holy shit! you serious??? ok, well gee- I wonder what folks are using to kill our soldiers?!
I loved richardson's view at the Kos Leadership forum. OUT NOW, no timetables, no 9 point plans.
a one point plan
get us out now.
The dims in office voted 100% for Petraeus and before he had barely gotten his boots on the ground pronounced his plan a failure.
Why?
Well, we all know why. It is because if this war is prosecuted successfully, then it would make Bush look good. And if there is one thing that cannot be allowed, it is for Bush to look good.
So, they hide any scrotal appendages they have and vote to fund a war they want lost. Now, tell me who is killing our kids? Bush, or the dims who vote for ending the war they don't believe in....later.
They live in fear that if the surge works they lose in 2008 on every level. They want loss. They need loss. And dead Americans only sweeten their pot.
What a horrible position to be in.
This is just more of the same....how many TONS of military grade HE was "looted"...how many iraq troops where allowed to run with full gear during the invasion.
This invasion was never abotu securing iraq, or creating democracy in the middle east this was allways about spreadign chaos in the middle east....
That's more AK's than we have boots on the ground, is it not? Oh yeah, we're winning.
Not.
oh, and it anit just ak's we are talkign full kit hear...body armor as well...thye can outfit an infantry that is as well equiped as our own.....
::snorts:: Love the YT clip.
An act of genetic kindness, to be tossing those AK's into the Mesopotamian vortex.
What's an Iraqi without an assault rifle?
Or, to put it another way:
"Mr. President, you know, if you break it, you're going to own it." :o)
Jim, not sure WHERE you're coming from, but the thing we wanted and needed most, five years ago, and still want, is truth.
And that means, that the people who shit the bed, have to take the RESPONSIBILITY for shitting it, and for helping us crawl out of it.
Notice, I didn't say they have the responsibility for cleaning it up.
That's not possible.
And, since you accuse us of wanting to see failure in Iraq, can YOU take a bit of bandwidth to explain how we're going to achieve success?
BTW, if it sounds like a crock of bloody bushCo bullshit (and it will) i WILL point that out.
Actually, Jim, re-reading your post, where you excoriate us for wanting and needing dead troops, but have not a syllable to say about the people who bullshitted us into the war in which they're dying, DOES tell me where you're coming from.
You've just left Karl Rove's Koolaid-and-Snakeoil saloon, and are reeling around, drunkenly posting insane, it's-you-guys-fault, for-saying-we-told-you-so,
bullshit.
Another indication of your wise sobriety:
"What a horrible position to be in."
As opposed to being in the position of one of the creators, or one of the supporters of, the clusterfuck-in-the-desert?
Are you saying that the petro-borgs steadily losing their minds as they try to deny the reality of what they've created, is a "good position" to be in?
I'm sorry. I prefer the horror of:
"Here; look at the caskets coming into Dover...and that $2.5 billion a week.
And the hell-on-earth that we've made of Iraq. Where's the fucking cakewalk?"
In fact, I might as well 'fess up:
It aint horrible at all. It's a bittersweet joy, to rub your fucking nose in it, and watch you eat it.
And to contemplate the 15 months (at least!) of scarfing, that you've got left.
At this point I want Bush supporters to be tattooed with an appropriate symbol on thier face. Nothing garish mind you but enough to let people know that these are deluded Republican freaks without the good sense God gave a buffaloe.
I hear what you're sayin', but I dunno that you can just pin this one on Petraeus. I'm gonna take it for granted that you've already read Fiasco, and the thing I keep comin' back to is that from the moment Wolfie told Congress that Shinseki's estimates were wild overestimations (or perhaps from the moment that statement was taken seriously), every effort to secure the country was doomed. We're short at least 200k troops to do the job, there's just no gettin' around that and I don't know that any general on the ground in Iraq right now can be faulted for that.
Just sayin'.
Now that Betrayus (as I've heard some of his ponyos in the military are calling him) has taken on the job of chief goalpost mover and time-elasticizer (in exchange for...another star?...A post-retirement board position with Bechtel?)...we can look for an "assessment" in September that will be 10% reality, and 90% Mary-Poppins-does-Baghdad.
George Bush and his catastrophic petro-posse have one longed-for thing, and one thing only, on their radar screen, these days:
Making it to the Washington, D.C. bus station to catch that November, 2008 graydog. (attendant, will be the satisfaction of exiting the porticoed white building at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, which by then will be one giant, flaming, bag-of-shit for the attentions of their successor.)
Any field-grade officer NOT willing to help them make that Long March, or, to at least, STFU about it, is either going to be urged to retire, or sent to shuffle papers in Ft. Bumfuck, Arizona.
Happily enough, the idea of government "by, for, and of the people" is not un-attractive to a substantial and growing part of our military; and we can hopefully look for more of them to be saying things like:
"Our military was never designed to be an army of occupation, spending years of blood and treasure, trying to suppress the most persistent , fractious, and deadly insurgent movement in history, and without the slightest indication that any end is in sight.
And it was never designed to do this, to try cover the collective asses of george bush and the republican party, for the worst foreign policy decision in the history of the country.
We need to get out of Dodge, and let the inhabitants decide if having a civil war even bloodier than the one which george bush has already created there, will be more satisfying to them than trying to find some common ground that will let them live in relative peace with each other.
This will entail (among other things) foregoing all claims on their oil, and it will entail the high probability that Iran will come out of this with enhanced power and influence in the region.
Hey! You can't unscramble a bloody, corporate-snakeoil-flavored omellete without breaking a few eggs, right?
So. We urge americans to weigh all the factors:
The non-existent tons of WMD's...
The non-existent yellow-cake posse...
The non-existent Al Queada camps...
The non-existent "Grand Square in Baghdad named after george bush..."
(One of the saddest evaporations, but let's give Richard Perle an "E" for effort, for speaking it on September 22nd, 2003. :o) )
The non-existent "war that will pay for itself". (Another big hat-tip, to Paul Wolfowitz!)
The premature ejaculation of "Mission Accomplished"...
The discovery (after all of the above had evaporated) that the "human rights" pea was actually under the RIGHT-HAND walnut shell, and that's what the bush administration REALLY, REALLY, meant, when they were pimping their war to the american people and the world.
So... We in the military urge all americans of age, to make the best-informed and most judicious choices, and then to get out and vote.
(Don't forget to ask for a paper trail! :o) )
Chiggins, I'm not pinning the shittaree on Petraeus.
Just that he's volunteed to try to spin it, to try to give bush time to dump it in the democrats laps.
Well, Petraeus had to supply weapons to all and sundry because The Surge (TM) would have been jolly unfair otherwise! Not.on.at.all!! The Television wallahs need some good shots for the womenfolk at home.
neck deep in the big muddy?
how much play is this story getting in the MSM?
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondead...t-poll-
sho.html
http://www.breitbart.com/article...&
show_article=1
For those of you who may have missed it, here's the story from the Washington Post:
http://tinyurl.com/ys4dcc
Yeah, "Probably *some* of these missing weapons are being used against us. Now, please excuse me while I get back to my talking mule and magic beans for some more war planning."
Un-fucking-believable...
jim your attempts at makeign a point fail....so 33% in one poll shows support for the war...sme poll ~60% fell its a mistake...yup america is behind this war...your second post is just mroe short temr thinking...the surge is unsistanable, the militants go to ground adn pop back up after the surge...no net gain in the long run...(then again not many have gone to ground, our military gains are illusionary)
Bosnian war surplus AK-47's shipped on Victor Bout's airfreight operations. Some of the AKs probably ended up in Iraq more of them in Somalia and Sudan. You would think that if the USA has to supply weapons to the Iraqi military, they could at least supply weapons made in the USA and sold at a profit. These:
http://www.barrettrifles.com/rif...m/
rifle_82.aspx would be appropriate.
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