At least he is trying to set a plan of attack and a deadline. With the current administration we could be there for a very long time. Instead this administration has admitted making "1000's of errors" in Iraq. That cannot be good for the US if we are trying to win the war. What if one of those 1000's of errors was a school full of children, getting bombed? The truth is, since the war started, there is more violence in Iraq. More car bombs, more suicide bombs, and more actual bombs. We here in America find it hard to step into other's shoes. I don't think any of us can imagine being in school and seeing a military tank rolling along on the street firing shots. We have no idea. It may have been bad in Iraq under Hussein with the torture etc. But more people have suffered because of this war, many more.
You are a sophomore correct? Well when you turn 18 I would like to see you join the army and support your president and this war. Do not make people like myself, who are of prime age, to be drafted, I will talk about why I believe there will have to be a draft in a bit, have to go fight. People signing up for the armed forces is very low right now, who would want to join the military in times of war? In times of peace it is all good, you sign up get your bonus etc, etc. We are now calling army reserve and coast guard and etc. to the main line. This is not what they originally signed up to do. Honestly, who will sign up for the military when you will get like 6 weeks of basic, a little bit of extra training and be sent to the frontline. I know many who wouldn't. Also talks of Iran and North Korea attacks in the future would force us to need more soldiers, and that is what we do not have. I believe we will have to put into play a conscript. I now know what you are going to say, the democrats are the one that proposed the draft a few years ago. Well democrats are typically liberal, liberal can mean a few things, liberty, progressive, looking ahead etc. that is what they were doing, looking forward, looking out for the future, the democrats believe in solving problems, not putting them aside.
As to your first paragraph,
I agree that certainly mistakes have been made in Iraq. But when you make a mistake, you learn from it. You don't surrender and give up, which is what you are basically advocating.
And there were certainly plenty of mistakes made by FDR and Lincoln during their respective wars. When those mistakes were made, should we have just surrendered?
And yes, war is messy. But when Iraq isw stabalized and has a new Democratic government, the people will be much better off.
As to your second paragraph,
Conscrption will simply not work with today's military. It takes way too much training for the military to spend all that money for training on a conscript.
That said, if the US were ever in a situation where it desperatly needed more soldiers, I would gladly go. But that time is not now.
Please do not compare this war to those of the Civil War and WW2, those both directly involved us and action had to be taken. In the Civil War, we faced a broken nation, and in WW2 we faced the demise of our Allies and even ourselves. So no we shouldn't have surrendered. I am not saying we should leave Iraq, I am saying we should have never started it. That is where I have stood since early 2003. Iraq did not pose a significant threat to us, no more than any other country that isn't the best of friends with us. If you want to compare wars compare it to Vietnam, similar in almost all aspects. And I think you saying that Iraq will clean up is wishful thinking. They will at all costs make sure that Democracy will not exist in there country, the insurgents that is.
Craig,
If the insurgents are never going to let Democracy exist, then why should we stay in Iraq?
And if you agree we should stay in Iraq, then why do you support Kerry's plan to pull out next month?
You are contradicting yourself, my friend.
Don't compare WW2 or the Civil war with the war on Terror, but DO compare the war on Terror with the Vietnam war.....lolol
You're funny. Stupid, but funny.
While you're at it, why not compare the Russians with Afghanistan!! HOOOOHOOOOOOOO, there's something for you to mull over....overwhelming numbers, massive weapons.....THAT was more like their VIET NAM than ours.
Speaking of, why DO you compare the war on Terror to Nam? Do you wish for Victory or Defeat?? By every acocunt I've read, we won in Nam, politicians sold us out, John Kerry as prime example. The lefties sold out the nation, kinda like WW2 Quislings.
Draft...ahahaha, the DEMO"s proposed it, but right now, it's all volunter.
So, if Andy can MAKE it to go, more power to him. Why don't YOU pop up and join then, since you're all for ANDY joining. Perhaps, with YOUR gungho-ness to STOP the war, you and your kind could go there, get the bad guys QUICK, mop up, clean it up, and then make SURE it's safe, THEN you'd have something to boast about.
Short of that, Craig, you look like the typical fruit loop lefty, who's pining for the Terrorist to win, over his own Nation. My, my.......like THAT was a surprise.
First of all the War On Terror and the war in Iraq are completely different, and you call me stupid. Like I have said, I didn't want to go in the first place, that is my main standpoint. And I have told you why the democrats proposed a conscript or did you not care to read my posts. Another thing, the War on Iraq, Iraq, is nothing like WW2, I didn't see Saddam Hussein taking over surrounding countries and calling a mass genocide, and to put it in the ranks of the Civil War? Cmon, there is nothing to do with Civil War there until now. To put it in league with Vietnam would be very much more accurate in the sense that it is an upopular war, it is very long, may casualties, etc. Also we were there to help "liberate" the Southern Vietnamese. I support the war on terror, but Iraq does not harbor terrorists. And since when did we win in Vietnam, it depends on how you define a win, tell me what does define a win. And lastly, keep talking your conservative propaganda that Micheal Savage and others tell you that we side with the terrorists. For the last time I tell you, Iraqi's are no more terrorists than we are. If they were terrorists why would we be fighting to free terrorists?
Well Craig......where to start...hmm, let's try this one:
A) There is a war, it's in IRAQ, we are not at war WITH Iraq. Duh. That ended when Saddam was removed.
B) Dem's wanting a conscript army? Please...the all volunteer one is working great. Goals are met, unless you ask some whack job lib ( like yourself ) and they'll tell you they aren't.
The Armed Forces project to fight on TWO fronts world wide.....so, this little tid bit in Iraq, is NOT over stressing the force.
C) NG/Reserves......they only wanted the bennies?? Probably why people like YOU join the force...cause you have no clue what the armed forces stand for. Oh sure, you only do a little bit of actual time, you get bennies, but the cost is: When it's time to serve, you will.
D) They are using MORE reservists and NG's, cause Clintons dumbazz, decided to rotate ALL the ACTIVE people in/out of Kosova once too often. What happens when the Active Armed Forces decide to quit?? They DON"T reenlist.
So, after the drawdowns, the buy-outs the force-reductions, they FINALLY said " hey, we need to bring in more NG and RESERVEs to rotate into these area's and help out ".......We said back then, it was going to be a problem. Guess what...it is, ONLY if you're stupid enough to NOT know WHY we have an Armed Service.
E) Being that you're clueless about the service and it's time in training, I'll presume you've never served nor do you intend too. Why would people sign up for 6 weeks of training, and during a conflict no less? Gee, Craig....I don't know, why don't you ask those who serve...they sign up every day, WILLINGLY, knowing the costs/dangers.
THEY know why they are being shot at......YOU could be popped by anyone, for any reason, at anytime, just walking down the road.
F) We WON the battels, tho we LOST the war...no thanks to the sellouts like Kerry and company. You take away your enemies will to fight, you won the war. Read the history of Nam...oh, my bad, you're not too bright about that either, are you?
G) We never helped LIBERATE South Viet Nam, we HELPED protect them from invasion from the North.
H) Iraqi's aren't the Terrorist we're fighting there......or haven't you READ about WHO it is we ARE fighting?
It's the Terrorists who are IN that Nation that we're fighting against, and who the Iraqi PEOPLE are fighting against. I imagine, Craig, you'd rather see them enslaved and defeated, instead of free and self sufficient.
Hard to do, with people like you, advocating selling them out to thugs, bombers, murderers, kidnappers Terrorist Mercenaries.
To lefties like you, ALL wars are unpopular, and long, and costly. That's why you people like to sell out and appease, then stand up and fight.
Pardon the length kid...I can't stand people who have ADD when they TRY to discuss Military History.
( Craig?? ADD in the current form stands for:
Advanced
Dumba**
Disease )
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