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Mark, I think your explanation is really thorough and convincing. Let me just note that, in my view, you are mistaking "celibacy" with "perpetual continence". |
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Wow! - Gulp. |
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Ah, good old YWAM. I have fond memories with YWAM. I was in YWAM in Copenhagen and it was a good experience which was no doubt part of my formation that would lead me into the Catholic Church. |
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I think we just had the opportunity to read Mark's latest book. |
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Funny, I was just thinking about that "until" thing when I was reading, I think it was somewhere in Matthew 28: |
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Mark, excellent! |
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So, can we copy this and email it to people? |
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Mark: |
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Great Mark! |
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Mark, are you familiar with Luke Timothy Johnson's arguments against Mary's perpetual virginity? |
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P.S.: I love what you've written and look forward to your book. Did I miss where you've given us an ETA for its publication? |
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All good Catholics accept the fact of Mary's perpetual virginity. Protestants could probably accept the fact too if they understood why it was important. Most Catholics couldn't tell you why it was important either except that somehow Mary would have been less holy if she had had legitimate married sex with her husband. The Church doesn't need to defend the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Church needs to defend its importance. |
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Greetings to Mark's correspondents from another former YWAMmer who is now Catholic. On Mary's perpetual virginity, I am impressed by the article by noted Protestant New Testament scholar Richard Bauckham who argues simply on biblical and historical grounds that these "brothers and sisters" of Jesus are NOT children of Mary and Joseph (even though he does not believe in perpetual virginity of Mary!) The article (not available online) is 'The Brothers and Sisters of Jesus: An Epiphanian Response to John P. Meier', Catholic Biblical Quarterly 56 (1994), 686-700. He is arguing against a Catholic Biblical scholar (go figure!) but the point is, simply based on biblical and historical evidence he questions the usual Protestant interpretation of these "brethren" as born of Mary and Joseph. |
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I guess what I'm asking is - not being very familiar with the substance of Meier's argument (and the like) - is it basically the same as standard Protestant objections to this doctrine? Or do Catholic scholars go at it from another angle - in which case, does Mark's book address their arguments? |
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Gosh, just where were all those "brothers" of Jesus at His crucifixion? Why did He have to rely on a friend to care for His (their) mother from that point on? Oh, I can guess...they were off partying with the Magdalene's former group of associates. Well, at least that's another scenario for Opie's DVCII. |
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Brilliant, Mark!! |
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Mark, |
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