Discuss amongst yourselves
You did seem a tad catty, but how else would you have a chance of winning this little contest about which no one really cares? Still and all, the woman is begging for some sort of feline response, and you were gracefully understated. Score a big one for you.
Oh, yeah. First, for me anyway.
The amazing thing about Wolcott is that he actually thinks that Vanity Fair is a serious publication for political criticism. I have been a subscriber for many years and have given gift subscriptions to family females for almost as long. I've been finding fewer reasons to stay as they descended into Bush derangement syndrome and I can't find the light gossip that people buy that magazine for. I would as soon consult Barbra Streisand on grammar. Or the National Enquirer for science news.
I now have a growing pile of "Why don't you renew" mailings at home.
I can't even find Dominick Dunne's stuff anymore for the Joe Wilson puff pieces (pajamas !).
You and Wolcott would have a delightful time, Cathy. He's tons of fun. (Unlike Hitchens, where the major concern would be whether he'd either pass out in your lap or vomit in your face.)
Yeah, I especially liked the pictorial for Joe Wilson and his wife, outfitted in their sports car, with their meticulously coiffed hairstyles flying in the wind.
That's what Graydon Carter deems to be "political" analysis - they've gone quite a ways downhill since the Tina Brown days, no question.
She probably describes herself as 'hot.' [Looks very Joan Rivers-ish.]
"The amazing thing about Wolcott is that he actually thinks that Vanity Fair is a serious publication for political criticism."
Vanity Fair is Maxim for snobs.
"You and Wolcott would have a delightful time, Cathy. He's tons of fun. (Unlike Hitchens, where the major concern would be whether he'd either pass out in your lap or vomit in your face.)"
As opposed to Wolcott, who simply vomits on the page and gets paid for the bile.
"She probably describes herself as 'hot.' [Looks very Joan Rivers-ish.]"
Shades of Wonkette. Not bad. Not a 10, but not bad.
The thumb should have been purple, though, in solidarity with the Iraqi voters.
> Unlike Hitchens, where the major
> concern would be whether he'd
> either pass out in your lap or
> vomit in your face.
Is there any basis for this slam, some private anecdote, or is it just an infantile heart in full screech?
Wait a minute. You dorks are all missing a really important point. Someone in the previous post called me a humorist!
But did they mean humorist as in Mark Twain or humorist as in Gallagher.
Where's my mallet?
And that chick looks kinda hot, if you ask me. True, she isn't on the level of Cathy or Amy Alkon (or as I like to call them, shemales), but she'll do.
Never mind what I said about that lady. I just went to her site. She's still kinda cute, but she's barely coherent and that thumb-pointing thing gives me the willies.
I love James Wolcott. He wrote before his gig at Vanity Fair, and he will continue to write, afterwards. Not narrow, not to be pigeonholed, smart. The comment above saying he thinks he is a political writer. Nah, he doesn't have to think about what he is. He writes about the world. Expansive, generous, gracious. And he is buoyant and funny and wry and dry. His writing is brilliant. So much bile, so much bile.
Wolcott's bio says that he lives with his wife on "Manhattan's Upper West Side with their three ocicats Roland, Jasper, and Henry." I don't know what an ocicat is, but I suspect Wolcott has himself three large & dificult to handle cats, and terrorizes neighbors (& other cats)when he takes the ocicats out for walks!
What's with Hitchen's weird out over placed proam articles in the Iraqi press?
Also, Pam's got some set of choppers. Kinda reminds me of Carly Simon..... mmmmm....
Cathy, you didn't meet Pamela? You were at the same PJ Media party.
The woman looks (i said looks, does not mean she "is") a little manic.
Wolcott sounds like a wanker.
I am sure that only the best sort of persons make a point of identifying themselves by reference to their very specific area in New York City. Perhaps Vanity Fair should change its title to "Vanity,Vanity"
So I went to the site and the first bit that loaded on my screen was the photo with her in the Superman (girl?) outfit. Ummm... and she's complaining that YOU are miscasting her as frivolous or whatever?
Also, looks to me like the thumbs-up thingy (and the big toothy grin, a la Steven Tyler) is an attempt at branding (or a tick).
Meow!
"Perhaps Vanity Fair should change its title to "Vanity,Vanity""
I wonder how many present employees have ever read any of Pilgrim's Progress ?
Or even know what it is ?
The irony of the original name has long been lost.
I find it interesting that whenever anyone takes issue with Hitchens, it usually quickly degenerates into a discussion regarding his choice of beverage, rather than dealing with the ideas he expresses in the books and articles he has written over the years.
I've always found him provocative and well - spoken, even when he was the progressive darling of The Nation.
"Is there any basis for this slam, some private anecdote, or is it just an infantile heart in full screech?"
It's Ehrenstein. What more do you need to know?
Hitchens became the bete noire of the left when he refuted Sidney Blumenthal's lies about not having tried to spread the story that Lewinsky was "stalking" Clinton. This animus is the result of never beeing forgiven for telling the truth and breaking ranks to do it. I've never met him, but I have the utmost respect for him. He wrote from Iraq before making up his mind on the war, interviewing Sunnis, Shia, Kurds, Chaldeans and just about anyone else that he could find. Contrast this with the reporters who never leave the Green Zone. His VF piece on Iran was based on the same kind of first-person investigation. He comes from a very short tradition of leftists who were more concerned with truth than being in the "in" clique, making him of a piece with Orwell, who never let ideology blind him to reality.
I am sure that only the best sort of persons make a point of identifying themselves by reference to their very specific area in New York City. Perhaps Vanity Fair should change its title to "Vanity,Vanity"
Actually, that's a very Manhattan thing. Where you live supposedly says a lot about you, but LA is like that, too.
"I wonder how many present employees have ever read any of Pilgrim's Progress ?
Or even know what it is ?
The irony of the original name has long been lost."
The only contact they have with the works of dead white males would seem to involve trust funds.
Here's another reporter who saw the war and Iraq up close and personal, even accompanying the Marines into Fallouja.
http://www.latimes.com/features/...a-home-
magazine
Of course, like a lot of journalists, he seems to be an independent thinker, which is inconvenient for the Pentagon and partisans alike, but so it goes.
BTW, Cathy, I voted for you (the site doesn't aske for conservative credentials). You are a diva in a good way.
Thanks, Tim! (And to whoever else that voted for me, despite everything.)
No, I didn't meet Pamela at that party. I don't think she was very interested in meeting other women.
I still say that chick is kinda hot, especially in that Supergirl costume, although I think she looks a little like the Joker ( I couldn't tell if it was Photoshopped or real. My eyes aint what they used to be).
But her page was a mess and her thinking messier. She was among that crowd (Mark, Odysseus, et al) whose contribution to debate can generally be summed up as "liberals are stupid because, um, they're stupid and they're liberals and they hate America and I think they're stupid and they don't fool me with their college degrees and their Vanity Fair subscriptions. They only pretend to care about things, but they live on the Westside, so I know they're faking."
I've had a fondness for Hitch ever since he exposed Mother Theresa for being a fraud. And then, of course, he wrote that book exposing Henry Kissinger as a war criminal. Funny how that's gone unmentioned by the screaming hordes around here.
Sure, he's wrong on Iraq, but who's perfect? I mean, besides me.
the photo with her in the Superman (girl?) outfit.
It's a Photoshop. Either that or someone needs to tell Pammy that her "body" has been stolen.
Word at LGF is that nobody gave a rat's behind about her until she started gratuitously plastering pics of her(starf*cker wannabe)-self all over the place (at the suggestion of some dimwit commenter at LGF). That ought to tell you something about the mentality/intelligence of her readers.
Sure, he's wrong on Iraq, but who's perfect? I mean, besides me.
Perfect Soupy? I think you have a bit too much Tobasco but then I've always preferred spicey to bland and bland you're not.
I've always admired Hitchen's sartorial tastes. Same for Bill Gates though smudgy eyeglasses can be problematic.
The Supergirls costume reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Jerry is dating a woman who always seems to be wearing the same dress. He becomes obsessed with trying to find out if she has any other dresses in her closet, or just a rack full of identical outfits "like Superman!"
DE,
Many of us would never even notice the same dress was worn or care much should we notice*. Just like we don't ask for directions.....
*Of course we can't say that as it might reduce the chance of exploring the concealed.
I guess I'm trying to put Ayn Rand behind me, but until I actually looked at Pamela's blog I didn't make the Rand/Atlas Shrugged connection. Pam is a little too taken with Rand for my taste. I did like that final elevator scene in the Cooper/Oneal/Vidor(?) film of Fountainhead. Right up there with North by Northwest and Dr. Strangelove endings. I'm afraid Pamela might still be reeling from the effect.
Ann Althouse's post in yesterday's comments certainly merits at least a few extra diva points.
I have to say, nothing brings out the diva in a girl like a contest on a gay blog with James Wolcott weighing in.
"This animus is the result of never beeing forgiven for telling the truth and breaking ranks to do it. I've never met him, but I have the utmost respect for him."
Then you'll want to read this, ody.
A while back, Pamela attended a "Lizard Meetup" with LGF regulars Iron Fisted, Reagnite and other on the Left Coast, Oakland, or as "Fisted" put it, the "Moonbat Hunting Preserve". She had flown from NYC to attend and hoped to return to NYC via Los Angeles where she would present herself to Charles Johnson as his "birthday present". Alas, it was not to be, and Pamela returned directly from SFO. Before she left, she posted the following message on LGF:
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#67 atlasshrugged 4/13/2005 06:44PM PDT
chunky funkay happenin phat f*cked up brilliant sad disconnected too
connected morally righteous my favorite Rand Hero my favorote
righteous Gentile, the man amoung men, spine of steel, integrity smart
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Charles, Charles Charles,
Happy Birthday to the Man! The Man I wanted, needed and never found
Everybody put on their best aspired attire, but still never acheived dreams
I came for you for you ibut ypu did not meed urgency
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Clearly, Charles Johnson meeded his birthday urgency elsewhere.
:Then you'll want to read this, ody."
Gee, a guy who calls himself the "Yellow Dog Democrat" has something bad to say about Hitchens? Shocking. And Scott Ritter stopped being a reliable source when he was busted for shopping for kiddie porn online. While that puts him in the mainstream of the Democratic Party, some of us find that a bit objectionable.
Once again, Davey, stick to movie reviews.
""This animus is the result of never beeing forgiven for telling the truth and breaking ranks to do it. I've never met him, but I have the utmost respect for him."
Then you'll want to read this, ody.
David Ehrenstein "
I confess that I don't understand Ritter. He had some credibility as an inspector, although was not the chief as depicted by that biased piece.
I don't know if he was bought. It seems possible. There are very few people willing to support the pro-Saddam position that Ritter has taken since the invasion.
He has come to a sad end.
Wilson seems to be enjoying his notoriety but I haven't seen much of Ritter for a while. He's sort of like a deserter who has been repatriated.
Even the lefties seem a little ashamed to be seen with him.
"I don't know if he was bought. It seems possible."
I don't know if ody's bought. It seems possible.
Where you live, in LA? First, it is Los Angeles - if you think where you just happened to alight all of five minutes ago speaks volumes about who you "are", then that stance says much more than said believer would want to reveal. It is elitism built upon a foundation of pure bullshit. Faux-hipsters leading a faux-lifestyle they cannot afford to impress people they do not like (not my quote).
HAPPY WINTER SOLSTICE AND ALL PRAISE TO THE GODDESS ASTARTE!!!!
Now I'm going to sacrifice a Republican on my front lawn.
> Then you'll want to read this,
> ody.
Let's look!
> ...ramrod straight and solid,
> without an ounce of military
> bearing lost in civilian life...
Isn't this the guy who was chasing 'tweener tail at Burger King a couple years ago?
> The best Hitchens could respond
> with was the worn-out story of
> Mahdi Obeidi
...and...
> Hitchens even threw out that
> old neocon line about Muammar
> Khaddafi being frightened out
> of his wits by U.S. actions in
> Iraq and giving up his own
> weapons capability as a result
The piece carefully describes these arguments as tired. Not "wrong" or "disprovable."
Hereafter, the complaints about Hitchens take a worn path: He likes to drink (though it's never caused him or anyone else a moment's discomfort), his magazine has too many pictures of pretty girls, his suits don't fit so well anymore.
Hitchens has been a really fun guy to have around during this crisis; he makes the best enemies.
"He likes to drink (though it's never caused him or anyone else a moment's discomfort)"
Oh yeah? You should have seen him at the L.A. Times book fair this past Spring.
By all means tell the tale; despite the venue, it didn't make the papers. This is my point exactly. When people can't defeat him in debate, they make it personal.
"If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names." --Elbert Hubbard
On the subject of Hitchens' drinking, I'm reminded of stories about Churchill. At one point, Montgomery, a health nut and prig who would be right at home in west LA, said "I neither drink nor smoke, walk every day and am 100% fit."
Churchill's reply, which could have gone on his tombstone many years later, was "I drink a bottle and brandy and smoke a box of cigars a day, never exercise and am 200% fit !"
Lincoln, when apprised of Grant's drinking habits, inquired as to the brand of whiskey he drank so that he could send a barrel of it to each of his other generals.
Allegations of excessive drinking by rivals who are spectacularly less successful than the complained of make one wonder why they bring attention to the fact that the drinker, if sober, would leave them even further in the dust.
They should appreciate the willingness of Hitchens to give them a sporting advantage with his drinking.
You know what I never do? I never read past a sentence contains the phrase, "I'm reminded of stories about..."
Ok, I peaked. couldn't help myself.
I didn't know that about Montgomery. Yes, I guess he'd fit right in with those liberals on the Westside becuase he engaged in that most hypocritcal of liberal activities -- he took care of himself!
Mike, I've been eagerly eagerly hoping Santa would bring me such a wonderful Christmas present and he didn't disapoint. That was one of the most idiotic comment of 2005. Or at least it perfectly encapsulates everything I've been railing against around here. (Well, besides Amy Alkon in a dress): It's empty headed, pointless and just plain ridiculous on its face.
So what, the next time I see a chain-smoking drunk guy, I should go up to him and thank him for being such a good conservative?
How stupid are you?
And, say, if liberals live on the Westside, where do conservatives dwell? East LA? Diamond Bar? South Gate? No wonder they're so cranky all the time.
"Ok, I peaked. couldn't help myself."
A little more information than we needed, but still glad to know you're enjoying yourself.
"I don't know if ody's bought. It seems possible."
See below, Davey.
By all means tell the tale; despite the venue, it didn't make the papers. This is my point exactly. When people can't defeat him in debate, they make it personal.
"If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names." --Elbert Hubbard
You've uncovered Ehrenstein's MO. He cannot reason, but he can string adjectives together.
"Now I'm going to sacrifice a Republican on my front lawn."
I nominate Lincoln Chaffee or Olympia Snowe. Of course, we don't really consider them a sacrifice...
"They should appreciate the willingness of Hitchens to give them a sporting advantage with his drinking."
They don't. It's just more embarrassing when he takes them out while he's three sheets to the wind. There's a great scene in a movie called Streets of Gold where Klaus Maria Brandauer, as a former boxing champ, baits Wesley Snipes with the line, "Drunk or Sober, you cannot lay a hand on me," and then proceeds to demonstrate it. The Snipes character is reduced to snarky comments until he's taken under KMB's wing. I suspect that Hitchens had the same effect at the LA Times party, otherwise it would have been mentioned, and often.
Ok, I peaked. couldn't help myself.
Boy, you really do like Amy Alkon.
All this rancor! Can't we put away our differences just for today?
Can't we all just get a bong?
Wait a minute. Soupy thinks Christmas is a bunch of hooey. (in fact, Soupy is Jewish) Soupy thinks the War On Christas (tm) is the best thing to come along since they started organizing union.
Carry on. And David, mop the floor with 'em.
And Carl Kokchak!! Nice to see you're up and around after all these years.
Fond as we all are of David E, he never manages to mop the floor with anyone.
And you can tell when someone here has hit the mark -- in this case Mike K, with his comment about Hitchens being smarter drunk than most liberal are sober -- because then Soupy crawls out of the woodwork, antennae quivering with rage, and starts calling people "stupid."
And you can tell when someone here has hit the mark -- in this case Mike K, with his comment about Hitchens being smarter drunk than most liberal are sober -- because then Soupy crawls out of the woodwork, antennae quivering with rage, and starts calling people "stupid."
The difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals call conservatives "stupid," while conservatives prove that liberals are stupid.
Lisa!
So good to hear from you. How's the lithium working out?
Well, first off, I never called Mike stupid. I asked him how stupid he was. I'm sure the answer is "amazingly," but let's be accurate.
Your and Ody's quips would have stung if they actually made any sense. Like, fer example, addressing the fact that Hitch slams conservatives probably more than liberals. (read up a few posts by yours truly). Or at least half the time.
And then there was Mik'es brilliant point that, well, I'm not sure, but I think he was saying that conservatives are a bunch of drunks, who chain smoke.
I actually mocked him for it, so you should be thanking me. Not that I want to be tainted with your praise.
I dunno, maybe Ody likes to get soused and imagine he didn't waste years of his life hunting for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But it's not like I'd call him stupid for it.
But you guys keep trying. You get an A for effort.
Cathy,
Face it. You and Wolcott both were just being bitchy. Admit it, apologize, and "move on" (as you lefties say).
As for casting aspersions on other people's intelligence, you're on very thin ice.
If you were truly intelligent, you would counter your opponent's arguments by citing facts, rather than simply spewing vitriol like making snotty remarks about their photographs. It may not be as much fun to argue intelligently, but it's far more effective (assuming of course, that your position can be supported factually). That you choose not to do so says far more about you than about your opponents.
As for Wolcott, he's who I would cite as the canonical example of the difference between one who is intelligent, and one who is merely moderately articulate and using this to affect a posture of sophistication.
"As for Wolcott, he's who I would cite as the canonical example of the difference between one who is intelligent, and one who is merely moderately articulate and using this to affect a posture of sophistication.
J. Random Poster"
I agree completely, although I'm not sure we'd agree on who was who.
I don't use the term "Liberal" for the left. That is a term for people who share a few characteristics with today's left but very few,
For example, the classical liberals of history were in favor of free trade. Today's left supports the present version of the corn laws.
Wolcott can keep a beat, so can Cathy.
Dear J. Random "Missing the Point" Poster:
I never apologize for being bitchy, but I always admit it.
I'm not a lefty.
There are no "opponent's arguments" to counter here, because I don't actually have an "argument" with any "opponent" in this post.
Boy, sometimes I really do think I should color-code these things, as a courtesy to those deadly dull people who wander in here and get confused.
"Ok, I peaked."
Long, long ago.
"Your and Ody's quips would have stung if they actually made any sense. Like, fer example, addressing the fact that Hitch slams conservatives probably more than liberals. (read up a few posts by yours truly). Or at least half the time."
Hitch slams everybody, including Mother Theresa. But the man has a conscience and doesn't tolerate dishonesty. I respect that, even when I disagree with him.
"I dunno, maybe Ody likes to get soused and imagine he didn't waste years of his life hunting for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. But it's not like I'd call him stupid for it."
For some reason, my response was cut off by Haloscan.
Soupy, I wasn't part of the WMD team, and my drinking is confined to the occasional single malt scotch after my daughter is in bed (Mrs. O prefers merlot). My duties in Iraq were operations and planning for the largest base in theater and acting as liaison to our higher headquarters, which was the logistics headquarters for all of Iraq. At the end of my tour, we'd had two free elections (the first ones in Iraq) and were prepping for the third. I'm proud of the samll part that I played in bringing democracy to 25 million people who'd never had it before. What did you accomplish last year?
"I'm not a lefty."
Cathy, you'd be the only lefty writing for National Review if you were.
What did you accomplish last year?
I found out professional wrestling isn't real.
Soupy's one redeeming feature is that on some level, at least, he actually seems to know he's an idiot.
Pamela's blog does get a little on the wild rant-y side sometimes, but her heart's in the right place, and from what I can tell, so are her breasts. She's a hot pro-freedom babe and that's good enough for me.
I was wondering what happend to Corky St Clair after he left Blaine for the Big Apple. Apparently he changed his name to James Wolcott and the rest, as they say, is history.
"Soupy's one redeeming feature is that on some level, at least, he actually seems to know he's an idiot."
Step one is to identify the problem. Soupy now has 11 to go.
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