How do you think would be pissed?
This isn't how you should choose a candidate. The voters should make that decision, not the party. In the Soviet Union, the party told the public who to vote for. In America, the DNC didn't endorse a candidate in 2004, because of how pathetic it would look. Wulsin, Sanders, and every other candidate have been screwed because of this weak attempt for unity. Tim Burke should know from 2004 that the "most electable" candidate is often one of the weakest candidates.
You know, Tim Burke's done such a great job getting Democrats elected in Cincinnati -HEAVY SARCASM-
In all seriousness, I for one will not be supporting Hackett after this most recent atrocity. He's just not a true Democrat, I agree with Steve on that. I realize Sanders is not a viable candidate, but I will be supporting Wulsin. She is a true progressive, who supports unions, women's rights, and universal healthcare. If Hackett gets nominated, I for one won't be voting in August.
If Wulsin is so supportive of the Unions, why did they endorse Hackett?
hackett supports women's rights including a woman's rights to choose and the guy is about as progressive as they come...he has been driving a hybrid since 2000
Dem,
If not voting is your way of showing that you do not support the Party's endorsment, then you should be ashamed. Vote for who you feel is the best candidate. But, do not not vote to make a point. All that proves is that you care about nothing.
Does Hackett have a website?
It's important to remember that Charlie Sanders gladly accepted the Party endorsement in both his 2004 primary race against Mark Crummie and general election race against Rob Portman. Charlie's a very nice man, but being a nice person doesn't win an election.
To accept endorsements one year and then complain about it the next because it doesn't go your way is pretty childish.
Anonymous, not voting is my way of saying I won't put up with choosing between the lesser of two evils. Call me idealistic, but I don't like having to choose which candidate ticks me off the least.
www.hackettforcongress.com
But Dem, you said you were supporting Wulsin. I am confused. Are you now telling me that Wulsin is evil? I think that your argument is flaw and you should back-off and consider what you are trying to say.
I'm going to support Wulsin, because I think that she is the best candidate for SW Ohio in terms of healthcare and jobs.
If she's not nominated, I'm going to find it very hard to support a candidate like Hackett.
Sorry if I confused you.
Sorry Dem, but she wasn't nominated.
Are you saying Hackett was nominated? Pride cometh before the fall.
Hey all, I've heard a lot about Hackett's whiz kid campaign manager. I was just wondering if anyone could provide me with information on him, along with what other campaigns he has won?
Bottom line-Burke is an autocrat who does not want any dissent. He would have been great in the old Soviet Union. Burke must be replaced, and soon, by someone who understands true democratic values.
Fire starter,
What the hell are you talking about? Burke has made great strives in the Hamilton County Democratic Party. And why do you call him an autocrat? At every Democratic Party meeting I have sat in on, Tim Burke has allowed everyone to voice their opinions and make their case. He runs all of the meetings with no bias and rarely interjects his opinion. I feel Tim Burke has done an excellent job in running this Party and I hope he continues to step-up and push our Party to be the best it can be. If you feel he is not doing enough or be autocratic, then become a member of the Party and have your voice be heard.
Anon, he sure has. Just look at all the offices the Dems have won under Burke. And don't give me the song and dance about how the party was worse off before he started. If a football coach took over a 3-13 team and went 6-10 for six straight years, he wouldn't be keeping his job. Burke's one concern is keeping progressives out of the party.
You have to admit that the months following the 2004 Presidential Election, Burke has stepped-up and assumed a far better leadership role.
Dunno why it keeps double posting on me. Anon, I hope you realize this is the same Tim Burke who oversaw leaving Kerry off the absentee ballots in SW Ohio.
Erich Streckfuss - I might be wrong (but I don't think I am) but didn't the party endorse BOTH Sanders and Crumie last year for the Primary. In addition, he had name recognition and shown Party loyality for years. Where is Crumie? It is not unheard of for the Party to endorse the returning candidate (i.e. Greg Harris vs. Richard Lerner) in a Primary.
Also I don't hear Sanders complaining. Most of the static is coming from the other camps.
Erich Streckfuss wrote:
It's important to remember that Charlie Sanders gladly accepted the Party endorsement in both his 2004 primary race against Mark Crummie and general election race against Rob Portman.It's more than a bit deceptive to suggest the goons who run the Hamilton County Democratic Party endorsed Sanders in the 2004 general election race against Portman. Sanders faced opposition in the primary and defeated him, that's how he got endorsed -- by Democratic voters.
Charlie's a very nice man, but being a nice person doesn't win an election.Can't you think for yourself? Parroting lines spoken by John Cranley only prove what many people already believe about you -- you are a stooge, a puppet, a tool, and a sissy being passed around like a prostitute by your pimp Tim Burke. Grow a pair already?!? And for God's sakd be a man and get off your knees!
To accept endorsements one year and then complain about it the next because it doesn't go your way is pretty childish.This is great. The childish kid is lecturing adults about being childish.
Erich Streckfuss | 05.27.05 - 4:30 pm
Erich still doesn't understand (or maybe he just doesn't care) that what he did hurt the Democratic Party. Hamilton County Dems have a history of letting white Republican office-holders (the supposed enemy) run unopposed in general elections. Then, when a Black Democrat steps up and says I'll take on the fight, unless they are an "acceptable" and passive Negro, whites rally together to defeat them. Too many white Dems would rather see a white Republican win the office than a Black Democrat. (See, Streckfuss v. Oba; Strickland v. Coleman; Pepper v. Mallory; Mann v. Bowen; Harris v. Livingston)
No wonder why even though 65% of eligible Black voters voted in Nov 2004 compared to 59% in Nov 2000, Republicans gained votes in the Black community. Let Ken Blackwell win the Republican primary and Coleman lose (because white Democratic bosses won't clear the field for the better-qualified Black candidate) and just watch the results! And watch what happens if Pepper goes up against Winburn here in Cincinnati.
Nate, I agree that what Burke is doing is totally wrong. This may sound idealistic, but is there any chance that Wulsin and Sanders could form some sort of coalition a la Edwards and Kucinich in Iowa?
idealism? we're talking about the 2nd congressional district in ohio. get over yourself and help us out.
Hackett isn't earning any fans by having guys like you blog for him, anonymous.
Well, Nate wants to make this about race...I'm sure we're all shocked. And what about Harris v. Livingston? As I recall, you wouldn't put your money where your mouth was and actually challenge Harris after he got the party endorsement. That's all the time I'll waste on you, though.
I stand by what I said earlier. I think Charlie Sanders is a good man, and a good Democrat, but those qualities don't translate into votes. You all want to take shots at Tim Burke for the state of Democratic politics in Hamilton County. But when a qualified candidate steps up to run, and Burke does what he can to build the party by supporting that candidate, you still want to complain. This makes your arguments pretty transparent, and petty. A win in the second district would be huge for the Hamilton County Democratic Party. All of you people talking about letting the primary sort things out need to take a step back and think about that. If you really want a strong Democratic presence in southwest Ohio, support Hackett and leave your whining for another time. This is why we are losing on a local, state, and national level. One thing we all do well is whine at each other, and then nothing gets done.
Oh, and if "dem" is who I think it is, please get over yourself and sign your damn name.
Sorry, I know I said I wouldn't say anything else about Nate, but I figured if anybody was actually taking him seriously (funny, I know, but stay with me for a moment), you should see this.
Nate Livingston wrote on 2 November 2004:
"I don't live in the 2nd District but if I did I would vote for Rob Portman who is squaring off against Charles Sanders (an African American) for the 4th time. Each election, Portman crushes Sanders. In fact, I read that Portman is so secure, he is currently on a statewide Bush tour outside his District. Democrats in the 2nd District deserve a better candidate than Charlie Sanders."
Sorry, here's the url.
http://
blackcincinnati.blogspot....ongress_02.html
Nate - Step off Erich. He is a good Democrat (just like Sanders) and there is room in THIS party for some disagreement. If he agrees with Tim Burke and Cranley, then he isn't "parroting". Erich is a pretty sharp guy and although you disagree there is no raeson for name calling.
Erich, I don't know what you're talking about. This party will go to hell in a handbasket if Hackett is the nominee.
Whatever you say "Dem." I'll just be over here where we're not afraid to sign our names.
Erich - just because we don't want nate livingstone, or the dean or that nut job from the Blue chip review (and I mean nut job in the most degratory way possible) to know our real names doesn't make our opinions unvalid. You may enjoy people calling your house, but I don't. And I have seen Nate with a Bull horn at meetings yelling personal diatribes at everyone who he knows their names (including you, Erich). Leave me out of the spot light - that is what is so great about blogs. We all feel safe in expressing ourselves without fear of retribution. Heck the editor of the blue chip review has often said that he wanted to beat up all the "cowards" out there who express a different opinion them him. I don't want that kind of harrassment.
So stand over ther where people are "not afraid to sign your names", but don't give me shit for my CHOICE not to.
Yossarian,
So you are comparing yourself to Nate Livingston, The Dean, and the Blue Chip Reivew Guy? I can't believe you would place yourself in that category. You don’t even have your own publication/blog. Who the hell do you think you are?
I posted a diary on this race over at DailyKos. Recommend it and get some national attention (and national money).
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...5/28/161010/
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Erich, please call me out. I'm curious to see who you think I am.
Adam Hyland
Sorry, you lose, try again. Sorry to say we won't be giving you a parting gift.
Wow. You dems sure are a bunch of whiny asses. No wonder you don't win shit.
Boy is it amazing to see you guys post under this name and that, all to "blog" for your person. Really embarassing if you ask me. Pick one moniker and stick to it.
Joe's right...and it's amazing how fast I've stopped caring about who any of you are.
Dear Sir(s):
My name is Sanjay Mahajan and I am volunteer campaign spokesperson for Sanders for Congress effort. Charles' volunteer campaign manager is Russell Hurley who is imminently qualified for this post. Charles Sanders and I have gone through all blogs in this post and have decided the best way to respond to all substantive inquiries is for people to call Charles Sanders directly at campaign headquarters at 513-228-0400.
I can assure you that you will reach Charles directly and not some campaign staffer whereas no other leading campaign (top 3 amongst democrats, top 4 amongst Republicans) can make this claim since the so called Washington experts are running their campaigns stifling the respective candidates.
The Sanders campaign feels that its own campaign manager, Russell Hurley,is a top notch campaign manager who can effectively compete and strategize with these so called experts who are Washington Beltway Insiders.
Charles is a military veteran who attended college on the GI Bill and graduated from Wilmington College in Industrial Labor Relations. Charles is happily married to Carolyn for over 32 years. Charles has served at local level in Harveysburg and Waynesville Councils and also was twice elected mayor of Waynesville by popular vote. Charles served as one of only 22 mayors on Amtrak Advisory Council which included mayors of Detroit, San Francisco, Houston, etc.
Charles, prefers to be called Charles Sanders; however, he is affectionately known by bloggers as Charlie and on the campaign trail as Charlie so he is definitely increasing his name recognition wherever he travels this election cycle.
For those undecideds with an open mind in this election, the best source for information in regards to the Sanders campaign is to call Charles himself at 513-228-0400 where you will reach Charles directly and not a campaign staffer.
On June 14th, vote for the name you know and the man you trust, Charles W. Sanders.
Sanjay Mahajan
Volunteer Campaign Mgr. for Sanders
I eat my own poop
Wow Adam, or whomever...so original and mature. All you Wulsin and Sanders supporters are really spending your time effectively.
Russell Hurley the barber?! Wow, a campaign manager that can strategize and cut his candidate's hair at the same time..
what has Hackett done to piss off so many of you? I'm genuinely curious as to why you are so vehemently against his candidacy? What is it about him that makes you say he's not a true Democrat?
Hackett doesn't have a position on any issue. He was endorsed by the HCDP and other groups without giving the other candidates due consideration. By that I mean he's being coronated the candidate, and I think we ought to let the voters decide who gets nominated.
Hackett's positions-
He is for keeping abortion safe, rare, and legal.
I support him on that, as a matter of a fact, if he didn't support that he wouldn't get my vote.
He is for equal rights, he believes in civil uniouns.
How many of you have gay friends or family?I know I do. I think they should be able to have the same rights that my husband I share.
He backs Stem Cell Research, his father has M.S.
How many of us have family that might benefit from SCR?(maybe not now, but in the future.)
He supposrts the second ammendment, the people's right to keep and bear arms.I think this will win him points in many camps. Although I don't own a gun, I grew up around guns, like many other dems and many of my family still own guns.
He served his country. When his unit was called up to go to Iraq although no longer active duty, he felt the need to join his unit. I was in the military, and I understand the solidarity you have with your unit. I think the Marines say it best... Semper Fi.
When he was over there he tried to make things better. He adopted a family. I think that speaks to his character. He also found out that a orphanage couldn't get formula. So Hackett got on Ebay and bought formula with his own money.
He drives a hybrid and has for many years.
He loves his wife and children. Did you see him at the Taste? He pays attention to his children even as he is campaigning.
How can you argue about backing this man? He is our endorsed candidate, and you should get out on the 14th and VOTE. Get back out on August 2nd and vote, and bring your family and friends to the poles with you.
Warning...all information in this post believed to be accurate. Poster claims no responsibilty for errors.
Hey Eric:
I was told you had dragged my name into a cyber pissing match. I would like to say for the record this is the first time I have ever blogged. I haven’t got anything against blogging. It is a fine form of communication but Eric if you want to talk to me, call me on the telephone. You have my number.
Adam E. Hyland
I didn't drag your name in. Some anonymous poster did. I really don't give a damn who anyone on this board is, especially the person who is afraid of Nate Livingston. How sad is that...
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