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You're f'n-A right about this clown. I've emailed his office twice today demanding that he resign and calling him every name I could come up with. The fact is that he has always been a corrupt bag man in Illinois politics, and what he is doing now is simply grandstanding. He takes whatever moveon and the aclu hand him and reads it on the Senate floor. The difference between his usual jackoffedness and this time is that he is crapping on his country in time of war for personal and political gain, giving aid and comfort to our enemies, and just being a general douchebag. I call that Treason, (except for the douchebag part). He should be left hanging from a lampost on Pennsylvania Avenue for a week as an example to others of his kind.
RADCRAFT | 06.16.05 - 6:09 pm | #

I'm from IL, and if it wasn't for such a pitifully weak Republican party here, we could probably vote his sorry butt out in 2008 (next time he's up).

Back here, he's known more as "Tail Gunner Dick" for his cheap shots he takes. But this one goes far beyond any of his previous stunts, and he's got some real issues he's created with this set of remarks. You get to downstate IL, and I can tell you his comments will be viewed as direct attacks on people's family members who are serving in the military.

I've been way downstate several times in the last 3-5 weeks and have driven through more small towns than I can count, and I can't tell you the number of small towns where there are small signs posted on EVERY telephone pole in the town, with each small sign having a yellow ribbon, the name of a local resident serving as active/reserve/NG, and their branch of service. The MSM can say what they want, but they haven't seen the pride local communities have in our military and the individuals who serve. And Dickie Durbin just spit on all of them with his comments.....

We've currently got IL NG units active in Iraq (123rd FA, retrained as MP units) stationed in & around Baghdad, and a large portion of the 123rd is from the Central/South part of the state, and that's where "Tail Gunner Dick" came from (he was US rep. out of Decatur before US Senate). His comments are going to sit well with those folks - NOT!!!.

Dickie's not going to resign - he's a TRUE BELIEVER & those types never have the good sense to apologize/resign. Nope, we're going to be stuck with him for a while. Just as you've got Barbara Boxer out there, here we're cursed with Dickie Durbin.

Tell you, the next meeting of the IL delegation is really going to be fun when House Speaker Denny Hastert, John Shimkus (ex Army officer), & Mark Kirk (Navy Reserve officer) all show up & there's "Tail Gunner Dick" (excuse me, "Senator Tail Gunner Dick") in all his glory.

The IL delegation is likely to have some really icy meetings in the future....

There will come a time.....
Art | 06.16.05 - 6:35 pm | #

Matt,
Since you went to BUD/S in 1992, I hate to say it but BUD/S got easier after my class, so that means you may have not been able to survive Gitmo 2005. About the A/C being turned down, WTF, why do they get A/C. Hell, being in the Teams we did not get as good as treatment as these SOB’S. What does “detainee was almost unconscious on the floor” that’s like I ALMOST won the Lottery or I ALMOST went on a date with Angelina Jolie, or (this is for CTG) the Cowboys ALMOST beat the Broncos (Thanksgiving 2005, Denver 35 - Dallas 3). ALMOST does not give you $hit. As for the Rap music being played 24 hrs a day, well that is a bit extreme at least it was not Barry Manilow or that Country/Western music. And the stuff about urinating on themselves, well just ask Froggy how many times we did it in BUD/S or the Teams to try to get warm for about 5.3 seconds because we were freezing our butt’s off and not because the A/C was turned down.
Regarding the FBI’S statement, considering the guy/gal most likely graduated from college then went straight to the FBI and the most gruesome thing he/she ever saw was him/herself naked in front of the mirror, so that’s why his/her report reads like it does, like crap.
This Senator is a 1st class Shit Bag.
Julio
Julio | 06.16.05 - 6:48 pm | #

You go Froggy! Down with Durbin. He is dangerous for this country. His remarks have already been taken up by Al Jazera TV. He's a hero to the terrorists, but a disgrace to the fighting men & women in uniform.
Allan Bartlett | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 6:51 pm | #

Spot-on Frogmen!

Durbin is a complete disgrace. He just pissed on the grave of each and every American Fighting Man (and Woman) that has made the "Ultimate Sacrifice". He's a fucking traitor.
thebronze | 06.16.05 - 7:24 pm | #

God Bless you Matt. This SOB needs to understand that good men like yourslef go through more torture in boot camp, let alone BUDS, then these little cockroaches at GITMO are dealing with. Then again, the little prick Senator would probably never shoulder a rifle for anything except to keep his precious little seat in the Senate. Thanks for the read! Giddy-up!
Alec Thompson | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 7:37 pm | #

The total lack of ignorance of this despicable excuss for a Senator has me more angry than I have been before. I will never vote Democratic again when I see Durbin, Boxer, Kennedy, and that poor excuse from Vermont leading the Democratic party. This coward refuses to apologize to our men and women and hides behind the casualties. He is a mouthpiece for our enemies and should be exiled, arrested or hanged, per Abe Lincoln.
Kipp | 06.16.05 - 7:59 pm | #

Just a small correction. Durbin is not from the Decatur area, but from the Springfield area.
Laddy | 06.16.05 - 8:12 pm | #

I agree with all the above comments and have posted this Dickhead's photo on my site, as a reminder to any and all lazy non-voters. Maybe they'll wake up and show some spine and help vote him out of office. I want him to resign now.
Chevy Rose | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 8:12 pm | #

I'm trying to find all the voting members of the BRAC to suggest they vote to close any Illinois base they can in this BRAC 2005 session.

If Durbin is the people's elected spokesman, then we need to move bases, troops, all that money and all those jobs into states that don't spit on our military.
Xixi | 06.16.05 - 8:13 pm | #

AMEN! I realize that there are good people who do not agree with the war (I've never had a problem with honest pacifists.) However, Durbin is becoming the Jane Fonda of the Senate.
SingleMind | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 8:16 pm | #

Excellent rant, Froggy. Very well laid out.
Preston Taylor Holmes | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 8:46 pm | #

He apparently is smart enough to realize that if a *big* lie is repeated enough times, it will become truth to many of the lemmings in this country. The ultimate goal being a far left, neo-socialist in the White House.

I would like to have optimism about how this country will deal with him. However, the cynical side of me feels that the only thing that will become of his comments is a guaranteed spot in a "factual" college history book.
Nicole | 06.16.05 - 9:11 pm | #

Well done, Matt! Durbin is a seditious sack of sh!t and ought to be run out of the Senate on a rail and dealt with properly. I can think of several choice forms of torture that would fit.

OTOH every time I am about to write off my party full of cowards, the Dems haul out one of their dime-a-dozen traitors and the Republicans don't look so bad. I'm torn between outrage and hoping the Dems keep this up.

And Julio, that was simply breathtaking. AMEN.
Peg C. | 06.16.05 - 9:16 pm | #

Peg C,
TY.
Julio
Julio | 06.16.05 - 9:23 pm | #

Everyone take a look at this and give it widest possible dissemination:

http://armageddonproject.com/ ima...sk_them_how.jpg

What will they have to say?
thebronze | 06.16.05 - 9:34 pm | #

That was great!

Why should we expect anything other than this type of treasonous crap from the democrats. I actually have people in my office who, when the towers fell on 9-11, agreed with me that we need to hunt these bastards down and kill them. Then when operations began in Afghanistan, these same people ran around the office crying that 'It's the stupid Republicans who want to go around blowing everything up".
???
gabrielpicasso | 06.16.05 - 9:37 pm | #

Hate to disappoint you but Durbin speaks for his constituancy. I live in Chicago and can tell you that the vast majority of people in this town agree with him. I have never voted for the guy and never will, but the political power in this state is in the Chicago area (which is very left-wing) and not downstate and Durbin knows it. He will not be hurt by this. I wish that were not true. He is a scumbag.
btorrez | 06.16.05 - 9:41 pm | #

Another example of the "progressive" hatred of America. It is really sad that the MSM does not call this America hater on his lie. Stalin killed between 12,000,000 and 19,000,000 White Rusians before WW2 and millions more after the war in the Gulag. Less than 25 have died at Gitmo. I am madder at the MSM for their bigotry than I am at Prick Durbin. I expect progressives to hate America.
Rod Stanton | 06.16.05 - 9:43 pm | #

Has anyone noticed, but this is starting to sound similar to the "baby killer" labels pinned on Vietnam Vets.
Jeff N. | Homepage | 06.16.05 - 9:49 pm | #

i too am a minority in chicago. i e- mailed that gutless piece of shit durbin and verbally spit on his rotten carcass but like all kool-aid drinkers he will stick by his back-stabbing (no guts no guns to stick by)knives
steve suerth | 06.16.05 - 9:59 pm | #

As btorrez states, Durbin is the front man for a large segment (the largest) of voters in Illinois that feel America needs to be taken down several pegs -- and killing "rich" New Yorkers or "far right Christians" of the military is fine with them. That's why Durbin is a senator from Illinois and that's why he says what he does. Scum like Durbin don't believe a damn thing, they say what they know their constituents want them to say. And the more firmly those constituents want him to run down the US and the military, the more outlandishly he'll cater to those same voters.

Face it, every major American city voted for Kerry, the traitor of the Vietnam war. The politics and the votes of American cities are destroying the morale and motivation of this country and they seem hell-bent on nihistically destroying any concept of America being a source of good in the world.

History shows almost inevitably that rot from within ends every once great civilization. Those willing to lay down their lives for what this country should be are being betrayed by those both actively trying to destroy the US as well as the majority who just don't give a damn.

Durbin, Kennedy, Boxer, and now several turncoats in the Republican party all represent the "will of the people." It's the people who are putting them into office and keeping them there. Thus, the most sobering thought of all is how much longer will the minority of decent Americans continue to risk all in defense of a country filled to an ever increasing number with those that despise the concept of duty, honor, country.

Like the nihilists who were intent on destroying the czar in Russia without any coherent plan for governance when the monarchy was brought down, the Durbin/Boxer/Kennedy/etc cabal are more focused on short-term gain via the destruction of this country rathern than realizing that when they finally get their way, they'll all have their throats cut and their children cut to pieces by the American version of the Bolsheviks that'll then take power.

And history will march on, and hopefully somewhere, somehow, decent human beings will once again have to rise from the mud to fight against tyranny and evil.
cmillinois | 06.16.05 - 10:49 pm | #

Wow... I love it when you guys are like this... no holds barred, tell it like it is... that guy is a traitor. I'm so glad there are places like this where OUTRAGE can be shared. I'm so sick fo the total lack of proportion on the Left's part, and like you, Peg, I'm torn between wanting to se them learn a lesson and wanting to see them keep it up, so they get their heads handed to them - again.
Adele | 06.16.05 - 10:51 pm | #

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
The people of Illinois need to repudiate Senator Cockroach. He's such a jerk he probably gets his ideas of torture from old "Stalag 17" reruns. About the time Sadaam is feeding him into a meat grinder he might be willing to deal with low a/c temps instead.
Keep piling on him, blogosphere, and to all you serving military, thank you from the bottom of our hearts and God bless.
Dorothy | 06.16.05 - 11:57 pm | #

You are god damned right. I am furious too. I read a soldiers blog today (cant remember which) where the brave hero was describing a typical ride in an up-armored humvee, who's AC of course couldnt keep up with the 126 degrees F and extra armor, and hence the ambient temp was hot enough to make touching any peice of metal burn. So this poor hero spent 4 hours next to his buddy trying not to move and touch anything in a hundred plus degree vehicle. AND THATS JUST ANOTHER DAY IN IRAQ SENATOR DURBIN. SO DONT TELL ME ABOUT HOW BADLY THE GOD DAMNED 20TH HIJACKER HAS IT IN SUNNY CUBA.
Mark Buehner | 06.17.05 - 12:46 am | #

Durbin is playing well to the Democrats, he may even play this out to the race for the nomination. It certainly made him a player.

Note: Hillary Clinton has NOT condemned him, she has Presidential ambitions. That pretty much says it all.

Durbin if anything will get MORE attention and respect from Dems, who hate and loathe the military, the Flag, and America with a passion.

When the next big terrorist attack inevitably comes, Dems will be up the creek but they don't care now as their Berkeley and Bay Area base loves this crap. Sorry. Dems used to care for this country but that hasn't been the case in decades.
Jim Rockford | 06.17.05 - 1:07 am | #

DICK DURBIN you Treasonous POS, this is for you:
"Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' ... If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"
-Samuel Adams
RESIGN. You are not worthy of those who came before you.
Pamela in California | 06.17.05 - 1:15 am | #

Sir, you are very correct in your assertion of Mr. Durbin. I personally have two people deployed right now and to hear what that man had to say makes me sick to my stomach. Thank you.
Katie Kuykendall | 06.17.05 - 1:39 am | #

"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"
- Abe Lincoln

Brett -

Your quote says it all so well, it bears repeating.

This statement applies to ALL those Democrats like the traitor Durbin who continue to play politics with the lives of our military, our citizens and our future.

The far left got away with this sort of dainty treason over three decades ago. They will not get away with it again - not this time!
Barbara | 06.17.05 - 1:47 am | #

Amen, Matt. Amen.
ExSubNuke | 06.17.05 - 2:12 am | #

Actually, no one has died at Gitmo.

(Re: Comment by Rod Stanton, certainly an error caused by being worked up into a justifiable outrage over Sen Durbin's seditious statement.)

About 25 "detainees" have died as a result of dereliction/abuse/homicide while in US custody over the last 4 years or so - out of an estimated 70,000 total detainees. These includes cases such as not firing warning shots at escapee before shooting, etc.

All of these cases are under either investigation or charges have already been brought.

The source of this information is not the (evil) administration, but an "unbiased" compilation of Military reports and ACLU documents by the AP. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar.../ w113007S95.DTL

I woke up this morning with a very heavy heart. I knew there would be emails in my inbox from some of "the people who are wading into the human cesspool and stomping the $hit down the drain for us all" (froggy, 13 June). Oh, they'll be putting a good face on it, maybe thanking me for the cookies or telling me how they distributed some of the toys and clothing we sent to the children in a nearby village. They might mention they're homesick, or how they hadn't been sure they would attend that memorial service the other day but they did and it had helped.

How can we face them? We have asked them to risk their lives by going halfway around the world to gain control of countries ruled by brutal dictators and now terrorized by inhuman thugs and they are succeeding with honor. And we at home cannot even control our own elected representatives or our media. I feel like we are letting them down, and there are no words to describe my feelings of shame.
MaryAnn | 06.17.05 - 7:01 am | #

I'm from IL, and this is just unbelievable.

When they call this "torture," it really cheapens the actual torture (mutilation, maiming, rape, being thrown off buildings, having eyes gouged out) that went on under Saddam.

Being chained to a chair with the AC on is not torture.
TallDave | Homepage | 06.17.05 - 9:00 am | #

What I just sent to his office. I would have cursed him out but I wanted him to see that the "other side" aren't just crazy-angry, but have thought carefully about his actions/words and that there will be consequences:

Senator Durbin,

It may matter little that I am writing to you, since I am a resident of NY and an Independent. I simply want to tell you that your recent comments regarding the Guantanomo Prison confirm why, in the last presidential election, I voted for Republicans for the first time in TWELVE YEARS, and confirms to me, again, that I will be doing so for a long time to come.

You have impuned our soldiers and their work to such a degree that I think you to be seditious and a fool. That you would lose all sense of proportion when discussing what could have been a legitimate complaint (though I do not think it is, it surely deserves to be examined), confirms that your party has really lost it. You are in their leadership and frankly, Democrats have become a parody of themselves.

I require no response from your office and would prefer not to receive one.

Adele Conner

PLEASE GO SEND A LETTER OF YOUR OWN!! WE NEED TO SPEAK UP!http://durbin.senate.gov/
Adele | 06.17.05 - 9:12 am | #

The state of Illinois is insane. I thought Florida was a government loving socialist craphole - until I moved to Illinois. My old 6% asles tax looks like heaven now. People in Illinois support this type of talk. Durbin is representing his traitor constituents.
Matt Nellans | 06.17.05 - 9:41 am | #

I didn't Vote in the 2002 election but U can bet I will be voting to get rid of Dick "Scum" Durbin in 2008. Of course this is just one of the reasons to get rid of Durbin go read the reast about this A-Clown at DumbDickDurbin Blog.

http://dumpdickdurbin.blogspot.c...right- wing.html
beardown | 06.17.05 - 9:43 am | #

I am with you all! I am also sadly from Illinois and am incensed beyond words! Durbin should be immediately censured in the Senate and FORCED to resign. I am not prepared to wait until 08 to vote agianst him when (predictably) everyone but those who care, will have forgotten this. We're going on 4 years from September 11th 2001, and some have forgotten why we rose up. For those of you from Illinois...if anyone knows of a recall petition or other action that we voters can take against this sack of shit, please let me know so I can sign up.

As to the Democratic Party, after being a registered Democrat for 30 years, I am now an Independent and will stay that way. I voted for Bush in 2000 AND 2004 and wish he were able to run again. Hillary Clinton is remaining silent on this issue about Durbin and that speaks VOLUMES to me. Her silence is tacit approval and betrays how duplicitous and what a fraud she is. Don't believe it when she says she is in the Center! It's another LIE from a Democrat!

Carol Johnson
Carol Johnson | 06.17.05 - 10:04 am | #

I'm also from IL, and am sick of this ass, but between the weak Republican party here and the corrupt Chicago Democratic machine that keeps him propped up, there is little chance that he can be voted out. Sorry, America.
JL | 06.17.05 - 10:09 am | #

I wrote Obama and my congressmen asking them to publicly rebuke them. I also gave them a little speech about how I used to consider myself liberal, but their hate has turned me against their party. Not that anyone will read it.

Chicago dominates every election. Even though most of the rest of the state is Republican (and apparently even East St. Louis would be if it weren't for deliberate fraud by aldermen there) it still always swings left.

Of course, the Republican party of Illinois is schizophrenic and led by idiots. They threw out a good candidate that could have defeated Obama because of a sex scandal that 1. was with his wife not someone else, and 2. there was no sex involved. How crazy was that?

We IL Republicans need to gut our own party first before we can take on the Democrats.
Pluto | Homepage | 06.17.05 - 11:21 am | #

My company just their trip to the KEHE Food Distributors trade show in Chicago at the end of July.

Not much of a loss to Chicago, but a loss never the less
vero | 06.17.05 - 11:27 am | #

should read "My company just cancelled"
vero | 06.17.05 - 11:33 am | #

Copy of what I sent to Sen. Durbin:

Dear Senator Durbin,
I am absolutely appalled by your remarks on the Senate Floor this week. I am looking at the Senate Congressional Record, and while you may not have directly compared our troops to “Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime-Pol Pot or others”, the implication is undeniably there.
Senator, your remarks are doing more to breed sympathy for terrorist organizations than anything that could possibly be going on at Guantanamo Bay. You may call these people detainees, but they are not where they are for jaywalking. They were trying to kill American soldiers. They are terrorists. Their living conditions are far better than any my sons have had while serving in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Let me remind you, sir, that the Nazis did not concern themselves with the air conditioning in their "detainees" rooms. They used ovens. Nothing I have read in any report regarding the treatment of these prisoners would fit the definition of abuse or torture, and if anything, we are more than merciful in our treatment of them.
As a constituent, I urge you at the very least to apologize on behalf of the people of Illinois.
Marty Fay

Okay, that was about as scathing as I could get without using my second language-profanity. I have had three of my boys over in Iraq so far, and to my knowledge, none of them has been served orange glazed chicken!!
Marty | 06.17.05 - 11:38 am | #

Hey JL

Sorry to say but things change. A lot of those red states were Blue states several years back. I know in 2008 I'm going to be spreading the word and making sure that people remember all the dumba$$ thinks Durbin has said these last few years. Just as when I hear these paper tiger's forget about what happened on 9/11 I will do everything in my power to help them remember.
beardown | 06.17.05 - 11:51 am | #

I'm down for a swarm. Durbin's remarks appeal to the worst possible Anti-American sentiment.

I don't think there's any way to punish a Senator for remarks on the floor in the Constitution, but I'm looking for "recall out of disgust", just in case.

This POS can't be allowed to effectively spray paint a swastika on the coffins of the fallen and get away with it.
eLarson | Homepage | 06.17.05 - 12:34 pm | #

In Texas, we'll pee on your leg and tell you its raining.

I'd like to know who is peeing on Durban's leg.

Time to ex-Foleyate him from the public servants of Illinois!
red river | 06.17.05 - 1:43 pm | #

Dear Frog Man:

What we have here, clearly, is one helluva firestorm. And thank God we do. I've spent most of yesterday and today listening to talk radio, reading on the web, writing to everybody I can think of, and still my spleen is about to split wide open. You are already on this big time; I hope you will stay on it long term, until that smug, smarmy, treasonous bastard Durbin is driven into the slimiest, most worm-infested depths of the dirt where he belongs.

Immediately following (not that you have the time to read it all) is the text of the email I just sent to family, friends and associates inviting them to follow my lead and demand that Durbin be condemned. Following that is the text of the email I earlier sent to Senators John Warner, Mitch McConnell and Jeff Sessions calling upon them to move to censure Durbin in the Senate. I have of course also written to the president and to my Pennsylvania senators calling upon them to personally and very publicly denounce Durbin's comments. And I've written to others, many others, including Senator Joe (Know-It-All) Biden, wondering when, since he so recently and so publicly disassociated himself from the comparatively innocuous comments of Howard Dean to the effect that all Republicans are a bunch of hateful whiteys and that the president is an inarticulate boob, we can look forward to him (Biden -- self-perceived man of character, integrity, and truth-telling no matter the cost, to say nothing of boundless and unbridled hubris) publicly denouncing the comments of Durbin which, apparently, are already having the direct effect of providing aid and comfort to our enemies, thus encouraging our enemies, and thus further endangering our troops in the field, if not our entire national security. Will Senator Smarty-Pants speak out? Doubtful, although in my email to him I offered $500 to the charity of his choice (or even if he wishes, God forgive me, to his own next relection campaign) if only for once he will stop criticizing all of our efforts and instead publicly criticize one of his cronies who has, by his words, gone way beyond the pale in an effort to undermine all of our efforts.

Anyway, here's my letter to family and friends; after that is the letter to Senators Warner, McConnell and Sessions:

Hi all:

I hope you won't consider this an intrusion. If so, I apologize, but I feel compelled.

The reason I write is to try to encourage you to write -- to the president and to certain senators -- regarding what I consider to be nothing short of treasonous remarks recently made by Senator Richard Durbin (Democat, Illinois) on the floor of the United States Senate.

You're probably already aware of what he said. It has set-off a firestorm on talk radio and on the internet. In a nutshell, he literally compared our detention center at Guantanomo Bay to Nazi concentration camps, the Soviet Gulag, and to the murderous regime of Pol Pot in Cambodia in the 1970s, all of which collectively murdered hundreds of millions of people, almost none of them military combatants.

We've killed nobody at Guantanomo. Nor, to the best of my knowledge, have we inflicted any physical torture. Sure, we've deprived some of the detainees of sleep, and apparently even subjected some of them to the loud playing of Christina Aguilere records (I suppose arguably a tactic worse than physical torture). But from everything that I have heard and read about it, none of the detainees have been subjected to anything even coming close to what Dad, George, I, young Scottie, and everybody else who ever went through basic training in one of our country's military services went through. (From what I also gather, the food these detainees are getting is a hell of lot better than what we got.) And remember that these detainees are not innocents. They were captured as enemy combatants in Afghanistan and Iraq. They are our sworn enemies, sworn to try to kill as many of us and our children as they possibly can. If they are released, as too many numbskulls are now calling for, there is no reason to think that they will not go back and rejoin the jihad against us.

It's one thing when a group like Amnesty International refers to Guantanomo as a gulag; they are not part of our government. It's one thing when members of our government, or of the press, or just plain citizens criticize our methods at Guantanomo; they all have that right. But when a member of the United States Senate, largely for partisan political purposes, stands up and directly compares our military to the most vile and murderous regimes in all of history, I say that Senator deserves condemnation.

Senator Durbin's comments -- again, made largely for partisan political purposes, to try to inflict political damage on this administration -- have the direct effect of offering aid and comfort to our enemies. They must, necessarily, also serve to help undermine the morale of our troops in the field. Most important, by offering aid and comfort to our enemies, they encourage our enemies, and thus they place our soldiers in even greater danger than they already are. This, I submit, is the very definition of treason.

I've already written to Durbin, twice, and directly accused him of treason. I've written to Harry Reid, the Democatic leader in the Senate, and asked him to pass along my compliments to Durbin for finally pushing me (and I'm sure tens of thousands of others) over the edge toward realizing that we must now wage war not just against the terrorists, but also against the traitors in the Senate. I've written to the president and asked him to condemn, personally and publicly, Durbin's remarks. And of course I've written to Senator Santorum, and Specter (for all the good that will do), and to our congressman Curt Weldon.

I've also written to Senators Jeff Sessions, John Warner and Mitch McConnell, the only Republican senators who so far have had the gumption to call Durbin on his treasonous comments. I have thanked them for their gumption, but suggested that more needs to be done. The text of the letter I sent to Senator Warner (I sent the same letter to Senator McConnell) appears below. You'll see that I am suggesting that he, or somebody on the Republican side, bring a motion to censure Durbin for his vile, treasonous comments.

I know that you are all far busier than I, and that nobody particularly likes somebody else contacting them to elicit their support in something about which they may not feel as passionately. And so I say again that if this message comes as an unwelcome intrusion, I respect your feelings and I hope you will forgive me.

If, on the other hand, you are inclined to agree with me that some of these Democrats in the Senate (not just Durbin, but Patrick Leahy, Joe Biden, Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, et. al.) have in their rhetoric gone way beyond allowable standards of partisan political speech, and are now indulging in reckless commentary that is endangering not just our troops in the field but also our entire national security, then I hope you can find the time to express your feelings to the proper authorities.

And it shouldn't take long. One short letter to the president expressing your views can then be cut-and-pasted and sent to anybody else. The president's email address is www.president@whitehouse.gov. The senators don't have regular email addresses, but rather web forms for feedback that you must access by going to their websites. Fortunately, there is a website that on one page provides links to the websites of all the senators; it's: http://www.senate.gov/general/ co...enators_cfm.cfm. Once you get to that page, just scroll down until you get to the senator you're looking for and click on the link.

Here's the lineup: Good guys: Senator Mitch McConnell, John Warner, Jeff Sessions. Bad guys: Richard Durbin, Harry Reid.

In conclusion, even in your most bizarre dreams can you imagine a United States senator, in the middle of World War II -- when hundreds of thousands of our fathers, brothers, sons and daughters were spilling their blood while fighting for our very survival against a ruthless enemy bent on our destruction and world domination -- getting up in the well of the Senate and in so many words saying that not only were we no better than our enemies, but that in fact we were worse, that we were every bit as bad, murderous and blood-thirsty as Attila the Hun? Can you imagine that? I can't. It boggles the mind. Yet in effect that is what Senator Durbin has done.

I say this: maybe in this country of free speech such treasonous talk can't be stopped, but it must be condemned, in the strongest possible words and by as many people as possible. I hope you agree, and if so, that you will act on your convictions.

Thanks for your indulgence.

Chuck

P.S. Following is the text of the letter I sent to Senators John Warner and Mitch McConnell:

Re. Senator Durbin's Reprehensible, Treasonous Remarks.

Dear Senator Warner:

Since, unfortunately, our laws forbid us from just storming into the Senate chamber, grabbing the traitor Durbin by the scruff of the neck, and taking him outside to stretch that same neck from the nearest lamppost, can't we at least get a motion of censure so that he, his treasonous Democratic colleagues, and the American people will forevermore know that a line must be drawn between partisan rhetoric and outright treasonous speech?

I heard part of the exchange you and Senator McConnell had this evening with Durbin. I congratulate and thank you for it. But with all due respect, Sir, it's not enough. This traitor must be formally censured, publicly vilified, roundly condemned, and subjected to the kind of social shunning that is reserved for only the most vile creatures among us.

It's simply beyond th
Charles R. Vail | 06.17.05 - 1:52 pm | #

Way to vent, Chuck!!!

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Adele | 06.17.05 - 3:21 pm | #

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but there are no provisions for the recall of a U. S. senator in Illinois. Illinoisans have the opportunity to vote him out of office in 2008. Only the U. S. Senate itself can do anything to him sooner than that (within the law, of course).
Dave Schuler | Homepage | 06.17.05 - 4:00 pm | #

What does this idiot think he is...
This man needs to be rmoved fom office!
It is sickening...

http://secondshiftreflections.bl...s.blogspot.com/
Karen | Homepage | 06.17.05 - 6:00 pm | #

Wake me when the civil war starts...until then we will keep hearing this bullshit.

And the republicans do nothing...not one calls for his resignation.

Fuck, them, all.
metro | 06.17.05 - 9:19 pm | #

As a liberal Democrat, I have to agree that these statments are crossing the line. I've argued in the streets with people who've boasted such statments, and have even been called (falsely) a Bush supporter.

Let me assure you that the majority of moderate liberals are not reflected by these statments.

I am bothered by the actions in Gitmo, however, and do not accept the "it's okay for us to do it because they do" arguement as a valid one at all. If we are truly better than them, then we have to be better than them.

But for anyone to compare our leaders or our soldiers to Nazis simply shows an ignorance of history and what Hitler was really about.

I feel compelled to remind you, however, that as much as his views may go against the fiber of everything you and I stand for, his right to say them are part of what you are fighting for.
Cary | Homepage | 06.17.05 - 10:37 pm | #

Well Cary, that's quite an admission on your part, and provides not a small amount of comfort on mine.
Froggy | Homepage | 06.17.05 - 10:43 pm | #

Cary, Let's get something straight here. Durbin can stand on the street and spew any crap he wants without being thrown in jail or being subject to any other legal remedy. He does not, however, have the right to say anything he wants *on the Senate floor* or in his capacity as US Senator. That's (one of the reasons) why the senate has the ability to censure its members.
Juliette | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 5:03 pm | #

You have a point. And I hope you will equally condemn Senator Santorum for his comments regarding Democrats as "the equivalent of Adolf Hitler in 1942" regarding the Filibuster.

Wrong is wrong, regardless of party.
Cary | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 6:17 pm | #

Remember, he too was on the Senate floor.
Cary | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 6:20 pm | #

No I won't. Why not? Because Santorum's senate floor remarks are not putting military lives in danger, nor are they comparing the actions of those who would protect us to those of history's worst mass murderers. (Were Santorum's remarks quoted by Al Jazeera and, thereby, used to encourage and motivate our enemies?)

Scope and effect are the keys here. One wonders what the intent was.
Juliette | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 7:42 pm | #

I guessed you wouldn't. Santorum's intentions were for his party to get their way. The rhetoric was the same, regardless of the results. He compared Democrats to Nazis.

So, I ask you...

Was it wrong or not?
Cary | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 8:19 pm | #

I would condemn Santorum for being an ignoramus, but not advocate censure. He said something dumb about Democrats. But Durbin was not talking about "Republicans" he was talking about the Military during a time of war.

Santorum (as well as Byrd when he made his Republican=Nazi comment) was also specificially talking about using/not using fillibusters to take more control of a government. Not making accusations of war crimes.

So apparently both sides are saying being either for or against fillibusters are just like the Nazis. Huh that's funny.

I must know fewer and fewer "moderate" liberals. Most I know have no problem at all with Durbin's comments. (I hear even worse from them). The only moderate ones I can think of offhand are children of military or police.
Pluto's Dad | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 10:11 pm | #

Cary,
Your coyness is quite endearing, but I doubt you even believe the shit you are shoveling. Unless you lack the intellectual ability to discern the difference between a metaphor and a direct corollation, you know damn well that Turban was grossly out of line. Santorum's comparison was no less stupid, but it was completely insignificant to the GWOT, our troops, or the decorum demanded by an august body.

When we are fighting within the family (on domestic issues) our poorly worded statements have no effect on the neighborhood. But when your'e speaking on community issues (foreign policy) in an open forum tone and substance take on much more import. Dropping the Nazi card on our troops in public is unforgivable and should result in his resignation.
Froggy | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 11:09 pm | #

Most Liberals are moderate ones. Unfortunatley, if you live in a red state or only commune with them on the internet, you are likely to encounter the far left "loonies". Even I argue with them on various forums. The far far left are in the minority, just as the extreme right are. The majority of this country are either moderate liberals, moderate conservatives, or just entirely apathetic (the most offensive to me).

Remember, Bush's use of the word "crusades", as well as his taunting with "bring them on" (which he much later expressed regret for) energized the terrorists against us, and our troops suffered for it. Did I hear any Republicans condemn him for his language then? I know you love the guy, but we gotta play by our own rules, right?

But I can give you an example of a pro-military Democrat. You guys tend to hate her, but regardless of what other problems you have with her, Hillary Clinton has a consistent pro-military voting record in the Senate.
Cary | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 11:28 pm | #

Froggy,

I am dissapointed that you've brought this discussion to a personal attack on my intelligence. But I'll allow that to speak for itself.

But let me get this straight.... you are saying that your sense of right and wrong are measured on a scale set by our enemies, rather than your own values?

I am a Democrat. When one equates the Democratic party to the Nazi regime, I take it as saying that I am no different than a Nazi supporter. I have every right to be as insulted and enraged as you do.

I have the backbone to condemn someone when they are wrong, even if they are on the same side as I am. I am mortified that some of you would make excuses and comparisons to negate the wrong done on your side.
Cary | Homepage | 06.18.05 - 11:38 pm | #

Sorry to interrupt your fantasy that Bushitler created terrorism, but I'd like to direct you to the latest contribution of Victor Davis Hanson discussing the interview of a Syrian terrorist, Abu Ibrahim published in WAPO and the IHT. http://www.nationalreview.com/ ha...00506170746.asp
Froggy | Homepage | 06.19.05 - 1:48 am | #

Hey! We're not all bad! Not everybody in IL likes that Dick Durbin. Just moved up to IL from Texas this year. So I voted in TX, not up here. That said, I felt bad turning in my TX DL this weekend. I'm ashamed to be from the same state as Durbin. But I called his office and maybe convinced one intern. Some of us are workin' here, Froggy! We're not all scum like that traitor...
Sadi | Homepage | 06.19.05 - 8:56 am | #

I never said that Bush created terrorism, so please don't put words in my mouth. I simply pointed out that his statements were just as irresponsible as Durbin's.

Bush himself said that he shouldn't have said those things, the least you can do is agree that he was wrong.
Cary | Homepage | 06.19.05 - 3:47 pm | #

It would be nice if the people of Illinois recalled Durbin like the people of California recalled Gray Davis but I'm not holding my breath. The overriding quality of the American electorate is apathy. There'd have to be a 9/11 every day for people to wake up.
DeepFried | 06.19.05 - 4:52 pm | #

Now that I agree with 100%.

I wish I didn't, but it's true.
Cary | Homepage | 06.19.05 - 6:17 pm | #

It's "hair on YOUR ass," not "hair on YOU'RE ass," idiot. Think about it. "You're" is a contraction for the words "you are." You wouldn't write "hair on you are ass," would you?

Well, YOU might, because you're a half-literate dickweed. But an intelligent person would not.
Rick Santorum | 06.20.05 - 10:22 am | #

Cary,

The reason I'm not going to raise Hades over Santorum's Nazi reference is the same reason I don't demand that you do the same over Robert Byrd's Nazi reference: both were in reference to the filibuster debacle, something that isn't a live or death issue.
Juliette | Homepage | 06.20.05 - 2:33 pm | #

Juliette,

I don’t want you to think that I don’t understand what you’re saying; I do. For the record, I’ve also noticed that you’re not raising Hades over Dean’s idiotic remarks regarding Republicans (YOU are proof that he was dead wrong!)
Dean, Durbin, and Byrd by no means speak for all Democrats. And I hope that Santorum does not speak for all Republicans, not only with his “Nazi” remarks, but also with other vile, hateful remarks he has made.

As far as the “filibuster debacle” though, I have to disagree with the relevance you deem to it. Whatever judges are appointed, and ultimately in the Supreme Court, they will be called upon in the next few years to decide on issues that are not only life and death, but also the quality of such. These issues include euthanasia, abortion, equal rights, and civil liberties. This is why the Dems are fighting so hard, even perhaps unreasonably.

My point is that the Nazi card should NEVER NEVER be played by any politician, not because of the way our enemies feel about it, but because WE are above such things.

Let’s face it, our enemies will latch onto whatever they can to justify their actions. But the fact is, they will be trying to kill us even if we don’t give a reason. And believe me, as a person who lives in NYC, I am fully aware that their targets are not just military. My parents wanted me to move back home after 9/11, but I told them that I was home. If I run away from everything I live for, it’s better that they kill me.

The reason I don’t accept the “it’s okay for us to treat them a certain way, because of what they do” argument is because WE ARE BETTER THAN THEM. If we are to take the moral high ground in our words, then that is where we need to stand in our deeds. 99.9% of our soldiers do stand on this higher ground, and I will never forget the comfort I felt on 9/11 when I first heard the US Air Force airplanes flying overhead.

Politicians, both Republican and Democrat, say stupid and reckless things. We need to be able to call them on it solely because it is wrong according to our own values, and not unconditionally defend them just because they belong to the same political party as we do. They and we need to remember that they work for us, and that we decide their fates in the voting booth.
Cary | Homepage | 06.20.05 - 11:59 pm | #

Sorry Cary,but treason is treason.Stop making excuses for the left and their despicable behavior.Why do you call yourself liberal?look up the definition of the word,and see if what the radical left who hijacked the term really fits the description.The founding Fathers were liberals,Andrew Jackson/Jefferson who are our party's founders were liberal in the classica sense.John F.Kennedy was a liberal and a great patriot/his brother isn't!Go listen to JFK's inagural address and see if this is what the modern party stands for today.the reason I haven't bolted and gone independent,I want the party to come to its senses and start purging pansy assed lefist from and especially the black lefists because they are in embarassament to me as Black woman with such much ignorance.I know treason when I see it,but the GOP with its blueblooded subculture acts to scared to do anything to the Dems.FDR would have,and so would "Old Hickory" General Andrew Jackson,who was non partisan when it came to treason of the United States and helping our enemies.Andrew Jackson was also a lawyer so this free speech nonsense wouldn't have cut it with him.He would' ve made the justice Department get off their asses and would have demanded that Durbin,Kennedy,Leahy,and others challenge him in a duel or they would have had a rope waiting for them someplace in Washington.It is a shame that we don't have men in power such these anymore because we need them now more than ever.
Lisa Gilliam | 06.21.05 - 3:10 pm | #

Lisa,

Where on Earth do you see me making excuses for anyone?! I have said quite plainly that Durbin was wrong. Do what you will with him, I am not defending him at all. I've even gone so far as to say that Dean and Byrd were wrong. Why is it so hard for you to do the same with your people? I believe that I have completley lived up to the definition of liberal, but to appease you,I did look it up...

lib·er·al
ADJECTIVE:
a.Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
b.Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
c.Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.
d.Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States.

2.a. Tending to give freely; generous: a liberal benefactor.
b.Generous in amount; ample: a liberal serving of potatoes.

3.Not strict or literal; loose or approximate: a liberal translation.
4.Of, relating to, or based on the traditional arts and sciences of a college or university curriculum: a liberal education.
5.a. Archaic: Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.
6.b. Obsolete: Morally unrestrained; licentious.

NOUN:

1.A person with liberal ideas or opinions.
2.Liberal A member of a Liberal political party.

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Cary | 06.21.05 - 4:47 pm | #

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