i dispute your translation.
the demand of hamas is not that it recognizes annexation of east jerusalem and parts of the west bank in order to receive international aid. if your interpretaion were true, that would mean if hamas (along with meeting the other 2 conditions on violence and past agreements) says they recognize the right of israel to exist but only in mutually agreed borders that aid would remain frozen. i see no basis for thinking that to be true.
one may think that hamas should not recognize the right of israel to exist in any way shape or form, but that is the recognition demand of the international community, no? and the one that would bring foreign aid back.
this is my interpretation anyway.
how can ayone recognizes a country without permanent borders and still expanding . who is going to recognize Hamas ? first stop the occupation and then we ll talk about recognition.
It is almost like the palestinians are asked to recognize the rights of their Jailer and abuser before THEIR rights are recognized .
fatima,
Excellent comment; you hit key points.
About the foreign Aid , it is wrong what the Civilized nations are doing , US and EU , punishing collectively hundreds of thousands of palestinians . what is happening in Gaza is a war crime , punishing a whole Community for choosing the Agenda of Hamas which is :fight for the right of the people FIrst and second before anything else.
Hospitals lack medicine , children are dying without oxygen and basic medicine and life threatning diseases, people are straving over 70% of palestinians are now below poverty line and what do these western nations do? (along with the fatso cowards ) they wait until Hamas recognizes Israel . Shame , shame on ALL of them.
Feed the kids, help with the medicine , distribute food, pay the teachers to teach , pay the doctors to do their jobs , help with petrol so people can go to work , pay salaries so people can clothe their children and pay their bus fare , but threaten Hamas in another way if you want them to sit down and talk , dont punish the people .
Thanks for your thoughts Fatima.
"how can ayone recognizes a country without permanent borders and still expanding ."
In theory one could recognize Israel's right to exist within the Green Line while simultaneously rejecting their right to occupy land beyond that. This to my understanding is what the Prisoners' Agreement does implicitly. Though, if I've interpreted it correctly, the wording is vague so as to also allow room to interpret the call for establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza not to equal recognizing Israel inside the Green Line- thereby enabling Hamas to sign off on it.
The word "recognition" is an indirect way of addressing the real issue it means i.e. that the Palestinian nation will relinquish claims to territory that is accepted and agreed as Israel and that the struggle to destroy Israel (not just the people but even the political state) will cease. No doubt an emotionally painful thing to do for many Palestinians. Even for the many that could do this, they think as you say, Fatima, well first tell us where the boundary of the territory is that you want us to agree to give up claims on, prove to us our other rights are protected and then we'll see. Even so, they're still able now to say "We recognize Israel. But not to exist in territory we don't agree to and without other rights protected."
The importance that is being placed on Hamas doing so surely rests on their founding charter calling for the destruction of Israel and the creation in its place of an Islamic state. Now that they're the majority of parliament, there is obviously skepticism on the Israeli side recognition and peace will ever be attainable. (Ironically, Rantisi hinted it could be granted in the future before his assassination. I believe he hinted anyway.)
I wonder if a loophole has been floated such as Hamas formally stating that the question of recognizing Israel is not up to us but the Palestinian people as a whole. That would leave room for a peace agreement that could include mutual recognition to accompany mutually agreed borders, mutually agreed solutions on all issues and a mutual end of violence. Thus, if the Palestinian people approved such a deal, Hamas would already have commited to accept it no matter how they felt about it as an individual political party.
I don't know for sure a peace deal can be reached but feel it's closer than in the last five years.
> In theory one could recognize Israel's right to exist within
> the Green Line
Beggars, thieves and murderers only have the right to exist in pri-
sons or camps - not to run a 'state'.
This jewish state on arab land - an unevitably racist and terrorist
state - is simply doomed to fail - sooner or later.
Califoria,
You've written some good comments, and asked good questions.
europe(zion sucks) just answered them.
> that the Palestinian nation will relinquish claims to territory that
> is accepted and agreed as Israel
It's a mistake to 'accept' fascists or to 'agree' with them. History
has proven that extremely well in the case of Israel - a state led by
professional liars that used a nobel-price awarded peace plan, to
double the number of their criminal squatters.
Appeasing fascism is useless.
Asked and answered. Thanks.
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