For those who don't want to watch the carnage:
Hillary scripts for Karl Rove et al a pre-made cudgel to use in Michigan and Florida:
"If we fail to [count the Michigan and Florida primary votes], I worry that we will pay not only a moral cost, but a political cost as well," she said. "We know the road to a Democratic White House runs right through Florida and Michigan. If we care about winning those states in November, we need to count your votes now. If Democrats send a message that we don't fully value your votes, we know Sen. McCain and the Republicans will be more than happy to have them. The Republicans will make a simple and compelling argument: why should Florida and Michigan voters trust the Democratic Party to look out for you when they won't even listen to you."
Besides writing an attack ad for Rove, Hillary is driving into the minds of Democratic voters in Florida and Michigan that they might consider voting for John McCain if the DNC doesn't grant her the nomination.
Shameful. Again.
I keep wanting to give her the benefit of the doubt, I keeping thinking she really won't destroy everything in her path, but I just don't see her backing down. It sad, really.
I admit that I'm not paying as much attention this issue as I should, but I have to ask: What about enfranchising voters--whose only sin was having voted in a state that decided to run afoul of DNC regs--equates to some kind of "scorched earth" policy?
Because through no fault of Obama's, who played by the rules, he's being made to look like the bad guy and the electoral-well is being poisoned for him come November.
If she was so upset, if she was so concerned about disenfranchising the voters, she should have spoken up when the pledge was being signed before Iowa. No, now, now when she needs it, she pretends to care. She pretends it's some kind of epic, moral battle.
Also, the Hillary Campaign is equating Florida and Michigan with Al Gore in 2000 and, in turn, claiming that if Obama wins it's somehow illegitimate (and this is all based on her popular vote lead lie).
This doesn't even get to the fact that her surrogates are out there saying McCain is not a Bush third term (Blumenthal), and others say that they won't vote for Obama because of his sexism (Ferraro).
It's all bunk and it's all sour grapes. If she can't win, she going to ensure Obama can't either. To me that's scorching the earth Obama runs on.
Kvatch-If the DNC decision to not count Florida & Michigan votes was such a disenfranchising heinous outrage, Hillary really should have kicked up a storm then. The fact is all the Democratic candidates knew what was happenining, it was not done in secret in the middle of the night, and no one put up a stink. Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan -- how can those Michigan votes count if one of the two remaining candidates wasn't even on the ballot?
She's now taking all that one step further by basically suggesting that if she doesn't get her way (ie uncountable votes get counted) the people in FL & MI should consider voting Republican. How does that serve the national interest?
Kvatch-If the DNC decision to not count Florida & Michigan votes was such a disenfranchising heinous outrage, Hillary really should have kicked up a storm then. The fact is all the Democratic candidates knew what was happenining, it was not done in secret in the middle of the night, and no one put up a stink.
I said "disenfranchising". "Heinous outrage," are your words, and as for no one putting up a stink: What you really mean is that no one in the party elite put up a stink. All very well, but refusing to seat those delegates contributes to voter cynicism, as surely as if a Diebold AccuVote turned their votes from Clinton and Obama to McCain. Given that situation, I'd want to stay home too, and I wouldn't need Ferraro to tell me how to feel.
And finally, if you all are going elevate my comment into the post in order to drive home your point, at least do me the courtesy of including the whole comment. Taken in context, it was an honest question.
And...spell my f*cking name right.
Kvatch, I honestly meant no disrespect. Your name has been fixed and entire context added. I agree, it was an honest question and I thought I was answering you thoughtfully, if a bit heated. I apologize.
-Creature
Creature, I appreciate your taking the time to do the correction above.
I suppose that this whole Clinton/Obama debate brings out the worst in us all. Godness knows I've written about it a few times on Ragebot and gotten flamed right down to my asbestos shorts for my trouble. My opinion is that the rancor between the sides of the Democratic party is putting us at terrible risk for the general election. We better make common cause soon.
No hard feelings.
K.
Thanks, K.
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