Froggy- on target as usual, and from a unique angle at that. As for your last line- "Fortunately, President Bush and our military are not about to let that happen." - it's not them I'm worried about- it's the politicians in Congress I worry about- in particular the Senate... One can only hope they get the message after the Senate debacle just past, and the bold move of congressional Republicans in contrast.
douglas | 11.30.05 - 3:22 am | #

Froggy, if only the Pres had the same communication skills that Reagan had, I would feel much better about staying the course. I wish he'd go back to what he was like, those first days after 9/11, and we got to see a Texan with blood in his eyes. He's a lame duck president, with no re-election to spend energy on, and he needs to get out there and kick Congress's ass back into line, and shame the lot of them before the nation.
Byron Audler | 11.30.05 - 4:39 am | #

Right on again, Matt. Plus--think of all the good training we are getting, along with the test and development of our state-of-the-art weapons systems. I believe in my heart that Iraq is/was a pay-me-now or pay-me-later situation. I'd just as soon clean house before something else happens on our soil. I'm not convinced one way or the other on whether or not Saddam was behind or had prior knowledge of the attacks on 9/11, but Iraq is trouble either way. Right now "terrorists", "insurgents" or whatever you want to call them are developing their own tactics, techniques and procedures on the ground in Iraq, and who's to say some of these guys won't take their fight to US soil further down the road.

We won't and shouldn't make Iraq a Middle Eastern America, but we can give people some say over their own fate. The trick is to get the Iraqi people to take the reins and effect their future. It's a tough nut to crack with a fatalistic society.
trident86 | 11.30.05 - 5:21 am | #

Great post Froggy. In some ways, I get the "Bush lied" meme. I don't believe it, primarily because it was the Democrats that pushed getting UN backing, and it was the UN that had sanctions in place based on Iraq having WMD. Bush just used that issue to his advantage, and that seems to piss off his critics.

What has pissed me off is the concept that I, or anybody that supported OIF, blindly accepted what the President said, and only supported OIF because of the WMD issue alone. That's simply not the case with me.

I have various reasons for supporting OIF, the primary reason being that our troops were being shot at constantly by Saddam Hussein's forces while patrolling the no-fly zones. One look at Korea was enough to tell me that condition could last for 50 more years. If Saddam Hussein doesn't understand what a ceasefire agreement is, then we should explain.

The fact that OIF is a magnet for attracting AQ operatives is a bonus. However, that's an unfair situation to leave the Iraqi civilians with. We should leave our troops there, to protect Iraqis from a situation we caused. It is to our benefit and Iraq's that we do so. Once the transformation is in place, Iraq will be capable of defending itself, and AQ will have a much harder time recruiting supporters to their cause.

Those who call for the early withdrawal of US troops from Iraq care nothing for the US or Iraq.
Leland | 11.30.05 - 10:23 am | #

Matt, good points all but I've got a question a bit off point(this goes for all experienced servicemen out there in the pond).
President Bush just gave an excellent speech at Annapolis and Kerry is now responding. He imidiately started cracking on the President for using military settings for major speeches, then said that the opposing view(Democratic Senators) don't have that same "luxury" to abuse the servicemen in that way.
My question is: if a member of the United states Senate or Congress requested to make a speech at an academy or military installation would it, or could it be allowed, is that option open to them?
I believe they could if they wanted to but they know they would be eaten alive. F Kerry
Please give my thanks to all you know who serve.
STREETER | Homepage | 11.30.05 - 11:33 am | #

Dead on Froggy! What just kills me is that everything you say in this post is just COMMON SENSE!! When those self-serving jackasses in Congrees defy common sense, stand by to stand by! I just hope W and his team can stay strong and complete the mission. God bless America, our troops, and save the Republic!
Joe Norman | 11.30.05 - 11:54 am | #

Kerry could speak at the Academy if he wanted to, but he probably wouldn't get much in the way of appreciate from the midshipmen for bashing the Pres.
Froggy | Homepage | 11.30.05 - 12:10 pm | #

wait a minute folks. while it is true true the majority of this country's servicemembers lean right sen. kerry does have a point. i can't tell you how many times i've seen our president give speeches to the troops in uniform. however when it comes to filmimg the fallen at dover afb it is a totally different story. this former hole snipe is a democrat and i don't think the troops need to get caught up being used by either party as a polical prop. it is not fair to them in general. obviously i would like to see OIF completed as a success. however with this country's current adminstration i do not think that may be possible.
tommy in nyc | 11.30.05 - 12:31 pm | #

Thanks Matt, that's what I thought. Kerry strongly made it seem as if only the President had the opportunity to address the troops, just another line of bull that the MSM won't call him on.
Those guys like Kerry, Biden and Durbin know that they can never show their faces around active bases again.

Tommy, I believe it is part of the Commander in Chiefs' job to address the troops often during this war. As to the returning casualties, he has met with a huge number of the families and always in private, never trying to capitalize on those meetings.
Froggy, can you fill us in on what you've heard regarding those meetings through your old "chiefs network"?
STREETER | Homepage | 11.30.05 - 2:36 pm | #

How dare that arrogant C-in-C speak to the newest batch of Naval officers? That is like the CEO of Boeing having the temerity to, of all things, speak to the employees who build aircraft according to his directives.

What an abuse of power! Why isn't the Navy's all time greatest hero speaking at Annapolis? We all know Lt.(jg) John F. Kerry, the undisputed most heroic swiftboat hero of heroics from heroic Vietnam heroism, would be truly well received as a Naval officer at the school of Naval officers, in a room full of soon to be Naval officers, right?

Why, EVERY ONE of the troops our hero has met has thanked him for speaking out for them on this issue.

(Did he mean nva troops, or sandanista commie rebel insugents?)
Brian | 11.30.05 - 2:58 pm | #

tommy, let me get this straight- Bush shouldn't speak to the troops he's about to send off to fight, and remind them why they are going and show support for their mission- But he should go to military funerals even though it is logistically impossible, and he'd get even more reamed for 'using the military as political props'. Even though he meets families of the fallen in private, and not in public. Somehow, that isn't quite squared away.
douglas | 11.30.05 - 3:08 pm | #

Yes douglas yes. Isn't it funny as all f@*#ing hell to hear Lt.(jg)John F. Kerry, after his campaign for president last year, complaining about using the military as a political prop? Wasn't that precisely what he has done for 35 f@*#ing years?!?

Oh, did I mention he's a Vietnam hero?
Brian | 11.30.05 - 3:18 pm | #

Make that NORTH Vietnam hero.

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/ kerr...040531140357545
www.wintersoldier.com - Kerry Honored by Vietnamese Communists
Brian | 11.30.05 - 3:20 pm | #

STREETER,

Froggy answered you, but I do recall Senator Clinton visiting the troops in Iraq and using that as a backdrop to make a speech. So not only can they do it at an Academy, they can also do it in the field. Moreover, it is a good strategy for them, if they can find troops willing to stand behind and support them.
Leland | 11.30.05 - 3:24 pm | #

no douglas,brian and streeter you missed my point. 43 has a habit of using his position as c-in-c as a way to whip up POLITICAL support. he could've met with cindy sheehan(altough i do not support what she is doing at all) when she got to texas instead he sent out his national security advisor. also as i said in my first post i understand that the majority of the troops support bush 43 and the mission not everyone of them does.why do think that he didn't allow dover afb to be filmed?for the the troops morale?please.
tommy in nyc | 11.30.05 - 3:34 pm | #

Perhaps the CIC wasn't to keen on the idea of pictures of our servicemen coming home in coffins used to sell papers. You know the "Fair" and un-biased reporting of the MSM an all.....
Playin' in Sand | 11.30.05 - 3:41 pm | #

Tommy in NYC:
What the hell is wrong with the COMMANDER IN CHIEF, U.S. ARMED FORCES speaking at military facilities about the WAR ON TERROR? Nevermind this crap about caskets. Why are you insistant that he provide critics more ammunition? Nobody who has been calling for those Dover AFB photos gives half a damn about the hero within the casket. They want the picture of DEATH=FAILURE=BUSH. Not to mention the families don't want their fallen loved ones used as political tools to denigrate the country and cause for which they paid the last full measure of devotion. It's a matter of RESPECT. It's a matter of HONOR. The President gets that. Do you?
Brian | 11.30.05 - 3:49 pm | #

Brian,
I was going for tactfull but after reading your post, the full frontal assult was definately the way to go.

Tommy,
Are you reading the stuff your typing? Commanders Call, All Hands? Do you remember these??? You know, when we'd all muster up and the Skipper would let us know WTF to expect from that underway period. Was that shit politicly modivated?!?!
Playin' in Sand | 11.30.05 - 3:57 pm | #

It's hard for me to be tactful and fired up at the same time. That's just how I feel about it. The thought of those photos being co-opted by the MSM and the code pink cunt brigade to smear the sacrifices of REAL heroes, and their families just burns my ass to no end. Somebody has to point this out consistantly. I'm not trying to insult anyone personally, I'm just fired up.
Brian | 11.30.05 - 4:05 pm | #

The original point though, was that the demand for those photos from Dover is itself politically motivated. That is what gets me. Does anyone think MSM wants them for a "balanced" presentation of the GWOT? What, to counter all that favorable reporting on the military by Gunga Dan and SeeBS? Gimme a break. Everything the Dems and the media have done since OIF began has been politically calculated. So don't give me the crap about troops as props for W. The C-in-C has a DUTY and OBLIGATION to adress the troops themselves, and the American people.
Brian | 11.30.05 - 4:12 pm | #

whoooaaaa ther is no way whatsover would i ever politize our fallen servicemembers.no freakin way!!! the point i am making for the 3rd time is i honestly do not believe he is visiting the troops just for their morale and to give quote unquote "tactical points for their upcoming mission.the troops already know wtf they got to do. there IS a polical prop aspect to seeing him talking to them all the time. i don't recall bush 41 doing it as much back in 91' when i was in the fleet. i simply do not trust bush 43 period. that was the main point i'm simply trying to express here.
tommy in nyc | 11.30.05 - 4:14 pm | #

That's your opinion, and you certainly have a right to it. I personally think that the President speaking to this nation at war, with troops behind and around him is entirely proper. When I see this, I feel the strength of this country. So what if he gains politically from doing his duty as the C-in-C? That is not the singular purpose of the appearances, whether you trust him or not. By the way,the troops and sailors themselves I've seen surrounding him at these events seem very glad he chose their base or ship to address the nation from. These men and women are proud to be the backdrop, and it seems they consider it an honor to share a stage with the President of the United States of America.

Also, I wasn't saying you were doing the politicizing yourself, Tommy. Just what you said made me burst forth with my feelings about that whole Dover AFB photos thing. The returning fallen should be honored, and who I don't trust are the Demorats and their media sycophants. They don't have the best interests of the families or the country at heart. That's where the political calculations come from, as Froggy has proven in his last few posts so well.

So, nothing I said was meant to insult you, cause you seem rather reasonable, unlike some trollers that pop up here from time to time (you know who you are).
Brian | 11.30.05 - 4:30 pm | #

Tommy,
I agree with Brian on all points. Even the one about you being reasonable(for a snipe J/K). I do think the President: past, present and future; REP or DEM is morally and positionally obligated to meet with the troops at EVERY opportunity. That said, I can see no reason this speech in the presence of the future leaders of the Navy should be viewed as politicaly motivated.
Playin' in Sand | 11.30.05 - 5:17 pm | #

Tommy, I applaud you taking the high road on politicizing the flag draped coffins, now be honest on the MSM taking the same high road; never happen. Gotta go with Steeter and Brian on this one
MMC(SW) | Homepage | 11.30.05 - 5:19 pm | #

Tommy, Ditto Brian: we're not here today to call you out on anything. My original point was just that Kerry was again slinging horseshit and he won't be called on it.

As to the Dover/coffin issue; as I understand it that is along standing DOD policy and is not accurate to say that it is Bush that "won't allow" it(I'll defer to experts on the policy and whether Bush con over-ride etc...).
Personally, I am okay with the photos of the flag draped coffins aboard the transports. As sad as they make me feel inside, they also make me strive to be better and stronger for my wife and boys. I am actually at a loss for words to express the depth of emotions when I view those photos. I don't know the right answers.
Streeter

Matt, Sorry my comment hijacked the stream after your excellent post.
STREETER | Homepage | 11.30.05 - 6:03 pm | #

I think the flag draped coffin on the aircraft is profoundly moving, and could be a beautiful thing if presented in the context of what the soldier died doing. If you present it like a somber tribute to the bravery of our military, with some degree of respect and appreciation for who is in the casket and who is waiting to bury the casket, that would be fine with me. The problem is with these moonbatty morons who just want to throw corpses at the President and yell about liar liar and no blood for oil. Has anyone heard about Code Pink at Walter Reed AMS? Wounded soldiers recovering and rehabbing inside, their families coming to see them. These tasteless shitbags have signs out front saying stuff like "your leg for Halliburton" and various other offensive garbage these wives and mothers shouldn't be subjected to ever. This just really tees me off, and somebody should shame them all away from the damned hospital at least. The media types will defend these people, and not the soldiers.

It's all about perspective.
Brian | 11.30.05 - 7:49 pm | #

Whew, I feel better.
Brian | 11.30.05 - 7:51 pm | #

The President nailed it.

Think of Iraq as a hugh aircraft carrier and forward staging area for our GWOT.

Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia etal. are only minutes away from Iraq istead of hours from Europe and Diego Garcia.

I sleep better knowing that the AQ sleep with one eye open with us in the livingroom.
JCW | 11.30.05 - 8:36 pm | #

tommy in nyc;

Let me see if I've got this straight you don't trust the President but you do trust J. F'n Kerry and the MSM?

Is that right?
JCW | 11.30.05 - 8:48 pm | #

People talk about the "fly paper" strategy, but I prefer the term "bug zapper."

Much more accurate.
Partisan Pundit | Homepage | 11.30.05 - 10:35 pm | #

Leland, I remember the great Hilary visit to the 'Stan and Baghdad, they actually had to order soldiers to be around her as they would not do so by choice. What a farce.

JCW, It's likely that any sleep for A.Q. has been suspended until the big sleep comes a' knockin'.

Taps is sounding for me, out.
STREETER | Homepage | 11.30.05 - 11:20 pm | #

Miles training can only do so much, at times a military force needs a war to blood the troops and train the next group of admirals, generals on down to the LTs and such. To establish Democracy in the region and save Iraq from Saddam's depridations is a noble deed of course but We did need our first battles to get real good at fighting this new enemy.
if nothing else Iraq served well as our war fighters live fire initiation into modern war. lessons were learned, new doctrine establish, all written in blood.
They did well!
Barry 0351 | 12.01.05 - 12:39 am | #

Brian,
Every Friday night at the anti war protest outside Walter Reed the Code Pink group leaves before the bus loaded with wounded soldiers returns from the weekely trip to Fran O'Briens Restaurant because the troops bus stops in the drive way to flip them off. These shameful miscreants don't even have the stones to face the wounded they are protesting. You should join the freepers opposing the pinkos sometime,Brian.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focu...s/1530310/ posts

BTW-Code Pink is celebrating the New Year in Cuba (Dec 28-Jan 2) if any of the trolls here want to join them.
CTG | 12.01.05 - 12:54 am | #

Excellent, Froggy!
beth barnat | 12.01.05 - 3:14 am | #

It is eye opening to see how different people view the photographs of flag-draped coffins. Some view them with reverence and awe and some view them as a in "what a waste".

Wake up! We lose more Americans on the street to drugs, gang violence, and murder. THAT is a waste! What can people who view those coffins feel about the lives represented within?

A life spent serving your country...no matter how short...is one that should be honored and treasured by those left behind not counted and displayed to make a point. It is said that Lyndon Johnson (a Democrat) agonized over every American death in Vietnam until it basically made him useless as a Commander-in-Chief. I'm sure that George Bush could attend every funeral and cry his eyes out and there would be some who would view this as being guilt-ridden and contemptible. I would be one of those. He is not a heartless bastard, he is President of the United States and the Commander-in-Chief of our military. He honors those who serve by speaking to them and about them in a way that makes me proud. How about you? Are you going to honor those who gave their lives with respect or dishonor them with your disrespect of their mission? Your call.

Carol Johnson
Carol Johnson | 12.01.05 - 12:34 pm | #

Back OT: I was on a pre-deployment FEX at Camp Lejeune in 03 when President Bush came to speak. Somebody decided that each battalion in the field could send two people to see the speech. We, of course, gave that opportunity to junior sailors, but it was tempting. As it happened, I was en route to the Naval Hospital when he flew in, and I'll tell you, just the sight of Marine One flying over was enough to make my day, and I'm a cynical old goat. Those that got to attend the speech still talk about it today. The effect his presence has on the troops far outweighs any political baggage, in my opinion. Just my 2 cents.
Ernie | 12.01.05 - 3:24 pm | #

tommy in nyc,

one other thing. The reason Pres Bush did not meet with Cindy Sheehan in Texas was because he had already met with her and her family a year before after her son died.

She wasn't requesting a meeting with Pres Bush, she was asking for ANOTHER meeting.
Brad | 12.01.05 - 3:47 pm | #

Good post Matt. I saw a posting on a blog detailing the WMDs and Al Qaeda connections in Iraq. It was a VERY well presented argument with lots of links to source material - naturally, I neglected to bookmark it, which takes about 2 seconds. Well, I cannot find it! Can anyone out there point me to it? Thanks
Mark McGilvray | 12.01.05 - 3:55 pm | #

It's easy to get off topic in these threads here at Froggy's. His posts drive the point home so well that the trollers have to come and change the subject and start arguments about everything else they can find in their feverswamp of nutty asshattery.

Froggy hit this one out of the park. Even if all the peacehags are totally right, we still shouldn't leave Iraq before the Iraqi forces are competant enough to help their people be free of Zarqawi and the like.

Iraq as world wide jihad central is what we will have if the lefties get what they are asking for. The fact that thier bush lied stuff is provably false is only ehancing Demorats lousy national security creds. They think they've got '06 and '08 all but wrapped up. They have a rude awakening in store for them. It will be fun to watch all this effort the last 5 years blow up in their Demorat faces. Froggy's been right on with these last few posts about liberals and national security.

The dems would do well to read these posts and take them seriously, instead of trolling through here and accusing Frog of "posing" as a veteran online. What a stupid thing to throw out. I'll bet Froggy has forgotten more about anti terror operations than we'll ever learn.
Brian | 12.01.05 - 7:56 pm | #

Excellent analysis, Froggy, as usual.
Anonymous | 12.01.05 - 8:58 pm | #

Saddam will look great dangling from a street light, just like Mussolini. Iraqi Pinata

President Bush on Cutting and Running: "Not while I'm Commander in Chief."

Tommy in NYC: You let the media do your thinking for you. Look (with your own eyes) at the faces of the military heroes who hear him speak. Watch them go up to shake his hand. If you can't see it, that is sad.
JoeS | 12.01.05 - 11:54 pm | #

I have been to Iraq in 2003, 2004, and 2005, and am going again in Feb. I found this blog through a friend of a friend. I am not a SEAL, I am an Navy Arab linguist who has worked with SF and SEALs. Things are much better there than before (2004 was the worst I think). People just need a little more patience. We are all in this now whatever the cause was that got us there. I totally felt safe where ever I went with the SF guys and SEALs. I was lucky to be around such great people. There are literally 1,000s of less AQ there than before and this is a good thing. Leaving is absolutely out of the question, cannot even be considered, and really should not be debated. I don't really understand why people who are supposedly smart enough to figure that out are pushing for it. What do they want- for AQ to have a safe haven the size of Iraq and another Sept 11th cuz that is the alternative.
John | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 7:35 am | #

They've stated their position over and over again. Its very simple. "THEY want to be in charge." Even if it costs thousands of patriot's lives. even if we have a dozen 9-11's, they don't care, they want to be in charge. They demonize their opponents, and rage against the way things are right now. They will not be happy until they are in charge. They have no f&*%#$ idea what they will do when they are finally in charge, they just know (in the depths of their soul) that they could do a better job.

No sacrifice is too great. They will sell their souls to finally be in charge. Even if Western Civilization goes through a Dark Age, at least their name will be in the history books. Command... AT ANY COST.
Charlie | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 9:19 am | #

Those who are not inspired by Marine One flying over will probably never

''…know what it is like when the wolf rises in the heart.”

as President Theodore Roosevelt said.
Charlie | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 9:34 am | #

Great speech - Great setting.

As far as I am concerned, President Bush (or "43" as he was referred to earlier) can and SHOULD speak about the war in military settings as often as possible. It's not only the right thing to do, it's essential.

He can throw in a few more carrier landings, too. No matter what the jealous democrats like Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton & Pelosi say, the landing on the Abraham Lincoln was an inspirational event and entirely appropriate.

We are at WAR! President's should speak to the nation and especially the troops during WAR. This is not a difficult concept - unless you're one of the aforementioned spineless democrats who wouldn't be well received in such a setting.
arrowhead | 12.02.05 - 11:53 am | #

To change the subject a little...

GO NAVY BEAT ARMY!!!!!!!

Have a great weekend guys. I hope the troops in Iraq and Afganistan have a chance to watch the game and relax.

GO NAVY!!!

Carol Johnson
Carol Johnson | 12.02.05 - 11:53 am | #

AQ's ONLY chance of winning is through the propaganda war. AQ knows this. They must hold on just long enough until America's moral will is gone.

Their ally is the American leftist media and those who support it.

WE cannot allow them to win this time like they did in Vietnam.
chembrad | 12.02.05 - 2:24 pm | #

First of all, I would like to address the whole attack on Bush and his speaking skills- being from Texas does not make you speak like you are ignorant. I take full offence at that. Peopl ein ecery state can have problems with public speaking and other speeach defaults.

I completely believe Bush. I also need to remind everyone that our dear media announced our plans for 9 days. That is plenty of time to move any kind of chemicals or weapons out of a tiny little country.
Rachel | Homepage | 12.03.05 - 12:28 am | #

The real answer is that Rice studied WMD and got a degree. At the mansion in Texas she taught George.

WMD became covert CIA policy and all opeations officers had to go to school. They got mad and jealous at Rice, used the war, and the Uranium hunts, etc. to attack the US government, which was the original intent of these foreign intelligence penetration operations. Its easy to commit treason when you can use someone like Wilson and a foreign intelligence service(s).

The critical difference between Plame and the others is the use of potential terrorists(self actualizing under their domestic operations officers, rather than their original handlers, Al Quaeda, for example) and letting the average citizen, rather than other operations officers, pay the bill.
Plameologist2005 | 12.03.05 - 1:15 pm | #

Take your medication Plameologist2005, you're off on one again.
dave | 12.03.05 - 1:50 pm | #

Navy Wins!
Leland | 12.03.05 - 6:56 pm | #

I haven't read all the comments so maybe this has already been discussed. If so, disregard this post.I like to ask antiwar folks what would have happened if we had NOT taken Saddam out. They have no answer except some lofty answer about our troops would be alive. I then inform them that the embargos(sp) were failing and Saddam had already bought off France, Germany, and China with the Food for Oil program. (We didn't know that at the time but we know it now). That meand the isolation of Saddam was ending. Iraq's foreign minister, under Saddam, Tariq Aziz, has told United States interrogators that Saddam was planning on having nuclear weapons two years after the embargos ended. That means that if left unfettered, Saddam could quite possibly have nuclear weapons today or in the very near future. This is not speculation, this is what has been reported in the news but given almost no play because of the antiwar bias of the MSM.
Steve | 12.03.05 - 8:25 pm | #

Once again...You Rock..Most of us reading your blog agree with you.
We have a duty to spread your word. Starting NOW. Imagine for a moment..Hillary=Commander In Chief=Stop crying and stop it before it starts.
We all cannot be SEALS, but we can stand for what they do.
Stand up for what is right, what is American!!!
Sean | 12.04.05 - 12:30 am | #

Hey Carol,
Sorry don't spend too much time reading the "comments"
Anyhow:
Drug addict: Self Chossen..I went to college..Love the drugs...choose not to do them!! Figure that????

If I did CHOOSE to get addicted... I would be more than ashamed to ask you to pay to get me "Recovered"

Military: Self Chossen...What I do MATTERS...makes a HUGH difference ...not only in my freedom but the freedom of the people who Choose to do drugs the rest of their lives....pooor them. Thank a Soldier for each useless day you and yours enjoy.
Sean | 12.04.05 - 12:42 am | #

Good point, Sean. On the subject of thanking soldiers, anyone is welcome to visit:

soldiersangels.org

or AnySoldier.com

and thank them in real time.

One letter each week, one or two packages a month. It's easy and it means a lot.

Adele
dellbabe68 | 12.04.05 - 9:31 am | #

Sean,

I went back and re-read my comment and was confused by your response, but if my words somehow said something I never intended then I'm sorry. The point I was trying to make that I have tremendous respect for those who choose to serve, I served for nine years. I lost a cousin and two of my high school classmates in Vietnam that I know of.

Life is always very precious and that is what I had hoped to say. If my words said something else then I am sorry.

Carol Johnson
Carol Johnson | 12.04.05 - 5:40 pm | #

Froggy, I think the Dems are pretty shrewd this time. They are playing the media and the public with the constant drumbeat of "bring our troops home." If the Bush plan stays on track, we will probably see some troop redeployments just in time for mid-term elections. If so, who will get the credit? The President, who wrote the plan in the first place? Not a chance. The average Joe (who is not very politically astute, as demonstrated every Thurs by Sean Hannity) will think that Bush is responding to the "leadership" of the Dems.
Navigator | 12.06.05 - 2:53 pm | #

"43 has a habit of using his position as c-in-c as a way to whip up POLITICAL support."

Thomas: That is any President's job in wartime. If he can't give speeches to shore up political support for the war, then who the hell CAN?

What you said is like saying the engine has a habit of using its position to make a car move.
Zhangliqun | 12.06.05 - 8:19 pm | #

Bush speech was misled over WMD by CIA because operations officers were tired of the covert WMD University classes. Bush is going to war anyway,. so why not use him and get even with Rice for the policy.
Anonymous | 12.10.05 - 10:35 pm | #

Bush war speech was a set up from CIA to sell off the covert CIA WMD policy and mandatory training for all OOs. 'We're going to war anyway,' CIA used the war to get even with Rice WMD degree and Bush's Texas mansion.

So, it should all make sense as to why Plame was chosen to do the leaking and used the foreign penetration operation 'yellowcake' and Wilson to do the dirty work.

I think everybody they worked with in Iraq and Spain are outed, but there sure were alot in France, and Italy, and Austrilia outing the rest......?
Anonymous | 12.12.05 - 3:15 pm | #