I applaud Rep Schmidt. She finally gotten the lying democrats off their asses and put their big mouth on the record. If I live in her district, I'll campaign for her. She is my hero.
I believe Jean Schmidt called it right. She quoted the marine and did a hell of a job. She wasn't aiming at Murtha directly, but the weak-in- the-knees/wet-in-the-pants far left liberals. The recent press implied in their reporting that Murtha was a hawk for the war. He hasn't been for the war for a long time. And, oh my God, now we are back to theocratic facist. If anything resembles the beginning of facism, perhaps it is the bias news reporting of the liberal press and three national networks.
Isn't that cute!
The Republican lackeys are being such good little boys and girls and defending Schmidt everywhere they can, just like the local GOP told them to.
Attack those extreme liberals! Go get those America-haters!
Oh, it's so adorable. Reminds me of when I was a little boy.
We'll see more of their nonsense in tomorrow's Enquirer. Bronson will probably chime in, too. That should be interesting: a woman's absurd rantings as described by a man's lunatic rantings.
WestEnder,
Nobody tells me what to do. I am responsible for my actions. That is what is so great about being conservative. If we suceed, it is because of what we do. If we lose, it is because of what we do. WE take personal responsibilty. If we were liberals, it is usually someone else' fault or responsibilty. I am sure when you grow up, you will understand. I use to be a WestEnder too, but I grew up.
What does liberal have to do with any of this? Congresswoman Schmidt did send the message directly to Murtha and she then lied and said it was not to him. And this is not "liberal" reporting, it is merely the facts - no bias there. It seems folks consider factual reporting to be liberal. We all saw her saying these words. No liberal or conservative interpretaion is needed. It's a fact.
SWOhio
Jack also thinks Iraq had WMD but it just disappeared,
Jean Schmidt is a moron whose hateful comments push Republican leadership closer to the precipice. Only a few more inches......keep it coming Jeanie.
jack is so smart
he knows everyting
his head is not hard
his head is not soft
his head is just right
up his ass
I love these chickenhawk war lovers. The whole country is against this war since their now realizing the draft dodging resident lied us into that war with the help of the corporate "liberal media". Yeah, GE is so antiwar because they just don't make much money off it, do they?
Schmidt is obviously lying, but so called conservatives call that being patriotic.
They say we're fighting for democracy in Iraq and steal elections here at home.
It pushed Reublican Leadership to the precipice? The last I heard this week, the vote for withdrawl was 400+ against and 3 or 4 for. Sounds like when our Congress has to vote put it's rear end on the line, they get off the politics and make the right choice.
Iraq had WMDs, they had used them on their own people. Do you disagree? Do you believe Saddamm was such a responsible guy that he would have gotten rid of them because he was expected to? If you believe that I have a bridge I want to seell you. In life, you have to look at the long term too. Can you imagine what the situation would be like if we had allowed Saddamm to continue unchallenged?
Thank You!
Peace
T'was the night before two week thanksgiveing holiday
not a representative was stirring
in the big old House
your a coward cut and run
crowed a little prune faced
nazcar bitch
those graves dont say democrat or republican
The GOP simply called Murtha and the Dems on their ongoing "anti-war" bluff.
Not only did most of the Dems vote to send our troops to war in the first place. They just voted to keep them there.
Absolutely hilarious!
Ask the residents of Halabja if Saddam had WMD.
Hilarious as our boys die
They die because the dems wouldn't vote to pull thm out.
cowards.
That vote proved, once again, that the Dems are full of shit.
Man that makes sense, like most rethuglican crap
Makes perfect sense.
The Dems had their chance to "bring our boys home before Christmas."
And to the member, with the exception of three, they voted to keep them right where they are...
The Dems are all talk.
Yeah that was a real vote last night , keep dreaming
You right-wingers never cease to amaze me. I don't know where to start. Well, how about this editorial in today's Cincinnati Post:
"Murtha, a Democratic congressman of 31 years' standing from central Pennsylvania, is an ex-Marine, decorated Vietnam veteran, a respected House expert on military issues and close enough to the leadership of the uniformed military that he is believed to often speak for them in Congress. He is not a grandstander nor particularly partisan.
That is why he stunned Washington - and quite possibly changed the Iraq debate for the better - when he called for an immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq and listed his reasons for doing so.
After the shock and awe had passed, House Republicans reacted in drearily predictable fashion, accusing Murtha - two Purple Hearts, Bronze Star - of cowardice and treason. (Murtha's reply: He has been to war; his critics have not.)
Speaking on behalf of the president, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said, "Congressman Murtha is a respected veteran and politician who has a record of supporting a strong America." He should have stopped there. Instead, came the inevitable partisan dig. "So it is baffling that he is endorsing the policy positions of Michael Moore and the extreme liberal wing of the Democratic Party."
Murtha cannot be brushed off as some zealot from the far left. If support for the war is not to erode further, his proposal and his reasons for offering must be addressed soberly. We've tried name-calling and it hasn't worked; now let's try actually thinking about where we are going."
And the Post endorsed Bush last year, so none of your "liberal media" bullshit that you're always crying about.
And don't be fooled into thinking that the Democrats wouldn't back Murtha. The truth is, the Republicans put together an overly simplistic version of Murtha's resolution, in order to ensure that it wouldn't pass. Here's Murtha's resolution:
Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";
Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U, S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;
Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;
Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;
Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency,
Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want U.S. forces out of Iraq;
Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;
Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;
Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That:
Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.
Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines shall be deployed in the region.
Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq through diplomacy.
And here's the Republican version:
RESOLUTION
Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that
the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.
Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces
in Iraq be terminated immediately.
The fact that Democrats didn't vote for this obvious piece-of-shit legislation proves nothing. Except maybe that Republicans are willing to engage in cheap political stunts.
And I can't finish this without addressing this statement by Jack:
"That is what is so great about being conservative. If we suceed, it is because of what we do. If we lose, it is because of what we do. WE take personal responsibilty."
That is the funniest thing I've read all day. Conservatives take responsibility? Who took responsibility for getting us into a war with no exit strategy? Or for not following up on a memo titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in US"? Or for leaking a CIA agent's name to the press? Between Bill Frist's insider-trading troubles, to Tom DeLay's laundering of campaign contributions, to our local governors Bob Taft & Ernie Fletcher, it's hilarious that you think conservatives take responsibility. People are finally starting to realize what hypocrites the Republicans are. Seen Bush's approval rating lately? Nuff said.
What he said
Yeah, the Dems are all talk. Of course, the terse resolution they voted against had been written to inevitably fail. But they are, by and large, wimps- all talk, no action. I suspect that even a more reasonable peace resolution would have been easily defeated. An excess in timidity, and a tendency to play Republican-Light, has them still floundering despite the golden opportunities presented by the unraveling Bush Regime.
Still, there have been signs lately that my party might be growing a pair at last. And I can only hope that Republican outrages like the Schmidt attack on Murtha will begin to piss off dems enough to get them off the fence and on the offensive.
Lou we need you for 2006, I don't want hear all this crap about rethuglican lite. Think of where we have been and where we are going
nkylib,
Last I looked, there was only one Northern Ky Lib in Northern Ky. Is that you?
Jean Schmidt is a disgrace. Her hateful comments and behavior will not win her friends or voters. I hope that the people in OH-2 see her behavior as shameful and refuse to elect her again.
Over here in OH-2 Schmidt is a hero. Her comments have won many friends. It fun to watch the democrats cry when they get their ass kicked at there own game. It also looks like the way Murtha has been awarding business he may be crooked also.
859. That was AWESOME.
Schmidt is an embarrassment to me as a Republican and my Congressman. Instead of discrediting Rep. Murtha's irresponsible proposal on it's merits, which would have been easy, she engaged in a cheap personal attack against a veteran.
We conservatives can't have it both ways. We can't condemn the thoughtless personal attacks from the unpatriotic DailyKos or vicious MoveOn.org, then defend it when a Republican does it. Schmidt stooped to the level of Kos and MoveOn and should be condemned for it.
Can someone please tell me what the difference is between these two resolutions if your goal is to get the troops out of Iraq?
Democrats
Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable date.
Republicans
Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that
the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.
Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.
I have removed all the preface leading up to the removal portion of Murtha resolution because it does not make a difference to the goal. It only matters if you want to rehash old issues for political purposes. The issue is ending the deployment in Iraq. Both resolutions terminate the deployment. If the Democrats had voted on the Republican resolution, they would be saying yes to terminating and let the Republicans worry about how fast. They could have pointed to theirs and said “at the earliest practicable date.”
I think that they are afraid to vote because this makes them commit to something and they have grown fond of throwing darts but running away from commitment and leadership. If they want the American people to put them in charge, they will need to show leadership. Hell, critics are a dime a dozen and easily found on most blogs, left and right.
Please, someone tell me what I am missing without whining about who found what, where, and when. If one focuses solely on WMD and they find a load in Syria, where does that leave the argument. When soldiers are dying, they either need complete support or for leaders to get them out. They do not need to be left in place while people question what they are doing and for what purpose while constantly pointing out failures.
And the other section of Murtha resolution, "Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S Marines shall be deployed in the region." makes little sense.
Not sure where he thinks we will keep enough troops in the region after bailing out on the Iraqi’s. We are pulling our troops out of Iraq because the terrorist want them as a target to start bombing your citizens. How many of our troops do you want? Name a regional government that would want our troops in their country "to be over the horizon" to defend Iraq in time of need. This is perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I am amazed that the Republicans did not make this front and center of their debate.
I couldn't have said it better than what 859 did. This whole thing has made me so angry. She's a freaking joke. Hell, even Saturday Night Live made fun of her tonight. Thanks for electing such a dumbass.
The dumbest thing I ever heard is the lies that got us into this unwinnable war.
joeh
The difference....
at the earliest practicable date.
This means a planned timetable for withdraw.
Simply put we tell the Iraqis we are pulling this unit out on this date, you have until then to fill the void.
If you just pack up and leave tomorrow, you will fuck over the Iraqis.
Understand the difference?
nkylib,
The dummest thing I heard this morning is that you believe that lies got us into this war. I thought it was Saddamm repeatedly violating his agreement after Iraq war #1 and our vision that unless he goes, dramatic favorable change wouldn't occur in the troubled Mideast, it will only get worse there and eventually much worse for us. Trouble with decision options (in this case do something like enforce the law with an extremely dangerous lawbreaker or do nothing)is you only know what happens for the decision you make. Do you really believe that if Sadamm had been left in power, we would be better off right now and for the long term? If you believe that, I still have that bridge I'd like to sell you.
Somebody called Bullschmidt's card. Murtha is the second military man Bullschmidt has tried to trash. Wake up Ohioans! Her red, white and blue outfits should be replaced with solid black. And she might get a pointy black hat to wear with it too.
Jack
You are dumber than a box of rocks and everytime you post you prove it.
Dear Jean,
I think you should know that 5 more soldiers from the 101st Airbourne out of KY were killed yesterday in a blast. They didn't cut, but they will never run again. Five more soldiers were injured in the blast and no doubt will never run again neither.
We now have 2090 soldiers killed in Iraq. By the way Jean, do you have any loved ones in the military? Do the families and extended families of Bush and Cheney have any loved ones in the military? I've heard they don't, which is amazing in the fact that the president and vice president tell us it is such an honor to fight our country. If it is such an honor, why don't the families of Bush, Cheney and Schmidt encourage the youth in their families to take advantage of that honor? Or is it that being in the military, fighting and dying for Bush's war is just an honor for other people's kids, huh Jean?
type o. Insert fight "for our country" in post above.
"Jack: You are dumber than a box of rocks and everytime you post you prove it."
An accurate summation.
I'm not sure what else to expect from someone who thinks political party talking points and talk radio are reliable news sources and everything else is communism.
The whole stunt in congress was nothing but a boxing ring for republicans and democrats to vent and get a lot off their chests.
The republicans made the proposal to cut and run and the democrats fooled them by voting against it with the republicans. I'd say that was pretty shrewd.
nkylib,
You never answered the question at 1016am above. You appear to have retreated. Does that mean you have no facts, no strategies, and no meaningful solutions?
WestEnder,
Having grown up and spent a large part of my life in the Westend, I am really am dissapointed so far with you. We were taught personal responsibilty, you can achieve anything in this world with smart hard work, and finally, nobody bullies us. It worked! What works for you?
If you mean we as the United States you betcha and I have 2090 reasons. Jack I'm sure you are like all the other chickenhawks and never had a close relative die in a war.
My brother in law was killed in the war. My brother was seriously wounded in Vietnam. My brother was proud he served and never supported the anti war movement. What have you done to make this country better?
Of the 2090 reasons you propose to have, how about giving us three!
The plural of anecdote is not data, Jack. My fiancée's uncle served TWO tours in Vietnam, and wanted to do a third (his wife said she'd divorce him if he did), because he wanted to be there for his buddies.
And as soon as he got back stateside, he became VERY involved in the anti-war movement.
Is his experience less valid than your brother's? I challenge anyone to tell him he's not patriotic. Supporting the troops and supporting the war are two completely different things.
WF
Sgt Michael E Bitz age 31 Ventura California
Lance Cpl David K Fribly age 26 Lee Florida
Cpl Jose A Garibay age 21 Orange California
All dead because of Bush's folly
Wes,
"Supporting the troop sand supporting the war are two different things". We agree! I support this war for reasons stated often. What bugs me, are those politicians who try to make political gain over this war. They are usually obvious and it can work from both sides of the aisle. Have a Great Thanksgiving in the land where it all started.
The plural of anecdote is not data
Nice, Wes. Nice! 
"Have a Great Thanksgiving in the land where it all started".
And then, steal your neighbor's house!
"We were taught personal responsibilty, you can achieve anything in this world with smart hard work, and finally, nobody bullies us. It worked! What works for you?"
Jack, you really are a joke. You are so simple-minded in your thinking. The world is not black and white like you want it to be. Sorry it's so hard for you to understand.
You think that anyone who opposes Bush is exactly a lazy liberal who doesn't believe in hard work or personal responsibility, and those who support Bush are hard working, salt of the earth patriots who believe in God.
That's why nobody takes you seriously, because your thinking does not correspond with reality. Believing it more does not make it more real.
Of course I believe in hard work and personal responbility. Why do you think I'm so disgusted with Republicans? They exploit ("support" to you) the military, they're fiscally corrupt and they're politically unethical.
Maybe start by trying something other than Rush Limbaugh as a 'news' source.
Some people need to take a serious look in the mirror.
George W. Bush's 50 greatest accomplishments:
1. I attacked and took over two countries.
2. I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US treasury.
3. I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy)
4. I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
6. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
7. I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
8. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in US history. (tough to beat my dad's, but I did)
9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
10. I set the record for most campaign raising trips by an president in US history.
11. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
12. I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
13. I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.
14. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in US history.
15. I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.
16. I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.
18. I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.
19. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people) shattering the record for protest against ant person in the history of mankind.
20. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
21. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
22. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her)
23. I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.
24. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.
25. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
26. I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the US.
27. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Reagan was hard to beat, but I did it!!!)
28. I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations to remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
29. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from Elections Monitoring Board.
30. I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.
31. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
32. I withdrew from the World Court Of Law.
33. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
34. I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors access during the 2002 elections.
35. I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for the most corporate campaign donations.
36. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation)
37. I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
38. I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).
39. I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
40. I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
41. I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
42. I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
43. I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US laws by not selling their huge investments in corporations that later made bids for gov contracts.
44. I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
45. I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the Civil War.
46. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
47. I have at at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine ( Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
48. I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
49. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigation into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
50. All minutes of meetings of any public corporations for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
***
And last but not least, my administration, elected republicans and those who voted republican are the first in history to stick by my lies by lying to themselves.
lol.
Hey Nathan
Some people need to quit lying and being some damn sycophant to the WORST PRESIDENT EVER.
You seem like an intelligent fellow can you not feel the walls crumbling down.
Marine issues denial of Schmidt's statements on the floor:
By The New York Times
WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 - A colonel in the Marine reserves has taken issue with how his views were represented in a Republican attack last week on Representative Murtha.
Speaking on the House floor on Friday, Representative Jean Schmidt, Republican of Ohio, asserted that the colonel had "asked me to send Congressman Murtha a message: that cowards cut and run, marines never do."
But a spokeswoman for the colonel, Danny R. Bubp, said Ms. Schmidt had misconstrued their conversation.
While Mr. Bubp, a Republican member of the Ohio House of Representatives, opposes a quick withdrawal for forces, "he did not mention Congressman Murtha by name nor did he mean to disparage Congressman Murtha," said Karen Tabor, his spokeswoman. "He feels as though the words that Congresswoman Schmidt chose did not represent their conversation."
Asked to respond on Monday, the congresswoman's office said only, "Mrs. Schmidt's statement was never meant to disparage Congressman Murtha."
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