argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate these people.
has anyone heard the news that the press conference that Wright did was organized and planned by a major Clinton supporter? any truth in it? if yes I am so close to a freak-out.
What really pissed me off about this, is that Hagee is not just "extreme"; the guy is batshit crazy.
In that clip I put up, he's about 3 minutes away from foaming at the mouth and speaking in tongues, or pulling a large North American pit viper out of a Purina feed sack...
And the bastards in the MSM have let he, and McCain, get away with it, while they hammer Obama for Wright's comments.
C'mon HOOSIER dems! You DO TOO know who can do it for us in November!
:o)
Tanbark-Hussein
But WHY would he do it? And why isn't everyone on the progressive boards just FURIOUS at Wright about this?
It isn't about what he said. I agree wholeheartedly with 98% of his statements, and he is a funny, charismatic character to boot. It isn't about his RIGHT to say these things; as long as we are maintaining that whole "we're a democracy" schtick, he absolutely has that right. Believe me, I am SO lukewarm on both of these candidates, I certainly don't count as an Obama partisan (Edwards, yes); I just want them to sort it the f*ck out so I can vote for ONE of them in November and drive as many people to the polls as I can so THEY vote for one of them... Yet I was absolutely outraged when I heard Wright was going to be on Moyers - and even though he came off as eminently reasonable, just his being ON THERE, after having been part of such a flap for Obama, was bad, bad, bad. And that was before Act II! What kind of person hangs his FRIEND out to dry like that - and what sort of egomaniac does it in THIS situation. Wright should have know that right now, at this moment in time, it is all about Obama, not him, not his congregation; Obama, and a friend - a true friend, doesn't tromp all over that with his own *message*, because it isn't about Rev. Wright.
If Hillary's people set this up, they were being savvy politically - dirty, nasty, not what we like, but savvy politically. Wright didn't have to take them up on it. He isn't a babe in the woods - this is a sophisticated, intelligent man. He chose to, for whatever reasons, but it was his choice to throw Obama under the bus. Deliberately, efficiently, and with a ruthlessness that probably has shaken Obama to the core. If he can haul himself out of this mess, I might just become a more avid fan...
The other side of the coin, is that Hillary Clinton is about as religious as Rupert Murdoch...which is appropriate to point out, considering the ass-rubs that she regularly exchanges with Faux.
Punkster, all I can think of, is that Wright saw an opportunity to get some serious network time, and stick in HIS two cents, no matter how much it might hurt Obama, and he couldn't resist the chance.
Obama has dealt with it straight-up, and if some the voters want to hang their racism on this peg, and back the only candidate who can save the GOP's ass this fall, then there's not a lot we can do, except keep sending Obama some bucks, and if it's our primary, work like hell to get out the vote for him.
Sorry for the multiple posts, but I'm pissed.
But we need to keep in mind; Obama has a good lead, and even a split next week won't change that much, if at all. And there will be two fewer primaries for Clinton to go Rove on him, and the dem leadership is starting to sweat bullets about Hillary's willingness to drag the party over the republican-lite cliff.
Even a split might get Gore and Edwards off their "neutral" asses, and if Obama takes both states, it will rachet up the presser on the fence sitters, AND the superdelegates where Obama is still gaining on her, to shit or get off the pot.
"Punkster, all I can think of, is that Wright saw an opportunity to get some serious network time, and stick in HIS two cents, no matter how much it might hurt Obama, and he couldn't resist the chance."
"Obama has dealt with it straight-up, and if some the voters want to hang their racism on this peg, and back the only candidate who can save the GOP's ass this fall, then there's not a lot we can do, except keep sending Obama some bucks, and if it's our primary, work like hell to get out the vote for him."
tanbark
-I agree with the statement that if some want to hang their racism on Wright, there's nothing much you can do, but it doesn't have to be Wright.
It can be something as simple-minded as wearing (or not wearing) a flag pin.
Gee, I wonder if the media can run 60-second sound bites of someone buying groceries, or someone at the doctor's office, or someone pumping gas at the gas pump.
Silly me, Rev. Wright is more important than all that, as far as the MSM is concerned.
What bugs me (one of the many things) is that HRC has close ties to The Family............ a truly sinister, 'Chrisian' cadre that hovers in the background, grey eminences all, ensnaring various pols. But nary a mention in the MSM.
Bollox, do you have a link for that Family connection?
HS,
I first read about them in Harper's, maybe four/five years ago. I've read since that HRC has 'taken communion', but I don't have a definite link. The story is out there though.
Okay, here you go.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/...rys-
prayer.html
has anyone heard the news that the press conference that Wright did was organized and planned by a major Clinton supporter? any truth in it?
I read somewhere that the Clinton supporter invited Wright to appear two years ago, and again last year. The Press Club itself invited Wright this year, and he accepted.
Okay, it's The Fellowship, not the Family.......... still.
its the same group... The Family, aka The Fellowship, aka the fellowship foundation
Well, tonight, I saw the CNN interview with Michelle Obama, and she came across as articulate, thoughtful, and DETERMINED. :o)
Just like her husband. :o)
And as I was leaving, CNN put up their go-to-commercial teaser; "we'll be back with: Clinton coming down even harder on the Wright "issue", and I thought:
"Why certainly. Hillary's going after the comments from the preacher whose statements Obama has utterly repudiated, while John McCain is hustling endorsements and votes from a bunch of fucking foilhat flat-earth society Torquemadas who think that the Catholic Church is a cult, and she has jackshit to say about THAT. Sweet. 
"
"The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power " by Jeff Sharlot hits the streets May 20....
http://www.amazon.com/Family-Sec...08154715&sr=8-
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Doug Coe is the head of that cell like organization. Here's another article:
http://bendaniel.org/?p=110
Frankly, they are much scarier than anything Wright said or did. On that business, it was/is a MSM driven story and I'm glad Obama came out with the stfu to him AND the MSM. Several shows last night made a great point that for Hillary or mccain to bring it up after that "divorce" it would show just how craven they are.
Its their swiftboat and has been for weeks. If ever there was a non-story, Rev. Wright was it. And I don't know how many times tweety said "goddamn America", but he SURE likes to say it. Of course they never once mention that Rev. Wright was quoting what the ambasador to Iraq had said originally. They like to slip that in between how she won Texas and how she won PA by 10 points. I can barely stand to watch as they just keep it going with no one, except Rachel Maddow, calling bullshit on them.
Just ridiculous shit going down in the last week. Outrage should be the response to msm.
I'm glad Axelrod tried to set mathews right and then Obama came out with the big bus and ran it right over this pastor of his. Clearly, he deserved it. I'm unclear quite how it got this far anyway. :-|
OK, lets just be a LITTLE reasonable here people....McCain didn't sit in Hagee's church for 20 years. When someone "endorses" you, it's a one way street. All different sorts of people will "endorse" the various candidates. Means nothing. Get the sand out of your vagina. Yes, Obama has a big problem. I suggest you concentrate on other things besides John Hagee. Just a little advice.
"I'm Sean, and I have approved this message."
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
Sean, get mccains dick out of your mouth.
Myrtle, that's exactly the response I expect from delusional so-called "progressives". To wit, no response. Thanks for not dissapointing me! Oh, and Obama still has a problem BTW....and he needs his dick back, so....
trolls are already fat and stupid, no need to feed them
Uhm.. Sean McCain sought Hagee's endorsement. In fact he flew to Texas to solicit it. So... yes, once more, youre stupid.
Sean, the calendar just turned to May so you have a little over six months until you stop coming here to shit on the comment thread.
I like Wright even though he is directly engaged in evangelism. He makes a lot of good points and from what I have seen can be funny and witty. But he lost me when he started playing the press's game according to their rules. Frankly, he is either not smart enough to realize it(which I highly doubt) or he is doing it out of pettiness since Obama basically called him crazy uncle almost a month back.
There are two ways he could have handled it: 1) keep a low profile while still doing important work in the community or 2) accept the overtures of national press reporters to "clarify" your position. Number 2 would be fine if the corporate press were actually interested in his Church and his beliefs and of this. It appears that Wright thought they did or else he wouldn't have listed off a litany of statistics about it. But instead this became the greatest opportunity in the world to push the gotcha game further and try and push that wedge between Wright and Obama, the black evangelical community versus the half black guy that is trying to find a way to sway a diverse coalition of voters. And boy did were they ever successful.
Obama was forced into a pretty rotten position where he had to fully dump on Wright while Hillary and McCain supporters peer on gleefully. They won't be smiling much longer though, because this story is now effectively ended. The rest of the primaries won't be about Wright and the general election won't be about Wright no matter how many 527s run "God Damn America" in an infinite loop.
This type of gotcha reeks of a certain desperation that has been all too clear as long as I have been alive. It is the politics of stupid. And considering that Obama has been running his campaign in a different way all along in effect delegitamizing this tactic alltogether, he should be able to weather this press fart easily.
I have said it before and I will say it again: Hillary has terrible political instincts. Jumping on everything that has the potential to harm her opponent is opportunistic in the extreme and has had the effect of driving up her negatives rather than flattening them out or reducing them. Once you start abandoning any pretense of a positive message people forget why it is important to vote for you other than not to get that awful other guy. It's not a great campaign strategy, and when she gets beat again by 20 points in North Carolina she should really scale back the negative attacks or get out all together.
"Uhm.. Sean McCain sought Hagee's endorsement. In fact he flew to Texas to solicit it."
And Hubris, do you remember what was going on at the time? hmmmm? Why was he seeking the endorsement? Ring a bell? Yes, it was a LONG time ago. Again, this (political pandering, which is expected in these situations) is NOTHING compared to the relationship Obama has/had with Wright. 20 years. (Now commence sand removal process.)
Bullock, the family and the fellowship are one and the same.
McCain is a large disapointment, 8 years ago he was calling the right wing preachers out as the cancers on society that they are...now he seeks their endorsment.
Sean is right, there is a diffrence, one guy was a memeber of a religiosu group for two decades, agreed with a lot of what one of the ministers had to say, disagreed with some. then again there where a lot of ministers and he agreed with the progresive stance of that church as a whole. The otehr guy knows that fundimentalist preachers are dnagerious to our society, he understands that they are evil and yet activly seeks out the endorsment of one of the most odious of right wing presachers for craven political gains.
Well one of those guys gets my respect, the other dosn't any guess which way that works.
(as a life long catholic i can both understand loyalty to ones faith...i realy do not get the idea that you can "choose" your religion..either you beleive it or you don't..fath shopeign seemes very disingenious to me. I also undstand not agreeing with, or acepting every thing a religious leader says or dose...I have my own mind and can disagree with a preist or even the pope...that must be hard for guys like sean to undersatnad...fucking robots.)
McCain still has Jerry Falwell's jizz dripping off his chin. I'm surprised that Hagee didn't tell him to wipe it off before he got Hagee's assrub.
Okay, so we've determined that The Family and The Fellowship are one and the same thing. So, why doesn't this get any play with regard to She Who Must Not Be Named?...........
Yeah, yeah, I know........ the MSM. So much for an independent press.
Bollocks!
My issue isn't with Wright, it is with Obama.
You don't dump on your pastor, especially one you claim to be like a Father to you. Especially if you're doing to appease people who aren't going to vote for you anyway.
I lost a lot of respect for Obama after that press conference. But I will still vote for him over the Borg Queen anyday.
Bollox Ref: it isn't just the MSM...out side of KOS no one is touching this connection....she is in ratehr deep with a group of dommies, but none of the blog experst on dominists seems to feel the ned to comment on this.
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