What are Hezbollah's and Hamas's strategy for business development, education for information age jobs, and facilitating entrepreneurship? Just imagine if Hezbollah and Hamas became richer and more successful than Israel and Dubai. Then Israelis would be begging Hezbollah and Hamas to let them emigrate to their countries, invest in their countries, collaborate on product development and marketing with these countries. Israel will do almost anything Hezbollah and Hamas want.
Many Israeli Palestinians are very successful (look up the senior management of many of Israel’s VC backed companies.) Hamas can do it.
Palestinian pundit, maybe you could lead a delegation to silicon valley encouraging them to invest more VC dollars in Southern Lebanon and Gaza.
Currently VCs invest more in Israel than any other country per capita. Israel owes its success to its Palestinian citizens. There is no reason why Hamas and Hezbollah can’t do better.
Anand
You seem that you have just landed from mars . how can you expect Hamas to be successful when it has zero economy and Israel wants it that way , they are unable to export or import their goods , the gates are all locked up , they dont have a port or an airport or a single plane , they rely on donations which have been stopped for 2 years now , even Islamic charities that give them zakat are forbidden from doing so , when Israel a strong economy and arms exporter still get 3 billion a year from the US tax payer , plus large generous donations from all jewish groups , and donors , and Jewish agency and Jewish artists , and it still receives Compensations from Germany and Austria etc... no wonder they are doing well .
Hamas fishermen can not even fish in Gaza s sea because the Israeli gunships are not very far and have been targeted , most their homes have been destroyed (after many of them spent their lifesavings on them )
please be realist , dont compare someone totally isolated and a rich economy that is independent and supported by the US and the European Elite .
in Lebanon , hezbollah has built and helped the south but has been destroyed a few times by israel , after israeli troops left lebanon (after a 20 years occupation) lebanon spent large amounts of money to build but , you must have seen the destruction in summer 2006 , hope you have seen honest unbiased sources .
Fatimah, the tradedy of Lebonan in 2006 was awful. :-(
Hamas' and Israel's lawyers should agree to a statement that Israel interprets as:
1) unambiguously supporting Israel's right to exist
2) condemning all attacks against civilians
3) extending the Hutna for the intermediate future.
4) protect all Isreali/foreign citizens who visit Gaza, protect all foreign property in Gaza.
In return, Hamas should ask for:
1) huge economic grants from the rest of the world
2) free trade, free investment agreement with the rest of the world--including WTO entrance
3) business and employee visitation and commuting privileges with Israel proper.
4) full sovereignty inside Gaza
5) dual citizenship (Palestinian/Israeli) for many people.
Then Hamas should focus on becoming richer than Israel. In 1953 South Korea was one of the poorest countries in the world and almost completely destroyed. Hamas has a long road ahead of them. But I believe that they can do it.
This guy Anand was sent from the Mossad to waste our time with retarded questions.
Fatimah, about 1/5th of Israeli citizens are Palestinian sunni arabs. Many of them are very successful. Many of Israel's PhD candidates, professors, intellectuals, leading technologists, entrepreneurs, VCs, corporate executives, entertainers, artists, doctors and lawyers are Palestinians. These Palestinians have relatives in Gaza. If they can do it, so can the people in Gaza. One example is worth a million words. And there are many successful Palestinian examples.
Look at the example of Fatimah. She endured far more dire challenges than the people of Gaza, and she overcame them to reach heights beyond imagination. She was in the words of the prophet the second holiest woman ever born. Her example can inspire all of us.
Obviously, Israel should give up the West Bank too. A successful and prosperous Gaza would go a long way toward achieving that important objective.
Fatimah, you are right that Israel isn’t helping Gaza. This is wrong. As friends of Gaza, the West Bank and Israel, we have to urge Israel to live up to their own better angels. To live up to the amazing values and goodness of Abraham, Moses, Elijiah, Elisha, David, Solomon. We need to inspire Israel to do the right thing.
Fatimah, if you say I am naïve, then guilty as charged. It is far better to be err on the side of optimism and believing in others, than fall pray to pessimism or cynicism.
Just imagine an alliance between Hamas, Mossad and Hezbollah 
What amazing things could they accomplish together.
But Mossad shouldn't engage in negative activities with respect to Palestinians and Shia. Mossad has to change.
Anonymous, don't you like to dream? Don't we need to dream sometimes?
When you "make friends", with your oppressor, they only oppress you more.
" When you "make friends", with your oppressor, they only oppress you more."
Let us reflect and contemplate on this.
I don't follow.
MLK made friends with whites. Gandhi loved the British, and wanted India and Britain to be friends. The Dalai Lama wants to be China's friend.
Love thy enemy. Respond to anger and oppression and exploitation with compassion and kindness. This is what I think. But I might be wrong.
A rich and successful Gaza, West Bank and Lebanon benefits Israel. 1 + 1 = 3. I think that most Israelis would be willing to sacrifice to help their Palestinian and Lebanese brothers. They need to be summoned to a higher calling.
Please note, I am not trying to argue . . . only to understand.
Please tell me not to comment here if I offend you.
Anand, I am telling you to please not comment here.
I think V stands for vacuous.
By the way, someone has begun to impersonate me here (I would say David, and they are probably congenital "twins" - note there is no link to my site; if it really is the same David that posts here, he is just about displaying ignorance). Of course, anand does not live in a fairy tale state, he is a consummate liar. Their (or his) hatred for me is apparent, they cannot stand the absolute verbal thrashing (he, they) receive.
Perhaps the most important aspect of their "praise" is -
"4) full sovereignty inside Gaza..."
In other words, no right of return, along with the bold faced lies that are so natural for Zionist Nazis.
Israel has NO RIGHT to exist in its current state, as long as the majority embrace Zionist mantra, it is a racist state - a white supremacist entity - it is an armed forces with a state and not a state with an armed forces. In fact, the majority of Jews along with hold hold nothing but disdain for this entity (if they are honest).
Attacks against civilians is the common stock of the Zionist pigs, whose mental state remains that of kuckers. Foreign citizens have never been in danger in Gaza, except for the Zionist targeting of activists, reporters, and international observers. Fatima was very clear on how ridiculous it is, under the current state of affairs, to say that the Palestinians will become "rich."
The "free trade and investment" option is proffered while forgetting the occupation, and a wall makes it serpentine swing to the detriment of any viable existence for the Palestinians. Oh, and we all "believe" the dual citizenship line...LOL Frankly, what the writer depends on in the absolute ignorance of a reader, or likes to strain the bonds of credulity to the breaking point.
As for the state of Palestinians in Israel, one has only to look at the fate of Azmi Bishera, or to get some factual presentation -
THE ARAB ASSOCIATION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS INSIDE OF ISRAEL
Also, read what the VISION is for Palestinians inside of Israel, and that compare this to the lauding statements about the state of the Palestinians in Israel made by anand, he will be seen instantly for the liar that he is -
The principles of an ethnocratic system include:
1. The control of an ethnic group on the State system.
2. Focusing on ethnicity (and religion) and not citizenship, as a basic principle
of the distribution of resources and abilities and undermining the “people”
(citizens in general).
3. A gradual ethnic process of politics based on ethnic classes.
4. A permanent state of instability.
5. The ethnocratic logic provides tools for understanding societies that prefers
one certain group over others; it also dominates the dynamics between
different ethnic groups.
* This document depends to a research presented by Dr. Asaad Ghanem and discussed by the group.
Hardly the appeal of happy "PhD candidates, professors, intellectuals,
Cont'
intellectuals, leading technologists, entrepreneurs, VCs, corporate executives, entertainers, artists, doctors and lawyers ..."
If what I said is not clear I can elaborate, especially about the employment state of Palestinians inside of Israel unable to enter most lucrative fields, the schooling inferiority, the theft of land by Zionist zoning, etc etc.
Nope v, I didn't think it was you. Notice I used V in my reply and not v. Worry about your own ignorance, thanks.
Oh, almost forgot a link -
THE FUTURE VISION
"Nope v, I didn't think it was you. Notice I used V in my reply and not v. Worry about your own ignorance, thanks.
David | 06.26.08 - 9:57 pm |"
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Ah, well than you should have not been so subtle, with punctuation, and clarified that you did not believe it was me. We are not used to such subtleties, discerning the difference between capital and minuscule - I don't buy it.
Besides, I think I know what your beef lies with my views of the good ol' USA (which you previously invited me to rant on about - as if nothing that I said held any weight), and maybe with my views of the Palestinian / Israeli issues.
Either way, instead of snide invitations to "carry on" debunk what I say, try to factually disprove what I have based on multiple facts (ergo, try to say the Arab Association of Human Rights does not know what it is talking about, or the vision paper is spurious; or that my imprecations regarding the founding fathers of the United States like Madison, and his polyarchy is not true - or that we do not have a problem of elites ruling the majority, or that the National Security State needs to be shut down, do it with facts). Quaint and cute retorts do not suffice.
I don't see how you were confused by punctuation, I don't owe you a flipping thing, don't use the word "we" when you're refering only to yourself, and the words you were grasping for are "lower case".
Very little you write holds any weight. Mostly a mixture of conspiracy theories, your personal world view, with a little bit of what was once called "kremlin watchers" back in the good old days.
Once in a while I'll follow one of your links; are you aware that they don't always make the point you think.
Thanks for your honesty David, now specifically attack anything I have written - try starting here. Quite frankly I do not give a damn what you think, you are into making handles for spurious charges - to be quite clear, someone who fancies himself a critic with no apparatus for any statement you have made. Did your little world get disturbed? Is your personal peace and comfort threatened? So far you have pulled the predictable out of your rear. No arguments, no facts, no statements of continuity worth an empirical damn - just disapprobation for who knows what.
The "we," are people who understand what I a writing, quite clearly in circles a majority - "you" are an individual who carries no drop of any value in a perceived bucket! What conspiracy theories you baboon? The Kremlin Watchers (?) - now you pull an association from thin air.
My world view is quite provable, factually, irrevocably - and to be clear, those filled with canons more of fodder than you have been turned into babbling fools in debate. Want to try it novice?
You do not need to follow any links, because apparently you are struck with a reading deficiency disorder - it is called blind prejudice, fallacious fabrications, a veritable cornucopia groundless vilification. Not one drop of factual statement - oh, and God Bless America, God Save the Queen, I am one of the "chosen people (sarcasm) ," there is no future for hard heads like you...LOL
Prophesy
LOL
While I am at it, back to the subject of the Palestinians inside of Israel, lets look at human rights -
THE STATE OF HUMAN RIGHTS IN ISRAEL AND THE OCCUPIED TERRITORIES
Do I detect Zionist rage?
Not buying into your nonsense is not the same thing as being a hyper nationalist. Once again, still not Jewish.
If you think you've been attacked you're a very sensitive person.
You don't know what a "kremlin watcher" was, do you?
"My world view is quite provable, factually, irrevocably"
Anybody with that much zeal is bound to be wrong.
Since you shared your opinion of me, allow me to share my opinion of you.
Let's see, college dropout. You went through an existentionalist phase, followed by a nihilist phase. You finally made it to anarchist, probably because it provides a political cover for your personal failings. You probably think you were smarter than all your professors. You either have never had an economics course or you didn't understand it.
You're very into academic type speak and revolutionary jargon.
Yeah right David, mental pipsqueak. Abracadabra, oh it all so. You are not worth responding to, begone. There is no need to prove anything to you, because you have it all figured out. I am addressed other issues, this is the end of personal exchange - if you want to address me, stick to the subject at hand.
Now, back to our little anand for a moment. What most miss is the obvious underlying assumption in his comments. It is a form of presupposition, a sleight of verbiage.
Note carefully that it is built upon the premise that all of the Palestinians woes are their own fault. The Zionists were bequeathed land that was not theirs by a colonial imperial force - but it is the Palestinians fault; you are under murderous occupation, but once again, it is your fault; we attack you deeply and daily, and when you react, well, it is your fault; we have done everything we have so far in a genocidal move, however the reason you have not advanced is your own fault.
It is your fault that you have not recognized our obvious "superiority;" it is your fault that you have not groveled at the feet of our power; it is your fault that you have adopted the view of the known world for the right of return, instead of turning Gaza into your garden of eden; but I am reasonable, you should probably have the West Bank (sure, but try to forget about 1948 and all of the ethic cleansing), but it is your fault because even though we attack you daily, cut you off by land air and sea, have destroyed large portions of your infrastructure, it is still your fault.
I am willing to admit the tragedy in Lebanon was awful - 
But is was Hezbollahs fault, follow the above line of argumentation.
v, I never wrote anything that supports your above rant.
As I told you before, I'm not Jewish. Not zionist.
You never brought up a subject. No issues at all. You're the one who started the insulting, I merely responded.
"My world view is quite provable, factually, irrevocably"
Irrevocably? I'd say you're the one who thinks he has it all figured out.
I am not Zionist and i am Jewish, i was talking about myself. However, you perceive, or think you perceive things that are not extant.
I brought up the subject that that our mutual buddy anand was full of it. You started with the garbage of "V" stands for vacuous, and you thought it was me that made the comment - don't give me the nonsense of the capital and the minuscule again.
My world view is what it is because of undeniable facts, empirical evidence. However, you went off on some silly jag of pop psychology - you were WRONG on all counts. Your reason for postulating that tripe was not because you thought it was true - but because you want to personally degrade me, and this because if you and I stood toe to toe on any fact or discipline, INCLUDING ECONOMICS you proverbial ass would be grass. So, do you want to get into an economics argument? Just try it.
Let me introduce you to your legacy, the mundane, predictable, non-critical , mentally mealy and self-absorbed world you live in -
GET IN LINE
You're really thick, I made the comment V stands for vacuous because I thought the comment V made was stupid. No, I did not think it was you.
You made a comment to me about being Jewish as in "the chosen people" and you certainly were not referencing yourself.
"I stood toe to toe on any fact or discipline, INCLUDING ECONOMICS"
Game on, v.
"I brought up the subject that that our mutual buddy anand was full of it. "
Wrong again, I made my comment directly following V's comment, and prior to anything you wrote in this entire chain of postings.
You made you comment at V, that is how you started - you just elaborated your nonsense as you continued. I am Jewish, ask anyone in here, and I was most certainly referencing myself but also the "idea," like god bless America, and god save the queen - you represent all of those quips, ironically -
Go find a hobby that your good at, your arguments suck. In fact, you are not arguing, you do not even know what a reasoned, critical argument is, let alone the performance of such. In fact, you fit the American perfectly - long on boisterous senseless screed, short on any substance. I'm sure you can find someone to swallow you self-importance, go seek them out.
v, wow. I am confused by your responses.
To be clear, I was expressing my ideas. Many Americans and Israelis ridicule my ideas much as you have (although with a different emphasis.)
There is plenty of blame to go around between Hezbollah, Israel, and Hamas. I was not trying to apportion blame. Israel has made many mistakes that have significantly contributed to the suffering of her Palestinian brothers.
v, let me issue you a challenge:
Please look up all the recent VC rounds of financing in Israel. Please look up the executives, technologists and managers of these recently funded companies. You will see that many of them are Palestinians. I live in silicon valley. Many Palestinians (and Lebanese Shia) here are very successful. And they get along great with Jewish Americans and Isrealis. On the people to people level, Israelis and Palestinians are very much alike. In fact, they often love each other.
I haven’t attacked you or your intentions and integrity. You don’t know me. Why are you attacking me?
I made my comment at V, not v. You just assumed I thought it was you.
If you were as smart as you think you were you wouldn't have assumed, you might even have asked me.
If you were even smarter, you would have asked how I knew it wasn't you.
And you made no comments prior to my first comment, which everybody can see by reading the comments.
And you were not referencing yourself about being Jewish when you made the comment "the chosen people".
And after challenging me to debate a subject, you don't have the balls to do it.
You know what anand, why don't you take a trip to Israel and try to see the occupied territories. Your observations about Palestinians abroad are not germane, if they are not filled with a disingenuous intent than they are the product of severe ignorance. VC rounds not withstanding, they are dung, in the current reality on the ground. Do you have any idea how many of these projects lay in ruins? I don't think so.
Perhaps I was giving you credit for a devious intention, when all there was to be had was ignorance. If this is the case I apologize, however it is your duty to look at reality squarely in this territory, and to make the comments you did Fatima was right to question whether you came from another planet or not. You have a lot of studying to do, especially making reference to the "many" mistakes of all as you call them. Do you think we are talking about kids in a playground spat? Do you think we are talking about equals as far as aggression and power? Do you think that when Israel says it wants its existence acknowledged that it means "see me?" What do you think the Palestinians vow to attack civilians will accomplish, peace?
In the first six months of the second intifada the Palestinians committed themselves to non-violence, and the ratio 1 to 3,4 escalated to 0 to 10! Honestly, you, and people like David, need to stay in your rarefied protective bubbles rather than posting what you do, and removing all doubt of your fallacious thought processes. Do individuals like you go to nuclear science forums frequented by doctoral scientists to proclaim your ignorance?
"And you were not referencing yourself about being Jewish when you made the comment "the chosen people".
And after challenging me to debate a subject, you don't have the balls to do it."
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The reason I did not mention the first part of your screed is because I told you to stop using that silly argument. Secondly I used the "I am," in reference to myself, it matters little to nothing at this point if you believe me. Third, the issue of not engaging has nothing to do with balls, it has to do with your lack of brains. Catch me at the World Economic Forum if you want to make a fool of yourself, this is not the venue, and you are not worth the effort.
This is what you said.
" Not one drop of factual statement - oh, and God Bless America, God Save the Queen, I am one of the "chosen people (sarcasm) ," there is no future for hard heads like you...LOL
"
Unless in that rant you were also refering to yourself about "God Bless America" and "God Save the Queen". You were not referencing yourself. You still live with your parents, don't you?
"Catch me at the World Economic Forum"
You'll be protesting outside?
On second thought David, debunk this economic observation. Keep in mind that this was written on April 17th, 2007, and reflect on the fact of the coming economic freight train. There is a forum for comment at my site, come get some, I will respond and you will be undone -
GAP BETWEEN THE RICH AND POOR WORLDWIDE YAWNS
Knock yourself out, but keep in mind I will be gone starting tomorrow, until the following Monday with no time to address this till than. So try not to claim victory from hot air.
v, we can't debate this particular cartoon as we are in agreement.
We could debate "The Tyranny of oil" as I don't think speculation is the main problem. Part of the problem, but not the main thrust.
"Catch me at the World Economic Forum"
"You'll be protesting outside?
David | 06.27.08 - 3:14 am |"
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No, at the economic alternatives tables, buffoon.
The alternative being Anarchy? Good idea.
"The alternative being Anarchy? Good idea.
David | 06.27.08 - 3:35 am "
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Oh, so you are now an economics expert in regard to the Anarchist position? Why don't you explain Parecon principles to me big mouth. Do it without a reference to Google...lol
Bloviating wind bag...lol
Hell, you do not even know what Anarchy is, let alone its economic deliberations. Get back in your box.
v, if you knew anything about Economics, you would not be an Anarchist.
Have you ever started and run a business?
Anarchy doesn't have any serious economic deliberations.
Enough of this, goodnight, I have a taxing schedule this weekend.
"v, if you knew anything about Economics, you would not be an Anarchist.
Have you ever started and run a business?
Anarchy doesn't have any serious economic deliberations."
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You are a certified idiot, "no serious deliberations," I can see you are an expert on anarchism, goodnight...LOL. By the way, none of my personal failings have anything to do with my bank account, I have never worked for someone else, and have always been self-employed. Goodnight.
You'll never make people react in the way Parecon principles would demand. People aren't robots, pumpkin. I doubt you would actually do it.
I think you've always been unemployed.
Good Night.
"You'll never make people react in the way Parecon principles would demand. People aren't robots, pumpkin. I doubt you would actually do it.
I think you've always been unemployed.
Good Night.
David | 06.27.08 - 3:53 am"
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There is no robotic principles in Parecon bumpkin. However, there is plenty of "robotics" in hierarchical capitalism. In fact, it is very unnatural to human behavior, this is why it has produced elitism as well as death and destruction. Now you feign expertise in human behavior, and please don't use "human nature," that is another myth of stricture used as both excuse and simplistic crutch.
Really David, there is nothing like starting an analysis with something totally off the wall that has nothing to do with the subject at hand, but you seem to have developed expertise in this futile exercise. Your type of criticism evolves from embracing a system created to enslave you, in fact you seemed to have found comfort in slavery. You are not unique in this, but just the run of the mill unthinking corporate mentality - unable to lift yourself from that which is familiar. Out of hand rejection (because you have grasped nothing about this subject) is just a defense mechanism, because you are trapped in a futile one-upamnship, being contrary to convince yourself that you are "superior" and have "won." The truth of the matter is you have won nothing, you just keep making a fool out of yourself, and than gravitate back to a form of personal denigration - your penchant for ad hominem would not only make you a laughing stock in formal debate, but gives you that false sense of security you crave for some reason. You love making off the wall remarks, just to avoid the substance of any matter. I am off now, and here is a good illustration of your "argument" -
LOOK AT ME, I AM AN EXPERT IN ARGUMENTATION
LOL
v, you started all the personal denigration.
"your penchant for ad hominem would not only make you a laughing stock in formal debate"
Right back at you v.
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