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Dig up Barbara Woodhouse! |
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Too funny! I've never heard of her, but apparently she had fun training the owners before training the dog. |
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Barbara Woodhouse was a TV celebrity long before the Dog Whisperer. She was a big believer in choke chains and in how well dogs react to the consonant "t" ("WhaT a nice dog.") And when she would walk with a dog, she'd always start off by saying, "Walkies!" |
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The Dog Whisperer is a pussy cat compared to Barbara Woodhouse. |
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Some bans do call for killing animals. Denver, for example, called for destruction if found. As such, there was a move to start the underground doggie railroad and local vets started listing dogs that were PBs as mixed breeds. There is no scientific way to determine a dog breed and dogs share over 99.99% of their genes with other dogs and wolves. |
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It's hard to say whether or not loving owners of pit bulls in cities known for banning and killing them when caught fall into the same camp as owners who cannot control them in the first place. Either owner seems to not care for the dog's life or the actions taken by the majority, as represented by their elected officials, to ban them from their neighborhoods. |
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"Either owner seems to not care for the dog's life or the actions taken by the majority" |
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I want to ride on the underground doggie railroad. But what's next? A doggie botanist named Barker T. Washington? |
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Your link to the Ordinance isn't working. |
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OK, try it now. |
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If the Tennessean is correct, and Putnam County wants to model their ban after Sparta's, it doesn't look like you would "have to put Mrs. Wigglebottom down" under such an ordinance, does it? |
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The Sparta ordinance clearly "grandfathers" dogs who were in the town at the time the ordinance was passed. The ordinance is poorly drafted in that its leash and muzzle requirement in section 303(2) by its plain language applies even when the animal is indoors, which is clearly not its intent, and also in that its reference to "laborer" in section 303( |
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Thanks, yes. It works now. Seeing it all spelled out makes it clear that such legislation is designed to make it cost-prohibative to keep the dogs and the lengths to which one must go to meet the conditions of the statute are clearly punitive. |
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I think the point of those seeking a ban on pit bulls is that it does affect them. Most people going out of their way to ask elected officials to ban pit bulls in their neighborhoods have had loved ones mauled or were called to the scene of maulings. Others who support the ban see pit bull owners acting irresponsibly and are seeking to prevent tragedy. |
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And most people who go out of their way to ask elected officals to ban gay marriage hate gay cooties. So, that's OK too, right? |
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"Majority nonsense is bogus" would make a great caption for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's next campaign for President of Iran. Maybe he can quote you |
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We don't live in a democracy, though; we live in a republic. We have a republic, in part, to protect the rights of the individual against the occassional idiocy of the masses. |
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'In a democracy, majority rules.' |
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Aunt B. makes a good point, Christian: Why are you questioning the patriotism of pit bull owners? |
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Because, Rob. You are either with us or with the pit bull terriers. Seeing that some supporters of pit bulls don't even believe we live in a democracy, engage in name calling and distract us with gay marriage, it looks like the proposed ban will be a complete cake walk. |
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Aunt B., access to government doesn't make me right. The facts make me right. You claimed a proposed ban on pit bulls (like Sparta's) would result in the death of your pet. You said so here: And, Mr. Grantham, would you be standing there with me if I have to put Mrs. Wigglebottom down, should your wish for a breed ban go into effect or do you prefer to hide from the pain and suffering that would result from you getting your way? I called an elected official and provided you the text of Sparta's ordinance that says nothing about killing pets. In fact, your claim that a ban would lead to Mrs. Wigglebottom's death was just an emotional strawman arguement against the proposed ban. Rather than address the concerns of those who propose the ban, you want to talk about gay marriage, the right of women to vote, segregation and some belief we don't live in a democracy. SayUncle, you said I'm not addressing better arguements against the proposed ban that were "presented" to me. I'm happy to, but not only have I not seen them, you call me "dumb," talk about gay marriage and rant about how we don't live in a democracy. If I've engaged in any of those tactics with either of you, please point it out because I have a pretty good track record of being respectful and trying not to look so silly in public. I'm sure Rob has photos to the contrary, but maybe he'll save those for later. |
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We don't live in a democracy. I'm not distracting you. I'm pointing out you're full of it. You're either dumb or willfully ignorant. |
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In considering a ban on pit bulls, it would be well to keep in mind the words of Pastor Martin Niemoller. To paraphrase him: |
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SayUncle, I'm happy to address arguements against a proposed pit bull ban, but I don't think reiterating how "dumb" you think I am or how you believe we don't live in a democracy is helping. |
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I don't care anymore. You've had the opportunity to address the ban here or at aunt b's or at my site. You've never done it other than to try the lame majority rules argument and calling them vicious. Obviously, you're incapable of it. |
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If a civics course will teach me how having a constitutional republic with democratically elected representational government is an arguement against banning pit bulls, I'll think about it. |
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You are either with us or with the pit bull terriers. Seeing that some supporters of pit bulls don't even believe we live in a democracy, engage in name calling and distract us with gay marriage, it looks like the proposed ban will be a complete cake walk |
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Katherine, apparently the entire city of Sparta does, too. At some point you have to acknowledge that a majority of people simply don't like pit bulls in their neighborhoods. They can't all be the moral supremacist you claim they are. |
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almost certainly is intended to refer to "harborer," as in section 307. The requirement in section 305 that puppies be removed at six weeks of age also seems a bit draconian; eight or ten weeks would be more reasonable. But despite these flaws, Mrs. Wiggleworth is safe.
