It would be great if GNb had an e-mail function that could be used to easily send the blog posts. This one is worth mailing to my fence-sitting relatives (I'm embarrassed to admit there are such people in my immediate family).
I already signed the petition.
this is we attackin palin is relivant, we must not ignore her...we need to make sure the populace at large understands taht electign McCain president is electing Palin president..he wont last a year.
This really points to the colossal arrogance and irresponsibility of McCain. He wants the presidency despite the fact that he will serve more than a few years, and then saddle the nation and the world with an incredibly incompetent successor. It's the ultimate "I got mine, f*** you" to the country.
But...Obamas' experience is?
Paul:
You have a point about Obama's lack of experience, but he's a very smart man. Mrs. Palin in her ABC interview revealed herself to be abysmally unqualified. And I'm not comparing her to George W. Bush or J. Danforth Quayle the Second, Third, Fourth, or whatever the hell number he is. Quayle was and W. is not very bright, intellectually lazy, and woefully inarticulate. Mrs. Palin simply should not occupy such an office. How she is even Governor of Alaska really makes me wonder about that state. The fact that Mrs. Palin appears to be a Dominionist fanatic also makes me think that she would makes us pine for the good ol' days of W. the W. made us pine for the good ol' days of Ronald Reagan.
Before now, I was only going to vote for Obama and the Democrats despite Obama's betrayal (and I would dare call it treasonous betrayal because I am very anti-police-state) for the sake of my 76-year-old mother who is very heavily emotionally invested in this race. But now I'm starting to think that holding my nose while filling in the arrow pointing to DEMOCRAT on the ballot is something I simply should do in and of itself.
And this is coming from somebody who has mondo-seriously had his fill of voting for the "lesser of two evils". Though I fear that also means Mrs. Palin will end up in the Oval office, because every time I have voted for the lesser of two evils in the presidential race, the lesser evil for whom I voted lost. (Not counting Bill Clinton, but he ousted the incumbent because of Perot's spoiler role.) Sure, two of those times, electoral chicanery had a lot to do with the Republican "victory", but the Dems are also complicit there for meekly submitting to the bogus results.
corrections (I really should do a better job of proof-reading):
that she would makes us pine for the good ol' days of W. the way W. made us pine for the good ol' days of Ronald Reagan.
despite Obama's betrayal (and I would dare call it treasonous betrayal because I am very anti-police-state) in voting for the infamous "spy-bill",
loveandlight - a well thought out answer sir, and thus one I can respect.
I think the implicit belief that McCain will die in office should he get elected is the reason behind the wildly enthusiastic wingnut response to Palin.
"But...Obamas' experience is?"
3 years as a successful community organizer, over a decade as a Constitutional Law professor, 8 years in the Illinois State Senate (including chairmanship of their Health & Human Services Committee), and 4 years in the U.S. Senate, where he has sponsored almost a gross of bills and worked with Dick Lugar on containing the danger of loose nukes.
" I think the implicit belief that McCain will die in office should he get elected is the reason behind the wildly enthusiastic wingnut response to Palin."
I strongly suspect this myself. Wonder if any of them would take it upon themselves to help McCain along his way if he does get elected.
"I strongly suspect this myself. Wonder if any of them would take it upon themselves to help McCain along his way if he does get elected."
I've idly wondered this myself. If he ends up in the White House, perhaps McShame should hire a food tester.
I strongly suspect this myself. Wonder if any of them would take it upon themselves to help McCain along his way if he does get elected.
They are certainly capable of it, but any wingnut doing so would probably be a lone deranged wingnut. If it turned out such an attempt on McCain's life were the will of the Domninionist Right, their PR-disaster would be worse than Ozzy Osbourne's when he bit the head off a live bat during a concert back in the '80's.
Whenever someone pops the "what's Obama's experience" question, I'm reminded of the old, old story about the pious churchgoer who found himself sitting on his house roof in the middle of a violent flood. He knew God would save him, however. So when a neighbor came by in a rowboat, the man said, "No, no, God will save me." Then a National Guard rescue boat came by, and later a helicopter, but always the man said, "No, no, God will save me."
Finally the house broke apart, the man fell into the water and drowned. He pushed past St. Peter at the Gates and marched straight up the Throne where God sat. "I believed in You, I served You," he shouted, "and I stuck to my faith that You would save me from that flood! Why didn't You save me?"
And God replied, "What are you talking about? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!"
When I consider all that Obama has accomplished in his life thus far, and the vision he both promotes and embodies, I think, This guy and his team are two boats and a helicopter. What in the name of all blood are the skeptics waiting for?
Srsly.
What in the name of all blood are the skeptics waiting for?
It is probably because of concerns about his lack of foreign-policy experience that Obama chose a hawk such as Joe Biden to be his running-mate.
So for what indeed are the skeptics you mentioned waiting? You would think that the distastefulness of this choice of VP to quasi-leftists such as yours truly would be a plus to the pragmatism-pretenders.
I lost a good friend two years ago to melanoma..at age 44. She had two lesions removed several years earlier, the next symptom was severe back pain that was diagnosed as stage four melanoma on her spine. She died five months later.
Aside from his lack of honor and desperate ambition, McCain is not fit for the presidency. His crude ruse with his medical records is more of a red flag than not. What is he hiding??
Evil
Most of the words in your screed are misspelled, nitwit. Typical.
Evil
During his tenure in the Illinois State Senate, he fostered a compromise between law enforcement and the ACLU, something no one else had been able to do. Thus, the first laws in the US to mandate videotaping of police interrogations and the recording of race during stops and arrests to keep an eye on racial profiling became Illinois law. All other states to mandate this come from Obama's effort.
Obama has a talent for co-operation and compromise not shown by Bush/McCain/Palin. He is head and shoulders above anyone the Republicans can field.
Babies that survive abortion are a wing nut fantasy. Every time there has been an investigation of such a story it has proven bogus. The law was merely another way for people who want to control my body to try to make a fetus a legal entity to be able to use it to entrap me and limit my choices which are none of your business.
"worked with Dick Lugar on containing the danger of loose nukes.
Should have been involved in containing loose kooks like those here."
So, you have no problem with terrorists getting nukes, but you'd happily shred the constitution and turn this country into a totalitarian nightmare. That would explain why you support the Republicans (and apparently hate America, to boot).
Better trolls, please!
Should have been involved in containing loose kooks like those here.
Good one. No. Really. I'm, like, impressed and stuff. Seriously, though, I really do worry that the sheer idiocy of our trolls makes us a tad complacent about our political discussion skills around here. I wonder how long it will before this latest one starts trampling on Godwin's Law thinking they're actually scoring points?
Or is it just that Palin is a good looking woman you can't have?
Kindly refrain from assuming that we're as shallow as you are.
I'm actually starting to miss serr8ed, believe it or not.
I really wonder if the kicker in McCain's hidden medical records is (possibly severe) PTSD, or some other form of mental instability (or for that matter, substance abuse/self-medication to alleviate said condition(s)). Everyone knows he's had melanoma, and a pretty serious bout of it, whatever the exact details.
Of course, he may be hiding the fact that it's no longer in remission. Or something else entirely. Or all of the above.
Actually, Obama seems to have been calling for better regulation of the financial sector for several years, now.
So evil, care to explain how Obama could've done anything with your fluffee Bush poised to veto anything good that did come across his desk?
Oh, wait, you're a troll. You don't have to make sense or have any connection with reality. Must be nice.
Hey evil, care to comment on John McCain's refusal to release his encyclopedia-sized stack of health care records?
Evil
You are a shallow twit who has assumed something about my private life that is nowhere near the truth, simply to try to make your nonsensical point. Your woman-hatred shows.
A blastocyst is not a human being and you don't get to change the science to make it so. Please keep your religious, deranged, egomanaical desires off of my body.
All it takes is inputing "wiki barack obama" to refute all of your declarations--what is it about trolls that you seem incapable of looking up facts?
"Bush has no experience, but he will hire plenty of people with lots of experience around him. He just knows how to surround himself with competent guys. This is why he'll be a good preznit."
If this worked for GOPers back in 2000, why are they rising this about Obama?
"I think the implicit belief that McCain will die in office should he get elected is the reason behind the wildly enthusiastic wingnut response to Palin."
This is why they picked her, in fact. Not because being a VP nutjob will boost the fundie vote, but because the fundie would quickly understand that she *will* be president at some point during the next 4 years.
Shortly after the announcement, I posted somewherer that I wondered how well McCain was taking such a blatant bid on him not living to the end of his mandate, assuming it would piss him off a bit (and wondering how pityful he could be if he agreed to such a move).
Now in fact, I think it's clearer. He actually does know he won't make it to 2013. Therefore, he's ready to do anything to be elected. The sad truth is that it's worse than what we feared. McCain just doesn't give a damn about what will happen to the US and the whole world after he's dead. For all he knows, mankind can be wipe out in a nuclear exchange, it wouldn't matter to him since he'll have been president before that. His notion of long-term ends with his own death; after that, the world can go to Hell, he doesn't care.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he had the suspicion that the next president will be the last elected president to rule over a superpower, after that, it all goes to shit. And it might even please him to be remembered as "The last of the Americans" - like the last useless Roman Emperor is mentioned in history books, just because he's the last puppet before the barbarians totally took over the West, or like Pu Yi goes down in the memory as "The Last Emperor" of China.
I miss uncle meat.....
captin, Obama has a disticnt lack of experience in being white...taht is the hart of it for these trolls.
well that and a base antiintelitualism...
why yes I am tryign to kill irony why do you ask?
LCforevah...lets try to be fair here. every oen knows that facts and reality have a massive left wing bias...
"--what is it about trolls that you seem incapable of looking up facts?"
Besides the willful illiteracy and ignorance, they just wouldn't be able to troll if they let facts intrude.
Moonglum @ 11:13--I think you have it.
OT--
But not really....
Can't help but wonder how many folks, thanks to the 'hard work' of people like Mr. McCain and Mr. Bush, will never, ever be able to amass even one one hundredth of a thousand pages of medical files and/or who wait too long to have skin lesions looked at due to a lack of comprehensive health insurance.
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And even more OT, but not really either......
Have just invoked the 'Gilliard Doctrine' up in Canada regarding a truly progressive heath treatment program of our own that is in danger of sliding due the 'hard work' of folks up here who have a similar ideological bent as Messrs McCain and Bush et al.....
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moonglum,I love you. Please correct your.... oh well, nevermind.
Clueless, I just can't give the fundie base as much credit as you seem to be doing. I think that patriarchal followers tend to think that their leaders are invincible and practically immortal. I can't see that they would entertain a FEMALE leader for one minute. They just see that McCain is taking them more seriously than say, Bush himself who has done nothing but throw them an occasional bone.
As I have written on many other posts in the blogosphere, McCain is not taking into account his own mortality--he is in complete denial. This is a pivotal reason that he could bring himself to choose Palin, never expecting to have her survive him.
And do you see her capable of heading a coup? I'm sure the more reasonable around her would be able to forestall any such nonsense. She would have to know more about the workings of DC and I don't think that McCain and his operatives would ever give her that kind of access to information.
So evil, since you can't answer any of our questions, we can now safely assume:
*You want terrorists to get nukes.
*You want the constitution destroyed.
*You harbor a desire to be Bush's, and McCain's, fluffer.
*You've got nothing of substance to contribute. Enjoy those cheetos.
I bet this is the most fun evil's had, ever. >:^)>
Then why don't we ratchet up his fun quota and ban him/her/it? Evil isn't contributing anything here.
Trey--that would give him/her/it days of enjoyable mumblings into his/her/its cheeto bag.
Back to the subject--perhaps McCain has a history of social diseases that he doesn't want made public? Not necessarily the embarrassing ones like herpes, but something serious, like tertiary stage syphilis or perhaps one of the hep family. Perhaps the timing of said infection is also embarrassing, especially if he got it when he was nominally married to his first wife.
Why is McCain sending up a legal team to shut down Troopergate? What does Palin have to hide if she is innocent?
McCain looks more and more like Warren Harding everyday.
"Loveandlight sez: "...PR-disaster would be worse than Ozzy Osbourne's when he bit the head off a live bat during a concert back in the '80's."
Yeah, whatever happened to that guy anyway? :D
Listening to the maddow show, on the radio last night, it turns out that the investigation into Palin must publish its findings on Oct 31st, five days before the elections and this has the McCain campaign in panic mode.
Uh-oh, Evil is confusing "potential person" with "fully grown fullterm baby" like most fundies.
Better stop jerking off then, pal--you're wiping off nations of millions with your empty cheetos wrappers daily!
3 years as a successful community organizer,
Oh goody - working for ACORN filling our fraudulant forms and telling folks where to show up and portest...
evil
No...it was his first job out of college, working for an association of 7-8 Catholic parishes on Chicago's South and Southeast Sides, to help their parishoners (and anyone else who needed help) get jobs and services when US Steel's South Works steel plant closed.
It might boggle your tiny mind, dunce, but Obama's first job was...working for a faith-based initiative.
"....to sweep us into the White House with powers that will make martial law seem like anarchy."
- Angela Lansbury, The Manchurian Candidate
I have to point one thing out though. If you look at the serious, hard core, take-a-right-at-the-decimal-and-put-on-you-hiking-
boots , Dominionist, Patriocentric nut jobs, lead by Howard Phillip's son Doug they are all *not* voting for McCain/Palin. Because in their interpretation of the bible a woman is not supposed to ever have dominion over anything larger than her kitchen spoons. So Palin started offending them when she was mayor. They would all rather not vote or vote third party than, ahem, take part in bringing about God's Curse on the country.
If this election accomplishes nothing else, I have hope that it will at least put a rift between the hardest of the hard core and the rest of the Fundamentalists.
PTSD, for sure, late-stage cancer, almost certain ... public knowledge of either of which is possibly just enough to cost him the race.
The ongoing secrecy is itself enough of an issue to hurt him badly if handled the right way, IMO ... given the gravity of America's current economic troubles - & the jaw-dropping vacuousness & open extremism of Gov. Palin - that lack of honesty is brutal.
Then again, given the man's total lack of ethical consistency, what's to stop him from getting a new doctor (one the GOP has heavy dirt on), one who'll put out a set of "sanitized" records? They faked 2 national elections, & got away with it - how is faking one set of records beyond their abilities?
I wonder if the libertarian wing of the Republicans care about Palin as the VP or if they stop to consider McCain's health at all. I am hoping for a bleed-off of Republican votes for Bob Barr. Just enough percentage points to get Obama the necessary electoral votes.
True, it's not going to be as big as the Ross Perot effect was, but I don't see young 20-something libertarians voting for the Christianist ticket and speaking strictly from personal experience, the young male libertarians I know are little sexists.
Hey, ya'll, just got up after seven hours of sleep. Oops, troll. In spite of the holes this will leave, I'm now going to delete all the troll posts. You all did a great job of arguing, but even better is to GIVE THEM NOTHING. They are not worthy of a rebuttal and if ignored, settle to the bottom like all scum -- don't feed trolls. Ya'll are fine thinkers and can talk to one another in interesting conversation.
I see Evil is another one of those "puke and run" trolls that infests the IntarWebs.
Can we have a cleanup in aisle 5?
I'm still gobsmacked that McCain is obviously not well -- and the media is totally mum about it. When Tsongas was running in '92, they couldn't shut up about how he heroically overcame his cancer but that it might return at any time. And sure enough it killed him a couple years later.
But here's McCain, looking really, really bad, on our teevee every day, and reporters won't say "cancer". What in the hell is going on?
Permit to remind you people that John McCain's "medical records" are archived at the HANOI HILTON, where he spent five years as a PRISONER OF WAR.
Or maybe you didn't you didn't KNOW that. 
stickler
The media we have today is not even as good as what we had in '92, though it was pretty bad even then.
A broadcast "journalist" isn't in it to inform the public, he/she is in it to make big dollars, as this is a truly overpaid class of people. There is no thought of the public service issues that used to be so important in the era of Walter Cronkite.
I wonder how one makes the connection that being a prisoner of war would make one qualified for the presidency of the United States. If anything, given the physical disabilities which could compromise stamina, and the PTSD which could compromise mental and emotional competence, I would say that, however unfortunate, having been a POW would disqualify one from the most powerful position on the planet.
One other possible explanation of not wanting to show McClone's medical records is that rich Republicans really do have a cure for cancer that they aren't sharing with the rest of us.
Melanoma is THE deadliest of all cancers, having a 5% survival rate. How long ago did he have the first melanoma? anything past stage I and he has less than five years to live from then.
I guess my snark is getting rusty. 
I wouldn't be at all surprised that McCain is hiding Stage IV or V cancer, but I do need more information before I reach that conclusion. You wrote:
the news that he has had malignant melanoma, deep primaries with removal of lymph nodes
What is the source for this news? A quick search is only turning up denial that lymph nodes were involved. Please post a link.
I've also read that the 1500 pages he released in his earlier run were due to his being a part of various studies of veterans. That sounds a little bullshit--do the records of those tests go into the subject's medical records?--but if the answer is yes, the records could grow fast.
I just did a little more digging and found this article about the records released this May.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2...Cain-
Health.php
So what is the source of the complaint? Can you fill us in, for those of us who don't have time to watch the Brave New Films doc?
like the last useless Roman Emperor is mentioned in history books, just because he's the last puppet before the barbarians totally took over the West, or like Pu Yi goes down in the memory as "The Last Emperor" of China.
Actually the last Western Roman Emperor, Romulus Augustus, was, at least according to many historians, a usurper who was placed on the throne by his father, a Roman general who overthrew the last legitimate Roman Emperor, Julius Nepos. Interestingly enough, one historical source I read said that Odoacer, the barbarian chieftan who finally brought down the remnants of the Western Empire, spared Romulus Augustus because Romulus Augustus was a cute kid. (That Odoacer swung both ways, perhaps? Homosexuality really does bring down Western civilization then, I guess! ;-D)
Maggie: I kind of wish you'd left the troll posts -- they can be darkly amusing.
I'm late to this thread.
Yeah, I do think McCain is dead man walking. His 200 RNC speech seemed like an eloquent "good bye" to everyone. I don't think in 2000, after he'd been treated for melanoma, that he expected to be around in 2008.
That he picked Palin as his Veep just underscores his sense of unreality. Furthermore, he just gave an interview to the Spanish press where he clearly thought Spain was in Latin America.
Only the pathological will vote for McCain. Unfortunately, the US is quickly becoming the world's largest insane asylum.
Sorry, my bad, the name of the last Roman Emperor was Romulus Augustulus.
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I guess MY snark-o-meter is also rusty!
"Amy" is correct in that McCain's records WERE released and reviewed in May 2008 by a group of physicians at the Mayo Clinic.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/0...health.records/
What I find really worrying about Palin is her stoic refusal to even think about any sort of implications. That interview with Gibson should be scaring the shit of all of us. All she can do is blindly support whatever Bush (alright, Cheney) says, and that it must be done. She's angling for one of the highest positions in the country, and will not even consider a single consequence of the doctrines she espouses.
Why would John McCain pull a stunt like this? Because he thinks he's owed the presidency.
Look: if McCain were as chock-full of pride, integrity, and truth as he pretends to be, he would never have spoken to Bush again after the South Carolina primaries in 2000. What Bush did there was utterly dishonorable. Instead, McCain sulked for a while, then did a 180 and became the good little toe-the-line Bush supporter he never was before the 2000 race. It's an easy guess that Bush promised to back him for the 2008 race. At this very moment, McCain's organization is full of Bush's old people.
(If I were really speculating, I'd say the reason the Republicans have had Joe Lieberman on a string all these years was because he was promised the Vice-Presidency under McCain.)
Eight years of going down on his knees for Bush, Cheney, and their cronies must have irked the hell out of McCain. Whatever the truth of the matter, he'd put a lot of work into cultivating the appearance of integrity. Bush spent his reputation as recklessly as he spent Tony Blair's, Colin Powell's, and all the others. I can imagine McCain laboring to suppress his gag reflex while silently repeating his mantra to himself: "Shut up, go along with it, and you'll get to be president."
Then, after all those years of giving service, he discovered that he wasn't going to live long enough to collect his payoff. Such irony! Did he accept the news with resignation? Of course not. Are you kidding? McCain's a senator, the son and grandson of admirals, he's married to Arizona's answer to Meadow Soprano, and he's a major narcissist. He never takes a fall if he can make someone else take it for him. (In this case, I think it was Joe Lieberman.)
So, McCain firmly believes that he's got the presidency coming to him, and he's damned well going to see that he gets it -- no matter how much ruination it brings on the country he claims he loves.
McCain's last major melanoma incident was in 2000. He had a minor incident in 2002. It is now 2008. Reality is that if he made it to six years since the last recurrence of the cancer, he's probably in pretty good shape, most recurrences occur within the first five years. One doctor said that he figures that given no recurrence in 5 years, McCain has about a 10% chance of recurrence within the next 5 years.
My understanding is that lymph node removal was common in 2000 for Class II melanomas because they had not yet determined good ways to detect melanoma cells in lymph nodes at the time and were taking a "better safe than sorry" approach back then. Today they don't do that because of the side effects and because they have better ways to check lymph nodes for escaped melanoma cells. BTW, this is why McCain's face looks puffy on the left side, that's a side effect of the lymph node removal.
I do not believe that John McCain is a healthy man, but melanoma is the least of my worries. I'm more worried about the fact that he has shown far too many "senior moments" these past few months, giving rise to concerns about whether he is in early-stage Alzheimer's. The question of when a President is disabled, when talking about a disease such as Alzheimer's, is one that has never been medically or Constitutionally answered before. Indeed, when the current Constitutional provisions for Presidential succession were created, Alzheimer's wasn't even a recognized disease. To say that setting up the U.S. for a Constitutional crisis is not a good idea in these troubled times is an understatement of vast proportions.
- Badtux the Healthcare Penguin
I don't know how to regard his complete lack of knowledge of the Spanish PM Zapatero, but his not hearing or not understanding that the interviewer was asking about Spain and not some Latin American country seems to indicate that he is having trouble with comprehension and retention.
This man is long past the time where he could have been President. If McCain/Palin would become P and VP, who would really be running the country? McCain's crony lobbyists? McCain would be needing a lot of help getting through the day-to-day, and Palin is too ignorant to understand that she will be manipulated. Those around her will only let her know what they want her to know. She has no intellectual curiousity and her grasp of ethical behavior is nigh well nonexistent.
LC, I would not underestimate Sarah Barracuda. Yes, she is profoundly ignorant. But she is possessed of a feral intelligence that serves her well in these kinds of bureaucratic shenanigans. In my experience, her type spots immediately when they're being manipulated and are as good at manipulating the manipulators as vice-versa.
The core problem is that, as you state, her grasp of ethical behavior is well nigh nonexistent. For her, it's all about winning. She's the ultimate "Mean Girl", who will do anything to be on top. Sad to say, for some people that's exactly who they want as President...
- Badtux the Politics Penguin
Amy,
The problem is that it was not a detailed review.
http://
marcambinder.theatlantic....lth_records.php
Gives the details 3 hours to review the 1000+ page medical record. Which seems a bit, ah, brief for a record that's that long.
In short, he may have complied to the letter of a request, but not the spirit of it.
"Anyone who wants to be President, doesn't deserve it." George Washington
If Sarah Palin becomes POTUS, she'd be Baberaham Lincoln!
Thanks, Trey--that's what I'm looking for!
Is there some reason that people in this thread have been suggesting that McCain has PTSD? Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that he *did* fully release his medical records during his 2000 campaign -- which makes his handling of them in this campaign all the more striking, but if he'd had PTSD, we'd probably be aware of it.
I don't think that's a useful line of attack to press, since it resembles some of the South Carolina smears from 2000 and distracts from McCain's physical health and his apparently volatile personality, both of which are very legitimate and important issues, but don't necessarily have much to do with the trauma he suffered.
Badtux, I would normally agree with you, but "palace intrigue" always needs allies, and Palin is going in there all alone. She may see she's being manipulated and be unable to counteract it. At least, that's what I would hope.
I suggest another edit, regarding your sentence: "If he were to be elected, he'd have an almost 2 out of 3 chance of having a recurrence if he doesn't have one already."
The phrase "If he were to be elected" is extraneous and irrelevant. McCain has an almost 2 out of 3 chance of having a recurrence regardless of whether he is president or not. I take your point to be the man is going to die soon, so don't vote for him.
I agree.
I don't disagree that his health/the chance of Palin becoming Pres is cause for concern. It will play a part in my decision making process. However - there is no way I will sign a petition to force someone to divulge their medical history to be discriminated against for a job. If that's the case - we're setting ourselves up for the same thing. Do you want to be denied a job because you have a family history of XXX - or because you smoke - or because you once had a genital wart? The point is..That is a scary path to walk down.
Smarief, I'm not running for President of the United States. A President dying on the job has repercussions somewhat different than if some low-level blogger dies on the job.
- Badtux the Helpful Penguin
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