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Wait a minute.
The article you linked to does not specifically say that it is a Catholic wedding (it would be an outrage). Where did you get that from, Mark?
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01.23.06 - 12:35 pm | #
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I read a few other reports of his remarriage and did not infer that it was Catholic either. Do you know something we don't Mark?
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Michael Schiavo is a dispicable man who knows nothing of the sacrament of marriage or the fidelity of wedding vows.
Whether or not it was a Catholic ceremony, that he had the nerve to pledge his love in front of God irritates me no end.
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01.23.06 - 12:45 pm | #
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Here's the St. Petersburg Times, indicating that indeed, Mr. Schiavo was married in a Catholic church.
Michael Schiavo and Jodi Centonze were married in a private ceremony at Espiritu Santo Catholic Church on Saturday.
Bishop Lynch's diocese, of course.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/
spti...in+private+rite
Dale Price |
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01.23.06 - 1:07 pm | #
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Nota Bene:
Can. 1090 §1 One who, with a view to entering marriage with a particular person, has killed that person's spouse, or his or her own spouse, invalidly attempts this marriage.
Kevin Jones |
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01.23.06 - 1:15 pm | #
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Now wasn't the story that Michael was so hostile to the Church that he interfered with Terri attending Mass? I knew all along he'd have no trouble having a Catholic wedding once Terri died.
May God requite this man exactly as he deserves. The same for those who facilitated him.
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01.23.06 - 1:27 pm | #
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Thanks, Dale. This is truly an outrage.
BTW, wasn't M. Schiavo a Lutheran?
Laucavio |
01.23.06 - 2:31 pm | #
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May God requite this man exactly as he deserves. The same for those who facilitated him.
The neat thing about our religion is that this happens even if he does repent; Purgatory exists for just this purpose. So, pray for his conversion anyway, he'll still probably be getting what's coming to him.
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01.23.06 - 3:30 pm | #
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Jodi Centonze was previously married too, and divorced. How can they have a Catholic wedding?
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01.23.06 - 3:32 pm | #
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I just came back from attending the March for Life and this little news item almost killed the buzz I have going from seeing the wonderful faith exhibited there.
The NERVE of Michael Schiavo to marry in a Catholic Church.
Unbelievable.
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In response to all, but especially Kathleen's comments - I am ashamed to say that I am a member of Espiritu Santo Catholic Church. I have been receiving calls and e-mails from other concerned parishioners since yesterday.
I firmly believe that our Pastor is a coward much like Bishop Lynch, and that this was planned for this weekend when many of our ardent Pro-lifers were out of town at the March for Life. We also have a wonderful, recently ordained priest who would have spoken out forcefully, but he also is in Washington DC at the March.
(I am sure that he will have a lot to say when he returns!) As parishioners, we are at a loss as to what to do - any complaints or concerns fall on deaf ears in both the Parish and the Diocese.
I am so disheartened.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
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01.23.06 - 4:32 pm | #
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There is no reason why you all can't boycott giving ANY money to both the Parish and the Diocese.
I would start by walking out of the parish and telling the pastor why. Also can't a canon lawsuit be brought? I was under the impression if you murder your spouse you CAN'T contract a valid marriage in the Church.
Also let's have the name of the pastor so we may all send letters.
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01.23.06 - 4:41 pm | #
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Send prayers please and the letter be of loving concern, we need to have respect his for his office even if his behavior is reprehensible. I would hate to face God with an action like his on my conscience. Millstones around the neck are always a major fashion mistake. 
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There is no reason why you all can't boycott giving ANY money to both the Parish and the Diocese.
Well ... no reason except that it'd probably be at odds with canon law and the Catechism (the precepts of the Church).
Kevin Miller |
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01.23.06 - 5:04 pm | #
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What about canonical action? Perhaps Pete Vere or someone else might have some perspective here...
Dave Pawlak |
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01.23.06 - 5:46 pm | #
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The perfect wedding gift for Michael and Jodi, the DVD of "Divorce, Italian Style", the story of a man who kills his wife so he can marry his hot teenage cousin!
P.S. I'm being sarcastic.
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Anon for now:
You aren't the bondservant thralls of either your parish's pastor or Bp. Lynch. Moreover, Florida has quite a few Catholic diocese, and some admirable episcopal shepherds--Bp. Galleone, for one.
Bluntly, it comes to this: you have to decide whether in good conscience you can live in a diocese headed by a man who (1) has shelled out six figures to make a sexual harassment claim go away, (2) paid $25 million in no-bid construction contracts to a buddy of his, (3) has provided more sacramental care for Michael Schiavo than Terri, (4) has all but outlawed perpetual eucharistic adoration, and (5) barred Catholic Answers from the diocese's Catholic radio station, to name but five examples of his stewardship. If it were me, I would commute to another diocese until 2016.
Because, you are spot on about the fact nothing at all is going to be done about his leadership. [2016 is when the Bishop turns 75 and is required to submit his resignation.]
Dale Price |
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01.23.06 - 7:55 pm | #
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You can send money directly to the Pope, if you wish.
The question of whether all the priests were involved is important in withholding support from the parish. Perhaps you should save for a period of time to see if appropriate discipline will be applied to the offenders.
Even if it appears to be futile, contacting the parish and the bishop may be prudent.
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Would it be wise to draw this to the Pope's attention, as well? With the gravity of the offense?
Mary |
01.23.06 - 8:22 pm | #
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Anon, ignore the collection basket when it's passed this Sunday. That, and only that will get the pastor's attention. Yes, we have a duty to support the church but one's parish is not the whole church.
dymphna |
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forget that!
canon lawyer ed peters shows exactly how you would go about challenging the validity of the marriage under canon law:
http://www.canonlaw.info/2006/01...o-
centonze.html
Looks like a pretty open-and-shut case to me.
Michael's goose is cooked.
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01.24.06 - 10:03 am | #
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I am also a parishoner at Espiritu Santo Church.
I wish I could say I was surprised to hear of the wedding, but sadly, knowing Bishop Lynch's history, it was no surprise.
I, for one, will be redirecting my weekly donations elsewhere. And needless to say, I won't be giving to the Bishops annual appeal.
I wonder if I should really go down in flames and raise up such a stink over this that I get my children kicked out of Espiritu Santo School. It would be worth it.
gekko
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01.24.06 - 12:22 pm | #
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jimmy akin on his blog has the contact information for the parish. lodging a complaint with them (and the apostolic nuncio - also listed) might be a more constructive approach.
AmericanPapist |
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01.24.06 - 12:57 pm | #
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>Well ... no reason except that it'd probably be at odds with canon law and the Catechism (the precepts of the Church).
I reply: If you say so Kevin. Still people should speak up. Granted you are not going to get anywhere if you bash the bishop(no matter how much he deserves it). But as they say on BABYLON 5 if someone does a foolish thing point it out to them. They may still continue to do it but at least the Truth is where it's suppose to be.
BenYachov(Jim Scott 4th) |
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I think money and social acceptibility are the only things the good Prof. Miller thinks about. . .
Anyway, there's also the issue of Schiavo being in a state of public scandal. I know priests who would refuse to recognize the marriage of anyone who's cohabited.
This is scandal of the worst kind.
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anon for now,
I think the idea of getting as many people to keep the papal nuncio's e-mail, mailbox and telephone tied up about this scandal to the faithful is the best idea of how to go over the head of the bishop. Getting the national news to continue reporting this scandal also might compel the Church to publicly set the record straight. Bloggers have succeeded before. We should make this effort again for Terri's sake. I also thought that, for one, co-habitating couples had to live apart during marriage prep. Also, of course, if the bride is divorced without annulment, this would invalidate the marriage and the papal nuncio should instruct the bishop and pastor to publicly make this known both to the couple and to the scandalized faithful. Another great aspect to the scandal is that the groom here publicly flaunted his disobedience to the Catholic faith by refusing even the visitation by Terri's priest; refusing the Church's teaching about ordinary care; and his public support during and since the hearings (speaking at) of the very powerful euthanasia movement in Florida. If this isn't enough to move the papal nuncio, we'd better move for his replacement as well.
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If you are a member and you don't speak against this, aren't you condoning it?
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