I imagine Chelsea is now calling around 48/7, in order Hillary gets through February.
how many faild firewals are the going t obuild
As she should be.
That's what the kids of politicians do. Help their moms and dads get elected.
No one had an issue with the Kerry young ladies, the Romney boys, or Mary Cheney (except the religious right who ignored her, and the liberal left who didn't know if they should cheer her on or expose the hypocrisies of her father.) But the fact of children supporting their parents in the campaign is unremarkable.
What is remarkable is when the kids are a drag on the campaign or screw up, e.g.: The Bush girls, who screwed up by the numbers, at least one of which was asked to leave a country, their are naked photos of at least one of them on the internet changing on a beach, and then let's not even talk about Carter's brother, or Jeb's kids.
The list of bad seeds is long and distinguished.
Yet Chelsea Clinton, by all accounts a good kid, did fine in school, following in her parents footsteps, never in trouble we've heard of, is being slammed around in the press in ways as a father I'd want more than someone fired, I'd want someone's fucking head on my desk.
I don't blame Senator Clinton one bit. This goes past politics. This is personal.
NOTE: Nothing in this comment should be construed as an endorsement of either Democratic candidate for president. It is a comment with facts and opinions about politics. I have not made up my mind, and GNB is not endorsing any candidate until there is a clear nominee. I intend to add this at least once per comment thread in political threads I comment in from now till we have a nominee.
I've no problem with the children of candidates doing their bit............ just that all of a sudden, Chelsea gets thrown into the mix, after having taken a decided back seat beforehand.
Desperation smells.
At least one reporter in Hawai'i eh? Sounds like a credible source. I'll put down Hawai'i as only Obama +20 then.
18 points? Maine was supposed to be 50/50.
That's a wrap.
Hawaii as firewall is crazy talk. So is arm twisting enough super delegates to seat MI and FL.
Obama has the time and money to bury her in Texas and Ohio.
Pam Spaulding at Pandagon got an email from someone working a Clinton boiler room. Fundraising is bleak.
I'll give Senator Clinton till 3/4 to fight the good fight. If the results continue to form she will then need to step off gracefully.
"it was all Solis Doyle's fault but we're on the right track now
Oooooooooh, blame the Latino like they kicked black folks to curb?
So much for their outreach to another group.
I love you Jesse Wendel!
I largely agree with you re. Chelsea Clinton, Jesse. The only hook I can think of for people to hang the mockery/tongue-clucking over Chelsea actively campaigning on is the fact that during Bill Clinton's Presidential terms, the White House had a clear "keep Chelsea the hell out of any stories or else" policy (as well they should have). It's a thin reed, though, and made all the thinner by the fact that she is now an adult making her own decisions and living her own life, while back then she was not.
I'm not sure Shuster's comment was that offensive-stupid, yes. He should not be deploying such clumsy and easily-attacked colloquialisms on TV news. But I don't think that I'd feel like firing him if I ran MSNBC-particularly since I've seen his very solid reporting before all of this.
If I was Clinton? Sure, I'd be screaming for his nuts to be served up in a martini. But that's a good thing to do for strategic reasons regardless.
Of course the Clintons should protect the reputation of their daughter. I just hope the protestations are not another way of exploiting the gender issue. On the other hand, all is fair in love and war. And this campaign is a form of warfare.
But Mr. Stoopid she was a child then, right now she is a mature adult who believes in what her parents do. I wonder why the fact that Giuliani's daughter voting for Obama did not get as much play.
I just truly wish that the democratic nominee really were against empire.
I'd want someone's fucking head on my desk.
I don't blame Senator Clinton one bit. This goes past politics. This is personal.
If you're talking about the infamous remark by David Shustser, I don't care if Hillary has him publicly impaled. I just think it's too bad that something like this requires that an offended party have that much clout, in order to make the bigmouthed asshole's life the hell it deserves to be.
That sort of casual misogyny in a national news venue ought to be predictably career-ending. Unfortunately, it's not.
MSNBC? It lives in the toilet it has made for itself. People who are reasonably fastidious about where their information comes from should not take the ravings of its sock-puppets as any sort of "news reporting".
And Mark Penn still has his job? Idiotic.
"I'm not sure Shuster's comment was that offensive-stupid, yes."
What? Comparing a family member of a candidate to a whore, and implying the candidate is a pimp, is not offensive? Hell, people, most of you are complaining the increasing polarisation in politics, but don't you see that this kind of insulting discourse is actually fueling this very same polarisation?
More decency, pls!!!
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"On the other hand, all is fair in love and war."
This "the end justifies the means" attitude is EXACTLY what I criticize! Don't you see that this is a path towards fashism???
I felt teh comment got the dicotamy bacwards...but any inferance taht a politition is a whore works for me.
I looked at that article about Obama's possible loss in Hawaii: that the Clintonistas are waiting for him--"Aloha"--with a baseball bat. I just wonder whether it is just perception versus reality. The writer didn't contact other As-Ams in the area, he just relied on family members to clue him in.
I read another article about how his classmates from the Punahou school don't remember him being particularly anguished about race in Hawaii. I still think that blacks see, hear and feel things that other people are not necessarily sensitized or socialized to pick up or to feel. Was he the only black kid in that particular graduating class? Could be.
Billary's minions are touting that there's another baseball bat awaiting Obama in Wisconsin. Billary was definitely favored several months ago, but now things are beginning to tighten up. It may not be the case. The O man comes to the Kohl Center tomorrow night. I hope that I can make it over there.
Anyway, I hope he does well in Hawaii, where he was born, even if he loses to Billary. The real deal is Ohio-Texas-Pennsylvania.
Actually Gray, I think that these days the verb "to pimp" has lost a lot of its whore-related connotation. To say one's "ride" is "pimped," is to say one's car is well accessorized. These days "pimp" has essentially a dual meaning, and having seen a lot of David Shuster's reporting before this dust-up, and having viewed the remarks in context, I don't think he meant the more offensive of the two.
You clearly disagree, but there's nothing indecent about my original post.
Also, Tenacitus, that's exactly what my post said.
Mr. Stoopid: there seems to be an age cutoff anyone under ~45 sees the loss of shock vlaue of that term any over that age is too busy yellign at us to get off their lawn ot notice 
"Actually Gray, I think that these days the verb "to pimp" has lost a lot of its whore-related connotation."
A reasonable point. Ok, ok, it might be some kind of a generational gap showing here.
But I still don't like this kind of slang discourse. And this still doesn't answer the question why the Clintons were the first to be accused of "pimping", and not, say, the Romneys...
my guess, the media delt with yeas of hand off chelsy (as they should have, leave minors out of this) as the clintons get desperate this tiem round, they parader her out there. romnys kids where allwyas used as propes taht isn't an interesting story.
I don't really like it either, Gray. As I stated, I think it was stupid of Schuster to say and very smart of the Clintons to hammer him on (though I think they may be overplaying their hand a bit).
The question about why Romney wasn't accused of "pimping" in this way first is really a question that goes to the media as a whole, rather than Schuster in particular. Schuster used the phrasing he did because that's what occurred to him to say at the moment-I would doubt if the Romney boys' campaigning was ever something he had reason to analyze in the same way, so a side-by-side comparison is probably impossible.
But I do agree that Clinton hasn't gotten the same type of treatment in all of this. I don't think there's a single answer why, though. Her husband was the president for eight years, and so her family and a lot of her staff are well-known quantities. That's a big difference. She was for a long time considered the prohibitive front runner-nobody else on either side ever enjoyed such a sustained presumption. And, unlike anyone else on the trail (save maybe Giuliani) there is a pronounced, visceral dislike and/or distrust of her in some quarters. It exists on the left as well as on the right. Some of that instinctive dislike must be attributable to misogyny, but there are other perfectly valid reasons to dislike or oppose her. Her support for the war, Kyl-Lieberman, a general distaste for dynasty all come to mind. I'm not saying one should dislike her for those reasons, just that one can without being a misogynist.
Now, you can opine that there are only so many concrete reasons to dislike her because she's been in the public eye longer, and that Obama had it easy on opposing the war because he didn't have to vote on it, etc. And you may be right, but some people may be thinking it's better to go with someone new and not proven wrong than someone they know from the outset they have problems with.
I'm not saying any of this is fair, or the way it should be, but that's how it is and I think that the immediate assumption one finds in some places that anything different in coverage of or reaction to Clinton is sexism-based is an oversimplification. The worst part about it is that a more nuanced examination would probably ferret our the places where sexism is at play (as it likely is in Chris Matthews's massive head), which would be more useful in naming it, shaming it's purveyors, and ultimately stamping it out.
lets take a min to look at hillarys no manager. I think her qute discribing clinton sums up why I would never vote for her.
" ''The biggest mistake of the American press is thinking they know her,'' says Maggie Williams, Clinton's former chief of staff and one of her closest friends. ''You know, people think she's such a big lib. I think she's extremely conservative. I think she has more in common with people in upstate New York than in New York City, in a lot of ways.'' Williams calls Clinton ''patriotic and practical. She thinks it's important to spend money on social programs, but she wants to know that they work.''
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hemm lest see continuing the meme that libetrals aer unpatriotic...and tying her to the right and far right.
republican lite jsut dosn't fly with me, I have mroe respect for Mccain at least he ahs the balls to put an R after his name. to me hillary occupise the same space as liberman and miller
Good comment, Mr. S., food for thoughts. Thx!
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