I'd change Cincinnati but abolishing the city council form of government. It's a recipe for a perpetual stalemate. Vote the mayor in, give him or her their 4 years to make something happen & then the voters can either rinse or repeat.
I owned a house in Northside & eventually downsized elsewhere in the city. Eventually I moved to Kentucky because by renting in Newport, I was able to regain the urban feel I missed living in Northside. We now live in rural Covington near Independence simply because I could get more bang for my buck & be reasonably assured my property value would increase on a new construction home. I'd have loved to stay in the city - either OH or KY - but the value of the investment lies elsewhere when you don't care to become Bob Vila. Our neighbors are vanilla Republicans with bratty kids and we'd just as soon move again but chances are that this time, like many folks, we'll just cash out & leave the area. The midwest as a whole is a sinking ship.
Note to Brian: Black people are leaving the city too..
Oh, the suburbanites aren't anti-city. If the city weren't here, the poor people would -- God forbid -- live in their towns. So they looove the city as a dumping grounds.
You should instead call them what they are: blood-sucking suburbanites.
Black people, white people, all sorts of people who can afford to leave do just that. How is it irrational to choose not to raise your children in a community where, with some notable exceptions, the schools suck, thugs walk the streets armed, think education is a bad thing, have not worked and are not looking for work, despite the refrain about illegals taking all the jobs. Look Brian, many of us have simply stopped caring about people who do not care about themselves. You can call it bigotry or racism or whatever, but life is short and most of us have far better things to do with our time than worry about people who seem not to care about their own lives, schools, children, jobs, etc.
Yes, after twelve years of living in downtown Cincinnati, I grew old and I grew tired of replacing windows after having things thrown through them by some of the nice city dweller you champion, of having my car windows broken by ten year olds with nothing better to do, by hearing the cries of babies at 3:00 am as their 15 year old mom's pushed them home from wherever the hell they had been hanging out, and the constant anti-gay bigotry of this city -- both white and black. I now live in an inner burb where the price of houses runs from $200,000 to $600,000, not a cul de sac however. On my street live black families, asian familes, Indian families, gay families, mixed race families, immigrant families, single moms and dads with kids. Brian, get your head out of your ass and take a look at the world that really exists, rather than your bigoted biased worldview.
The truth is it's not just the CIty--they're leaving the entire County. Some of the other parts of the County are losing people faster than the CIty, actually.
I’m so freaking tired of reading this same drivel spewed every time someone points out why people don’t want to live in the city. Brian, it kills me that you rip people for stereotyping the city, but then you paint all of the suburbs with a broad brush. Seriously, get out into the suburbs sometime and look beyond the big box stores. You might find that there are actual community restaurants, quality parks, neighborhood bars and such. Or maybe it’s just easier to sit back and lob pot shots.
It’s the city’s responsibility to give people a reason to come downtown, or live within the city limits, etc. And guess what? The article is correct. Land is cheaper, schools are better, and crime is lower in the suburbs. And I’m under no obligation to bankrupt myself just because the city feels I ought to. Sorry, but just because you want to live in the city there doesn’t make you better than suburbanites, nor does it make us lily white fraidy cats. It’s just different, and you ought to know the difference between the two.
Hmmm... I work nights in Clifton. I carry a gun becuase of the wonderful urban atmosphere Brian is so proud of.When going to and from work, my gun is under my thigh, not locked up or holstered. What really kills me is: No ones has the balls to admit that the problem is black males preying on society. Its not red head Irish kids sticking guns and knives in peoples faces. If wanting to keep my family out of such an enviroment makes me a racist, then so be it.
I found it most interesting that Brian immediately jumps to racism when the person interviewed in the article expressed the exact opposite sentiment.
"I don't want to raise my daughter in a neighborhood that isn't diverse. But all things considered, that's something she'll learn later," Hauser said."
I also don't believe that this is a trend unique to Cincinnati. I would be willing to bet the vast majority of metropolitan cores have lost population as people spread out to newer housing stock in the suburbs.
I left the city because if you went in your backyard you had to lock the front door. I now jog two miles down the road or take a twelve mile bike ride without locking any doors. I don't even have to chain my bike to a light pole/ parking meter. You can live where you wish so don't refer to people as racist because they desire a peaceful enviroment to live.
I live in the city and:
A. Don't Carry a Gun
B. Only have had Anti-Gay bias spewed at me from suburbanites after sports games.
C. Never has my car broken into or anything stolen from it (Knock on Wood)...actually police officers patrol my garage.
D. Care enough to want to make a difference and not just consider taking care of the poor a waste of time. Such beliefs are what contributed to this problem in the first place. Poor people don't choose to be poor. Some are discriminated against in employment. Some are mentally ill and need help. Stop attributing their problems to completely internal circumstances and take a look at the situation as a whole. Also, try to want everyone to be productive citizens of this country. We're living in a global marketplace and we need to remember that if we do not have a smart, educated, healthy workforce, we'll lose to foreign competition.
E. Believe that Cincinnati Public Schools are disparately impacted in regards to funding because of OHIO'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL FUNDING OF SCHOOLS! All schools should be funded equally to give all children the chance to have a good education! If you think Cincinnati's school systems sucks, write our idiot Governer and tell him to do something about it! Also, again, try to want everyone to be productive citizens of this country. We're living in a global marketplace and we need to remember that if we do not have a smart, educated, healthy workforce, we'll lose to foreign competition.
F. Believe that the city will eventually die and all suburbanites will lose their jobs because the city will become so unattractive that corporations will no longer want to be located here. And, of course, somehow suburbanites will attribute the death of the city to the city and not to themselves.....again attributing this situation to external circumstance instead of their own internal circumstances! Isn't ignorance bliss?
Charles,
I've known several families who have lived in my particular suburb and never locked their doors in 30+ years including when they go on vacation.
A big driver of crime is drugs. If you live within walking distance of the junkies then you are a target.
Mikey, I hate to bust the bubble you're living in but... There's a whole generation of black people who see you as a target to be robbed, beaten, and taken advantage of. The idea of being productive members of society is as far away from them as a ride to the moon. And guess what. They have no desire to learn. They live for the moment. My dog(a *BLACK* Lab by the way) has more of a vision of tommorow than these people. Good luck shaping the city in your utopian fashion.
I guess I have taken the opposite route in my life. I grew up in suburbia and went to private all-white schools. And, I watched the town I grew up in double in size. But, when it came time to buy a house of my own, I decided to buy one in the city.
There was something to be said for convenience in the fact that I no longer have to drive a half hour to go to a decent restaurant or catch a Reds game. And, I escaped the people who Brian was talking about. A year prior to moving from my suburban home, the house next door was purchased by the brother of a prominent figure here in town. When I asked him why he moved from his house in the city, he said that there were "too many hillbillies and n****rs" where he came from. I am hoping that most of the people who move to the suburbs are not bigots like him, but I fear that far too many are.
On the education side, there is much more to it than the grade assigned by ODE for each district. You need diversity and opportunities for kids to socialize with someone who is not a mirror image of themselves. As America becomes more diversified over the next 50 years, I have higher expectations for a kid adapting to his/her future workplace demographics who grew up playing basketball in the street with kids of every race and background versus one who spent the day playing Playstation II in a pink brick McMansion in an all-white West Chester neighborhood.
Some of the blame for the exodus does lie with the city. City Council is supposed to promote Cincinnati as a product that people want to buy into. And, if you are unsuccessful, you can't just point your finger at those who didn't buy, and call them bigots, without changing a thing. That would be like Coca-Cola in the 1980's stubbornly sticking with their New Coke recipe rather than switching back to the old because "Americans are too stupid to drink their superior soda." If Coke had done that, they would be bankrupt by now.
However, in this case, I think that the exiting citizens should take some responsibility rather than retreating. If you don't like the schools, then volunteer in the classroom, actually show up at board meetings, etc. The people who show no interest in changing things, and instead just tuck their collective tails between their legs, are no different than the liberals in 2004 who said they were moving to Canada because the election didn't go their way. Either way, regardless of motivation, the cowards have "cut and run" in the words of Jean Schmidt, and it's up to us remaining Cincinnatians to pick up the pieces.
i hope to see cute and cuddly nick spencer poseing for cute photo-ops all weekend long at his re-birthing festival with his head tilted sideways and his waifish body!!!ummm makes me wanna cum!!!(sic)moan...unngghhh makes me tingle all over.stop it please your killing me.
What a silly discussion. People act out of their own self-interest. You get a few years on this earth and then you die -- some sooner than others and some richer than others. Always been so and always will. People choose to live their lives in positive ways and negative ways -- and some combination of both. Thugs are no thugs because of big whitey -- they are thugs because it's fun, makes them feel like real men in a society that has emasculated them because it wants them to be smart, hard working, and well behaved. Every generation and every age thinks they are going to change the world for the better -- the founding fathers and mothers believed it and so did Hitler -- yet the world just goes on from one mass extinction to another. Thus, I will spend my little life here trying to enjoy myself in whatever ways I can and I expect you will do the same, and hopefully for neither of us, enjoyment in life comes from violence or thuggishness. That is, unfortunately, not true for some.
Oh, and Mikey, do you really believe that all jobs in the United States will just disappear someday because people moved to the suburbs? Have you looked at suburban office parks lately?
Anon:
I'll make sure to tell my black boyfriend that I can't date him anymore because I fear he will mug and rape me, and he will never be good enough for me because he doesn't care to educate himself.....if I see him since he works two jobs.
jharrison9: Will your large, suburban office parks be likely to stick around if they have no international airport nearby? Will your large suburban office parks be completely content to take their clients out to Applebee's or Max & Irma's for dinner? Will a night out at the theatre with clients be a trip to the cineplex to see "The Passion of the Christ?"
Mikey,
Citigroup moving 1,000 jobs to the suburbs of Cincy and the Fidelity moving 1000's of jobs to the N. Ky really does not suport your position. Not too mention the fact that the first significant tower in decades was just recently completed downtown. You're living with blinders of bias on.
"Will your large, suburban office parks be likely to stick around if they have no international airport nearby?"
you mean the airport in the suburbs?
Mikey:
The "international airport" may disappear, but it will have more to do with the economics of the single carrier that operates out of it than anyone moving to the suburbs. However, many businesses have already moved air travel to surrounding regional airports because flights are so much cheaper. And, just where is that Toyota facility?
I would also point out that with the notable exception of Pigalls, Honey, Slim's and Andy's Mediterranean, all of the really good restaurants in Cincinnati are not located in an area that could be called downtown. Do you have any idea how many good to great restaurants of all varieties are located beyond the moat? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about? Hell, even the only decent gay dance bar has left the darkness of under the bridge in the city (Yea, I know the Dock is still there for those Repub husbands who need the cover of darkness.)
RCT,
I have no idea what your point is. I completely understand that these companies are moving to the burbs. However, the question we should be asking is, can these suburban companies function independently of the city and all of the perks it offers? The city of Cincinnati has numerous colleges and universities within its limits, it allows us to have regional, comprehensive bus transportation, it has nationally known sports teams, museums, and theaters, it has some of the best city parks in the country etc. etc. etc. Do any of these help to retain businesses in the tri-state area? I think they do. Otherwise, why wouldn't corporations just move to Dubuque or Boise?
Mikey,
Well we're kind of talking around one another. No, I don't believe that the suburbs of Cincy can prosper without a strong downtown. But as you point out Cincy offers sports teams, universities, museums, theaters etc. It's a great small city with a well educated work force. Cost of living is low. Regional transportation and location is great for distribution. That's why companies are moving here.
Overall, everyone talks about how bleak the situation is in Cincy, but I just don't see it. Here are the real "metro" population numbers that show steady and consistent growth for the region. It's not Las Vegas, but it is growth.
http://www.censusscope.org/us/
m1...chart_popl.html
http://www.censusscope.org/us/
me...opl_growth.html
jharrison,
Pigalls is on 4th St.....that is downtown!
Rct,
Talking metro is pointless without considering the fact that the city is failing and no one outside gives a damn. All of the services I outlines may disappear if the city continues on its downward spiral. You say these services are why companies are moving here, but what if these services didn't exist? Would companies still want to move here?
Apparently many of these suburbanites have never heard of Detroit. If you want to see what happens when the city dies and the suburbs blossom, just take a drive up I-75. I find it ironic that the city dwellers that posted on here at least have the nerve to post some sort of handle while many of the suburban sheep that are throwing insults would rather post anonymous. The city isn't perfect but it is far better than many other cities. Luckily there are some urban champions of Cincinnati that are trying to do their thing to make the city better. I just wish many more of them would speak up over than typical rants I have grown numb of from suburbanites around Cincinnati. Schools in the city are a concern, I hope the CPS can turn around perception and test schools with these new facilities before it is too late but Brian's comments aren't too off. I have been exposed to many racial overtones. Apparently since I am white, some redneck suburbanites think I think like them and have heard things from people that are pretty racist.
If you have ever heard someone start a conversation like this, "I am not racist, but..." then get ready, they are about to say some racist shit.
Bottom line, if you don't like Brian's comments then don't visit his site. We have enough negativity directed at the city from media outlets and it is refreshing to find websites, blogs, and independent news outlets on the net that are pro city.
After going back and re-reading Brian's post, I have to say he makes some really strong points.
Mikey,
I'm downtown every day for work, and usually go out for happy hour 2 nights a week. I'm all over downtown, walking, going in shops, diners, bars etc. I just don't see it. Have never felt unsafe, even late at night. However, admittedly I do stay south of Central Parkway. I guess we're just going to have to disagree mildly. I do see your reason for concern though and laud the overall sentiment of your original post.
I wasn't born a racist...
jharrison,
Pigalls is on 4th St.....that is downtown!
Mikey:
Maybe you can't read or don't know what the phrase "with the notable exception of" means, but here is what I said "I would also point out that with the notable exception of Pigalls, Honey, Slim's and Andy's Mediterranean, all of the really good restaurants in Cincinnati are not located in an area that could be called downtown. Do you have any idea how many good to great restaurants of all varieties are located beyond the moat?"
You boob, I never said Pigalls was not downtown. Try reading. This city is what it is and will remain so.
Stop being a nasty queen. Sorry for the mistake.
Mikey,
If you would do a little research you would find that cps schools are better funded than most in the burbs. We are talking about a significant difference.
Oh, and west chester is probably one of the more diverse burbs out there. Take a look at the lakota graduating classes.
Downtown does not equal the City.
Nathan that is a loaded comment. Are you talking out ring suburbs or suburbs in general? I am not going to look up all outer ring suburbs to prove you wrong but you are off your rocker if you think West Chester is diverse or even one of the more diverse suburbs in Cincinnati.
The data is out there on the internet:
Lakota West High School (West Chester)
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/repor...UILD/
019737.PDF
87.3% - White
6.3% - Black
3.2% - Asian
1.6% - Hispanic
Princeton High School (Sharonville)
39.8% - White
50.3% - Black
2.6% - Asian
4.4% - Hispanic
Don't tell one person to do his research and then not do your own. If you like West Chester so be it. But as I have said before, West Chester is a burb, it is nothing more than a unincorporated residential pocket of sterile living. Some people like that and that is fine but don't compare it to Cincinnati or even Indian Hill for that matter. It is neither. The restaurant options in West Chester are limited if you are someone who loves local unique places. You will be hard pressed to find those in West Chester. Jag's & White House Inn have their place but outside of those establishments I draw a blank.
Now with that being said bashing West Chester in no way justifies Cincinnati's population loss. The numbers are alarming but Brian makes some valid points that many fail to see. Where is the other story? The topic is one sided. What happened to journalism in this town? Why the need to destroy the reputation of the core? People aren’t moving to the other burbs solely because of crime & poor schools. Hyde Park, Mt. Adams, Oakley, Mt. Lookout, Pleasant Ridge are all arguably safer than many burbs. There are also some excellent CPS schools in Cincinnati like Walnut Hills High School and some of the best schools in all of Ohio in the inner ring burbs of Mariemont & Wyoming but people aren’t moving to those burbs. The story makes it seem like people are leaving Cincinnati for the suburbs but that is misleading. People are leaving Cincinnati for the exurbs. The inner ring burbs aren’t benefiting from Cincinnati’s loss. Mariemont & Wyoming are both excellent burbs that are safe and rank as the #1 & #2 school district in Cincinnati so why not here?
Well probably because of the cheap land and interstate access in the northern exurbs. The short sighted vision with this will soon effect these people. I-75 is about to go through a complete overhaul that has not been done since the interstate was built and it will be an absolutely horrid experience for someone who commutes from West Chester & Liberty Township to downtown. The internal roads of these places are also inadequate for the current population and the NIMBY’s that live there are fighting road expansion tooth and nail. You name it, West Chester, Hamilton TWP, Maineville, Liberty Township, these people that escaped traffic are going to be in a traffic nightmare that is even more horrid than an I-75 commute is now.
I think a large percentage of population loss stems from the current culture. Everyone is caught up in this McMansion craze in America. People can’t afford these homes in Mt. Lookout so they sacrifice a beautiful second empire or tudor in Mt. Lookout for the 3,000 sq ft. siding home in Liberty Township. If you look at the data even southern cities like Norfolk are seem population flight issues.
You should live where you feel safe and happy. I moved out of the city (price hill) when some punk or punks came down my street and shot out the car and house windows of about twenty residents. I'm white and I truly believe that the punk(s) were also white. Nobody knows (including me) why the punk(s) did this. I'm now satified where I live now and I wish happiness to everyone regardless of where you reside. Punks and thugs come in all colors.
i think it boils down to this:
the desirable cincy burbs (hyde park, mt. lookout) simply do not provide enough educational & physical home value for the majority.
400K for a 2,300 s.f. home (soaring real est. taxes) in the CPS district just doesn't get it done for many middle class families.
a 350K, 3,200 s.f. home in anderson twp (forest hills schools) is the better deal.
hyde park & mt. lookout have experienced the slowest housing resale season that i can recall in the last 10 years. substantial real estate tax increases (2005-2008 cycle) played a big part.
current & prospective homeowners are tired of feeding the fruitless CPS machine.
If the city could gets its act together, this wouldnt be such a bad thing. No one disputes that families will continue to leave the city for schools and space. Its happened for the last 50 years in almost every major city that can't annex whenever it wants to grow.
Some studies have even shown that population decline isnt such a bad thing. As young single professionals, childless couples, empty nesters and homosexuals rediscover the city, demand for services decreases (fewer need for schools and basic city services) and average income in the city will actually increase because these people tend to be better educated wit higher paying jobs.
The challenge is getting these people to stay in Cincinnati before they all through up their hands and leave for some place booming like Louisville...
From CNN/Money today...
Although its a nobrainer article, it makes me even more pissed off at our fucking city leadership who cant do a fucking thing right and missing out on this fucking opportunity to turn this fucking city around..
Sorry for the profanity. Now I know how Nick Spencer feels...
See below
Cities are hot again
After years of urban flight, Americans are finding the appeal of places like Philadelphia, Nashville and Seattle.
By Les Christie, CNNMoney.com staff writer
June 15, 2006: 1:00 PM EDT
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - Retirees, empty nesters and young professionals usually have little in common, but they're all in the vanguard of a recent trend - they're repatriating center cities.
The trend, which began in the late 1990s, marks a reversal of the post-war urban flight to the suburbs. Now, it's strengthening.
"I think it's likely to continue for the next 15 years," says John McIlwain, senior fellow for housing at the Urban Land Institute. "Boomers are aging and people think of cities as a good place to retire to, as well as to continue to work."
At a recent teleconference of Coldwell Banker real estate brokers from around the country, the theme was repeated over and over: People are moving back downtown.
In Philadelphia, according to Harry Caparo, CEO of Coldwell Banker Preferred, they're resettling the old downtown core, especially the Rittenhouse Square, Society Hill, Old Town and Museum District neighborhoods.
In Nashville, reports broker David Barnes of Coldwell Banker Barnes, they're moving to the Lower Broad area, where the music clubs and honkytonks are.
Seattle's downtown is also booming, according to Bill Riss, of Coldwell Banker Bain, with high rise apartments and lofts going up at a fast rate.
What's the big attraction?
Young professionals make up a big part of the trend. "It's carefree living," says Caparo. "Young professionals just want to put the key in the door and go to bed at night and lock it up again in the morning." It's also where the action is, professionally and socially. "For them, there's lots of DNA to hook up with," says McIlwain.
Retirees love the museums, restaurants and, most important, access to the best health care. Empty nesters get to live near work.
"For years people traded a commute for affordable housing," says Jim Gillespie, CEO of Coldwell Banker. The further out in the suburbs, the more affordable the homes. But as suburbs expanded and got more crowded, road construction did not, could not, keep up. Congestion grew worse.
"We can't build our way out of road congestion," says McIlwain. "It's a feature of America's suburbs from now on."
So, as soon as they are in a position to do so, many boomers move to avoid all that traffic.
And they can often cash out pricey, suburban homes, buy a great condo in town and still have some money left over.
All the various demographic groups benefit from some of the same aspects of city living. None of them have to cut the grass or water the flowers any more. They don't even have to cook; restaurants are just a short walk or even a phone call away. Leisure time activities, such as movies, plays, concerts, professional sports, art galleries and clubs are nearby and easy to get to.
Of course the ideal of city life is not new. Centuries ago, Ben Johnson said, "When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life."
What kept many Americans away were the social problems that seemed endemic in town - crime, homelessness, poor schools. But cities are much better managed than they used to be, according to McIlwain.
Crime reduction in particular, he reports, has pulled people back. New York, for example, recorded a 75 percent drop in crime from 1990 to 2005. Most cities experienced smaller, but significant, crime reductions.
That's why the latest stats showing an upturn in violent crime are worrisome for city managers. Nationwide, the percentage rise was only 2.5 percent, but it marked the first increase since 2001. Murders jumped: 23 percent from 272 to 334 in Houston; from 330 to 377 in Philadelphia, a 14 percent rise; and 10 percent, from 131 to 144, in Las Vegas.
It may be a sign of things to come. CNN.com reported recently that an "echo boom" effect has led to an increasing population of young males, the demographic most responsible for violent crime.
If felonies spike, that could cause those considering relocating to hit the brakes pretty quick.
Donny Shacks,
Hyde Park & Mt. Lookout are neighborhoods in Cincinnati, not suburbs. There are 52 neighborhoods, if you are not sure you can find a link off my site of a neighborhood map.
The reason why Hyde Park is harder to buy into is because it is a wealthy neighborhood. Of course their will be fewer affordable homes. Anderson Township is an unincorporated middle class suburb. City income tax is one thing but lets not confuse that with property taxes. I have found that many times Cincinnati homes have cheaper property taxes for a similar price bracket than some of the suburbs. All the new schools being built in the exurbs are driving property taxes up higher than those in Hamilton County.
I swear if Hamilton County was smart they would cut their residents a break for living in the county. So Hamilton County residents would get a break for the museums, ballparks, parks, etc... So while the Art Museum would be free to Hamilton County residents, anyone outside the county would be liable for a fee. That would help recover lost revenue from a tax base that has left for a neighboring county without punishing the local resident.
Brian keeps posting more of the same, tired crap about the suburbs and why people are leaving the city. Got any proof for your claims? I didn't think so.
Bring the jobs back into the city and improve the schools, and the population will soar. I know many, many people who've moved to the suburbs for jobs or schools. They're some of the most progressive people I know. But feel free to keep tarring them all with the same brush.
You just couldn't be more wrong on this issue.
Lakota West High School (West Chester)
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/repor...UILD/ 019737.PDF
87.3% - White
6.3% - Black
3.2% - Asian
1.6% - Hispanic
Isnt that pretty damn close to america as a whole?
montecarloss -
my model illustrates why families are leaving cincy "neighborhoods" for outer-burbs with strong public school systems.
alternatively, single people and DINKS are not leaving the city, clifton, northside et al. for westchester & mason.
further, i was talking about real estate taxes only (not income tax). r.e. taxes (in city neighborhoods) are a direct reflection of the CPS situation and a "double wammy" (higher ownership costs & a reminder of the failing cincy school district).
whether its anderson, liberty twp, mason, westchester et al., families are bailing city neighborhoods for better home & public school value.
that's a fact.
Check out this 2000 article from the post. I think it bests represents the problems we are battling.
http://www.cincypost.com/news/
20...hool052300.html
^ Good read Mikey, thanks for the link. I didn't live in Cincinnati in 2000 so it is always a lesson when I read archived stories.
Here is a current update on the CPS buildings provided by one of the Urban Ohio forumers.
http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/...?
topic=2139.180
Hoepfully all the new CPS schools will help turn the city around for the better.
West Chester's demographics are hardly representative of the nation as a whole.
The below linked Wikipedia article, which extracts it's statistics from the US Census Bureau, tags the US ethnic breakdown approximately as such:
69.1% Caucasian (non-Hispanic)
13.4% Hispanic
12.9% African
4.2% Asian
1.5% Native American
As noted in the article, the percentage for "white" is dropping every year and expected to be merely a plurality by 2050.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Rac...e_United_States
Does someone have the demogrphics of CPS? My guess it's the exact opposite of Lakota.
Not the district as a whole but individual yes:
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/repor...chives/
SWOH.asp
CPS School: Walnut Hill high
Performance Index of "Excellent" scoring 110.8
59.4% - White
33.5% - African American
2.6% - Asian
.6% - Hispanic
Average Enrollment - 1,848 Students
http://www.ode.state.oh.us/repor...UILD/
039073.PDF
I just found this on the CPS site
71.2% - African American
23.8% - White
.8% - Asian
.9% - Hispanic
3.2% Multi racial
Also remember that part of the reason CPS pays more per student than other schools is because of the large percentage of poor students that attend CPS schools. For this reason, CPS receives more federal and state funding to aid poor students and their families. For instance, free breakfast or lunch programs for those students from low income families would likely be paid for by such subsidies.
69.1% Caucasian (non-Hispanic)
13.4% Hispanic
12.9% African
4.2% Asian
1.5% Native American
So if these are the national figures for the country according to the Census, how close is the city of Cincinnati to actually looking like America? What are the demographics of the city population?
Seems Cincinnati doesn't look much like America at all based on the 2000 Census, assuming that is anyone's goal:
White, 53.0%
Black or African American 42.9%
American Indian and Alaska Native 0.2%
Asian, percent 1.5%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, 0%
Persons reporting some other race, 0.6%
Persons reporting two or more races, 1.7%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, 1.3%
^ No it wasn't everyone's goal. Maybe you need to reread the posts because you apparently missed the points people were making. No one ever said "blank city" didn't "look" like America. They said "blank city" didn't represent the nation as a whole.
If you don't like the city than so be it. No one wants to keep someone in a place there are unhappy with. You end up making the people around you miserable but you sure do seem to go out of your way to cast a negative light on the city. Are you Brian's resident cynic?
Another thing, I had high hopes for the mayor but he really let the city down during these last two days of negative press. Instead of disputing the numbers or championing the city, he seems to have turned away and let the negativity run rampant. I read a quote from him in one of the articles where he said, “The city population would eventually bottom out”, what? I guess this is where we really fall short. Cincinnati is in need of a "type A" personality that doesn't put up with garbage. This is where I admire Chicago's Richard Daley. His mayoral practices have been questioned on numerous occasions but he will be damned if someone is going to berate his city regardless of merit. The city feeds off his arrogance and they are proud like him. This again is where Cincinnati falls short. The city leaders aren't leaders, they are politicians. Perception is an important part and the city politicians should be working on that in parallel with the other issues the city needs to address. Why hasn’t the city questioned the numbers? The Census Bureau is constantly off in other cities. There are many new developments that are under development or recently completed in the core, City West has come along way. Twain’s Point, Captain’s Watch, Park Place, Emery Building, American Building, Gateway Condo’s… These places are filling up, have these residents been counted? QUESTION THE NUMBERS! It is time for the politicians to be LEADERS!
Brian:
That's some tough talk for a guy whose "city" living is done in Mount Washington. We and the folks from Hyde Park & Mount Adams can pat ourselves on the back for technically living in a diverse urban area with none of the petty inconveniences of downtown.
When you have a wife and a child - then talk about suburban life. My guess is we'll see you on some cul-de-sac in Mason playing golf with all the folks you so brutally despise right now.
Wash Po article on the subject.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
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Montecarloss:
The city casts a negative light on itself. I don't need to help it at all. We will see what it believes when it again gets to vote on anti-gay bigotry in the fall.
"Question the numbers, question the numbers" -- you sound like Bush and Cheney talking about Iraq. Why do these media types keep talking about all the dead people and insurgents, rather than focus on the fact that we removed a brutal dictator who also killed the same groups of people and on the fact that women now live in much greater fear from the Islamists than they did under Hussein.
Of course, the numbers are correct. The handfull of people moving into the new developments you talk about are either people selling a place downtown and moving to another downtown place, empty nesters cashing out from Clifton / Hyde Park / Mt. Lookout (already counted as city residents), and a few moving in from outside. Converting buildings does not equal population increase. Of course, the trends shown by the numbers are correct. Look, in one form or another, this city will be here long after anyone who reads this is dead. Its relevance and importance to the national or global discourse will probably about what it is today. One can only hope it will be less provincial, less arrogantly deluded, and more embracing of modernity.
You can't make this city a great city -- it never was. It had its interesting historical moments before the trains went through Chicago. That was at the end of the 19th century. Mayor Daley is a mayor of a real great city and he runs it with an autocratic hand batting away all critics because the structure of governance gives him the authority to do so. Imagine in our racially polarized city, a mayor who literally occupied Over the Rhine, took truly blighted building away from slumlords through imminent domain, displaced those who were not committed to work, school, and community, and said, if you don't like it, shut up and get out. None of this consensus crap. Then you would get something done, but be prepared to be called a racist along the way.
You should read Citybeat. They actually attempt to talk sense about the City of Cincinnati.
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