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"The Obama campaign hasn't had success just on black America's terms but on white America's terms. For all the impact of Barack Obama's soaring rhetoric, he wouldn't be where he is without a campaign organization that is second to none. He's the one with more money and more offices. He's the one who made the better decisions about where to spend resources. Obama has won overwhelming support from black voters, but there's nothing stereotypically "black" about his campaign. It's as if a black American is beating white America at its own game."
-This is amazing when you consider less than a year ago (I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will correct me):
Talking heads wondering "Is Obama BLACK enough."
Some people were wondering if it were O.K. to vote for Barack Obama (he's BLACK, oh, he might get shot, does he have experience?).
I believe a lot of people thought Barack Obama was a novelty...until he started winning.
Stay tuned...
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You know, I used to think that we were the best at producing world class bullshit. Now I think we're better at stupid.
Jeebus wept, they can not be serious.
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You forgot Muslim terrorist sleeper and of course who can forget Cult Leader.
I like going to TalkLeft and MyDD because they are seemingly the only places where large groups of Hillary supporters are still vocal about their candidate. Their consensus? Barack Obama has had it too easy. Oh really?
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“Our Negroes failed—which reflects on us. Their n*gger's succeeding—Grrrrrr!
The willingness to parrot back not only the beliefs of others (proving a lack of desire to think for one's self) and fully embrace a community that shows them nothing but contempt is the OPPOSITE of Barack Obama and it's driving them kuh-ray-zee!
And sweet link to the News Blog, I remember when it was first posted. I think I sent my fellow Scorp Steve a thank you note for the great post on my bday.
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"You forgot Muslim terrorist sleeper and of course who can forget Cult Leader."
wengler
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Again; this is not rocket science.
Barack Obama is not a Messiah, but IF the Darkie-Mensa's ( :o), with some honky help...:o) ) can get him to Denver with enough of a delegate cushion to make it impossible for Clinton and the party hacks to use floor-fight-fuckery to rip off the nomination, then he will be the candidate LEAST beholden to the power elite of this counry, in many, many, elections.
And that scares the living shit out of the status-quo protectors. :o)
Which is why they are starting to fear-pimp this nonsense about the black brainiacs, holding their OWN little secret power-klatsch.
(Presumably, in the Great PeeDee Swamp of South Carolina...
I go now, to look for them. Maybe they'll tolerate a token cracker. :o) )
I mean, it IS getting crazy, isn't it? :o)
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I went to a segregated* middle school
where I was the only black student in all of my classes.
The teachers there hated me not because I was black but because I was smarter than all the other kids.
My bitch of an 8th grade math teacher hated me the most. One day Mrs. Lustgarten (and no the image of this woman did not match her name) introduced some new concepts which I picked up easily. When she gave the class examples to work on I finished my work quickly before all the other students and my answers were always correct.
She couldn't stand that. She glared at me through the entire class. I finally got so tired of her glare I asked to go to the bathroom so I could get some peace.
After that class ended I found out from one of my friends that after she had excused me to go to the bathroom she told all the white students that I'd been cheating and that there was no way I could have figured the problems out that quickly.
From that point on I hated the shrivelled up bitch.
About a week later I forgot to throw away a note that I had been passing back and forth with a friend. In the note I talked about how much Mrs. Lustgarten hated me and I wished she was dead.
She found the note, said I was a terrorist and tried to have me kicked out of school.
Lucky for me I got to see the only non-racist Vice Principal in the school on this and since I had absolutely no record of problems in school I got a single afternoon of detention.
The 3 years I spent in that school were arguably the worst 3 years of my life. I had to constantly deal with teachers and students who hated my guts all because I had the nerve to be smart.
Racism at it's worst isn't directed at black folks who are down and out but at those of us who are educated and capable and a real threat to the power structure.
The hate is strong enough that you have grown people directing their rage and frustration at a 13 year old child.
*By segregated I mean the school district bused our black butts to a white school district where we weren't wanted and the white folks kept things segregated by putting black students in separate classes.
And no this wasn't a long time ago.
All this shit happened to me in 1990.
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God, LM, I really just do love the shite outta you.
Keep calling it like you see it, cause we need to jump on those nasty ass bastards EVERY SINGLE TIME some stupid flotsam comes projectiling out of their idiot, racist mouths.
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"You forgot Muslim terrorist sleeper and of course who can forget Cult Leader."
Don't forget the "Rock Star" label too. Cuz, you know, them Negroes sure are good with music.
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bububu...but, LM, you forgot the first and second rule of Black Genius Club! 
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Making an aircraft material and ceramic afro-pick/Type 2 superconductor to bring home to Mama. -LoLo
You know I studied at the feet of the Father Of The Theory Of Superconductivity LoLo!! I can be of tremendous help to you with your invention - and I have a patent lawyer friend (who has a dual/secret identity as a Lower Eastside Gorilla Pimp) who can handle that end of the bidniz for us. All for a small slice from the big cheese stack you're certain to generate with this most peachy keen and superdooperific of innovative and masmoolah-generating ideas.
They hated me at Brown 'cause I was a smart little ghetto negro who shattered all of their racist illusions and preconceptions. Its as big an ego/body blow - a left hook cum narcissistic injury to the liver - as you're ever likely to experience in life, if you're a legacy rich kid at an Ivy League school and the Black kid sitting next to you in Organic Chem has a higher GPA, ACT and SAT. I used to carry the hard copies of my formal test results and final high school trancript around with me, just to fuck with them when they had the temerity to inquire as to how I had secured admission to the university (that is - when I wasn't simply knocking them the fuck out).
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1st RULE: You do not talk about BLACK GENIUS CLUB.
2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about BLACK GENIUS CLUB. - Lewis Latimer
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“2nd RULE: You DO NOT talk about BLACK GENIUS CLUB. - Lewis Latimer”
Terri, Doc Bop—thanks for making me hurt myself laughing. Owwwww! Thanks! 
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"It's almost as if they went to a camp where these black geniuses got together and figured out how to beat the political system."
Right across the lake from the camp for for future Jewish puppetmasters, IIRC. Upstate NY. Oh, how jealous little Jerry was that he couldn't get accepted there because he was only half Jewish. The pranks he missed ... the talent shows ... bonding with bunkmates about taking over America ... archery and waterskiing, damn it!
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truth on hope from an unlikely source
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y...h?
v=yZW0m2nWB_M
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I've always wished that they would have locked that moron up in Capone's vault.
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Geraldo Rivera isn't exactly the Anglo-named mouthpiece who one might imagine spewing this racist drivel.
BTW LM, we know that as a member of the "Club" your job has been to infiltrate Left Blogistan to throw us off the trail of truth. 
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I noticed how Geraldo referred to Duval Patrick as "the Black guy" who became governor of Mass. Have you ever heard of Mitt Romney referred to as "the White guy" who was gov of Mass?
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People can grow to the office.
Truman did. I think Kennedy did, some, too. And would have grown some more, I believe.
Obama is already showing the signs.
It's exciting to see it.
Which is why a lot of people are getting behind him. :o)
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cum-town
it's the moustache, right?
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I loooooove reading LM's continual beat-down of all the crazy shitbags who try to hide their racism under a bushel of verbal wordiage.
It's goddam X-mas everytime LM posts!
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Didn't Bill Clinton go to "Black Genius Camp" when he was younger?
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It's the Protocols of the Elders of Zion ...
with a Rastaman Vibration!
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"Didn't Bill Clinton go to "Black Genius Camp" when he was younger?"
nope, not his address!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J...h?
v=JAcN5iKArQU
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Here's a poem from Black Genius Camp. (drbopperthp, Terri & LM taught me.)
By Lewis H. Latimer
Ebon Venus
Let others boast of maidens fair,
Of eyes of blue and golden hair;
My heart like needles ever true
Turns to the maid of ebon hue.
I love her form of matchless grace,
The dark brown beauty of her face,
Her lips that speak of love's delight,
Her eyes that gleam as stars at night.
O'er marble Venus let them rage,
Who sets the fashions of the age;
Each to his taste, but as for me,
My Venus shall be ebony.
May I also respectfully recommend:
The Smithsonian -- Lewis Latimer: Renaissance Man
Rutgers -- Blueprint for Change: The Life and Times of Lewis H. Latimer
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They must know your provenance...
Says it all.
Like a singular antique, or some other important commodity of previously established significance, agreed upon by occult consensus.
Whats your pedigree?
Whats your place?
Obama has eluded and bypassed their pre-anointment rituals and that makes their heads spin. Pissant Total Sellout Geraldo Rivero in particular.
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Real Short GOP Policy Ref. Barack Obama:
"We gots us an uppity Negro, so we most destroy him."
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"What is fall-on-your-ass hilarious about the way the campaign season is shaping up is the full-on desperation of many on the right (and a few who purport to be on “The Left”) in their attempts to take down the presumptive front-runner, Sen. Barack Obama."
Hmm, LM, you wanna imply here that anybody who criticizes Obama can't be a real left winger? Isn't this quite counterintuitive, regarding the fact that polls show Obama to be more popular among independents and even republicans than Clinton? Hell, right now there's an op-ed in the NYT that calls him a "card-carrying libertarian"! Obviously, there's ample reason for liberals to be concerned about Obama's "unity" speeches, his pandering to the right, and the evidences in his carreer that show he's all to willing to abandon progressive positions by eagerly reaching across the aisle. Pointing this out isn't evidence that the critic is not a liberal, quite to the contrary.
Good points about racism and homophobia in the rest of your article, but this opening statement goes too far - and isn't backed up by any evidence in the rest of the story, btw.
:-/
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Gray -
You've missed the point of the article.
I'm not going to explain it to you. I'm going to sleep.
Enough. Consider this a Warning from the Blogging Gods.
Your behavior has earned you Strike One (explained below):
You are going off-topic, specifically, you are turning threads which are not about Clinton, into Clinton defenses and/or Clinton promotions.
Don't do that.
It's fine to talk about Senator Clinton when she is legitimately a subject of the thread. Key word, legitimately. That is not the case here. You had to strrrretch to make her fit. Don't argue. It was a stretch.
Why do I say it was a stretch? Because of all the comments before you, and because I read the post itself. If this had been an attack on Hillary Clinton, I of all people on GNB, would have noticed. *laughs*
Strike One.
Stike Two gets you bounced for a week.
Arguing a Bloggers call of a Strike, will probably get you a Called Strike.
You're not the first person who's had this happen, by the way; you're not being singled out. I just happened to be in position to see this.
And yes, I know you've been here since The News Blog days. This applies to everyone. You folks are smart. We shouldn't have to send many people off the field to clean up the game.
Goodnight.
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"You are going off-topic, specifically, you are turning threads which are not about Clinton, into Clinton defenses and/or Clinton promotions."
I'm commenting on LM's article. I cited the quote. If anybody unnecessarily inserted an Obama/Clinton controvery here, it's the author.
"You're not the first person who's had this happen, by the way; you're not being singled out. I just happened to be in position to see this."
With all due respect and restraint, Doc, but you must have read lots of "inadequate" (by your rules) comments here recently (the overwhelming majority not from me!), and you never really acted on them, even in cases of blatant Ad-Hominem attacks and insulting name-calling. You say you don't want to single me out, fine, so pls show that this is true by recording some "Strike One"s for the serious offenders here.
Generally, I will apologize if I went to far or violated the rules, but not for my comment above. It was on topic, commenting on LM unnecessarily and deliberately hitting on Obama critics. Imho I was totally within your own rules.
I would very much appreciate it if you would review this incident tomorrow, with a fresh mind, pls. Good night.
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LM, it's not just blackness being smart that unnerves certain people. As a guy who has spent most of the last 33 years on construction sites and who {intentionally} often looks scruffy and sometimes just filthy, when I reply to the inquiries of developers or clients {many of these folks have famous names, some very well educated, I work for the elite} there are a percentage who are shocked by my vocabulary and explication in two languages and they really need to know just what the hell I am doing on a job site. I feel in my case they are alarmed that an above average intelligence would choose a low status existence and it unnerves them. Being very white I am aware that the dynamic of a black person in the workplace in the US is a different construct {the one you describe} but I can very much relate to the patronizing and the iconoclastic effect of not conforming to stereotype. Plus, my kids come in all colors, speak more languages than I do, have much wider international experience and schooling advancement and they report back to me all the time {but not from jobsites!}. The darker ones confirm what you say, but in fact we all laugh and laugh about the world of privileged jerks.
Maybe we are finally getting to the last days of The Privilege Club and the Merit Club will take over soon.
I consider myself to be far more intelligent than most persons, but far less intelligent and accomplished than other millions of persons on Earth. As to accomplishment, mine are modest and when I see a person like Obama with his schooling, grades, leadership abilities and people talents, here is a person that I wouldn't remotely consider my peer. Yes, he, like others of all races, are the super people that make the rest of us feel humble.
I can't for the life of me figure out why one might vote against that guy unless you thought Hillary or McCain was more capable. Hillary, maybe an argument could be made, but after seeing her campaign screwups, I have my doubts.
McCain? I don't think so.
I hope Obama wins and I hope the creepy people all have cerebral hemorrhages as the election results come in.
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Jesse, on second thought, I want to make a suggestion. I hope it's not inappropiate to do so. How about "Strike"s to be supported by at least one other blogger here before going on the record? I have very much confidence in the ability of the GNB bloggers to make a fair judgment. It's just that every issue may have two sides, so hearing a second opinion before implementing draconian measures would be a good idea and more fair on us commenters. Just an idea.
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Gray -
No. No to both.
People have become confused whose living room this is.
It's mine, Hubris's, LM's, and Sara's.
I am not trying to be bad with you. We absolutely won't catch every one doing this, that or the other thing here and there. But we'll catch enough people over time. Not to worry. The craziness that has been going on is going to come to a halt. It's not you personally, Gray. It's the primaries; everyone is a bit crazy. Don't sweat it.
I just happened to see you, this time, and I don't have any question about it.
Really. It's a clean call. Arguing isn't going to get you anywhere but a called second strike.
Just take it easy with rushing to defend or promote Hillary. Give it a rest. It's getting on my nerves and frankly, it isn't winning you any friends. Pick your battles. Wait for your moment. This wasn't one of them.
I had this same precise conversation with tanbark about four months ago? Something like that. Then I bounced him and he was gone for about two weeks. Everyone was yelling at me.
I just don't care. I've raised four children, and the first rule at my house is, "If Dad's not happy, nobody's happy."
Guess what... if I call a strike, it's a strike. If Sara or LM or Hubris calls a strike, it's a strike, that's it.
Things have got more than a bit out of hand with the primaries making everyone nutty, good people sniping at each other. We've forgotten who the enemy is.
I didn't single you out for any particular reason, other than I saw this action go down and flagged the play.
Now people know, don't push their political agendas over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, outside of the appropriate threads. That's a good call on my part; it teaches everyone, as well as stops a problem. And it's only a first strike -- it isn't like I benched you for a week. Change your behavior and you're good.
I have to get some rest; have a meeting to get up for in less than four hours.
You take care Gray. You're a valued member of the GNB community.
Goodnight.
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They've also tried to stick Chicago Machine hack on him.
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"Arguing isn't going to get you anywhere but a called second strike."
So be it. I can be damn stubborn when unfairness happens. Most of the time when it's about other people being treated unfairly, but I'm not above defending myself, too, when it's necessary.
So, I continue with my defense:
Maybe there is a misunderstanding about who LM is talking about when writing "(and a few who purport to be on “The Left”)". But he made the target of that remark very clear in a following sentence, which links to a column at "The Nation":
"Simultaneously, Barack Obama is being slammed as...
...a milquetoast moderate sellout..."
Well, and there he links to an article by Ari Berman. Now, the Nation certainly IS a left wing publication, and not simply one that purports to be on "The Left". And Ari Berman firstly never called Obama "a milquestoast", secondly he mentions "sellout" only in the opening question ("IS OBAMA A SHREWD PROGRESSIVE OR A SELLOUT?") and thirdly, look at the leist of Berman's other stories, he certainly is a real liberal, just one who criticizes both Clinton and Obama:
http://www.thenation.com/directo...bios/
ari_berman
So, imho, LM DID raise the topic of left wing criticism of Obama, not only in a single sentence, but by citing alleged evidences, BEFORE coming to the main topic of his article. Now, sry, but I really can't understand why it shouldn't be allowed to comment on this point. If the author raised the issue, weighing in on it is fair game, imho.
Next point, me allegedly having "to strrrretch" to fit Clinton in. Well, I didn't "fit" her in, I mentioned her passingly, when I asked "Isn't this quite counterintuitive, regarding the fact that polls show Obama to be more popular among independents and even republicans than Clinton?". Certainly not the main topic of MY comment, which focussed on reasonable concerns liberals may have about Obama, contrary to what LM stated. Secondly, Clinton's name also turns up in LM's story in that Eugene Robinson quote. Thirdly, and most important, at least two other commenters mentioned the Clintons deliberately, before me. You say you don't single me out, but excuse me pls, did those other commenters totally escape your attention?
In your latest response, you wrote "If Sara or LM or Hubris calls a strike, it's a strike, that's it.". Well, I would really like one of the others, especially LM to weigh in. After all, he is in the best position to judge if I was on topic and if there was something wrong with my criticism. Sry, Doc, no offense intended, but you're not King Salomon, and I really think it would be fair and a good idea to hear a second opinion.
If this will result in me getting banned, ok. It's your blog. I understand you will go after others, too, who violate the rules, and I'm looking forward to see you doing this.
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"You're a valued member of the GNB community."
Thx, that's flattering, Doc, I appreciate this. It's just that I really don't know what to write here anymore when my comments receive an amount of scrutiny that I don't see used against any other commenter here. I try hard to stay by the rules, but this increasingly looks like a Kafkeask endeavor to me...
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Hell, right now there's an op-ed in the NYT that calls him a "card-carrying libertarian"!
You mis-quoted -- the title of the op-ed is A Card-Carrying Civil Libertarian. That means something very different in the American political context.
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"Kafkaesque" is the right word.
LM is wonderfully capable of deciding when a post is "off topic" or inappropriate, or crosses whatever line there is. And especially so, on HIS damn thread.
I disagree with Gray on the best candidate, and there are damn sure more than "a few", Clinton supporters ready, willing, and eager, to go off on Obama and his supporters, or to ignore her campaign's RoveSmears on him, but threatening to ban him for those innocuous comments is just plain stupid.
Is LM offended by them? Why hasn't HE, the author of this thread, given Gray a warning?
Jesse, if you want to spay and neuter the dialogue on your own threads, then go for it, but jumping into someone else's like this, is bizarre.
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Gray...
I really think you missed the boat, leaped from the dock and landed in a painful belly-flop in the water on this post.
“Hmm, LM, you wanna imply here that anybody who criticizes Obama can't be a real left winger?”
I NEVER said that, and NEVER implied it. Paul Krugman has criticized Obama and I most certainly do not consider him a right-winger—he's a gift to the Left. Markos has criticized him several times for some iffy stances and allegiances (see Joe Lieberman and an MIA or two on some semi-important votes) and I wouldn't say the same thing about him either.
Those few I'm noting—without naming names because I'm not about intramural pissing matches—are yes...a few, and what I cited about them is the scattershot desperation in their attacks. He's simultaneously a winger-in-disguise, then he's Bobby Seale hangin' with bomb-tossers. He's an idiot naif—then he's a crafty camper from “Camp Black Powah”. Crackhead one second—annoying Jesus-man the next. Maybe it's just me—but I find that kind of all-over-the-place screeching funny as fuck.
Criticism on the merits is damned well and fine. The “throw all manner of shit against the wall—even if it's shown to be contradictory based on a statement made a day before” is gonna be called on it's ridiculousness, and should be.
The critics I was hitting on are the ones who have resorted to that contradictory-at-every-turn, random shit-flinging. It is..laughable—regardless of who's doing it.
I NEVER said “anybody who criticizes Obama can't be a real left winger? ”. You said that. You pulled that from someplace other than my post. This post was about the nuttiness of the “Black Genius Camp” denigration, and how it springs from a new level of desperation to take down the presumptive front-runner,
I'm mocking those wingnuts and iffy DLC-types who've bought into that embarrassing bit of “strategy”. That's all there is to it.
If you choose to bring anything else to it—well...that's on you.
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My stupid two cents worth about Gray and Jesse: Jesse is tired and not using the best judgement. I can't find anything so alarming about what Gray says.
Maybe I need to get a warning too.
Monitoring is necessary to keep the comments civil and useful. I have stopped ever reading the comments at some other places because they are stupid, grossly off topic, confused or seem to be overheard remarks from a rural alcohol depot, noted, desanitized, and sent in to the blog.
That doesn't happen here and I thank Jesse for that. But perhaps he ought to give Gray a little more rope. He'll eventually hang himself if he is so inclined.
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Dang, I just missed seeing what LM had to say by one comment, but still, Gray seems harmless enough to be ignored, no?
That's rhetorical. No need to waste time replying, anyone.
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LM, fantastic post!! 
Geraldo Rivera should be fired. But, it IS fox news and they are "The Defender" network given their head honcho's ties and all. Regardless, this talking point was introduced by the one candidate to try to take down the other. And, so they keep it alive any way they can. That's the thing with these ridiculous premises.... they spawn even more hidious nonsense to defend the ridiculous.
geraldodo's words/thoughts are purely racist.
I will take exception to one thing in Eugene's statement that you posted there, as a woman.... an independent woman.
-- just as Hillary Clinton has blown some old sexist assumptions to smithereens.
Um. No.She.Has.Not. As evidenced here by forwarding the ridiculous slap fightery that spawned geraldo's insane notion. No. I don't think anyone's going to accuse hillary of attending "white womens' genius camp". :-|
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Veering wildly, wildly off topic to an opportunity for action.
Tomorrow, MoveOn is hosting calling parties to reach Dem primary voters in Texas.
You can find your nearest party (search by zip code)* here:
http://political.moveon.org/even...t/callforobama/
If you're on the 'O' train, have a cell phone and an hour or so -- this is your chance to make a difference.
* sorry, overseas dems.
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"You mis-quoted -- the title of the op-ed is A Card-Carrying Civil Libertarian."
Yup, sry, you're right. I should have cut-and-pasted this instead of quoting from memory!
:-(
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"I NEVER said that, and NEVER implied it."
That's why I asked this, to get some explanation for this strange statement.
"I'm mocking those wingnuts and iffy DLC-types who've bought into that embarrassing bit of “strategy”. That's all there is to it."
Uh huh. So, Ari Berman, who's writing for "The Nation", is a DLC-type? Thy for posting this info, I didn't know this. I'm not a fan of the DLC at all, and my criticism of this "leadership council" started even before I made up my mind that Marshal Whitman, a.k.a. The Bull Moose, must be the dumbest liberal around, but I wouldn't go so far as saying that everybody who's connected to the DLC is one of those who only "purport to be on “The Left”". Well, and I don't find anything in the Berman column you linked that supports your view that there is racism at work.
LM, thx for answering, but could you pls tell me why you linked Berman's story when it has no connection to your main topic???
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03.01.08 - 3:24 pm | #
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Tanbark, thx for weighing in. Very fair of you. I really appreciate this!

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03.01.08 - 3:25 pm | #
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No misunderstandign, pls, LM, but here's what you wrote:
"What is fall-on-your-ass hilarious about the way the campaign season is shaping up is the full-on desperation of many on the right (and a few who purport to be on “The Left”) in their attempts to take down the presumptive front-runner, Sen. Barack Obama."
And then you link to Ari Berman at "The Nation". Sry, but what shall I think of this? The reasonable conclusion is, Berman is one of those you address by saying "(and a few who purport to be on “The Left”)". His story has no connection whatever to your main topic (it's about Obama maybe being too centrist, instead), so this is the only explanation left. BUT, the long list of Berman columns shows, he is hardly a Hillary fan. Quite to the contrary, he posted a lot of stories very critical of Clinton. So, why did you link him? Imho this is evidence of a reflexive snapping at everybody who criticizes Obama, and I don't see why it should be inappropriate for me to point this out.
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03.01.08 - 4:51 pm | #
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Gray--if you're getting weary of the "assimilated" vibe here, may I suggest Shakesville?
[shakespearessister.blogspot.com]
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Simple really.
There are those who have taken the criticisms of a Berman who has been relatively fair, a Krugman_who has in my mind been less fair, but still a solid citizen, and the worst of what a place like Free Republic, NRO and Townhall have to offer and thrown ALL of those argumants against the wall in an all-out ack-ack effort to sink th epresumptive front-runner.
Berman isn't necessarily one of them—but his criticisms have been taken and warped by the scorched-earth worshippers on the “Left”, and it is those people whose allegiance I look askance at. I don't think I even hinted at Berman exhibiting any racism whatsoever. My point in using him was that the “moderate sellout” point he makes is being used in the scattershotting of the presumptive front-runner. You're mixing the prologue (which the Berman cite is part of) with the body of the piece.
As I don't link to nutbars be they on our side or on the right, I suggest you look around for ;em yourself. They'll turn up in short order.
That statement about the “few” I made was a small one within the grander scheme of what I wrote. You've fixated on it. I didn't. The main perpetrators of the talking-point windmilling is the right. The personality I pilloried for it is on...“the right”. My rundown at the top of the conflicting arguments are of the memes being flung all at once.
I believe we all know who the decent are among us_and who the batshit hyper-partisans are. I chose not to call them ALL out as the article's focus is on one person, and one particularly nasty theme being run down and its roots in a longstanding condescension towards people of color.
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03.01.08 - 5:41 pm | #
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As a Jew, I deeply resent that black geniuses now have their own secret meetings about how to take over the government. That's the job of the world Zionist conspiracy.
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Both my grandfathers were Masons. Maybe I should look into joining the family conspiracy? 
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03.01.08 - 6:01 pm | #
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desmoinesdem, good to see you here!
don't worry, BGC's got honorary members too 
Terri in Tokyo |
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03.01.08 - 6:06 pm | #
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IBW -- don't bother with the middlemen... join the REAL conspiracy -- the Ancient Illuminated Seers of Bavaria!
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Dang it, desmoinesdem: Ya beat me to it!
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03.02.08 - 12:30 pm | #
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Lets tell the truth there IS a black genius club it called Harvard.
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03.02.08 - 4:24 pm | #
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Kid Funkadelic! You totally stole my laugh line. I read through 55 posts hoping no one would have said it.
But mine went:
When a black man runs for president they call it a "black genius club."
When a white man runs, they call it Harvard.
Everything a black man does is always 10x more suspect when the black man does it. "Look! That black man is driving down the street. I bet he bought that Cadillac with his lazy mother's welfare checks!"
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03.02.08 - 8:57 pm | #
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Oh the irony of this coming from the author of "HisPANIC" a book decrying the exact same sort of racist fear-mongering he's participating in.
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03.02.08 - 10:06 pm | #
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Thanks for pointing this out.
I've seen this movie before; it was 1983 and the star was Harold Washington. Like Obama, Harold's opponents had the media. All Harold had was a ground game, catchy slogans and buttons (I still have mine) and a second to none voter registration drive. Even at that it was, like Wellington said after Waterloo, a "damned close-run thing." Attention, as they say, must be paid.
PS: BGC starts early: http://www.bbhmss.org/
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what amazese me is that thsi she is comeign from halraldo...we get this same shit alot....but there aer two groups of hispanics, those of us that relise that the right will strign us up and gut us as soon as they are donw with the blacks and the gays (hey irish catholics, your right after us...you too italians). and those liek halraldo who mistakenly think they are accepted as "whites"..imagration debate has shrunk teh number of halraldos in the world.
and i do mean we get the exact same shit...at one company I was known as tokin untill the blakc guy started workign there.
i got the same shit at my school baltogeek (we had a larger minority mix, but I was one of two nonasian minority types in the honors program), but im not sure if its a case of being diffrent and smart, or if some teachers just hate you because you are smarter then them...i at least had soem very good teachers to offset the bad.
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03.03.08 - 7:32 am | #
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LM, you are in fine form as usual. We are finding out who are the ones that sleep under rocks.
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Well said, grasshopper. I have been living with those thoughts for much of my life. It has always been disquieting when I would be singled out for having such solid opinions, positions,or objective reasoning, to carry the argument beyond bone headed reasoning. There was always a shock factor it was coming from a "black" person. Then the isolation would begin... I was dangerous for knowing right from wrong. My last give? I compared Bushco to fascist, 4 1/2 years ago.
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LM-
I read Group News Blog faithfully but rarely comment. I've enjoyed your posts, perhaps, more than most. This one is spot on. I miss Steve Gilliard and his writing so very much, but your posts and point of view have made our loss a bit more bearable. Thank you.
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nice cartoon
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
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the littlest gator |
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03.04.08 - 1:39 am | #
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EXCELLENT article. I'll have to re-evaluate the opinions I've held regarding Mr. Rivera for quite some time.
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