Murmur, Instigate, CLAMOR!!
cnn has lost its mind. on the front page/top of their web site, they are featuring a columnist as a news item too.
glenn beck is another clown who is paid to say outrageous things. maybe the governator will have a reply for him.
I don't consume the fascist fodder.
Jenn !
My hero
Holy moly! Frogman. You're a sight for sore eyes. Good to hear from you.
I read about this and just freaked out. Glad you broke this down.
Isn't Glenn Beck's program dead last? Even that fucker Tucker has ratings a tad higher.
I did see something on MSNBC from Martin Savage just now who spoke about FEMA's response and volunteers working in SoCal. There is no comparison, he said, in one word - infrastructure.
Son of a fucking bitch. Someone should set HIM on fire!
Kvatch, I would argue that Glenn is right, though not in the way he thinks: Isn't putting George Bush in office proof positive that the voters who did so hate America? Or at least the America that you and I believe in?
BTW, glad you decided to stay in the game.
Interesting point, Generik. Still, to have said such an outrageous thing is just too much. Where is the link to complain?
Pansy can I provide the match or if you prefer have an awesome new lighter?
Kvatch!!
Your post portrays Glenn Beck as every bit as hateful as he is. Thank you!
Welcome back, Jenn!
And I had been missing the frogman....
I'm so freaking glad the winds have died down, I can't say.
Bush is the biggest spender since LBJ.
Link provided by my friend, Hawk:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/s...tory/
20767.html
Son of a fucking bitch. Someone should set HIM on fire!
[The Pansy Bastard™ | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 11:48 am]
Look at this, Jump - a man after my own heart!
I love that Pansy Bastard, even if he is a pansy bastard. 
I was thinking similar thoughts, Pansy Bastard the other day. I had to rent a car for a work trip, and tried to leave downtown DC at peak rush hour (my bad). Anyway, traffic was snarled 1000 X worse than normal because the BIG DICK was parading about town in his motorcade, then, closer to the White House, they had all the cross streets closed down because President Shitface decided to go for a joyride during rush hour, and then, to top that off, one of the First Sluts and her 2-SUV entourage interrupted the trickle of traffic.
I went off the deep end. A very long string of loud, nasty epithets poured forth from my mouth as I sat wedged into a lane that was not really a lane, and then I heard a voice:
"Power to the Little People, Lady".
I had forgotten that I had the windows rolled down. I was stuck next to a bus, and the driver heard it all. We had a roaring good belly laugh together. It relieved a little tension.
Wordsmith | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 12:47 pm | #
I know. He's wonderful, and yes, I see just how he delights you...
I have to smile, too.
Ellie | 10.24.07 - 12:53 pm | #
This is adorable, Ellie.
Love it.
I swear, Jump, I think these goons do this at rush hour just to parade their power around and and inflate their authority.
They make me sick.
"Power to the Little People, Lady!"
Woohoo!
I think that will become my tag line, Jump, what do you think?
Ellie
Power to the Little People Lady
lol.
Is a Presidential Coup Under Way?
By Jim Hightower, Hightower Lowdown. AlterNet, Posted October 23, 2007.
The Constitution is being trampled and nothing less than American democracy itself is endangered -- a presidential coup is taking place. Where is Congress?
http://www.alternet.org/rights/65450/
I absolutely adore it, Ellie.
Beck is perfect for CNN, the C.onservative N.ews N.etwork.
After all, they are trying to compete with Fox Noise.
"Fag" Is Turning into a High School Insult for Any Guy Who Doesn't Play Football
C. J. Pascoe, American Sexuality Magazine
Sex and Relationships: The author of the new book, "Dude, You're a Fag," explores how homophobia operates in high school.
http://www.alternet.org/sex/65697/
Christopher!
Hi,
Made me think of Greenman:
Bioneers: Groundbreaking Ways to Repair the Earth
http://www.alternet.org/search.p...water&
Submit=Go
About the "Fag" turning into an insult... That's been the deal for decades. I started high school in '88 and that was what they called me for not playing football. I wish I had my brain and attitude that I have now back then.
Agent,
Time for people to stop that crap.
My sister is a high school teacher. When she hears the word "fag" spoken in class--no matter what she is doing--she stops everything. She brings the whole class together, reviews statistics on homosexuality and hate crimes. Brings out pictures of Matthew Shepherd. Quotes his mom. Tells the kids that their words have great power and that there is no way in the world she will tolerate them contributing to hate speech that is associated with murders like the one that killed Matthew Shepherd.
She does it in each class she teaches.
Once.
She deals it direct, and the kids totally get it.
That's awesome that your sister does that, Jump. Somebody needs to teach these kids right from wrong, and they aren't getting it at home, apparently. Kudos to your sis.
I admire that about her very much, Ellie. We talk all the time about how we work our values into our day to day lives the most effective way possible. In fact, we just talked about this again because she asked me for sources to update her statistics.
I think she is a great teacher and role model. Her kids are quite lucky.
We've got some hate crime going on in my neighborhood recently. My next door neighbors (2 gay guys) have been assaulted three times in a single month by the same group of 3 "kids". They aren't robbing them--- don't ever demand money-- they just jump out of the bushes, or rush towards them, and beat them up. It's amazing because my neighbors are practicing Bhuddists, and refuse to physically fight back, but they are organizing the neighborhood to take it to the Commissioners and the police chief.
What she does is wonderful and effective and rare. And every single person with inclusive values can do this. Unfortunately, we have opportunities just about every day.
Ellie, that's awful. That must be stopped. Gosh, I hope that goes well.
Hi, Jump. How are you doing?
Ellie, Where do you live? Your neighbors should fight back. Never be a victim. That goes for women, too.
I hear the Bushwhore may actually land in San Diego tomorrow and tour the fire damage. Photo-ops galore. I wonder if Speaker Botox will accompany him?
Christopher | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 2:00 pm | #
BLACKWATER?
NIGHTMARE.
Resistance:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/
Ma...otest_0403.html
http://www.democracynow.org/arti...7/04/19/
1349211
http://www.afterdowningstreet.or...g/?q=node/
21858
http://iraqforsale.bravenewfilms...t-over-new-
base
Take Action:
http://www.couragecampaign.org/p.../
StopBlackwater
Makes ya wonder about those arson fires in SD, no? Doorway in...
Christopher,
I am on a Blackwater rant. Kind of nonsequitor...sorry!
I'm better. Much better. Thanks.
It's time for a quote:
"Christianity is the strangest religion ever set up, for it committed a murder upon Jesus in order to redeem mankind from the sin of eating an apple." - Thomas Paine
Jump, A good "rant" is, in my opinion, quite cathartic and aperient.
It does make one consider the possibilities of how those fires got started. Those people in that little town are going to lose this fight-- even if all 800 of its residents protest it.
I'm thinking about not just the way this Blackwater plan will hurt that community environmentally, but just think how the culture of that little village is going to change with all those Blackwater thugs coming and going all the time...
I wish they would stop calling it a "private security firm" and call it what it is-- a group of mercernary low lifes.
Mercenaries on the March...
Yes, let's do bash the "Christians" while we're at it. That's always so constructive and conducive to furthering the dialogue.
Thanks.
Ellie: I agree with the idea of the neighborhood taking a stand. A sort of neighborhood watch might be set up. A physical presence around these guys for a while when they go out. Folks sitting on their stoop. People with CAMERAS ready to catch the brutes in the act.
The bullies only win if the bystanders fail to act.
I know way too many good, liberal, progressive Christian activists to bash them as a group. I do take huge offense at and am willing to bash the "faux faith fundies" and the "rapture right."
Hi, Quaker Dave.
"I know way too many good, liberal, progressive Christian activists to bash them as a group."
Some are in my family and some are on this thread...
I also have KKK Southern Baptist whackjobs in my family, so there you go...
HI, JUMP! How are you and yours?
And thanks for that. I just do wish folks would be a bit more SPECIFIC in their Christian bashing, please. We're not all the same, any more than any other members of any other group.
BTW, I'm plugging this group today:
http://nukefree.org/
Oh, and speaking of "creeping Fascism":
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/...tml?
id=3401687n
Sorry about the ads. It's worth the wait, though. Sheesh.
Dave,
I know. Sometimes I get SO FREAKIN ENRAGED at the faux faith fundies, and I try to be specific about that. I have some family "of the cloth" that have spoken out, protested, and been arrested marching for civil rights, nuclear disarmament, women's rights, and I am pleased to say, gay rights. At the same time, the southern baptist missionaries spout a line to choke on. It's a twisting turning family tree...
Family is good. Sister is fine, the school she teaches at hasn't burned, my mom's house is safe, the revoked the evacuation notice there, and with the wind down, I feel like things are much more manageable. I know what the Santa Ana conditions do to wildfires here, and with so many fires burning at once, I was pretty freaked out.
And the air here is better today...
And, Dave,
I've stepped in it myself a few times, but it's been people like you who have helped me to see it and be more specific in my rants... Communication is good...
Glenn Beck hurts the heart and the head. There is nothing worse then a recovery doper to feed us commentary.
Hey, Karol.
He's a mess! He's like a the fountain of Geneva spewing hate and fear. Not too bright, either.
My questions about Beck are 1) how did this douchebag (not very nice, but there it is) ever get a job, and 2) how does he KEEP one?
JumP: Glad to hear you're well. Holding you and yours in the Light (it's a Quaker thing).
did that representative stark actually apologize for speaking the truth ?
my parents get their news the old-fashioned way: Des Moines Register in the morning, and NBC Nightly News, followed by local news, just before supper.
Yes, he did apologize. And I sent my re-registration form into Trenton this morning.
Got to go: just checking in between laundry and papers to grade.
Stay safe, Jump.
Thanks, Dave. Take care!
Oh, and back to Christian bashing, I have seen how deeply gay people and others have been harmed by fanatical religious groups. I've seen it up close and personal, in fact. I understand exactly where the outrage comes from, I believe it is justified, and I share it. I just try hard to be specific about it.
although the des moines register had a story that the westboro baptist luunies are getting sued by the parents of a dead soldier for invasion of privacy.
Hi, Jenn,
hi jump! stay cool, okay?
i'm just trying to kind of catch up. i feel like i have all these little bits and pieces of everything and i'm trying to put them together again. and of course, there is unpacking and laundry.
beck is a waste of oxygen.
also i saw where blackwater has not been paying SS and employment taxes on their billions of dollars of payroll expenses because they classified all their merc's as 'independent contractors'.
Christ was never murdered because it was God in the flesh relating to the people of the time, and it was a symbolic gesture to show the ultimate sacrifice of one's son to mean that all sins can be forgiven with faith.
Hiring them as "independent contractors" also serves to put another layer of insulation between them and the actual perpetrators-- it's all about having at least three or four layers of "protection" against accountability.
Ellie | 10.24.07 - 3:14 pm | #
Exactly.
Pastor Man | 10.24.07 - 3:12 pm | #
And I thought he was murdered for rocking the boat, challenging the power structure, condemning the greedy, giving voice to the powerless, exposing the hypocrisy, being a heretic...
Thanks, Jenn!
Power to the Little People Lady
LOVE IT!!
Hello everybody. I feel like I arrived late to the party, but I brought a big bag of all-natural gummy bears. 
I agree: Glen Beck is an asshole of the lowest, scummiest kind. CNN should be ashamed of themselves for associating with him.
I agree: Pansy Bastard is the compleat unruly, even if he is a pansy bastard.
I agree: Christianity should not be criticized with a broad brush, but there are some who deserve to be condemned in the strongest possible terms - precisely because their so-called "Christian values" are anything but.
And I especially agree that it's good to see Kvatch back. HI KVATCH!!
jenniloon in slc | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 3:09 pm
Then..... those private contractors should have gotten 1099s.
I'll the IRS is just licking its chops. Ummm, boy!
So, will the IRS allow "business expense" deductions for guns, ammunition, grenades, knives, etc. that these guys carry?
And thank you, Word, Jump for your sweet comments. I am the most foul-mouthed Pansy EVER. My family has a construction and auto repair business. I think it is ingrained, although I swear more than all of them put together.
So, will the IRS allow "business expense" deductions for guns, ammunition, grenades, knives, etc. that these guys carry?
Ellie | 10.24.07 - 3:57 pm | #
I have had a security guard deduct a gun as a work-related expense. Nuts, insn't it!
SBT,
You are all "Yes" today! I've been meaning to ask you....
Made me think of Greenman:
Bioneers: Groundbreaking Ways to Repair the Earth
http://www.alternet.org/search.p...arch.p...water&
Submit=Go
Jump in the Ring of Fire | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 1:14 pm | #
Thanks for that Jump, altho here's the actual link:
http://www.alternet.org/healthwe...wellness/65599/
And they spelled Winona LaDuke's name wrong...
Human creativity focused on problem solving can explode the mythology of resignation and despair. It is this point of view that inspires the annual Bioneers conference that takes place each fall in the San Francisco Bay area, which now streams via satellite to 19 sites across the country. The conference (10/19-21 in San Rafael, Calif.) is a gathering of scientific and social innovators who are developing and implementing visionary and practical models for restoring community, justice and democracy, as well as the Earth itself.
Eve Ensler was particularly amazing.
As was this guy, an Alaskan indigenous peoples tribal chief who's village is in ANWR:
Evon Peter:
http://www.suesupriano.com/artic...icle.php?&
id=71
Our town, Spokane, was one of the remote sites. It was an absolutely wonderful event, and it's less about technology than it is about caring and relationships. Extremely moving.
http://www.bioneers.org/node/2280
Glen Beck is nothing but an asshat. A pox on him and CNN for broadcasting that jerk.
Green!
Looks like I posted the wrong link. Thank you!
And I especially agree that it's good to see Kvatch back. HI KVATCH!
SBT... Good to be back. I figured that in my new, self-appointed, role as a "journeyman blogger" (check out Blognonymous for more on that) the first post should go to The Unruly Mob.
Good Afternoon folks! I see that Jenni was here, sorry I missed her.
Jenni, hope your marathon was great! Where did you finish?
Bush is going to sandyeggo tomorrow on a account of the fires.
Behind a banner of Mission Accomplished, I'm sure he'll tell everybody to just go shopping.
Like I said earlier-- he won't be able to sleep tonight from the excitement of getting to dress up like a Fireman and sit in the big red truck. Maybe if he's lucky he'll see some charred remains of some pets-- that should give the psychopath a real stirring in his loin.
Green,
My bet is that this will be the meme:
San Diego did for itself and took the bull by the horns and didn't wait the for the fed to rescue it. (Unlike those losers in Louisiana).
That made all the difference (not the fortunate change in wind). He, dear leader, brings an abundance of prayer, and a tiny bit of aid.
Blackwater are going to Cali to patrol the streets to protect everyone from looters - feel safe now?
Is that true, Pastor Man? They've called in Blackwater to San Diego?
Blackwater are going to Cali to patrol the streets to protect everyone....
So who is going to protect everyone from Blackwater?
....that should give the psychopath a real stirring in his loin.
I'm sure Bush misses Friday nights in the governor's mansion. You see Friday night is when they carry out executions at the Huntsville, TX facility.
Aw, the good old days!
Okay.....
The Pansy Bastard™ | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 3:58 pm
I can't say I'm a particular fan of public profanity. There is a time and place for everything.
Like that one time I was serving as eucharistic minister and some little ole' guy, I placed the host in his hand and which then fell promptly onto the floor (carpet), to which he said - quite loudly I might add for a Sunday morning - "Goddamnit that's what you get; I didn't want it in my hand." To which I responded, "Then open your goddamned mouth." People were snickering left and right. Fr. Bob - thank g*d it was him! said after Mass, he could hardly keep himself composed AND he absolutely could not look at me.
It was one of things that's out your mouth before the brain has engaged, that gut response.
Pastor Man | 10.24.07 - 4:27 pm
Got a link for the Blackwater story?
Noooo.....
Here's a link about Blackwater's fcaility that folks are fighting to not have built, as well as the relationship to the fires.
http://www.camajorityreport.com/...aid=2376&
ptid=9
Word,
Thanks for the link.
Scroll up.
Jump in the Ring of Fire | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 2:11 pm | #
Ah yes, those halcyon days when the lights dim in Texas for a brief moment, and the citizens can sigh a great sigh of relief that yet another black man will never menace society ever again....
Christ - Aravois is going off on Obama!
WORD,
Actually I can't blame him for that...Obama has been a huge let down.
Pastor Man,
I have looked all over for that article on Blackwater now being active in CA and I can't come up with anything. Please, might you have the link?
Christianity should not be criticized with a broad brush, but there are some who deserve to be condemned in the strongest possible terms - precisely because their so-called "Christian values" are anything but.
Right. Got that. Just be sure to name names, and avoid the broad brush of "Christian," okay? I depend on you guys for that kind of thinking person-type moderation.
As for Obama, he's touring with an "ex-gay" homophobic pastor/singer, so that's kind of the last straw for me with him.
Polly_Tics | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 5:10 pm
I could care less.....I'm not an Obama fan. There's something - 'something' out of sync, out of whack, not "quite right", out of kilter......with Obama. I don't trust him.
Nor do I trust Hillary although I'd vote for her before I'd vote for Obama.
I don't like the attempts to jam these TWO into our mouths. The election is a year away. It's asinine
quaker dave,
ditto, PLUS Obama's response (and lack thereof) just put me over the edge. I won't donate or vote for him now...he seems to be trying to one up Hillary
Expanding the war into Pakistan... being for nuclear power...
Nuh-uh. Not for me.
word,
I agree totally. I have NEVER liked Hillary and just have the hardest time believing the polling numbers on her rise.
It all is suspicious to me these days...I am beginning to think I'm a conspiracy theorist when it comes to this election.
I want GORE, EDWARDS or DODD (In that order)
I've never trusted Obama. Too slick, too GQ, speeches too carefully crafted and delivered. And I really resent him presenting himself as an "anti-war" candidate, and spouting off that he was against the invasion of Iraq. He made a single anti-war speech (that was pretty weak, imo), but has NEVER attended an anti-war rally, and in fact, he has had NUMEROUS war protesters removed and arrested from his office in Chicago (on multiple occasions), and his voting record does not appear to be very "anti war".
I'm not generally a single issue voter, but this time around, it's all about the war, who supported it, who didn't.
Besides, he is a Lieberman Protege, and they came out just a little too hard and pushy with the buzz about him being the next great thing since MLK. Yeah, right.
Polly_Tics | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 5:23 pm
I know......
Ellie,
Surely you don't mean that in toto? Does that mean you would vote for Ron Paul since he is against the war but also would tear this country apart with his other views?
Polly_Tics | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 5:24 pm
Yeah..... Dodd is really impressing me.
Kucinich. Edwards.....
..... Gravel should in the cabinet somewhere!
Ellie | 10.24.07 - 5:24 pm
YEAH!!!! What Ellie said!!!
I think we've discussed Obama in this light before.
Word,
Dodd seems to the be ONLY one actively serving in the government (besides Kucinich) that has the balls to challenge the powers that be on the FISA SPYING resolution.
Man, he got my attention with that move! Heck, that's what the Dems USED to be like...what the bloody heck has happened to them in the last 20 years?
I know Gregory likes Ron Paul, but I think that man is dangerous!
Ron Paul is NOT just the good anti war man you may think he is, this person has some seriously disturbed views on all kinds of issues. Let us discuss...
===================================
Paul supports elimination of most federal government agencies: such as the Internal Revenue Service, the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, the Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Emergency Management Administration, and the Interstate Commerce Commission,calling them unnecessary bureaucracies.
Paul opposes the draft, socialized health care, the welfare state (?), foreign aid and judicial activism.
Paul calls himself "an unshakable foe of abortion" and believes regulation of medical decisions about maternal or fetal health is "best handled at the state level.
===================================
OK, that's just a tiny bit about this man Ron Paul. So perhaps we need to remember ALL there is to a candidate...
As for Obama, he's touring with an "ex-gay" homophobic pastor/singer, so that's kind of the last straw for me with him.
QuakerDave | 10.24.07 - 5:19 pm | #
Me, too. Done with him.
No Ron Paul for me, Polly. I know he is anti war, and I know I declared that I was going to be a single issue voter this time around, but since I'm a "Senior" now, I reserve the right to twist my logic on occasion! LOL! Ron Paul scares me on his other issues.
Latest milestone for me: I got the "Senior" rate at the Comfort Inn in Florida.
LOL Ellie! I had someone at the supper market GIVE me a senior discount without asking for ID!
egads, when I got home and realized what happened I called the store and asked what the age for their discount rating was: I was told 65!
LOL, I'm only 56...now that shook me!
OT, this is one hell of a photo. http://www.crooksandliars.com/20...-on-your-hands/
Code PInk!!!!
I am hoping she just "likes" me and thought it would be a good thing to do for a regular...at least that's what I keep telling myself!
Condi looks like she is biting her tongue and exercising a great deal of self restraint to keep from decking the protester. Oh, wouldn't that have been a sight for sore eyes? The Secretary of State punching a war protester?
Geez, check out that vid at Crooks and Liars of Code Pink. You can't see all the stuff in the background, but it looks like the cops went after the women in the audience just because of what they were wearing at the Rice hearing. They looked like they were just sitting there.
TC-- did you notice how the news article states that "her group’s claim" that bush and rice, blah, blah, blah. As if it's a big lie that bush and rice and cheney and the other fools are responsible for this mess.
It's a tiny little, very subtle way the corporate controlled press manipulates public opinion and discredits groups that dissent.
Hello unrulies!
Polly I'm laughing at your supermarket story. That would freak me out. LOL
Wife Beaters for Obama!
It seems that Obama has now brought another man into his campaign, but this time this one has beaten up women many times...
Obama's campaign is not handling this explosion well at all...it is imploding in their faces...this is really BAD for them
Erin,
yea...me too! Now I always wear makeup when i buy my vegies!@
Chef!
Polly-- I'm gonna start telling me people that I'm 72, and that way they'll get that look of shocked disbelief, and then go on and on about how great I look, and how I've taken such good care of myself! LOL!
Yeah, I saw that. They should have just said she apparently had hiccups when she was putting on nail polish.
LOL Ellie...now THAT's a plan!
So it's against the law to wear pink in a government building now? It sure looks like it from that video from C&L. What would happen if one wore mauve or a dusty rose?
Ron Paul also had some rather disturbing ties to the "patriot/militia" movement back in the day, so much so that the Southern Poverty Law Center mentioned him in some of their reports on that movement.
Lots of "progressives" seemed to have a thing for this guy. I don't get it. He makes Ayn Rand look like Dorothy Day. His religion of choice seems to be fundamentalist social Darwinism.
It seems that the GAO has warned the Bush/Cheney administration that their POOR Firefighting Plans. Sound familiar?
===========================================
The Government Accountability Office, Congress's nonpartisan auditor, issued stark warnings earlier this year on shortcomings in the administration's plans to fight fires.
2007-10-24-fire.jpgIn a June report, the GAO report faulted the U.S. Forest Service, Department of Agriculture, and other agencies for failing to accomplish the "fundamental step" of planning out what assets and resources were needed to prepare for approaching fire seasons.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...us_n_69702.html
===========================================
quaker dave,
Couldn't agree with you more on Paul and I just don't understand why so many progressives seem to think this guy is "one of us"...
Polly: He strikes me as being the kind of guy who'd put "us" all in jail...
It seems that the GAO has warned the Bush/Cheney administration that their POOR Firefighting Plans. Sound familiar?
Heck of a job, boys.
Chef,
Condi is a liar.
In fact, she is a liar Liar of Gigantic Proportion.
It's illegal to protest lies:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r...20070717-
3.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind...&
articleId=1721
But it's not illegal to report them:
http://www.projectcensored.org/p...ns/2005/
11.html
Freedom, on the March...
quaker,
I worry that he wouldn't care who was in jail as long as we left him out of it. He wants to disband the Department of Health and Education for goodness sakes! Can you imagine what jthe loss of just those 2 departments would do to this country? He (like much of the Authoritarian Conservative wing) WANTS us back in the ages where you had to own land to vote. And forget about women's rights...
You can see this guy gets me angry...
It seems that CBS is reporting that Officials are now saying that ARSON is responsible for the Santiago Fire.
I wonder how many more of these arsons we will find?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/
2...in3401265.shtml
Okay gang, it was great to hang out here today. Gotta go. I'm travelling again tomorrow and probably through the weekend. If I can check in I will.
Keep up the good fight, and never, ever forget:
POWER TO THE LITTLE PEOPLE, LADY!
see you ellie, fly safe!
Ellie,
Have a great trip!
Will echo the chant!!!
Editor and Publisher reports that many local CA papers are criticizing the governments response in these fires. Odd, all I'm hearing on the cable networks and online is how wonderful the Governator is doing in fighting these fires.
http://
www.editorandpublisher.co...t_id=1003662254
Have a great, safe trip, Ellie.
Peace, folks. Got to hit the paper stack before the ball game comes on.
Go Sox.
See ya Dave...play safe
Later, Dave!
Condi Rice made a rather mealy-mouthed statement about the Maher Arar case today, the first acknowledgement by the US government that there was anything untoward about taking an innocent man, locking him in a coffin-sized cell for a year, and beating him daily.
' "Our communication with the Canadian government on this [case] was by no means perfect; it was in fact quite imperfect," U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said in Washington.
"We have told the Canadian government we do not think this was handled particularly well … and we will try to do better in the future," Rice said while testifying before the House of Representatives foreign affairs committee. '
'By no means perfect' - WTF!?! The understatement of the century.
BTW, Arar is still being treated like a terrorist by the US government, despite having been cleared by an exhaustive multimillion dollar Canadian government inquiry. He's remains on a no-fly list, is not allowed to enter the US, and has been denied standing to sue the administration over his treatment.
Just another example of the Bu$hCo™ definition of justice.
Details, from CBC.ca
I really like this part: "we will try to do better in the future"
I would laugh hysterically if it didn't make me so sick.
Polly-- I'm gonna start telling me people that I'm 72, and that way they'll get that look of shocked disbelief, and then go on and on about how great I look, and how I've taken such good care of myself! LOL!
Ellie | 10.24.07 - 5:56 pm ]
OHmidog! Why Ellie! What an absolutely splendid idea!
Left!
Comment no. 24 at Crooks and Liars' Code Pink and Condi thread:
I *demand* that the Democrats be forced to apologize for this incident. (Looking at you Pelosi…)
Very quiet. Maybe I should go a-snoozin' already. . .
Tireiron,
quiet day actually.
Or so it seems. . .
Somebody please tell me to never ever again respond to you-know-who at AB. Make it a firm and direct order.
right ?
Sorry.
I meant to write that it's great to see facts put to the idiocy and downright repugnance and utter disgust of Beck.
Er, is this going to be another avarosized thread?
Or rather, aravosized. Anyway, unimportant. Like that Jump person wrote to someone the other night, it's really not that interesting to blog about other blogs. But then I guess this ain't my blog. . .
It is too early to place blame for the response to the fire.
Fires can be difficult to manage regardless of the number of firefighters and/or equipment available.
Emergency response is difficult to plan for. Actually it has been said the the 'plans' are worthless, but the planning process to create a plan is valuable.
Are the SoCal people posting here holding up okay?
Jump? Erin? Anybody?
hi all! watching game. scooba is mopping in the kitchen. i am ready to give up on figuring out what happened while i was gone.
jump has checked in today, gary. erin was just over at ablog.
Hello Jenn! Congratulations.
You are right, tireiron chef.
Apologies everyone.
Sokay mirth...but if needed, I promise to elbow you quietly under the keyboard....
oh thanks gary!
i finished the half in 3:34 - not my best time, but finished with a 5-migraine (medium pain).
i had the opportunity at the pasta dinner the night before to change my registration, then i had a massage.
JENNI,
congrats!
mirth
mirth | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 9:17 pm
you-know-who......doing god-knows what!
I crack myself up sometimes.
There's a nice post up right now at Mirth's place Misprision of Felony. It's depressing how every entity that is supposed to act as a safeguard for democracy and the rule of law has either dropped the ball or is part of the conspiracy.
>Supreme Court - 7 of 9 are Republican appointees
>Department of Justice - salted with 'loyal Bushies.'
>Democratic Party - owned by the same corporations that pull the GOPpers' strings
>MainStream Media - ditto
"Now, as we well know, we're a Lieberman or two away from the kind of one-party rule that'd make Stalin say, 'Goddamn, wish I'd've thought of that.' "
-- The Rude Pundit
ouch SBT!
Truth hurts...
It seems that CBS is reporting that Officials are now saying that ARSON is responsible for the Santiago Fire.
Polly_Tics | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 6:24 pm | #
I think the entire mess was done on purpose. IMHO
joe - what is it distracting us from ?
is it bedtime in iowa ? i am soooo tired.
Aww, I love the Rude Pundit.
People are fucking crazy.
Oklahoma lawmakers are returning copies of the Quran because it "promotes violence against women and children" or some such bullshit. They were given to them by the governor's panel on diversity. Go figure.
I hear various progressives talking up Ron Paul. Jesus! Learn how to read already. GOOGLE and read.
and the hebrew/christian bible doesn't have violence against women or children ?
I would say it could be close to bedtime, Jenn. I know a number of people who go to bed at 9 PM. They stay up late (10) on the weekends. Such partiers here.
Oklahoma. What is the purpose of that state, exactly?
Jenn_my hero
Jenn, I don't understand your question.
9:30pm in Iowa - 30 minutes to curfew
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If the election were held today.... who would you vote for?
http://democracyforamerica.com/pulsepoll
okay joe, we are paying attention to the wildfires in southern california. all the media are there and talking about it 24/7.
what else is happening? if the fires hadn't happened, what would we notice in the news ?
Edwards is 40th? WTF?
Oklahoma. What is the purpose of that state, exactly?
The Pansy Bastard™ | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 10:27 pm | #
The musical, dummy!
You should see Beach Blanket Babylon here in SF - they do a great number where Cinderella is in Japan, and Japanese cowboys, wearing cowboy hats and kimonos appear on stage, dancing and singing 'Yokohama,' but to the tune of 'Oklahoma'
Screw Oklahoma. Try Into the Woods instead.
GarySF,
I have always wanted to see Beach Blanket Babylon...I swear I will make it one of these days!
OOh, Gary! Japanese men in cowboy outfits? Asian men are so attractive, I think. I've never seen one in a cowboy outfit.
But, I've never been a fan of musicals.
[It seems that CBS is reporting that Officials are now saying that ARSON is responsible for the Santiago Fire.]
And I saw a headline saying that people were terrorized by the fire! Must be AQSD--Al Qaeda San Diego!
Pansy, no, the men come in all colors.
However, there are a lot of very handsome gay Asian men here.
Polly, do see it. It is pretty funny.
I am guessing the Gregory saw it where I did - at the Savoy Tivoli, about a million years ago.
I have loved musicals since I was a wee lass. My father hated music (tells you alot about him now doesn't it?) but his mother had a stereo and LOTS of albums, most of which were musicals. I used to beg to go to her house just to listen to them over and over again.
Heck, I used to watch those Fred Astaire musicals on MILLION DOLLAR MOVIE constantly until I had all of the lines memorized. AT least I did that in Summer when it was HOT. They still give me goosebumps...
[OOh, Gary! Japanese men in cowboy outfits? Asian men are so attractive, I think. I've never seen one in a cowboy outfit.]
Here you go.
Polly, I liked some of the musicals and all of the scary movies on Million Dollar Movie.
I remember seeing 'The Crawling Eye' for the first time on MDM.
Bad movie, but Forrest Tucker was a hunk. In Auntie Mame, too.
I found the BBB website. The pictures are hilarious!
I need help troubleshooting the site. It looks like Photobucket is acting up. I can't see the guillotine logo at the top of this page for instance, or the custom Photoshopped lighthouse with the inverted American flag on the parapet. When I try to log on to my account, I am told "You don't have permission to access /albums/n44/gui110tine/ on this server."
So I need to know:
1) do YOU see the images I'm talking about?
2) do any of you have a Photobucket account, and if so, can you successfully log in?
Thanks.
GarySF,
I loved the Crawling Eye, but my favorites were musicals OR those wonderful dramas and comedy's of the 30's/40's.
The wardrobes were wonderful...and the Black and White pix just added so much to the aura.
SBT: i see the guillotine but not the lighthouse w/flag.
2. no clue on the photobucket
can you re-set your photobucket password ?
i love musicals. all of them.
SBT
Clear you cache?
My Fair Lady was a great film, I videotaped it the last time it was on TV. Great songs, acting, ♥AUDREY HEPBURN♥!!!
-Best song: On the street where you live.
Best scene: when Elisa is taken to the horse races, talking about her father pouring gin down her mother's throat. "It was like mother's milk to her." HILarious!
What does the white ho say?
President Bush comes out; we’ll be polite. But frankly, that’s not the solution. How about sending our National Guard back from Iraq? So that we have those people here to help us?
That answer obviously didn’t sit well with Norah O’Donnell, who interviewed Garamendi today for an update on the fires:
Well, Governor (sic), I’ve heard you express concern because of the stress the National Guard, not only in California but across the country, have suffered of the involvement in Iraq. But we heard from Lt. Gen. Steven Blum who said today that there’s still 17,000 National Guardsmen in California; only 3,000 of the are in Iraq. So you’re not criticizing the National Guard, are you?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/20...-is-disastrous/
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishb...rahwh-
thumb.jpg
The logo I'm referring to is normally at the top of haloscan, above the words Murmur, Instigate, Clamor. I'd show you what it looks like but thumbsnap is down for me now too. Which brings up another question - can anyone else see thumbsnap images right now?
It could be that the hardware for both services is in SoCal, and affected by the fires. Speaking of which, any news from Jump? I think Erin is also in that area, yes?
It's definitely not a cache issue, I'm using Firefox and it doesn't seem to have whatever vulnerability IE has in that regard. I'm guessing DNS lookup, or a crashed drive at photobucket.
I'm not getting the yellow refresh bar from haloscan either, but that's always been a 'come and go' feature for me.
SBT,
I can't see ANT thumpsnap images..haven't been able to for the past week or so
tireiron chef | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 10:58 pm
Norah O'Donnel is disgusting. I thought journalists were supposed to be unbiased?
LOLOLOLOL, oh yea, LOL now that's funny!
sbt: jump was in earlier today , up thread. erin was sighted over at ablog at suppertime
well, time to cook...see you all later!
yawn. i am going to try to sleep. sweet dreams, all . . .
Good night, Jenn.
The Savoy Tivoli!
That takes me back..........
This whole fire thing, and the allegations of arson in the Santiago fire bring Naomi Klein's book about the disaster industry to mind. After all the clusterfuck in Iraq was to enrich Big Oil, Halliburton, Blackwater, and other Bush-friendly corporations. Why not start a giant fire and then offer some more no-bid, cost-plus contracts to your friends? These guys don't care who dies, if it means money in their pockets.
I'm becoming a little cynical about the whole thing.
SadButTrue | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 11:00 pm
Just got the yellow bar - that comes and goes.
Thumbsnaps are out. Gravatars aren't.
Can't see habeas corpus and top of the comment thread pic either.
No photobucket account, I don't think. I'll check.
OK, thanks Word. I just noticed another lacuna, the 'button' image for My Thinking Spot, which is on another Photobucket account. So that means that it is definitely ALL of Photobucket, not just my account. The fact that no-one else is seeing the images is what I was really going for. If it was just me, it could have been either my browser, or even a problem from my ISP.
There was a time that my ISP's DNS server was misconfigured, and I would intermittently be denied access to large portions of the web. I had a heck of a time convincing the pinheads at the help desk (in India, of course - most of them could barely speak English) that it wasn't a problem with my machine.
mirth,
Whom I respect, admire, and very much enjoy...
Chefness,
G'night, Jenn!
I see the guillotine. I'm imagine it's occupied by someone making a smirk, too.
If you've got the time read Deepak Chopra's post at HuffPo, about America's ruling class.
"When a governing class develops in a democratic society, it loses contact with the people who elect it. In many ways America is burdened with such a class, which has amassed power over the past fifty years, until it arrived at a place where its right to rule goes almost unchallenged.
[...]
An unexpected benefit of the Bush years is that the ruling class may have gone too far. A culture of corruption binds Congress and lobbyists to an unheard of degree. Bill after bill, earmark after earmark, has blatantly served special interests. Both parties are guilty of kowtowing to money and the corporations that dispense it with shameless abandon -- the buying and selling of political favors has never been so outrageous. Influence peddling, once a crime, has become the norm."
Wars to cost $2.4 TRILLION and we STILL can't cough up a measely $35 billion for our OWN children?
Gary,
Well, I talked to my mom today. The winds have died down and that has helped. Sounds like the big fires are no longer threatening densely populated areas, but there are still some spots that are in danger. She said the hotel in the Harris fires is still surrounded by fire and still at risk. There was some concern about the different fires merging--total inferno. That would be bad.
The fires started Sunday and Bush is taking credit for sending help Wednesday? Sorry, but.... what an asshole.
Air is still super crappy here. The air was yellow-orange all day today. Super eerie.
I'm imagine it's occupied by someone making a smirk, too.
The Pansy Bastard™ | Email | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 11:41 pm | #
We're going to hell. In a handbasket. It's only a matter of time.
Tonight, I am placing the blame on those who watch mindless things like RAW and Dr. Steve-O.
What in GAY-HELL is wrong with the Internet tonight? It's so fricken' slow, it's starting to remind me of those dial-up days.
Jumpness.
[The fires started Sunday and Bush is taking credit for sending help Wednesday?]
I solved the mystery of who shot Abe Lincoln last week. I have some pretty solid evidence.
"I solved the mystery of who shot Abe Lincoln last week. I have some pretty solid evidence.
[tireiron chef | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 11:54 pm]
I invented the wheel!
For some reason the patent office isn't treating my application very enthusiastically. 
Saving North Dakota? From what? Empty space?
I just don't understand these neocon ass-hats. They make no sense. Their logic is fatally flawed. I inadvertently clicked on what I thought was a NEWS story, but, was a post on some TheirGod-forsaken whacko blog. My biggest clue was a headline at the top of the page "President Bush has shown that he can be empathetic, sensitive and decisive."
How in hell does a news search turn up a right-wing blog?
Liberal media my ass.
"Air is still super crappy here. The air was yellow-orange all day today. Super eerie."
[Jump in the Ring of Fire | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 11:44 pm]
Any hardware store will sell you those disposable paper masks people wear when using a belt sander. It would at least cut down on the particulate matter.
I found this contraption in my apartment when I moved in that can turn plain tap water into ice cubes.
I think this is a really important device that helps with disaster preparedness. If you run out of water then you can get some of those ice cubes, and when they thaw, you've got water.
lol, TC!
SadButTrue | Email | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 12:06 am | #
Should have bought one Monday. Tomorrow, I think I will.
["President Bush has shown that he can be empathetic, sensitive and decisive."]
It's true. He met a roast pig last summer in Germany.
Chef...
AHHHH! Now they've got a DENTIST saying he's a member of the "RAW FAN NATION." Jesus Christ.
Jump in the Ring of Fire | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 12:10 am | #
The first one.
I know. I have a small air conditioner in my tiny office here, and I've been running it, 1) because it's blazing hot, but 2) because they recommend it for filtering air.
I can feel the crap in my lungs. Feels awful.
Drinking lots of water (thank you, Gregory!).
Fake Al Qaeda
http://
www.whatreallyhappened.co...akealqaeda.html
I am relinking this because in what has to be one of the lamest attempts to exploit a natural disaster in history, the Bush administration is sending up trial balloons trying to claim that the wildfires running out of control in Southern California are a terror plot by Al Qaeda!
Folks, the fires are out of control because just as was the case in Louisiana, Bush slashed funding for needed infrastructure in order to spend on his wars. In Louisiana it was neglecting the levees. In Southern California it was neglecting to clear dead brush from high risk areas, plus the funding for needed water drop aircraft was cut. and in both states, most of the National Guard and their heavy equipment are in Iraq.
So now Bush, in order to save his sorry ass from the consequences of having AGAIN gambled with a major American city AND LOST, is trying to pin the blame on "The Toilet."
Illegal,
He's a jerk. And if you know anything about Santa Ana conditions and wildfire, you don't wait 4 days to send help.
And yeah, infrastructure is weakened everywhere. That's the largest part of the problem, and we are all at risk because of it.
Like that one time I was serving as eucharistic minister and some little ole' guy, I placed the host in his hand and which then fell promptly onto the floor (carpet), to which he said - quite loudly I might add for a Sunday morning - "Goddamnit that's what you get; I didn't want it in my hand." To which I responded, "Then open your goddamned mouth." People were snickering left and right. Fr. Bob - thank g*d it was him! said after Mass, he could hardly keep himself composed AND he absolutely could not look at me.
It was one of things that's out your mouth before the brain has engaged, that gut response.
Wordsmith@Work! | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 4:54 pm | #
HILARIOUS!!!
Illegal, Dick Cheney knows EXACTLY where the terrorists are: in the areas North, East, South and West of Fallujah.
Somewhat.
If you will.
SadButTrue | Email | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 12:20 am | #
Stop... ...
Hi, green.
Illegal, Dick Cheney knows EXACTLY where the terrorists are: in the areas North, East, South and West of Fallujah.
Somewhat.
Isn't that the shit? According to Tricky Dick, there's Al-CIA-Duh in our garages, backyards, local grocers and at your local McDonalds.
Hi Jump.
Catching up, par usual.
Illegal, Dick Cheney knows EXACTLY where the terrorists are: in the areas North, East, South and West of SAN BERNARDINO!
Somewhat.
If you will.
SadButTrue | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 12:20 am | #
As Frank Zappa wailed:
60 MILES OUT DOWN THE THE SAN BERNARDINO FREEWAY!
The rest of their lives
In San Ber'dino
Gonna spend the rest of their lives
In San Ber'dino
Gonna spend the rest of their lives
Down in San Ber'dino
Come on with me
Come on with me
Come on with me
Down in San Ber'dino
Just 60 miles, 60 miles
Down the San Ber'dino freeway
They got some dark green air
An' you can choke all day
That's right!
Gonna spend the rest of their lives
Rest of their lives
Rest of their lives
Zzzzzzzzz. . . .
Chef,
Night-night. Sleep well.
Yeah, Smile, and the gormless Mainstream Media chew it up and spit it down the necks of the ususpecting public like some grotesque mama vulture.
How about the Colin Powell slideshow with drawings of semi trucks in the desert, somehow identified as 'mobile chemical weapons laboratories'? Give me a frickin' break!
Look at the google map image of the Hoover Dam - it's a popular location,and you can zoom in to google's highest resolution. You can easily identify individual vehicles, and one imagines that the milspec KEYHOLE spy satellites allow you to nearly read the license numbers if at the proper angle.
But can you tell what's inside any of the trucks? NO, of course not. From an overhead shot, you are hard pressed to differentiate an ice cream truck from a hearse. And yet PROMINENT, RESPECTED 'JOURNALISTS' spew these stories over the airwaves like they had some credibility.
Check this out. h/t Bill W. in comments at C&L (he did another guest post there today.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r...h?
v=rUiNiB2yVCQ
Yeah, I saw bill w. Great post. He's good.
I'm a fan of bill, I confess.
SBT- To wit:
Latest OBL tape: newsroom computer system sound in background?
http://www.infowars.net/articles...7/
241007OBL.htm
They are reverting to just audio now, since no one believed the fat Osama.
Iraqi blood is 'on your hands,' anti-war protester tells Condi
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
arti...007_b_blood.htm
Condoleezza Rice appeared agitated but generally unfazed when an anti-war protester waved blood-red hands in her face, accusing the secretary of state of being a "war criminal."
"Blood of millions of Iraqis is on your hands," the protester told Rice, who was President Bush's national security adviser when he decided to invade Iraq.
"War criminal! ... War Criminal!" the black-clad, "blood"-soaked protester screamed as authorities dragged her from a hearing room on Capitol Hill. "Take her to the Hague."
"They are reverting to just audio now, since no one believed the fat Osama."
[illegalsmile_420 | 10.25.07 - 12:45 am]
After 9/11, the American people simply believed anything they were told without question. I'm getting the sense lately that that is finally beginning to change. Good, but is it too late?
"Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear"
-- Bertrand Russell
"Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources of cruelty. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom.
-- Bertrand Russell
I don't know that the American people have conquered their fear, but clearly many of them now fear Bush's excesses far more than any external terrorist threat. In essence they recognize that Bush is indeed the world's chief terrorist.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
-- Abraham Lincoln
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Beautiful, Sad. It continues to be pertinent today.
Karol,
He's the quote master. Between he and Christopher, we are always blessed with someone's brilliant words.
SadButTrue | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 11:33 pm
Dave -
I even switched browsers and it was the same.
SadButTrue | Email | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 10:46 pm | #
I love her. Love that film. Exquisite.
"Words, words, I'm so sick of words" always reminds me of Bush.
My 'meta' quotes:
"The wisdom of the wise, and the experience of the ages, may be preserved by quotations."
-- Isaac Disraeli
"The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit."
-- Somerset Maugham
I would have thought pouring pig's (pigfucker) blood on Condi would have been appropriate.
SadButTrue | Email | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 1:15 am | #
Oh, you can be so funny sometimes...
SadButTrue | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 1:02 am | #
It's hard to say. Something's coming, I can feel it in the air.
"Words, words, I'm so sick of words" always reminds me of Bush.
Jump in the Ring of Fire | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 1:14 am | #
Words scare Bush, as does horses. What a little bitch!
[Wordsmith@Work! | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 1:10 am]
Thanks again, Word. I determined some time ago that the problem was at Photobucket's server. The only thing to do is wait, and they will fix it eventually.
Why is California burning? In a private email, Australian investigative reporter Gavin Gatenby offered an important perspective, which he has allowed me to share. Gavin speaks as "a former National Parks and Wildlife Service firefighter who was a spokesman for the NPWS during the big bushfire crisis of 1994 and during subsequent fire seasons."
We cannot pay for a proper number of firefighters because our taxpayer dollars are going to Iraq. Our homes have been sacrificed and our wallets robbed to pay for a misadventure perpetrated by a president whom most Californians despise.
In fact, nearly 38 million people live in California. The butcher's bill for Iraq comes to $8000 for every man, woman and child in America. (That's a national average; in real life, Californians pay a far larger amount.) Do the math: If each Californian annually devoted one-tenth of that figure to fighting fires and other natural disasters, we would have $30 billion more to spend on our needs.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2...rnia-
burns.html
Sorry so long, I thought you might need this.
I knew the reputation the US had for its absolute lack of resources for wildfires but I really had no idea it was as laughable as it is until I read on MSNBC just now that California had just 4800 professionals and 1400 "seasonals".
Population, what 30 mil? Unbelievable.
"Words scare Bush, as does horses. What a little bitch!"
[illegalsmile_420 | 10.25.07 - 1:20 am]
Not so much the words as the ideas behind the words scare Bush.
Remember when he was caught wearing a wire during the debates with Kerry? Ideas and arguments, indeed cogent thinking are foreign to him. His life experience has been that all things will be taken care of by Pappy - which is why he has no concept of responsibility.
Oklahoma. What is the purpose of that state, exactly?
The Pansy Bastard™ | Homepage | 10.24.07 - 10:27 pm | #
Oil.
On CNN's website there was a quote from the San Diego fire chief to the effect that the fires would not likely stop 'until they reach the ocean.'
Scary.
Yeah, I read that. Hoping that changed with the wind change.
30 BILLION for Israel? Trillions for more war? No problem!
Money for our children and the families in California? Fuck off.
Does nobody remember the old saying, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"?
It gets back to Naomi Klein's theory about the disaster industry, Halliburton, Blackwater, et al. The pound of cure is much more profitable for the Bu$hCo cronies and affiliates.
SBT,
Research has shown that for every dollar invested by the US government in natural hazard mitigation programs--a la FEMA--a savings of $2.5 is realized.
I don't know if the link is online, but I have the hard copy.
It's really true.
Oh, and that's the most conservative estimate. They actually believe the return is higher.
Prevention is not favored.
Short term profitability is.
Yes, green...
It's only good to spend public funds when the funds are being transfered into private hands.
Rice says Iran an obstacle to U.S. goals
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071...go_co/
us_iraq_6
Since the United States is not IN the Middle East, I can understand why those people who ARE in the Middle East are not too eager to have the US decide their future, considering how Iraq turned out.
Rice's statement is a huge slip-up. It telegraphs not only a huge arrogance of purpose by the US, but effectively admits that Iran will be invaded for reasons unconnected to the claims that they are interested in nuclear weapons.
[Jump in the Ring of Fire | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 1:38 am]
Yes, and there are many other areas where the government's money can be well spent (as we know in liberal Canada.)
Spending a few thou on a child's education and training could increase his lifetime income by tens or even hundreds of times that amount.
Spending money on things like healthcare and a social safety net reduces the feeling of desperation that leads to crime. Our crime rates BTW, as with most of the world's, are a fraction of those in the US. With 5% of the world's people, the US has 25% of the world's prisoners. How is that defined as freedom?
And of course, infrastructure is always a wise investment.
Smile, you know I'm a Canadian, right? We are not only geographically, but politically and culturally the closest country to the US there is. In fact I doubt there are two countries with such close in the world (except maybe Australia and New Zealand.) Still, the phrase 'arrogance of purpose' really rings an alarm in my mind. It sounds like an extension of historical American arrogance embodied in things like Manifest Destiny and the Monroe Doctrine.
I recently watched a segment of Bill Maher that had Janeanne Garofolo on it. She declared that she was indeed a citizen of the US, but considered herself ethically to be first and foremost a citizen of the world. That is almost the default position for Canadians. I was watching this by myself at home, but I nearly stood up and applauded Garofolo on the spot.
And just to be clear: most of us, myself included, love America. Or at least we love the concept of America. I particularly like your Constitution, and adore the sentiment behind the Declaration of Independence. Unfortunately, like with some elements of Christianity, the concept is sometimes diametrically opposed to the reality.
One more quote and I'm off to bed.
In theory, theory and practice are very alike. In practice they can be quite different.
Nice, SBT.
Night-night. Stay warm up there, chilly neighbor.
Sleepy...
Chilly here too, like Winnie the Pooh's blustery day...
'course I'm only a 100 miles from those commie pinko bastards in the Peoples' Republic of Canada...
Green,
You make me laugh.
My pleasure, jump.
Fox Noise never misses a chance to frighten as it entertains.
According to Steve Doocy, a morning anchor on Fox and Friends, the network learned "police officers in a hovering helicopter saw a guy starting one of these fires."
An "ominous" FBI memo from early this past summer has "popped up," and "an Al Qaeda detaineee" has said that the next wave of terrorism could be a series of wildfires.
Yeah, Chris I just saw a trailer on CNN that says Glenn Beck is covering that 'aspect of the story.' These guys are totally shameless propagandists. Joseph Goebbels would be proud to see his playbook being put to use so assiduously.
I declare shenanigans.
SadButTrue,
I blog about Fox Noise every now and again. They're amazing and like you say, shameless.
Recently, they had this extended segment on people who saw Pope John Paul in a flame. A few months ago, the were chirping about a "Mary raisin." Yep, the faithful reported seeing the Blessed Virgin in a raisin.
Soon they will be reporting new evidence that the world is indeed, flat.
Since I surely know someone who knows someone who knows someone who has probably been in telephone or email contact with someone in Pakistan, who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who has something to do with Al Qaeda, I might have ties to Al Qaeda, and I think part of the terrorist plan to destroy America is to say stupid and inflammatory things on your CNN show.
So let's arrest the guy already.
Calif. Fires May Be at Turning Point http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar...16D51.DTL&
tsp=1
See? We're defeating terrorism. We just need a little more time in Iraq.
Since I surely know someone who knows someone who knows someone who has probably been in telephone or email contact with someone in Pakistan, who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who has something to do with Al Qaeda, I might have ties to Al Qaeda, and I think part of the terrorist plan to destroy America is to say stupid and inflammatory things on your CNN show.
So let's arrest the guy already.
tireiron chef | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 9:36 am | #
Hell, you're probably next after him!
And now me, for responding to you, mentioning him.
Greetings, NSA, FBI, CIA, Chimpy, Darth Cheney - let me send a warm greeting your way. FUCK YOU. I meant that with all Christian love and kindness, of course.
"Fox Noise never misses a chance to frighten as it entertains."
A few months ago I made Fox a set of graphics to save them some time:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/edn...696307996/show/
"Gay Marriage: Could Your Children Be at Risk?"
EdNSted, Dude, these are brilliant. Very well done!
Quite awesome, EdNSted!
EdnSted is always awesome.
i love my dentist, and i hate dental work. :-(
and iowa guys: Des Moines was a wonderful host city for the marathon events!
i love my dentist,
Just make sure she/he's not a member of the RAW Fan Nation!
New thread ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good Morning!
Ed, ROCKS!
Hi, All.
he's not PB. he did mention the higher suicide rate among dentists, from inflicting pain . . . i told him he's saving lives (cardiac stuff and pregnant gals).
I wish my dentist would commit suicide. I'm about 30 seconds away from filing a malpractice suit against him.
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