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It's always easier to deny that there are bad people who belong to our groups than to acknowledge their presence and do something about them. |
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You need to understand who you are talking about when uou use the term "Moderate Muslim". You talk about antisemitism as an evil. Many of these "moderates" would wonder what is wrong with hating Jews. This distance between us is so large it is hard to even talk. A Cardinal recently complained dialogue about the Koran was impossible because even discussing it was blasphemy to them. We need to try but the gap is huge. |
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The gap is huge. Pope Benedict succinctly expressed the root problem in his call for reason in Regensburg. |
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Let's not forget the past 100 years of Western political powers using the Middle East as their personal playground- they don't call it "The Great Game" for nothing- UK, France et al and more recently the US and Israel have played the role of imperialists- invading, overthrowing, disrupting the sovereignty of nations through neo-colonialism- undermining more secular and moderate Muslim leaders like in Iran back in 1953 - come on Mark can we not take the log out of our own eye here- what we have going on right now is basically a war of jihadists vs. imperialists- we are definitely the imperialists in all of this, the jihadists were supported by the Western powers when the big enemy was Nasser, Mossedegh- the nationalists who could have formed strong rational States in the Middle East- but this would have disrupted the Oil and strategic interests- not to mention Zionist interests that have the most power in our system. Let's call out neo-colonialism simultaneous to the problem of jihadist Islam and consider the historical record as presented in the books- Devil's Game, All the Shah's Men, A Peace to End all Peace- by Dreyfuss, Kinzer, and Fromkin for starters. |
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I don't think there was anything saying fault couldn't be passed around. That the US or Europe could be to blame is mentioned almost weekly, often by Muslims, as well as Americans and Europeans. But it wouldn't hurt, as Mark points out, if those moderate Muslims were more open about some of Islam's darker aspects then and now. |
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Anonymous, the history of jihad violence goes way back before imperialism and oil. Keep in mind that America's very first war after independence was against North African caliphs who considered Christian sailors fair game for taking as slaves under the rules of jihad. |
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