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Hey, I didn't get the notification. Guess I'm psychic. Hehehe. Shannon Doherty. Troublesome, but having some compensating factors, as shown in Mallrats. Whew!
That's first and second!
For the umpteenth time, Cathy, you have published something about me that is false. I never called a publicist the "c" word, nor did an editor ever make me apologize to a publicist for doing that. (How convenient that you don't even name the publicist.) You must have a rich fantasy life since you never seem to muster one correct fact when it comes to me. Let me see, the last time you printed something about me, you were raving on and on about how you thought I had left some evil comment about you under a pseudonym. As I emailed you at the time, when I have something to say to you, I identify myself. Like now. And then later you made a reference to a conversation with "one of Nikki's Wellesley classmates" -- again unidentified -- who supposedly told you something about my personal life. And when I emailed you to say it was untrue, you lost your cool. But never, never, do you ever correct your blog. What I can't figure out, Cathy, is why you seem so bizarrely obsessed with me. Either your world is that small, or you're very desperate for attention, or you don't mind looking pathetic. NF
PR flacks come from the same long line of mercenaries that The French Foreign Legion exemplifies. Stand and fight for your paymaster, no matter how hopeless it is. The good ones treat it almost as a priesthood or other calling, so that they don't develop either the jocularity or the contempt for the writers and broadcast reporters who contact them. Even as they rush to get Evian for the client because Dasani burns her widdul thwoat.
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Wrong Answer 1: "Oh, we're ALL just whores to you, aren't we, Hack? You misogynistic bastard! YOU'VE never had your father abandon you at the bus station with a fistfull of poorly counterfeited money and a bottle of flat Sprite! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE!!! STOP STARING AT ME!!!"
Wrong Answer 2: "Heh? Funny you should ask. All us gals at the office have been trying to move him up from prostitutes to call girls for YEARS!"
I love it - Cathy's supposed to be obsessed with Nikki, but Nikki is beaten to the punch of being first commenter only by first-commenter-by-occuptation David Scott. This is getting good!
Well, I would have been first, had my comment not been eaten by Journalspace. In brief: years ago, I entered NYMag. competition--won. A few weeks later, met Michelle Bega who also entered these weekly competitions. It seems that she saved every issue that she either won or was runner-up. Since she'd lost to me--she was not very polite. As the prize was a 2 year subscription to NY mag, I figure she must have a couple of lifetimes of free issues coming.
Would the real Nikki Finke deign to comment here?
ms finke just won by a knock-out.
Finke must be googling herself at a rate even faster than our beloved hostess.
Yes, and I'm pretty darn fast!
See You Next Tuesday ? That's like saying "the 14th letter word".
Pass the popcorn!
Maybe children don't respond to purported "adults" playing childish one-upsmanship games (such as the demented "answer phone while laughing" ploy)is because they are experts at playing childlike games, and these "adults" are merely embarrassingly rank amateurs.
I see everything as a potential lawsuit because I am a lawyer. But Cathy's continuous comments about NF seem of a very personal and obsessive-like nature, which could spell trouble. Cathy, you should read this article from National Review Online:
http://www.nationalreview.com/
dr...reher091602.asp
Even though from 2002, it is very relevant. It quotes Sandra Baron, the executive director of the Libel Defense Resource Center in New York, and says bloggers are "unaware of the risks of libel and invasion of privacy, and don't realize that what they're saying on these websites could set themselves up for libel lawsuits from individuals and entities from around the world."
legaleagle » I see everything as a potential lawsuit because I am a lawyer...
05.03.05 - 10:50 am
IP: 70.33.122.132
Nikki Finke » For the umpteenth time, Cathy, you have published something about me that is false...when I have something to say to you, I identify myself.
05.02.05 - 7:08 pm
IP: 70.33.122.132
I didn't know you were a lawyer now, Nikki! Congratulations on passing the bar.
Oh, and I just noticed this:
davidlo » ms finke just won by a knock-out.
05.02.05 - 10:18 pm
IP: 70.33.122.132
At first I thought "davidlo" meant Nikki won the bad PR contest by a knockout. Then I realized "he" was just Nikki again, suggesting that she won her fight with me by a knockout. If you say so, Nikki!
How'd you do that ISP reading thing? Personally, I never pass a bar without stopping in.
Let me see, the last time you printed something about me, you were raving on and on about how you thought I had left some evil comment about you under a pseudonym.
I recall Cathy Seipp pointing out the use of a specific, not too common set of words or phrase that made it understandable why one could theorize two postings under 2 different names were from the same person. Prior to that I thought such an assumption had been possibly an overreach on the part of a blog's owner. But now for a person to cite something about "raving," an "evil comment" and a "pseudonym," certainly if that person truly hadn't been a part of such fun and hijinks---meaning that the likelier reaction should have, or would have, been HUH??! What the hell is she talking about??!!---calls to mind the phrase "methinks he doth protest too much."
If you say so, Nikki!
When I think of Time magazine's article a few months ago about how flaky and ridiculous some parents (in which most of them probably are of liberal persuasion) have become over the recent decades, in which they want to blame a teacher for reprimanding misbehaving children or accusing them of cheating, and then remember how the Hollywood community idolizes someone like a Bill Clinton, and then realize that most writers who cover that community lean left, I can't be too surprised that some people out there are going to be guilty of juvenile, wacky behavior.
I know you hate emoticons and net shorthand but the ip match deserves a big 'ol ROFLMAO.
You would think by now people would realize their IP is logged.
Delicious.
While Cathy and Nikki prepare for their big Lime Jello Wrestling Match, Mark (among others) might enjoy perusing this NYROB piece by the estimable Tom Frank.
Maybe you can buy peace with a chicken salad to go?
I'll take one of the corners and be the fight doctor.
this NYROB piece by the estimable Tom Frank.
He's not too estimable when he can't do something as simple as give the Swift Boat veterans as much benefit of the doubt ("crumbled under the slightest scrutiny") as I can tell he wants to give to Rather's documents (an "honest mistake"):
It didn't matter that the accusations angrily advanced by the "Swifties" (as they are fondly known on the right) crumbled under the slightest scrutiny....While the distortions of the Swifties had brought no discredit on Republican campaign efforts, the CBS program was immediately understood not as an honest mistake but as a politically motivated hatchet job, the final proof that the nation's news organizations were out to get conservatives.
His equating the eyewitness accounts of the Swifties with the out-and-out fraudulent documents given to CBS, meaning his use of moral equivalency, is one of the many reasons I rarely trust the perceptions and basic wisdom of many, if not most, liberals----even though, believe it or not, I orginally thought that perhaps Nikki Finke was being described unfairly or incorrectly by Cathy.
Nikki won by KO, not sure why she had to get back on and add more to the pileon (under fake names, no less!)
"His equating the eyewitness accounts of the Swifties "
"Eyewitnesses" THAT WEREN'T THERE!!!!
"Eyewitnesses" THAT WEREN'T THERE!!!!
Well, how about trusting a person who really was there (ie, wacky John Kerry), yet who's also capable of doing something as screwball and immature as, for example, what Cathy Seipp is pointing out above? IOW, if a person is guilty of manipulating a situation in the silly, childish manner of posting under pseudonyms and then claiming otherwise, how can you ever trust him or her from that point onward (John-Kerry-type reaction: "How dare you accuse me of writing messages here under the names "davidlo" and "legaleagle"!!!)
UPI -- Former U.S. Navy Swift Boat commander Larry Thurlow said Thursday he stands by his criticism of Sen. John F. Kerry's conduct in Vietnam. Both Kerry and Thurlow received Bronze Stars for actions taken in Vietnam on March 13, 1969, though their recollections of what happened differ dramatically.
"To this day," Thurlow said in a statement, "I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other accounts from my shipmates: There was no hostile enemy fire directed at my boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day."
Thurlow said he believed the wording of his citation used "language taken directly from John Kerry's report, which falsely described the action on the Bay Hap River as action that saw small arms fire and automatic weapons fire from both banks of the river."
"I submitted no paperwork for a medal nor did I file an after-action report describing the incident. To my knowledge, John Kerry was the only officer who filed a report describing his version of the incidents that occurred on the river that day,"
"Well, how about trusting a person who really was there (ie, wacky John Kerry), yet who's also capable of doing something as screwball and immature as, for example, what Cathy Seipp is pointing out above?"
You mean John Kerry is really Nikki Finke? ROTFALMAO!!!
The way you throw "wacky," "screwball," and "immature" around, Mark, is indicative of the simple fact that you're projecting.
Cathy Seipp vs. Nikki Finke? This is fantastic. This is like China vs. Russia. Whoever loses, we all win!!!!!
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You mean John Kerry is really Nikki Finke?
Well, they probably share the trait of leftist biases, which makes them less reliable and prone to, yep, screwball, wacky and immature behavior. I mean you're left-leaning too, David, and wouldn't you say such a mindset makes you less pro-traditional/conformist on one hand, more pro-flaky/do-your-own-thing on the other?
I think liberalism is understandable for teenagers and college kids, but I believe it's a sign of retarded evolution when people have moved past those years (eg, old man Walter Cronkite, who apparently still is wedded to a lot of the simpleminded biases of his pimply-faced, left-leaning youth).
Worse of all, I've become aware through the years that people who are liberal (and certainly leftwing), and who've remained that way, aren't necessarily even truly compassionate souls (eg Nikki Finke earning from gawker.com the adjective "harridan").
These are all from Nikki's IP again, but I don't know exactly what she's trying to say here. How can you "spoof" an IP? It either shows up as a match on Haloscan or it doesn't. Any ideas?
southpark » cathy, give me your ip address and i'll spoof it, too.
05.03.05 - 10:33 pm
IP: 70.33.122.132
southpark » spoofing ip address
05.03.05 - 10:31 pm
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southpark » you
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southpark » blogging
05.03.05 - 10:29 pm
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southpark » of
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southpark » you
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southpark » cathy...
05.03.05 - 10:28 pm
IP: 70.33.122.132
Sure. You can spoof your own IP address--but it would be very difficult for someone to know ab initio what someone else's IP is. Once you told everyone "70.33.122.132" someone could send packets with that IP address. (By the way, by writing out the IP address, someone malicious might be able to cause some damage to that person's computer, particularly if they are not using a router. I would delete them from the comments.)
Enough of this b.s. It's time to acknowledge that Nikki Finke is on the cutting edge of the horizontal integration of print columnists: multiple column writing under different names. Tired of having cheap editors who have nothing else to do scream about your repurposing of material in other print outlets? Just adopt various column bylines. Example: let's say Cathy has an old George Christie item that is worth about 25-50 cents a word. She could run it under another brand name in another outlet. Nobody gets bent out of shape, checks are cut, bills are paid. What's not to love?
What idiocy. Any known IP address can be forged.
Right now, at least one lousy spammer is sending out hundreds of emails from his account but using my email and IP address in the return. I know because I get about 10% of them bounced back when undeliverable.
You really got to the bottom of this one Cathy. Nice sleuthing. If that is Varsity work, I would hate to see the B-Squad.
What idiocy. Any known IP address can be forged.
How?
I have ten years experience writing websites and their associated software. About all you can do with someone else's IP is clog up another server and make it (vaguely) look like someone else is doing it.
For something more involved, like submitting a form comment, there has to be quite a bit of back-and-forth traffic between the server and the user's machine. If you try to use an IP different than your own machine's, the server's responses never come back to you, the request can't be completed, and the comment's never posted.
And, really, dick, if you can't tell the difference between forged email headers and IP packet headers, you shouldn't be making comments about them. You're just embarrasing yourself.
Right now, at least one lousy spammer is sending out hundreds of emails from his account but using my email and IP address in the return.
Check out spamcop.net - they run a complete IP trace on any spam message you give them and then provide notification reports to the originating ISP's. No matter what fake email addresses, etc. the email header contains, the IP trail always points back to the culprit, not to you.
"Finke must be googling herself at a rate even faster than our beloved hostess."
Sounds rather masturbatory, if you ask me. (Yeah, I know that nobody did)
For something more involved, like submitting a form comment, there has to be quite a bit of back-and-forth traffic between the server and the user's machine.
What are you talking about, dude? Usually it's just one CGI uplink, 'cause otherwise, HTTP being a stateless protocol as you know (having, uh, written HTML or PHP for 10 years), it's hard to be sure you're talking to the same application.
If that's how it's working, it's not hard to spoof the IP return address on a comment. I expect much comment spam does just that. 'Course you have to write the packet header yourself, which means you need to familiar with netinet/in.h and friends.
That said, I doubt Finke has the brains or patience to spoof her IP address. On the other hand, neither is Seipp justified in her smug rejoinder. That particular address looks like an Adelphia cable modem address, which may or may not be static. If not static, it might have been re-assigned to someone else in the hours between the first comment and the next. By me both cats in this fight have more hiss than claw.
Michelle Bega is the rudest person alive! Who do these people think they are. Puke.
Cathorsis,
You don't know what you're talking about. "Stateless" doen't mean there's no back-and-forth traffic. Just because you write HTML and PHP doesn't mean you know squat about networking--you don't have to. You can't forge an IP address and have a TCP session (like HTTP) work. The server would send its response to the wrong place and never get an acknowledgement, and the connection would break. This would be *before* the browser sends its GET or POST, so your comments about single CGI requests are pointless. It would work with UDP, but very little is done over UDP--theoretically you could write a web server that accepted POSTs over UDP and then hack some browser to send them blind, but nobody's ever done that because it would be pointless. That's probably what you're thinking of when you say "stateless".
Besides, how would this person know what IP to spoof? This page doesn't list the IPs, and we didn't know which one she was using until Cathy posted it. Are you saying somebody was determined to embarrass her, so they went to the trouble of finding her IP, and then went to the Herculean effort of posting a comment *supporting* her that looked like the same IP, because they knew that Cathy would notice it came from the same IP and post a comment about it? Why on earth would somebody go to all that trouble just to mildly embarrass Finke, especially since there was no guarantee Cathy would notice?
Your other theory is nearly as ridiculous. You're saying that Finke went in, posted a comment, shut down her machine or went offline somehow, her DHCP lease just happened to expire in the next few hours, and then some other random Adelphia user got that address and just happened to post a comment *in the very same thread* less than six hours later. Uh-huh.
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