Vote for Hackett.
Make Schmidt sweat her bad positions and record and affiliations with Noe, Taft, Householder, and Ach.
Bitch!
How big of a loss would it take to show you that the Liberals and Progressives are dead in this town?
60% - 40% ?
70% - 30% ?
80% - 20% ?
Just curious...
Tomorrow will be all about spin: "See we didn't lose that bad! Democrats have a future in Cincinnati!"
WlW... 513-749-7000
McConnel show... 9-12
Cunningham... 12:30- 3
Call and tell them Noe to Schmidt!
Hackett on August 2nd!
I hate to do it but I agree with Anonymous above. The dems fielded the best possible candidate and the gop close to the worst. Anything but a win by Hackett will be disheartening. As for standing up to the right, I don't think we've done any such thing, we (finally) fielded a good candidate, that's all.
To respond to the earlier post -
How big of a loss would it take to show you that the Liberals and Progressives are dead in this town?
80% - 20%
Yeah.. that'd do it for me
80-20 would do it for me as well, but i will say that it will surely NOT be this or even 70-30.
Progressives are coming out of the woodwork in support of Hackett and don't think this will be the only election in Ohio where this happens.
...we're coming, and the GOP better not get lazy.
If second district voters had any sense, Hackett would win in a landslide. Schmidt's been cozy with the corrupt Taft administration for years -- a fact she's conveniently forgotten -- but ultimately, all the little prune-faced troll has to do is sit there and be a Republican, and she'll get elected.
It's exhibit #34,657 in the "Republicans are Stupid" file.
Or its called staying above the fray in a dirty primary and sneaking by the other candidates in a safe district, if Brinkman or McEwen were running we wouldn't have all these posts about the election, thats for damn sure.
Brinkman is insane, of course we would
McEwen is vanilla, so no.
Brinkman would motivate and win pretty easily, McEwen's name would have stopped any outside money from being poured into the race (plus he's a rather good speaker, not vanilla). DeWine would have the worst outcome of all four.
Why do Republicans keep winning elections if they are so stupid? What exhibit number is that?
Because a lot of people in Southeastern Ohio are ignorant, bigoted, and greedy.
Yes J.C. I have been living among some of the most bigoted people in the world that try to only instill fear on others and lie to keep that fear going...
Like Cunningham of WLW who said that Paul Hackett was behind the burning of the flags in Fairfield... But now we all know who burnt those flags.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/i...nws-
flag30.html
Cunningham owes Paul Hackett an apology! And so does ever other media outlet that didn't report on Cunningham's ignorant and hate filled rantings towards Paul Hackett.
How did Hitler get elected if he was so evil?
J.C., I would expand that from SE Ohio to the whole nation (Nov 2004 a case in point). People are after the quick soundbite and are often motivated by fear (Dubya and Rove know this all too well). Have you ever tried to sit down and talk reasonably with a Conservative? Good luck, because "reasonably" and "Conservative" just don't go together.
The flags were burned by a couple of stupid kids? It wasn't an assault on America? It wasn't a bunch of liberals acting under orders of Hillary Clinton and George Soros?!?! Send those boys to Gitmo! Ship them off to Syria to be tortured! Surely they are spies for the insurgency!
Howlin' Pete,
I thought you posted more regularly but there isn't very much "reasonable" conversation coming from liberals on this or any other blog...what do they say about throwing rocks and glass houses?
" How did Hitler get elected if he was so evil?"
Stop. Please stop.
Wow, way to stick it to us Nathan. Have you been saving that one since the last time someone said it?
If we're so unreasonable, why do you post on this blog almost as much as Brian? I challenge you to a reasonable discussion anyday. I don't believe you could make a single reasonable argument for any of your right-wing beliefs.
#34,658 in the "Republicans are Stupid" file: Why do Republicans keep winning elections if they are so stupid? What exhibit number is that?
Anonymous | 08.01.05 - 11:58 am
Let's try this right now Nathan. Do you refute my statement that people vote for Republicans because they are ignorant, bigoted, and greedy? I consider that a very reasonable statement, and I will back it up. What is your "reasonable" response?
I'll bite.
I am neither ignorant, bigoted or greedy, and I have voted for Republicans in the past.
That is a factual statement.
Is it "reasonable" enough for you?
Sometimes I just think it is my duty to prevent this from being a giant circle jerk, otherwise I just enjoy it. I shouldn't generalize, not everyone is unreasonable but a good portion (including you) are.
To be honest your statement isn't even worth responded to because your comments only prove my point.
Would it be reasonable for me to say that people vote for democrats because they are lazy, ignorant, unable to provide for themselves and smoke too much pot? Hmmm...me thinks that would not be an accectable comment from a Republican.
I have good friends that are minorities and/or gay (some are even republicans *gasp* but most are not), I don't hate any group, I am dating someone that you would probably call a "brown skin" and I am working for a non-profit while living in new york city, two things someone who is greedy probably wouldn't do. The only democrat I have ever voted for is Dusty Rhodes. I guess I am just unreasonable though.
Nathan in NYC:
Agreed that the rhetoric is icky, but let's be honest enough to say that it's a two way street. I feel this is "reasonable" enough, don't you?
Having said that, if there are any ethics and "morals" left, Schmidt should lose...but that's not a sure thing, that's for sure. More than likely, however, money will buy this thing sure as shit.
Oh well. And as far as this area being a pariah...look around; Look what this version of the GOP has done for the 2nd District...with friends like that...
Wizard,
Sorry I wasn't clear, but I should have been more clear that I was commenting on the system as a whole but my outlets for the rhetoric are mainly on here (its much more civil amongst friends and co-workers). But I really stay away from the cable news debate shows except for Special Report with Brit Hume as I find the panels a bit more contstructive and balanced although Brit is on the right for sure.
If this thing is as close as I think it is going to be I think we'll see that morals and ethics are a bit more valued than we though. I think this will be represented by lack of turnout by republicans in protest (this is not going to be a statement about Bush though as some will try to make it).
Turnout is going to be low in my opinion tomorrow and a lot of money is going to be spent for very few votes. (this is based on various reliable things that I've been hearing but I could be wrong as these elections are tricky to guess).
Why is it that the Republicans can with a terrible candidate? One word: gerrymandering. That's drawing the district lines so that it is stacked with folks who all vote the same way. It's a fact of politics - and if & when the Dems return to power, chances are they'll gerrymander it back their way.
The vast majority of eastern D-2 folks are hard core Republicans - just interested in party affiliation, not personal stats. The only X factor will be the turnout - doesn't matter how many hardcore conservatives you have in your corner unless they venture down to the polls.
As a Democrat, I sorta wonder what the big fuss is about this race sometimes, even if Hackett wins, the chances are pretty strong that he'll just lose it next year to a much better Republican opponent. This is logic speaking, not emotion...
I'm sure Nathan would be the first to admit that Schmidt has run a highly flawed campaign.
I guess it's good to be able to say dems won a race in a really red district...
I think I said on another thread that my guess is the district breaks down 50% solid R
30% D
20% moderate mostly leaning R
So if Hackett wins he will face McEwen, Deters, or Munoz all of which will get at least 50% in a high turnout election (2006 governors race)...that is why I have heard some republicans mumble that they wouldn't mind hackett winning this one...even if schmidt wins don't be surprised if she has a legit primary opponent. Schmidt probably ran about as good of a campaign as she could have and that is all I will say about that.
Exactly what I expected Nathan, you just don't respond because you can't refute anything I said. People vote for Republicans because they are bigoted against gays and non-Christians. This isn't something Republicans deny, it is something they are proud of.
People vote for Republicans because they are greedy. They are rich and they don't want to pay their fair share of taxes. If they aren't rich, then they fall into the 'ignorant' category. They vote for Republicans because they are foolish enough to believe that Republicans actually care about them and their interests.
Now it's your turn- why is it that people vote for Democrats because they are "lazy, ignorant, unable to provide for themselves and smoke too much pot"?
As for all your bull shit about dating a non-white person and having gay friends... big fucking deal. What is your point? Do you want a medal? Do you put those things on your resume? What non-profit are you working for? Let me guess, it has some kind of Conservative cause. Are you trying to tell me that you aren't all that conservative? Are you pussying out on your right-wing stances? We all know you are a right-winger, so why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Stand up for your real beliefs. Do your gay friends know that you hate them and think they are going to hell? Does your non-white girlfriend realize you use her to try and get non-bigot cred?
Does Nick Spencer even have a college degree>?
JC,
I was thinking about responding to you but then I thought I would leave you in your delusional world.
I don't hate as a group and try not to hate any individuals but you are pushing my buttons.
I am a pretty hard core conservative and will admit it, just not on social issues.
I have been to church twice in the last year which is more than most years.
The non-profit I work for is Teach For America, I doubt you have heard of it as it seems you live in a fairly sheltered lifestyle.
"Now it's your turn- why is it that people vote for Democrats because they are "lazy, ignorant, unable to provide for themselves and smoke too much pot"?"
I don't really believe that, I am not hateful like you.
You don't know shit about me.
J.C.
In a few years when you're old enough to vote, your opinion might mean something.
Until then, keep playing your Xbox and watching Cartoon Network and let the adults discuss politics.
The Smoke Eater
A Last Call
In a moment of a hot summer,
on an Independent afternoon,
I sat under a brown cowboy hat,
and the school band played by me,
a tune that honors our country,
and as I tapped my foot,
one carrying a heart of blue,
stopping briefly he shook my hand,
smiling he called me his fireman friend,
and under the brown cowboy hat I smiled back,
”You go get um, I hollered.”
”I’m gonna try like hell!”
He hollered back.
And the crowd cheered,
and called for this man… “Paul Hackett!”
And he waved past everyone there,
and on he went caring as if in a war,
from his opponent all I got was silence,
and she gave me a sandy file,
it rubbed my fingers wrong,
and I quickly threw it in the trash,
and went to see my president,
I told him the IAFF was wrong,
never to see the working man’s way,
the electricians, the farmers,
think about the carpenter,
and the plumbers,
departing he tried to bet me,
and I thought of missing coins,
and sandy files,
and money under the table,
it all sounds like a betrayal to me,
and betrayal’s of faith are the worse,
that hit hard and truthfully wide,
and everyone is watching,
Jean’s litmus test story,
I was sickened by it all,
where’s a prosecutor when needed,
watching a prison guard move away,
or too busy slandering an innocent man,
he should know what a baby killer is,
dropped a case -- parents weren’t informed,
abortion and stem cell research is pure politics,
and so is leaving the dead for the dead,
we must all go on together,
It’s only one world and one sun,
shake the hand of John Glenn,
look up beyond the light blue,
see a man hug his family,
”You go get um Paul!”
The wounded clap to that.
Believe me I saw it!
And from Jean Schmidt’s camp,
I saw an attack on soldiers serving,
and I saw them blame the innocent for flag burning,
I saw them call a good marine a baby killer…
and tomorrow I shall vote wisely…
our vote is so very sacred,
the culture of the corrupt has got to go!
”You go get um, Paul Hackett!”
May you make it to the seat of Washington!
To those that are volunteering... Cheers!
I note with some humor those who published and then quickly deleted posts on Joe Braun. Kos- it all appears to point back to you.
Publishing information such as you did is not only reprehensible, and irresponsible,, but very seriously and potentially damaging to you.
What this has to do with the campaign eludes me. Even if one and other are the same its: a. not illegal; B. a clear violation of Mr. Hackett's beliefs that the government should not intrude on a person's privacy, read : abortion, guns.
So, are the bloggers allowed? Can they make and substantiate these allegations which, by yahoo "cache" have spread across the globe via the blogs. And the bloggers who all report that "_____", (mostly Kos), reports the following......." Can they escape civil culpability by saying that Kos reported it?
Nope. Reckless is reckless, and a failure to independently check sources is reckless. "Published" requirement is met. Public figure- ??- he's not the candidate. Damages- wow.
Be very careful. I'd keep the political reporting to politics, young'uns. Your computer usage may be in play also.
That being said, vote your conscience tomorrow.
Nathan, you say I live in a delusional world, yet you support policies and politicians that want to destroy Teach for America. George W. Bush and the rest of the GOP want nothing more than to eliminate any program like TFA and Americorps. How are you going to get on your high horse when Bush cuts the program you are volunteering with?
If you volunteer with TFA, I guess that should make you Pro-Education. You say that you aren't religious and don't hate gay people. You claim you aren't greedy and you support government social programs like TFA, so you shouldn't be anti-Tax. So what is it that makes you so Conservative? Are you just a big Toby Keith fan? Do you just like going to war? You love bombing innocent people for no reason? That seems to be your big issue, so why aren't you volunteering to drive an un-armored Humvee into Fallujah?
So yet again, you can't stand behind anything you say. You just say that I'm unreasonable, sheltered, and delusional. So apparently you know shit about me?
J.C.
The only unreasonable Democrat I met was the one who tried to show me how easy it would be to vote in Ohio even though I don't live there.
Even though I haven't met you, and I don't know shit about you, you sound like you would be the second unreasonable Democrat I've ever met.
I hope I posted this picture correctly. The picture includes Tom Noe, Bob Taft, and Ed Gillespie. http://www.ohiocitizen.org/money...olitics/
mp.html
I can name two off the top of my head...
Bill Cunningham & Jean Schmidt...
He said that he's her ass...
true, very true,
I can name more but I'll be nice.
You know the more I think about it...
Cunningam isn't an ass at all...
He's a blowhard!
Sorry for the mistake!
Thanks Gerard for yet another empty response from the Right. You brought a lot to the discussion and really went after those issues.
PS- I'm not a Democrat.
Toast Smoke Eater.........IAFF can kiss my donkey but you're tops in my book.
Toast... coyote.
Keep it up J.C. and you'll continue to be angry or frustrated or whatever until 2016. Your comments serve no purpose for furthering whatever it is you believe in, Democrat or not.
As with many that share your views, you don't understand, care to understand, or accept that a helluva lot of people, dare I say a majority of people, share conservative philosophies. And instead of understanding, it's easy to label them all as ignorant, greedy, bigots.
Nathan, or myself, will not back up the statement that all Democrats are lazy potheads as you aggressively posed because like he already said (maybe you missed it) it's not a true statement. There is always more to consider.
Just like there's more to consider than "Nathan is a conservative who advocates for education, so he must be ignorant." Could it be just possible that NCLB, though imperfect, might futher education in this country?
And I didn't know all Republicans hate non-Christians. But most people in this country are Christian, as are most candidates. Statistically, it shouldn't even be a factor.
I'd try and convince you further, but your idiocy might stand in the way of your reason. But you were right about one thing: my last comment was empty. I guess I got carried away in reacting to your crap with more crap.
Is that all you have on the republicans ?They went golfing,fishing,traded comic books and coin collections with their freinds went to the boy scout jamboree waited in the sun for the president(fell out)what is this a big crap fest.dont make enemys now the election is this morning.cant sleep, cant eat ,a nervous wretch?God this is so important .What did we do before blogs.what is this the 45th comment on this subject.thank god it will all be over tomorrow .hacket can go back to iraq and we can all start blameing schmidt for all our problems.drought,global warming ,dinosaurs, abortion, states rights,legal weed oh! my bad the republicans dont beleive there is such a thing as global warming,its just wacky scientits scientists useing fuzzy math and what not.will brian griffin get over this like john kerry did?
Keep it up Gerard. Don't actually respond to any of my questions. The "I'd explain it but you are such an idiot you wouldn't understand" response is getting a bit old. Try me Fuckhead. We'll see who the idiot is.
I do understand that a lot of people out there have Conservative views, but what is your point. There are a lot of Liberals out there too. I need to "understand" that you are greedy, ignorant, and bigoted? As if I'm supposed to accept it just because there are a lot of you? That argument is getting a bit old too Gerard- telling me I might as well just face the fact that most people are conservatives and Christians are in the majority so that is how it is going to be. If you'd check the last two Presidential elections, you'll see that this country is basically split in half right now. And even if the Right had a slight majority, since you are such an old fucking fossil you should know that times change. Greedy fucking Republicans win some elections, they fuck shit up, and then they lose a bunch of elections. Just look at that ugly motherfucker Bob Taft- he's going down and he's bringing the entire Ohio GOP with him.
As for Nathan and education, I'm trying to figure out why he holds his service for TFA so highly, yet he supports those who would like to dismantle it. And if any of us would like to find out if NCLB would actually help education, George Dubya needs to give it some fucking funding. Is that unreasonable, to skip the tax cuts for the rich and the handouts to the Oil companies so we can fund some education in this country? Is that too difficult a concept for you to understand? Do I need to find a Bible passage to help illustrate my point?
Fucking inbred.
J.C.
I think what people like Nathan and Gerard are trying to point out, is that there can be no reasonable debate with you because you tend to rant like a madman. You don't disuss, you merely shout scornful remarks. Give it a rest.
JC,
TFA is actually currently up for an huge increase in funding, independent of Americorps. The bill's chief sponsor in the Senate is Lamar Alexander (R) and in the house it is Castle and Regula (both R's) it has bipartisan support but the chief proponents are R's so fuck you.
Also I was just talking with the founder the other day who was applauding NCLB and calling current criticism revisionist history, so fuck you again.
George W Bush for better or worse had the largest spending increase on education in the history of government spending on education, so fuck you again.
Sounds like someone needs to get to the shrink, either you are still in high school or you have fallen off your rocker.
Finally I don't volunteer for them, I work at their national headquarters.
Nathan,
This is what I'm trying to figure out. You are advocating increases in education spending, which I applaud, but that doesn't sound like a very Conservative, anti-big government stance. You say you aren't religious and you don't hate gays. What is it about you that is Conservative? Why do you try to get some kind of Liberal cred by bragging about non-profit work and supporting increases in education spending? Which is it- are you conservative or not?
I don't believe for a second that George Bush has helped education in this country. What he proposes spending and what Congress actually spends are two very different numbers. There is still a huge spending gap between what Bush said he was going to spend on NCLB and what has actually been spent, so fuck you. Also, even though he might call for an increase in spending in one area, he cuts twice as much from another area. We just don't hear about that part in your talking points. How many teachers have been laid off in the State of Ohio alone since he took office?
If you want to place me in a box I am what Milton Friedman would call a classical liberal. I don't advocate massive increases in spending in education but I do advocate increased accountablity, equal expectations, and would increase pay for higher-quality teachers in low income districts, perhaps even some sort of government incentive for high quality education majors to teach for 2-4 years in low income areas and then go to the suburbs if they choose.
A conservative doesn't have to be fucking religious, get that through your head. I am not saying I don't believe in God I am just saying I am not religious.
Bush can't spend what he proposed, there is a little thing called checks and balances, check out the Constitution. While his spending hasn't equaled his proposals its far more than the dems have ever done or propably ever proposed. The acheivement gap is being narrowed in early educations, stats have showed this after just a few years of NCLB.
I only said that I work for a non-profit because you called me greedy.
"We just don't hear about that part in your talking points. How many teachers have been laid off in the State of Ohio alone since he took office?"
Enlighten me.
Are you a racist or homophobe?
No, I am not a racist or a homophobe.
I don't believe you have to be religious to be Conservative, just as I don't believe you have to be non-religious to be a Liberal. That's why I'm asking you what makes you so Conservative, because you have to admit that most Conservatives are Christian.
I know you think I'm in high school, but I understand what checks and balances are. Maybe you need to check who is in control of those Checks and Balances in Congress right now. It isn't the Democrats that are holding up the funds for NCLB or other Education programs. Bush may say he wants to spend a certain amount on Education, but he doesn't seem to care too much when his Republican buddies in the Congress gut the funds. He lets them do the dirty work because no one ever hears about it.
Thousands of teachers have been laid off in Ohio since Bush took office. I'm sure Bob Taft had plenty to do that too.
Most liberals are Christian too.
You can't dispute that Bush has increased spending by a lot more than Clinton did when he had Congress and also when he didn't.
Do you have a link for your teacher claim?
It is possible that you are a closet racist though, thats the vibe I am getting.
Jesus was a Liberal.
Not sure where you are getting that vibe. Enlighten me.
If you want info on teacher layoffs in Ohio, just Google "Ohio teacher lay offs" and you'll find plenty. Cleveland has laid off about 1000 teachers and other positions in the 2004-2005 school year alone, and that is after we have supposedly "turned the corner" as Mr. Bush likes to say.
If you really want info on the empty promises of NCLB, I could send you to the Center for American Progress, but I'm not sure how well that organization would go over.
http://www.americanprogress.org/...JRJ8OVF&
b=19382
Teacher layoffs are a state/local issue and you can thank the drunken sailor spending of many republicans for cuts but many cuts are also due to the persistent failure of cleveland schools and the increasing popularity of vouchers and charter schools there.
Since I know you would dismiss anything positive from the right, here is a education think tank from the left and their views on NCLB: http://www2.edtrust.org/edtrust/ESEA
Also NCLB is not a mandate and no states have decided not to participate (which is an option).
Also there are currently over $5 billion in unspent NCLB funds that the states have not put to use under the ESEA (Elementary and Secondary Education Act).
I thought I'd make the sweeping generalization that you are a racist, it seems that it is true.
Cleveland, (it was actually 700 teachers) your example did have high teacher layoffs after running a budget deficit of 100 million dollars, for a 70,000 student district that is a deficit 1400 dollars a student, you don't think any of that might be the school districts fault? Maybe Cleveland spent 100 million on standardized testing? Yeah thats it, we'll blame it on Bush.
What's with the racist thing? You think if you just keep saying it over and over everyone will start to think it's true? You've been watching too much Fox News. So how am I a racist? You obviously aren't a racist because your girlfriend has "brown skin". I'm sure you're the second coming of MLK Jr.
Let me tell you something Nathan. I live in Texas, so I am pretty familiar with how Bush's education policies work, or don't work rather. We all know about Rod Paige and the Houston Miracle. Now we've got Rick Perry and his genius idea to fund education by taxing strip clubs. When Bush was Governor here, Texas ranked 50th in the nation in Teachers salaries, and teachers salaries went down while he was Governor. Texas is consistently near the bottom in all categories pertaining to graduation rates and test scores. I'm sure all the rich white kids still get a great education at their Private schools and rich suburban school districts. Whose a racist?
More than a dozen States have passed resolutions against NCLB. Utah was going to back out. UTAH- the most Republican state in the US! But after some last minute massages by the Bush Administration, they decided not to go through with it.
You are still a closet racist, the first sign is denial. Your racism comes through in your posts for sure.
ooooo resolutions against NCLB, yet they still take part in it? What a pussy thing to do. Man-up or don't play the game.
Its like all those stupid resolutions congratulating this, thanks her, condemnit that...wastes of time, put up or shut up.
But if NCLB is SOOOOO wonderful, why would a State pass a resolution against it?
Its called growing pains and refusal to change...there were problems with this bill just as any new piece of legislation (for example issues with those that don't speak language that have since been corrected)...if they truly wanted to do something they would choose not to take part in NCLB.
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