People like Dodd and Feingold are just about the only hope for America. For most of the rest, let god sort them out.
Goes without saying that McSame is scum.
“Any institution which does not suppose the people good, and the magistrate corruptible, is evil”
robespierre
"Man has the right to deal with his oppressors by devouring their palpitating hearts"
jean-paul marat
"If this be treason, then make the most of it."
patrick henry
Waterboarding is like swimming.
kit bond
Thanks tlg..... I was wondering just how that went down. Geeeeze. I can only hope a year from now this will somehow become apparent just why they did this when they didn't really have to. It makes no sense to me now. None. Time will tell I guess. Still though..... fucked up.
I'm going to invest in carrier pigeons.
Has anyone sent fan or hate mail yet? Do so! feedback is important esp. when we lose.
make sure they KNOW you are paying attention.
Well that will save me some money this cycle.
No money to the DSCC.
If I've got spare sheckels for incumbents, I'll filter them directly to some of the 28 Nays.
I'm done partly subsidizing the fucking Nelsons and Salazars.
Still talking about the constitution are we??? Wake the fuck up people, your decades too late by any count. The puppets you vote for mean nothing.
Ah. Haloscan ate my comment.
I've saved some money the past couple of weeks. No money for the D-Trip or the DSCC. I'll be happy to give a few sheckels to a few folks who voted against this thing in the House and Senate.
No money for Democrats who voted for this though. I don't trust Democrats with warrantless wiretaps any more than I do Republicans.
Still talking about the constitution are zzzzzzzzzzz.
GNB needs to start attracting a better brand of trolls please.
I think this is an mportant ingredient to toss into the ThinkStew. It's from over at Al Giordano's place, The Field --
http://narcosphere.narconews.com...rites-the-
field
Wherein Al gives a big shrug to FISA and Glenn Greenwald goes bananas about it.
Al's position and the Comment thread are illuminating. Provides a historical perspective of surveillance on US citizens that is done by other countries and then turned over to the US.
My favorite commenter considers that, since FISA has never stopped surveillance, illegal or not, and still won't, ever, this vote controversy is a "fake battle" being fought on two fronts: by Hillary supporters trying to say, see, they were right all along, and by people who just want revenge for the last 7 years, no matter what the price. "When you set out for revenge, you dig two graves," is a pertinent phrase, indeed.
From that comment at the Field:
The people in the second category are genuine in their fear and anger and it isn't really the crappy legislation written by appeasers in the House of Reps. It's that we aren't going to lock Bush up for a hundred years. When you set out for revenge [you] dig two graves has a lot of meaning in this context.
As far as the so called problems with FISA itself, I take the presumptive nominee at his word, and I will make him hold to it if he is elected president, that the loopholes will be closed. While he is simply one vote in the Senate I am not going to demand he run up on the sword of a losing battle just for my self-satisfaction (and ultimately against my self-interest).
I've already had my days of Purity, thank you, apologized where necessary and not where not. This time around, I know it's a game and a dance, and I just want to see this particular Dem candidate claim the big prize.
Obama why hast thou forsaken me?
Haven't we seen enough trauma?
Here's another take on Obama and FISA that you should take a look at. It's by Brad Hicks.
http://bradhicks.livejournal.com...com/
401468.html
"GNB needs to start attracting a better brand of trolls please."
Because it's brand of sheep it top-notch no doubt. Really, what will it take for (some of) you people to wake up? Jesse Jackson to ACTUALLY cut Obama's nuts off?
Kin CA Sen SciFi continues to dismay and stuff the war machine for her hubby.
Boxer? A No vote, out of convenience.
Don't GET me started about Pelosi.
I've never been so ashamed of CA pols since Nixon was a Senator and Reagan was a Governor.
Accountability, be damned in their names.
Harumph.
Right, well that narrows the choices. Hmm, still can't decide...Ralph Nader or Ron Paul? Or maybe whoever's running on the Natural Law ticket? At least Ron Paul wants to restore the Consitution, and get rid of all those amendments cluttering it up.
Oh, wait. The Constitution's gone. So it doesn't matter who I vote for, since the puppetmasters will just install whoever they want. Ok, I'll just stay home and join the "I told you so" chorus afterwards. Nothing to do now but laugh cynically at the news, good or bad and enjoy the view from atop my high horse.
wow, a ton of chiken littles here...look fi teh bill (not constitutional amendment) is unconstitutional it will get nullified. the courts will kill it....face it our govermnt has a long history of apssign dumb and unconstitutional laws, lets let the system work before we shread the document.
bjacques you would consider Paul...well considering that I am not lilly white, you are now my enamy, If you are will to vote for a racist you are a racist.
Glad to see both of my Senators (NJ) voted nay. Two votes I still don't regret casting (unlike this year's primary).
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I was just taking GWC's pessimism to its logical conclusion. I might have voted for Ron Paul when I was in highschool and besotted with Ayn Rand and the gold standard (and luckily, too young to vote). I took a bit longer to outgrow L-5 colonies and libertarianism, but I did work at NASA at the time so was duty bound to hate Senator William Proxmire, though not Democrats in general.
As pissed off as I am about Obama not lending moral weight to fend off the FISA bill, I did send him some cash in June. It was the black woman activist who posted about being hounded even today for stuff she did in the 1960s that swayed me.
I'm half-Honduran.
bjacques ahh, i missed teh sarcasim sorry.
Paul is a stormfront type racist...so whiel his no war stance is apealing his now brown skin people stance is a deal killer for me.
It's cool. Back in the day I just thought Ron Paul was a bit off somehow. Now it's pretty obvious he was already nuts then and just got worse with age. I guess someone had to step into Lyndon LaRouche's empty shoes.
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