I thought we had all the fucktards
IdahoMoe | 09.15.06 - 10:38 pm | #

If they really were Steve Irwin fans they would know he would NEVER hurt an animal, not even the stingray who killed him.

Why are people so stupid?
Gara | 09.15.06 - 10:42 pm | #

Ludicrous Diversion

http://video.google.com/ videopla...675105275097719

London 7/7
Masher1 | Homepage | 09.15.06 - 10:43 pm | #

Why are people so stupid?
Gara | 09.15.06 - 10:42 pm | #

There are very few in the world who actually UNDERSTAND anything. They just feel things. They felt entertained by Irwin, so they felt angry about stingrays when he died.

These people are the rule, not the exception. And that's a sad thing.
Anonymous | 09.15.06 - 10:45 pm | #

Knowing Steve, he would have forgiven the stingray in his final few seconds as he managed to pull off that barb stuck into his heart.

And knowing him, he would condemn these jokers for doing exactly the opposite of what he stood for.
AR | 09.15.06 - 10:46 pm | #

We live in a time when we are surrounded by ...


EVIL DOERS!

Is it any wonder?
Mark | 09.15.06 - 10:47 pm | #

Terrorist Stingrays! BRING 'EM ON!
swbuzzard | 09.15.06 - 10:49 pm | #

I thought Australians hated him - or was that just when the ridiculous board game came out?

I've always thought, Gara, that the difference between intelligence and stupidity was that there's a limit to intelligence.
Amy | 09.15.06 - 10:50 pm | #

Plus, we all know Australians are nothing but criminals, anyway.

"Bullfrogs? 'Ats a funny name. I woulda called them chazwozzles!"
Anonymous | 09.15.06 - 10:50 pm | #

the only thing humans know to do is kill, kill what you dont understand , kill just for the fun of it, kill for revenge , kill for money for love for shear meaness, and you tell me theirs a god, if thier is hes a madman, followed by fools!
tyree | 09.15.06 - 10:52 pm | #

This is so sad. This is not what Steve Irwin would've wanted. He would've wanted acceptance and forgiveness from his fans - and I think he would've trusted them to do that for him and for animalkind.
Ginger Winchester | Homepage | 09.15.06 - 10:53 pm | #

Greetings from Montreal, CANADA. It's been a very odd three days. I was there when all this s**t whent down. All I can say is this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z...related& search=

Greetings
aangus | 09.15.06 - 10:53 pm | #

The only way to potentially reduce the danger to us troops is to convert them to islam.. even then, you’d better hope you picked the right sect. Terrorists hate us becaue we’re infidels, not because we ‘torture’ people at gitmo

Comment by Andrew | Email | Homepage | 9/15/2006 - 1:49 pm

Just saw this over at polipundit. They are royally pissed at McCain.
Janet | 09.15.06 - 10:55 pm | #

That's so a week ago. Catch up.
Greg | 09.15.06 - 10:55 pm | #

Unbelievable.
Joe Marasmus | 09.15.06 - 10:59 pm | #

I live in Australia and heard a debate on this subject just this past week on a daytime call-in radio show. One person reported, and the radio show host agreed that much of the reports on stingray attacks, mutilations and killings were in places that had previous reports of such disturbances. Also, people were calling in with stingray recipes. I don't know what to think of all of it, whether the reports are indeed escalating or if it is just a matter of media reporting on things that they've never touched before because the subject is of timely interest.
Mike Outback | 09.15.06 - 11:00 pm | #

Yerp.
Sorry for laughing at Americans for so long, thinking that stupid was their preserve.
Damn, you conquered everything else.
We thought we might have some stupid left over.
Obviously.
Apologies. Hope you get back on track soon...
Feckin European | 09.15.06 - 11:00 pm | #

I'm with Germain Greer on this one.
mudkitty | 09.15.06 - 11:00 pm | #

What a bunch of idiots. Steve would never have wanted this to be a part of his legacy. He was all about protecting species, not killing them even if some of them were potentially dangerous!!
AJ | 09.15.06 - 11:01 pm | #

Democratic Microtargeting Efforts: If it worked in VA-GOV in 2005...
The new wave: "lifestyle targeting allows campaigns to identify supporters with 90% reliability, compared with under 60% for old-style targeting based on factors such as geography or ethnicity".

Joy Padgett (R) celebrates special primary win on day mentor (Ney) pleads guilty
Juxtaposition in local press like this just can’t be avoided

This Past Week in Jokes & Funnies 9/15/06
Link. Ex-Gov/current convict Rowland (R-CT) manages to link 9/11 and his prison term; how is a fence on the Mexican border like a condom?; ex-Sen. Kerrey (D-NE) zings Gingrich; jokes and more…

TV Alerts
* Real Time w/ Bill Maher 9/15: Michael McKean; Clark Kent Ervin; Gloria Steinem; Pat Buchanan
* Charlie Rose 9/15: CBS Chairman Les Moonves
* Political Capital: ex-Treas. Sec. Bob Rubin (Bloomberg, repeats throughout the weekend).
Newsie8200 | Homepage | 09.15.06 - 11:03 pm | #

You're either with us, or you're with the stingrays.
bert (here's the story of Bert | 09.15.06 - 11:03 pm | #

Just to clarify:
I wasn't calling Americans stupid with that last one. Didnt mean that.
Its just that we're all used to rolling our eyes and going "ah typicial yank" stuff.
this one isnt.
Just feeling getting ahead of thoughts.
Which, as we all know, never leads anywhere good.
Stupid Aussies...
Love everywhere
Feckin European | 09.15.06 - 11:03 pm | #

here's the story of...Bert's blanket!
bert | 09.15.06 - 11:04 pm | #

Campaign news update: Outside groups get their spendin' on; Does FL GOP LG pick have a George-Allen-like race problem?
Link. DCCC ad uses GOP words against Graf (R) in AZ-08; CO SoS appoints unqualified voting machine “expert”; the indignity of being a Congressman; shifty Shays (R); Rep. Keller (R) in danger in FL-08?; GA voter ID law struck down (again); IN Reps. Must deal with unpopular Pres, unpopular Gov.; great timing from Team Strickland (D-OH); party traitor in WI-08; Sen. Bayh’s (D-IN) really annoying self-flagellation; cartoon; ad scripts; ad buy info; polls (including an IA-GOV poll that you probably haven’t seen before); campaign news from AL, AZ, AR, CA, CO, CT, FL, GA, HI, IL, IN, IA, KS, ME, MD, MA, MI, MN, MO, MT, NV, NH, NJ, NM, NY, NC, OH, OR, PA, RI, SC, TN, VT, VA, WV, WI, and Pres-08.

Campaign news update: Under the Radar: Right-wing 527 group and Judicial races
Link. Padgett (R) primary victory clouded by Ney guilty plea; GOPers who run away from the far right; Crist’s (R) LG pick the next Dan Quayle?; confirmation of Boswell’s momentum in IA-03; Duckworth (D) separates Iraq and the war on terrorism; Defenders of Wildlife to target 22 CDs; Dems gain in voter self-ID in IL; ad buy details; Talent flip flops on wiretapping; polls; ad scripts; campaign news from AK, AZ, CA, CT, FL, GA, IL, IN, IA, KS, MD, MA, MI, MN, MO, MT, NV, NJ, NM, NY, OH, PA, RI, TN, TX, VA, WA, WI, and Pres-08.

Judith Miller was “excited” about Iraq war
Seriously.

Sunday Talk:
* MTP: VA-SEN debate with Sen. George Allen (R) and ex-Navy Sec. Jim Webb (D)
* Face the Nation: NSA's Stephen Hadley; Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Arlen Specter (R-PA), and Carl Levin (D-MI).
* This Week: Hadley; Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).
* Fox News Sunday: House Maj. Leader John Boehner; Hadley.
* Late Edition: George Soros; Sens. Evan Bayh (D-IN) and John Cornyn (R-TX).
Newsie8200 | Homepage | 09.15.06 - 11:06 pm | #

Campaign News Update: Nasty campaign ads up and running
Link. Cartoons; fear factor; NDC PAC to help House Dem challengers; polls, ad scripts; DCCC ad hits Hostettler on anti-Katrina aid vote; Ellsworth up in unreleased Dem internal poll?; creative Richardson (D-NM-GOV) ad spoofs Westerns; Napolitano’s (D) consultant minces no words; Sanford (R-SC-GOV) goes for the black vote; campaign news from AL, AK, AZ, CO, CT, DE, FL, GA, HI, IL, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MD, MA, MI, MN, MO, MT, NE, NV, NH, NJ, NM, NY, NC, OH, OR, PA, RI, SC, TN, TX, VA, WA, WV, WI, and Pres-08.

Campaign news update: Even the comics joke about Bush politicizing terrorism; time for Dems to attack Bush on his national security failures
Link. Sen. Menendez (D-NJ) has a message on Bush’s national security failures that should be repeated elsewhere; Virginians would much, much rather have Mark Warner (D) as the next president than George Allen (R); GOP spending hawks okay massive pork spending to vulnerable GOPers; FEC expenditures tell the story (GOPers on defense); ad scripts; polls; campaign news from AZ, AR, CA, CO, CT, FL, HI, ID, IL, IN, KS, LA, MD, MA, MI, MN, MO, MT, NV, NH, NJ, NM, NY, OH, PA, SC, TN, TX, VT, VA, WA, WV, WI, and Pres-08.

TV Alerts cont
* CNN Larry King documentary on 9/11 FDNY heroes: 9/16 at 8PM
* American Politics: Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), Gov. Tom Vilsack (D-IA), GOV candidate Chet Culver (D) and Lt. Gov. Sally Pederson (D-IA) speak at Sen. Tom Harkin's (D-IA) 29th Annual Steak Fry in IA. (C-SPAN, Sun, 9/17 at 6:30 pm).
* C-SPAN's Q&A: Brian Lamb interviews ABCNews' Martha Raddatz. Sunday, 9/17 at 8pm.
Newsie8200 | Homepage | 09.15.06 - 11:08 pm | #

May he RIP, but I kind of agree with PETA too. Now they must be REALLY mad at this new outrage against the stingrays.

http://www.news.com.au/courierma...96- 3102,00.html
ezpz | 09.15.06 - 11:09 pm | #

Political & Media Tidbits: Wheee! Adventures with Democrats!
Link. Rep. Udall (D-CO) goes sky-diving (video!); photo of Obama (finally) getting his Grammy award; Green Day & West Wing’s Thomas Schlamme honored; Carville at Toronto Film Festival; Clinton loves the ladies; Al Sharpton makes fun of Tucker Carlson; Stewart & Colbert v. Fred Phelps; Dean meets Rice; birthdays and more…

Political & Media Tidbits: Which TV reporter dated Monica Lewinsky?
Link. Lots of birthdays, wedding announcements, and engagement announcements; some political/media figures pass away; 50 Cent talks about Bush; who has the most awesome mustache in Congress?; O’Falafel booed at US Open; and more…

TV alerts cont
* The Daily Show: Bill Clinton on 9/18; Ben Affleck on 9/19; Johnny Knoxville on 9/20; CC Goldwater on 9/21
* The Colbert Report: Will Power on 9/18; Frank Rich on 9/19; James Carville on 9/20; Iman Feisal Abdul Rauf on 9/21
* Oprah: Ex-NJ Gov. Jim McGreevey (D) (and his partner, Mark O’Donnell) promote his book 9/19
* The View: Jim McGreevey on 9/20; Dr. Michelle Bachelet (President of Chile) on 9/21
* Ellen DeGeneres: Dixie Chicks on 9/20
* Leno: Steve Carell on 9/20
* Letterman: Ted Turner on 9/21
* Conan O’Brien: David Gregory on 9/25; David “Russ Lieber” Cross on 9/29

Complete TV alerts and a look at recent guests: September 2006 TV Alerts, Guest Watch
Newsie8200 | Homepage | 09.15.06 - 11:10 pm | #

Apparently some people think yer either with Stever or with the stingrays...
Clavis | 09.15.06 - 11:12 pm | #

Feckin European | 09.15.06 - 11:03 pm | #

It's okay. Many Americans ARE stupid, maybe even a higher percentage than in Europe or Australia.
ezpz | 09.15.06 - 11:12 pm | #

I think I speak for everyone when I say that mutilating and torturing stringrays is the only way to get them to rat out which one of those slimy bastards killed Steve Irwin. We can't send 100,000 soldiers into the ocean looking for a single barbless stingray. Those are sovereign waters. We'd need to be invited into them. This is Aussies killing Aussie stingrays. We're not in the water over there, but my Generals tell me this is not a Civil War. Now if somebody in my administration is responsible for any water leaking, we're going to get to the bottom of it and that person will be taken care of.
peepeeray | 09.15.06 - 11:16 pm | #

"The neo-Nazis, picking up an astonishing level of support on the home turf of Angela Merkel, the Chancellor, look set to win a big chunk of seats in regional elections on Sunday."

Americans are stupid?

Tell the new nazis all about your feelings of superiority. I'm sure they'll find common ground with you. But what do I know? I'm just another stupid American.
Bit NOLA | 09.15.06 - 11:21 pm | #

He was a nut. An exciting, entertaing nut, but a nut none the less. I'm surprised he wasn't originally from Brazil, where the nuts come from.
mudkitty | 09.15.06 - 11:23 pm | #

The stingray killers are most likely the same idiots that you would find supporting the Bushfascistas and their crusade for fascism.
Idiot Republicans.
Idiots.
Idiots.
Idiots of Biblical proportions.
God save all of humanity and nature from these idiots.
47 Steel Columns | 09.15.06 - 11:26 pm | #

Well, a lot of well-intentioned people also swim with dolphins and pass along their respiratory problems to them, if not worse diseases.

You can love wild things to death. And you can encourage incredibly stupid behavior by jumping in and mixing it up with animals as if that's what they are there for. And how much of that do you see on the Discovery Channel and other networks that sniff at real science and then take the plunge toward whatever's entertaining, science be damned, because the show must go on, and it must score in the ratings?
Bit NOLA | 09.15.06 - 11:33 pm | #

Hmmm... if Irwin fans are engaging in this kind of activity, it would certainly be ironic, given Irwin's position on wildlife.

It would be like ray-ee-aaaiiiin on your wedding day.
Loonie | 09.15.06 - 11:34 pm | #

I always admired Irwin's passion for conservation and nature, but he had two very bad lapses in good judgement that I know of. When you're dealing with large, wild, and potentially deadly animals, you're never in "complete control", not matter how much experience you've got under your belt.
47 Steel Columns | 09.15.06 - 11:35 pm | #

I believe that fish and human beings can coexist.
Gerald | 09.15.06 - 11:35 pm | #

I really can't understand the massive grief over Irwin. Frankly, he was entertaining, but thick as a brick. A bad advertisement for ADD. I think I get the convergence of his personality and Aussie goons who, oddly enough, subsume "love of nature" in the Crocodile Dundee persona, when he's really just a poacher. Love of nature = not being scared of crocodiles? Fits in with the macho thing, that way.

Irwin reminds me of the Monty Python sketch where everybody in Australia is named "Bruce."

The ultimate irony is that if he hadn't pulled the barb out, he might have lived. What doomed him was pulling it out, which pulled out a big hunk of heart with it. Now, it was probably hurting him like a monster, but still -- gotta temper that hyperactivity.
Jim H | 09.15.06 - 11:38 pm | #

Dee Dee Dee!
Liberty Lover | 09.15.06 - 11:43 pm | #

Bush was wrong again. Looks like men and fish can't peacefully coexist.
Dilireus | 09.15.06 - 11:46 pm | #

Sounds like "Wacking Day"
Thing Fish | 09.15.06 - 11:47 pm | #

If any of you fish in the ocean you all know that you kill skates and stingrays when you catch them. They're a nuisance on the end of a rod and stingrays are more of a nuisance because they sting the shit out of you if they catch you with their barb. Last July I was surf fishing in Hatteras and pulled a good size stingray out of the surf. I would have killed him but I attracted too much attention reeling him in and a crowd of 15 or 20 had gathered. I couldn't leave him on the beach because somebody could have stepped on it or foolishly grabbed him by the tail. I grabbed him by the nose with a pair of pliers and threw him back in. The next wave washed him back onshore. I walked out a little farther in the surf and tried to throw him back in and he doubled back on me and caught me across the back of the wrist. At that point I believe I saw Jesus at the end of the tunnel....the pain was excrutiating. I've passed two kidney stones that I believe were worse, but I don't remember anything else hurting quite so bad and I was in severe pain all night. Had I just stabbed him 4 or 5 time with my filet knife and thrown him in he wouldn't have caused me such a night of grief. When I returned home from the beach I reseached stingrays and they said they almost allways require a visit to the emergency room because of the pain. I found out later from a fishing buddy of mine that if you piss on the sting it takes the pain away. I think I'd rather just kill the bastard and be done with it. It's been two months and I still have a knot as big as the bone on the side of your wrist. Fuck a goddamn stingray and fuck the ray that stung my man Steve. If you all are so sensitive about a stingray, just be glad one didn't sting W or Rove else we would have to spend 300 billion on the war on rays. Detaining innocent skates accused of stinging christian americans....etc...etc...etc
GC | 09.15.06 - 11:50 pm | #

As far as I'm concerned, compassion is the most important quality for both individuals and societies. If this speculation about killing stingrays is true, it is sad, sickening and disheartening.
a. | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:00 am | #

More of the "Cult of Personality" b.s.

Don't fall in love with people, fall in love with their ideas.
Slacker George | 09.16.06 - 12:02 am | #

That'll teach those evil stingray bastards!
America's Least Wanted
budpaul | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:04 am | #

"Stingray killed the telescreen star"
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:05 am | #

WANKERS!
sepo | 09.16.06 - 12:17 am | #

I think all the blather and hero-worship about Steve Irwin is absurd.

He made a career and a fortune out of provoking wild animals. He wasn't the naturalist or a conservationist he pretended to be. He was a cheap showman, no better than the cheesy lion tamers and dog acts on the old Ed Sullivan show.

It's very, very sad that his children no longer have a father, but no one forced him to take unjustifiable risks with dangerous wild animals.

Irwin lost me as a fan a couple of years ago when he was photographed feeding chunks of meat to a big croc while holding his infant son in his arms. What a cheap, idiotic publicity stunt that was.

There is a debate in the Australian media about whether the film of Irwin's death should be shown publicly. 60% of those who answered the survey said they would watch the footage.

Irwin and his audience deserved each other.
Annoyed Canuck | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:33 am | #

2 Videos from Countdown tonight:

1st, Olbermann, Fineman, Turley on Bush Press Conference

Keith Olbermann’s opening story on Countdown tonight. Howard Fineman joins the discussion, and later Jonathan Turley. Turley discusses the point that Bush is trying to rush congress to pass this law quickly so he can retroactively say that the things the CIA did in the past were legal (even though only under current law upon bill passage). Turley points out that the 14 prisoners that are now awaiting trial have now had access to Red Cross and may start talking about how they were tortured. He also points out that Bush has already commited 30 felonies from the eavesdropping program and now torture, which is regarded as one of the worst things that can be approved by a head of state under International Law.

Video at : http://www.truthstream.org/?p=246

Next, A Thanks From Keith Olbermann

Keith said tonight that over 800,000 people have downloaded the video of his Sept 11 Special Comment in addition to thousands of letters, emails and phone calls. He then re-aired the special comment but preceded it with the announcement that legislation that would have allowed admittance into a would be ground zero memorial for free was killed citing a $50 million per year price tag. After the comment, he reminds us that since his comments on Monday we have been told it is ‘unacceptable to think’, even if your the former Secretary of State.

Video at: http://www.truthstream.org/?p=247

BONUS (not countdown though):

Princeton University Exposes Diebold Flaws

http://www.truthstream.org/?p=248
Scott | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:49 am | #

Remember, remember the 4th of September,
The stingray stabbing plot,
I see no reason why the stingray treason should ever, be, forgot.
frumpycat | 09.16.06 - 12:55 am | #

Random wingnuttery I ran across, discussing the possibility of genocide against Muslims. OMFG.

http://forums.the-ozone.net/offt...ages/ 97906.html
cousinlarry | 09.16.06 - 1:08 am | #

Scott -
> http://www.truthstream.org/?p=246

I'd say that Bush is a master at "red-herring" and "straw man" argumentation/attack, but he's WAY too transparent.
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 1:10 am | #

What's more insane than that? A couple days ago, I heard Rush Limbaugh point to the alleged Croc-avengers as a model for U.S. foreign policy! He had been discussing Iran and the hostage crisis. I guess it's not a bad analogy, really. The U.S. did get "stung" by Iran thanks to its support for the Shah. Apparently Limbaugh's answer to that would have been to exterminate all the "stingrays". Pretty tough talk. It's kind of odd though, since Limbaugh's hero Ronny Reagan would have sold bazookas to the "stingrays".
Cowpunk | 09.16.06 - 1:13 am | #

When I first heard this story a few days ago the first thing I thought of was George W. Bush killing small animals. That's no shit, either.

If true, it is not only sad but a pathetic indictment of all mankind and Irwin would be appalled. Man the only animal who kills for revenge or pleasure.

Irwin died the way he lived. We should all be so lucky to go out in such a manner.

His life should be celebrated and the wildlife he protected, cherished and befriended must be defended before we lose them to extinction as if we've not fucked-up this lonely planet enough.
Frank Zappa | 09.16.06 - 1:13 am | #

> Ronny Reagan would have sold bazookas to the "stingrays".

Via Rumsfelt. The Rumsfelt would stick the bazookas up the stingray's you know what.
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 1:16 am | #

Maureen Dowd writes about George Bush trying to rip up the Geneva Convention. One of her better ones of late, IMHO.
jurassicpork | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 1:17 am | #

uh, "Then Rumsfelt" rather than "the". Sorry.
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 1:17 am | #

More of the "Cult of Personality" b.s.

Don't fall in love with people, fall in love with their ideas.
Slacker George | 09.16.06 - 12:02 am | #

Most intelligent thing I've read in years.
Straight Shooter | 09.16.06 - 1:19 am | #

If these people were truly fans of Steve Irwin, they would not torture and kill his beloved animals. Irwin would have never wanted this.
Chris | 09.16.06 - 1:20 am | #

Cowpunk--

That is out of control stupid. And this man is the offical voice of our military overseas?
Chris | 09.16.06 - 1:21 am | #

Since Bush'll never honestly answer a question about Iraq or the law, etc., one of these WH press people may as well ask him this question - "Mr. President: What ever happened to Jeffy/James Dale Gannon/Guckert? We miss Karl Rove hanging out in the Press Room."
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 1:23 am | #

As an Australian I have to say the sadness we feel over the tradgedy of Irwins death, is equal to horror and shame we feel at these 'revenge' killings. We despise anyone who would commit such acts and hope the rest of the world realises that no one is more embarrased than us.... assholes seem to make their mark in every country!
Gray | 09.16.06 - 1:40 am | #

stingrays are nothing but theocratic lunatics, we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.
anti-citzen | 09.16.06 - 1:43 am | #

I believe that fish and human beings can coexist.
Gerald | 09.15.06 - 11:35 pm |



HAH!


I say we pop a few fins on out prez-nut and throw him in the water. You never know what'll happen. I mean, Dickie boy confused a HUMAN BEING with a bird. Anything's possible.
Not that i would wish harm on our resident as*hole. Never crossed my mind..........................
Yellin from a free speech zone | 09.16.06 - 1:45 am | #

adding insult to injury, scientists have assigned the dwarf pluton formerly known as pluto the asteroid number 134340.

that's right, they've given him a number and taken way his name.

.

.
skippy | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 1:47 am | #

It's the asteroid, formerly known as planet!
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 1:49 am | #

stingrays are nothing but theocratic lunatics, we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.
anti-citzen | 09.16.06 - 1:43 am




Fight them over here?

THAT WOULD BE SO F'N COOL!

Course, i'm not so fond of dyin'...
Yellin from a free speech zone | 09.16.06 - 1:49 am | #

Here's an update on the Plamegate's
Rove/Novak/Armitage/Libby/Cheney Cabal"

http://www.consortiumnews.com/20...006/ 091506.html
Liberty Lover | 09.16.06 - 1:56 am | #

Ronny Reagan would have sold bazookas to the "stingrays".
Cowpunk | 09.16.06 - 1:13 am | #





Well... wouldn't 'Stingray Missles' be more appropriate? Ah think so.
Yes Ah do.
Yellin from a free speech zone | 09.16.06 - 1:58 am | #

Liberty Lover | 09.16.06 - 1:56 am | #



Thank you!
Yellin from a free speech zone | 09.16.06 - 2:00 am | #

Ouch.
mudkitty | 09.16.06 - 2:01 am | #

"Mr. President: When you think of Jeffy/James Dale Gannon Guckert, does "The White Stuff" come to (your) mind?"
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 2:01 am | #

Bill Clinton's last days -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...h? v=W8Ep4ss_eaY
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 2:05 am | #

WE CAN WIN THIS ONE...

Stephen Harrison (D) for Congress in NY's 13th. Show your support.

www.harrison06.com
Dan | 09.16.06 - 2:11 am | #

100 years of Ghandi; for your reading pleasure

http://www.commondreams.org/view...s06/0914- 31.htm
Liberty Lover | 09.16.06 - 2:12 am | #

So, Steve Irwin started this cult of harassing and even killing innocent creatures who wanted nothing more than to be left alone. Go figure. Nice legacy, Steve.
Lori | 09.16.06 - 2:14 am | #

I think the cult wasn't started by Irwin.
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 2:15 am | #

Thanks Stanley Really enjoyed that!
Liberty Lover | 09.16.06 - 2:19 am | #

Get those islamofasciststingray bastards!!!
pinkobait | 09.16.06 - 2:20 am | #

"Can't we all get along?" or "Why can't we get along" or to use Rodney King's exact quote, "People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along?" is probably the most important question since the dawn of the agricultural age about 10,000 years ago. It's understandable that we don't know the answer, but what's puzzling is that we are not ever seriously asking the question. Perhaps we need to rephrase the question. "Hypothetically speaking, is it possible to promote social circumstances and commonly held understandings that support the broader promotion and application of cooperative and respectful values among the human beings of this planet in such a way that we are not in immediate danger of killing ourselves off."

When we start trying to answer the question about whether we can "get along" with the same energy of a Manhattan Project times the energy devoted to the NASA moon landing, then we will be serious about trying to survive until the next century. As FDR wrote the day before he died: "If civilization is to survive, WE MUST CULTIVATE THE SCIENCE OF HUMAN RELATIONSHIPS -- the ability of all peoples, of all kinds, to live together and work together, in the same world, at peace." Emphasis added.
And for the sake of God peering at the world through all living beings, let's leave the stingrays out of this.
anon | 09.16.06 - 2:21 am | #

From Obama's new book (I wish he were busy writing legislation instead of books, but that wouldn't get him the press that he craves):

"We Democrats are just, well, confused," Obama writes. He goes on. "Mainly, though, the Democratic Party has become the party of reaction. In reaction to a war that is ill-conceived, we appear suspicious of all military action."

"In reaction to those who proclaim the market can cure all ills, we resist efforts to use market principles to tackle pressing problems. In reaction to religious overreach, we equate tolerance with secularism, and forfeit the moral language that would help infuse our policies with a larger meaning."

It is just a few weeks before midterm elections and Obama is getting attention by bashing Dems. According to him, if we Dems (I guess that means all Dems) "react" against the Iraqi war (a war that is "ill-conceived", not illegal and immoral), then it is bad for the party brand. He makes no mention of the waste in American and Iraqi life, or of the dangers in setting in motion the civil war that is now taking place in that country. If those same Dems don't accept that "market principles", presumably those same principles that have caused a giant whooshing sound of lost jobs and a declining standard of living, then we are resisting efforts to tackle pressing problems. If Dems feel that religious expression belongs in a place other than in public discouse, then we cannot give moral weight to our policies.

I guess that Joe, I mean Obama, who likes nothing so much as the sound of his own words, is gearing up for a 2008 Presidential run. He knows he will lose but it will position him for Hillary to pick him for her number 2. Ah, that will go over big in the red states - Hillary and Obama. If that doesn't fly, then the DLC has plans to back Mayor Bloomberg, the Republican, for an "independent" run for the Presidency:

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/ loc..._258181718.html

This one, too, is sure to be a big hit in the red states.

There is one thing that I'm not confused about. The ruling elite of the Democratic Party, the DLC, doesn't give a damn about who we want to be President.
Damned Tired of the DLC | 09.16.06 - 2:28 am | #

"He made a career and a fortune out of provoking wild animals. He wasn't the naturalist or a conservationist he pretended to be. He was a cheap showman, no better than the cheesy lion tamers and dog acts on the old Ed Sullivan show.

Annoyed Canuck | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:33 am | #"


Such a sad indictment of your narrow-minded mentality. If you could see the work that this man has done over here with enlightening people to the plight of all creatures, you might take that back, but to me it looks like you're just an uneducated slob who sits in his chair without researching what this man has actually done for wildlife in general. Steve not only dealt with reptiles but all species of creatures as well. His love of animals came from his Father who fostered this interest in him, not the almighty dollar as you would have us all believe.

The work he has done at the Australian Zoo & Sanctuary that was setup so that people who came to get a better understanding of our fauna is truly something to experience. he has done nothing but devote his time to saving creatures, not showcasing them in circus acts which you seem to think. Thoughtless comments from people like yourself are as shallow and unresearched as the idiots that think they should kill Stingrays just because one stuck a barb in the poor man. Get a grip and think before you comment next time.
Scottie | 09.16.06 - 2:28 am | #

Australia, what a terrible place.
ITC | 09.16.06 - 2:33 am | #

Why are you guys assuming that Australians think they have to kill stingrays to get revenge? I don't think 10 people killing a stingray is representative of the 20.6 million people living in Australia.

Beside, fishers do sometimes kill stingrays when they don't want to bother worrying about their sting. I don't encourage the practice, but finding 10 dead stingrays isn't an uncommon number, and this wouldn't even be news if Steve had not been killed by one two weeks before.
Fhydra | 09.16.06 - 2:41 am | #

"I've always thought, Gara, that the difference between intelligence and stupidity was that there's a limit to intelligence."
Amy | 09.15.06 - 10:50 pm | #

Amy: Nope; the quote you want is "the difference between ignorance and stupidity is that ignorance is curable and stupidity is forever". You can be cured if you choose to be. Like if you use this reference in the future. Comparing intelligence to stupidity is oranges/apples.
Rev Zafod | 09.16.06 - 2:56 am | #

Australia has a right to protect herself.
cadejo4 | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 3:34 am | #

Sadly the fact that this is happening is a testament to the sort of people bereft that Irwin is dead.
I am sure he was a nice bloke lovely family man, but as an Australian I can tell you he was bloody embarrassing. I know people in the US thought he was the quintissential Aussie but he wasn't. His show was not popular in Australia, well not as popular as in the US. A lot of us were offended about the way he dragged wild animals into a hostiile environment and tormented them. The outpouring of grief for his death says more about society's fetish for celebrity than it does about Irwin. Sad really.
George Clooney makes a plea for darfur that is buried and already forgotten but old Steve just goes on and on.
But killing poor old bloody stingrays? Well it just goes to show the sort of people he appealed to
Alan | 09.16.06 - 3:36 am | #

From Olberman's show tonight:

O'Reilly's web site says "cut & run"

Nice, comfortable, well constructed, 7.0 oz, 100% jersey cotton T-shirt. T-shirts are full cut & run true to size.

http://www.billoreilly.com/site/...147& dispid3=102
Anonymous | 09.16.06 - 3:41 am | #

here's another one:

http://www.billoreilly.com/site/...781& dispid3=102
Anonymous | 09.16.06 - 3:47 am | #

Please Help

http://cancer.about.com/b/a/256486.htm

All you long hairs help out some kids.

Chop your Hair It will Help someone feel better.

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Masher1 | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 4:03 am | #

why haven't I commented yet?
aussieboy | 09.16.06 - 4:30 am | #

why haven't I commented yet?
aussieboy - 4:30 am

Dunno... are you maybe too busy hunting down terrorist stingrays?
nonny mouse | 09.16.06 - 4:36 am | #

Kill to empower I must be a man I have killed an innocent sting ray GO AUSSIES
necadawg | 09.16.06 - 5:19 am | #

This, and the story yesterday about the escaped slaughterhouse pig just disturbed this animal lover so much.
Makes me feel ashamed to be a human animal.
hello | 09.16.06 - 6:07 am | #

As an Australian I have to say the sadness we feel over the tradgedy of Irwins death, is equal to horror and shame we feel at these 'revenge' killings. We despise anyone who would commit such acts and hope the rest of the world realises that no one is more embarrased than us.... assholes seem to make their mark in every country!
Gray
------------
As a resident of the country of infamous annual seal slaughter, I couldn't agree with you more and you do have my condolences.
hello | 09.16.06 - 6:15 am | #

You can if you want.
hello | 09.16.06 - 6:20 am | #

For the love of God...!!!...Listen, it's bullshit OK???????

This story has been doing the rounds and I cannot stress enough that IT IS NOT TRUE!!!!
Wess | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 6:28 am | #

It was on MSN's start page, along with the slaughterhouse pig story.

It's not bullshit. Humans really do suck.
hello | 09.16.06 - 6:32 am | #

"I've always thought, Gara, that the difference between intelligence and stupidity was that there's a limit to intelligence."
Amy

Nope; the quote you want is "the difference between ignorance and stupidity is that ignorance is curable and stupidity is forever". You can be cured if you choose to be. Like if you use this reference in the future.
Rev Zafod

I like Amy's better.

Comparing intelligence to stupidity is oranges/apples.

Not true. Since stupidity and intelligence could be considered movement towards the extremes of a continuum, Amy's saying would suggest, quite accurately, that there seems to be a limit to how far towards the intelligence side of the scale people will tend to fall, whereas society seems to consistently demonstrate that, contrary to intuition, there does not seem to be ANY practical limit on how stupid people can get.

They're two different maxims, as far as I'm concerned. Relax.
Clavis | 09.16.06 - 7:04 am | #

We need far better education as just too many people are little more than sheep. People need to be taught far more how to be good citizens, to treat each other and the planet well.
Anonymous | 09.16.06 - 7:04 am | #

We need far better education as just too many people are little more than sheep. People need to be taught far more how to be good citizens, to treat each other and the planet well.
Anonymous

The ignorance of the masses has ever been a pillar of non-democratic rule. Kings and emperors and lords of eras past took it for granted that "the people" were clueless and easily led -- that this was, in fact, their "lot in life".

America was a deliberate attempt by our Founding Fathers to conduct a "Great Experiment" -- to see if putting the power into the hands of the people, rather than the governors, resulted in a better state.

People like Cheney and Rumsfeld have been working for decades to undermine this Experiment and return power to the few. Poor public education, rampant Christian fundamentalism and leftover Southern pride are among the ingredients that have allowed Cheney's usurpation of power to succeed as much as it has.

The Great Experiment is being thoroughly fucked with. And I'm not happy about it.
Clavis | 09.16.06 - 7:58 am | #

Steve was leading a group of Christian stingrays against a newly discovered group of muslim stingrays. One of the Christian stingrays got excited and accidentally killed Steve. Steve was killed by friendly stingray fire, not what the media have been feeding you.
NSA | 09.16.06 - 8:15 am | #

Gee a guy named The Crocodile Hunter died young in a freak encounter with dangerous wildilfe. Go figure.
CL approved handle? | 09.16.06 - 8:43 am | #

sorry wrong thread
al | 09.16.06 - 8:54 am | #



it's an open thread.

got a link to your story?
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 8:59 am | #

http://judicial-inc.biz/ I.r.aeli...t_argentina.htm
al | 09.16.06 - 9:01 am | #

al | 09.16.06 - 9:01 am | #


interesting, if true. need more links to back it up. also, the 3rd photo down is some very bad photoshop work.
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 9:04 am | #

true bull frog
al | 09.16.06 - 9:05 am | #

One thing is abundantly clear---Artficial Intelligence is no match for Human Stupidity!
Spanky | 09.16.06 - 9:11 am | #

do these people have any sense of decency or love for other animals?
i am just nauseated.
leftie | 09.16.06 - 9:14 am | #

al | 09.16.06 - 9:05 am | #


until we see some more links to back it up, it kinda smells like disinformation.

not that i'd discount the possibility of the story being true out of hand. history's shown us false flag attacks have occurred, and they will probably continue to occur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Kin...d_Hotel_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ USS...iberty_incident
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 9:18 am | #

i wish you hadn't printed this. it has nothing to do with politics and stories like this appeal to a nasty side of people.
monica | 09.16.06 - 9:23 am | #

Crikey....


a stingray pierced me heart
crcoodile hunter | 09.16.06 - 9:27 am | #

its early here just got up coffey cigerets wakeing up, to another day when folks will be discussing what that guy said yesterday on tv about the geneva convention, id have said president of the usa but really isnt the president the real one that controls us and our troops in isreal ,? whats the point in listening to this tool in dc ,the head of the caneset said dont worry about the americans we own them! no truer words have ever been spoken!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 9:31 am | #

too bad steve irwin never got around to tackling the wild beasts in washington.

i'm sure it wasn't out o' fear. probalbly just not challenging enough to interest him much.
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 9:37 am | #

*probably

sorry, lots o' typos lately.
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 9:38 am | #

great post bull froggy the truth is never welcomed but you have to try to get it out!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 9:47 am | #

'morning tyree, how's life for you?
aangus | 09.16.06 - 9:50 am | #

morning aangus ,well lifes just a short thinggy but welcomed every day, guess im good at least compared to ronald the tool reagan, and hows yourself my man?
tyree | 09.16.06 - 9:53 am | #

Erin you weep for the things that dont matter! setting at the table where the cool kids gather and not being allowed to set with them isnt such a bad thing, i was treated like that myself by guys in my school who were bullys and looked down on me , tormented me evey chace they got, unfortunatly when i joined the navy these same guys did too, i had to indure boot camp with these cretins , but the thing is i got my revenge on them !,thier all dead now , my revenge is i outlived them!! so out live thoes who shut you out in life its most enjoyable!!!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 10:03 am | #

tyree | 09.16.06 - 9:53 am



see my post

aangus | 09.15.06 - 10:53 pm

on this thread.
aangus | 09.16.06 - 10:07 am | #

great post aangus keep em flying!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 10:15 am | #

tyree | 09.16.06 - 10:03 am

Very suitable comment for where I'm at right now. 'nuf said.
aangus | 09.16.06 - 10:17 am | #

heh heh certainly is aangus!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 10:19 am | #

tyree | 09.16.06 - 10:19 am


Keep on rockin'.
aangus | 09.16.06 - 10:22 am | #

BUSH!



http://i10.tinypic.com/3zu5b4l.jpg
deletebush | 09.16.06 - 10:25 am | #

aangus as long as i breath and wake up every day ill speak the truth as i see it, if thoes that see my truths dont believe them want to prove me wrong let them try!! at least i didnt set back and not care!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 10:27 am | #

Thanks, tyree!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...h? v=NfZM3Zc05UA
aangus | 09.16.06 - 10:34 am | #

We gotta fight the stingrays OVER THERE so we don't have to fight them OVER HERE!
Anonymous | 09.16.06 - 10:42 am | #

why can't the aussies believe that people and fish can peacefully coexist, the way bushole does?
diggins | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 10:43 am | #

Stop the hysteria....

There is no makabre mystery here, fishermen chop of the rays before taking them up and throwing them overboard.. they are not edible, but come sometimes as secondary catch.

The only reason anyone notices now is that the place was for a while crawling with journalists who had nothing to write about.
Kald | 09.16.06 - 10:44 am | #

mudkitty:

You're the only one that has stated the obvious so clearly.

I'm sorry for his demise but after seeing a few episodes, I'm surprised that it didn't happen sooner.

Because Irwin pushed it. I mean he pushed it to ridiculous levels of unnecessary danger.

I remember a guy named Marlon Perkins on Mutual of Omaha Wild Kingdom. He and his assistant Jim mixed it up pretty good with the animal world but they never seemed to forget that they were ONLY guests. Irwin it appears to me forgot that on numerous occasions even after he got roughed up a few times. The animals let him go with a warning.
Daryl | 09.16.06 - 10:53 am | #

They say he could have lived if he hadn't pulled the stinger out of his chest.
mudkitty | 09.16.06 - 11:06 am | #

simple solution. rename the stingray species "osama bin laden", then nobody can kill them, they're in sovereign water.

Or tell the Aussies that Osama Bin Laden killed Steve Irwin!
WR | 09.16.06 - 11:08 am | #

After we kick some stingray ass, let's go after the glaciers. We ain't never paid 'em back for what they did to the Titanic.
Shirtless Joe In Vegas | 09.16.06 - 11:19 am | #

I've been waiting for Maureen Dowd to get back into Bushworld form. She finally did it, with "Awake and Scream".
jurassicpork | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 11:25 am | #

Scottie | 09.16.06 - 2:28 am | #


So anyone who doesn't worship at the altar of Steve Irwin is a narrow-minded uneducated slob (your words)?

Wow, you really respect the opinions of others. Who's narrow-minded here?

There are other ways to protect animals than manhandling and provoking them on camera. This may get the attention of the public, as Irwin did effectively on TV, but it does nothing to advance the vital work of protecting habitat or raising public consciousness about the negative effect our consumer lifestyle has on the natural world.

You said Irwin "has done nothing but devote his time to saving creatures". I say he was an entertainer and little more. His education finished with high school. Other than wrestling crocs and snakes for paying audiences at the family zoo (Crikey, mate!), he had no training or expertise in biology, zoology, wildlife conservation or habitat preservation.

Compare Steve Irwin to real naturalists, real protectors of wildlife - people like Jane Goodall and Dian Fossey. Steve Irwin had charisma, but none of their knowledge and none of their moral authority.
Annoyed Canuck | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 11:35 am | #

They say basic anatomy courses could have helped Irwin. Don't pull a stingray stinger out of anywhere on the human body without medical assistance is BASIC.

Human nature being what it is, however, is another matter all together.
mudkitty | 09.16.06 - 11:38 am | #

Saving creatures? Name one creature that Irwin ever saved?
mudkitty | 09.16.06 - 11:39 am | #

tyree | 09.16.06 - 10:27 am | #


good morning, ty.

got a question for you to think over as you down your java and smoke your squares this fine morning:

how does one unring a bell?
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 11:40 am | #

Macho macho man. His little girl, Bindi, is going to be a star. Mark my words.
mudkitty | 09.16.06 - 11:40 am | #

Hey Bullfrog and Tyree - get a motel you guys.
mudkitty | 09.16.06 - 11:41 am | #

funny bull frog i asked that myselfon here!!it cant be unrung!!!!and no ammount of beating ones gums can do it, no more then the tree in the forrest!!!does it make a sound? in the search for truths you cant be afraid to offend some who dont want to know!!! you can only relay what youve learned and hope this nation wakes up, ask putin of russhia he knew where his country was heading, god bless thoes who can see past the curtain!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 11:47 am | #

But for all our focus on Irwin, the last of the housing bubble has just burst. When land looses value, a depression is afoot. Things are about to go from bad to worse.
mudkitty | 09.16.06 - 11:48 am | #

who asked you mudkitty ????get a life sonny!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 11:48 am | #

tyree | 09.16.06 - 11:47 am | #


maybe if you pray real hard, you can unring a bell. you know, like if you squeeze your eyes closed real hard and bow your head the ring will never have occurred.

or maybe you can do it with digital editing. or quantam physics. or some combination thereof.

or maybe you can unring a bell if you annihilate the entire human race, including yourself. then no one can claim to have ever heard that bell ring.
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 11:51 am | #

thats kind of extream froggy , thoes that rang the bell allways have an excape planned!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 11:56 am | #

You unring a bell by running time backwards.
Clavis | 09.16.06 - 11:57 am | #

Sonny? Come on baby, at least get my gender correct. But of course, no one asked me. I'm just buttin my nose in, as usual. Take a joke when it's handed to you.

The old tree falling in the forest...
mudkitty | 09.16.06 - 11:57 am | #

if you got enough neocons together, you could probably storm wikipedia and claim the liberty bell never rang to begin with.
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 11:58 am | #

America is Broken and Bleeding and the press is putting this crap out instead of showing what should be the top of the news.

How about more reporting about how much corruption is rampant in our government. We're sick of hearing about blond girls and adventurers and other silly crap. The Corporate News System is badly slanted toward the Bush Administration.

Throw these people out of office, End this nightmare!
Bangkok-Bob | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 11:59 am | #

America is Broken and Bleeding and the press is putting this crap out instead of showing what should be the top of the news.

How about more reporting about how much corruption is rampant in our government. We're sick of hearing about blond girls and adventurers and other silly crap. The Corporate News System is badly slanted toward the Bush Administration.

Throw these people out of office, End this nightmare!
Bangkok-Bob | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 11:59 am | #

Bangkok-Bob | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 11:59 am | #


thanks for the newsflash. i'll try to start paying more attention.
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:01 pm | #

mud kitty i can take a joke as well as anyone !but comeing from you one has to wonder if its a joke, you consider me vile and uncouth hey who really cares? ive done more for my country then some who feel they are better then others , as far as the housing market goes ive seen it every time the republicans got in, whats the surprise there? its all factored in !
tyree | 09.16.06 - 12:01 pm | #

thanks for the newsflash. i'll try to start paying more attention.
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:01 pm | #

Something wrong with my post?
Bangkok-Bob | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:06 pm | #

It's not easy being human.

Odd thing is Irwin would likely be the most vociferous spokesperson for not doing this sort of thing.

We're doomed.
Al Swearengen | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:08 pm | #

bangkok you want the truth? the truth is all news wether its tv radio the news papers are owned by the same people and they back bush to the hilt!, that a few like oberman are allowed to speak the truth is just a bone they throw us, abc, cbs , msnbc, cnn, fox owned by the same people , expect any change here forget it, they play us for fools!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 12:08 pm | #

tyree, thanks, I don't get all those Networks, just CNN Worldnews once in a while. I get most news from the local papers here, they gave this story only two paragraphs behind the sports section.

Seems I just read some article about the FCC "hiding and destroying" a report that didn't fit the administrations needs even if it was a survey of the reader/watcher/listenership.
Bangkok-Bob | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:13 pm | #

Irwin was a conservationists, his message was always, save the environment and wild animals. They are doing the exact opposite of what Irwin wanted. They are *ssholes. Australian should arrest them.

I liked Irwins message, but not the way he went about doing it. In fact, I hated that part. It was only a matter of time, the way he got into wild animals' faces, daring them to do something because it made good TV.

Anyone ever see David Letterman and the Stupid Pet Tricks where someone came out with what looked liked to be a black lab. Letterman put his face right into the labs face and started making goffy noises. The lab stapped at him and drew blood.

I feel sorry for our environment and wildlife. They are what makes this planet enjoyable. Nature is God's very own chapel.
Anonymous | 09.16.06 - 12:13 pm | #

no, b-b, i'm with ya. just bein' a smart@$$.

which, btw, is only slightly better than being a dumb@$$.
bullfrog | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 12:18 pm | #

if the bush gang is lucky just before the nov election bird flu will break out in the blue states and voters will stay home , but no matter they dont intend for us to have an honest election anyway , see how well that works out?
tyree | 09.16.06 - 12:23 pm | #

cant you see the beauity in the bush enablers who own the news media???? they let you watch only thier propaganda , or read it in news papers , and after all that benifit you get the priveledge of paying them after they send you your cabel bill, god you got to love the irony in that!
tyree | 09.16.06 - 12:39 pm | #

they're fighting the stingrays over there so we don't have to fight them here.
r€nato | 09.16.06 - 12:39 pm | #

So anyone who doesn't worship at the altar of Steve Irwin is a narrow-minded uneducated slob (your words)?

Wow, you really respect the opinions of others. Who's narrow-minded here?

Annoyed Canuck | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 11:35 am | #

don't be ridiculous, this isn't about a Steve Irwin worship conglomerate. You see him jumping on animals and think that this is some sort of "one-off" experience???

I said what I said because I've seen his work first hand...have you? I feel that you have ignored pretty much most of my initial post and just moved on to reinforce your argument about Steve being some sort of animal antagonizer. I know what Jane Goodall has done with animals and she is a wonderful person who deals with creatures that are actually DIFFERENT from reptiles as such. Have you seen Steve Irwin jump on a Koala, or a Wombat or a bloody Kangaroo the same as he does with very large reptilians? Probably not, because the temperament of those creatures are different to the reptile species. He does what he does to protect himself and to protect and move the reptile that needs moving.

Different creatures require different attention....

sorry about the 'slob' remark, but you got me cranky...I retract that because I really don't know you! I, myself, am a slob. :-(

I'm just at my wit's end as to understand why people would think badly of someone who was as passionate as their Father about alerting people to the plight of endangered creatures!
Scottie | 09.16.06 - 12:46 pm | #

''Ten years from now, when we have the whole story, we are going to be ashamed,'' he said. ''This is not us. This is not the way we do business. I don’t think in our history we’ve ever had a presidential involvement, a secretarial involvement, a vice-presidential involvement, an attorney-general’s involvement in telling our troops essentially, Carte blanche is the way you should feel. You should not have any qualms because this is a different kind of conflict.''

~ Lawrence Wilkerson, in his "cabal" speech

SEC. 6. SATISFACTION OF TREATY OBLIGATIONS…

(b) RIGHTS NOT JUDICIALLY ENFORCEABLE.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—No person in any habeas action or any other action may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto as a source of rights, whether directly or indirectly, for any purpose in any court of the United States or its States or territories.

SEC. 9. RETROACTIVE APPLICATION.

This Act shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act and shall apply retroactively, including to any aspect of the detention, treatment, or trial of any person detained at any time since September 11, 2001, and to any claim or cause of action pending on or after the date of the enactment of this Act.

~ http://balkin.blogspot.com/ Bush....ssions.Bill.pdf

Bush lying us into a war and spying on us barely makes the papers in the USA

But 10 dead stingrays make the world press.

Velcommen to Amerikkka
Anonymous | 09.16.06 - 1:21 pm | #

I just came upon one of the most amazing photographs to emerge from the war on terror. It's not gory or tragic or anything like that but it goes to show the nerve, rock-solid competency and the talent that some of our soldiers, Marines and Guardsman have. Go check it out.
jurassicpork | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 1:26 pm | #

Steve Irwin was a great human being... UNLESS, of course, you were an animal that he got near to antagonize, humiliate or torture, while the cameras were rolling.

Animals, and animal lovers can rest a little easier, knowing this cruel buffoon can no longer hurt them.
Liberal from Thailand | 09.16.06 - 1:32 pm | #

Steve Irwin was also a redneck concservative, one who was taking taxpayer dollars to shill for the Bush Lite Australian government, had taken part in Bush photo opps, and had once publicly called for a liberal senator to be beaten for daring to go against John Howard's wishes.

Me? I like the stingray.
Oz | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 1:42 pm | #

One thing is true...
whether you liked Steve Irwin or not doesn't seem to be the major theme of this thread.
Too many self-important posters cannot even allow one topic to remain free of their rants about whatever THEY think it should be about.
Hey, there are a lot more threads...pick one that's relevant to your liking, or please just shut up
maxcat06 | 09.16.06 - 1:52 pm | #

I wish mother nature would drum up a plague that would kill stupid people.
Lesley | 09.16.06 - 2:04 pm | #

MAXCAT and who made you a monitor?
tyree | 09.16.06 - 2:11 pm | #

Unfortunately,we must pray for these assholes just like we must pray for Bush`s lame ass.That doesn`t change the fact that they are assholes with less intelligence than the stingray they slaughter.At least the stingray only kills for food or when threatened.
sully18 | 09.16.06 - 2:14 pm | #

I'm with Masher1 on this one at the top of the thread.....Ludicris Diversion
mudshark | 09.16.06 - 2:40 pm | #

how do you unring a bell?You can't.but the sound will fade away in time....bushit just keeps ringing away
mudshark | 09.16.06 - 3:18 pm | #

I don't thinks it's too farfetched.

Aussies can be like that.
beervolcano | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 3:46 pm | #

Holy crap -- so right-wing harpy Kate O'Beirne is MARRIED to Jim O'Beirne, the guy who was responsible for hiring incompetent cronies to try to put Iraq back together?!?

http://atrios.blogspot.com/ 2006_...842847686177230

LOL I don't believe it. She sits there on "Hardball", sneering at the Democratics and their "weak" stances on the Iraq War, while her husband bears a significant measure of getting us into the horrible quagmire we're in today!

Republicanites are such scum.
Clavis | 09.16.06 - 3:56 pm | #

Say what Tyree? I don't consider you vile.
mudkitty | 09.16.06 - 4:20 pm | #

Maybe Corvette could reintroduce their sports car, The Stingray, in Steve Irvin's honor.
ysbaddaden | 09.16.06 - 4:45 pm | #

Make that the Irwin.
ysbaddaden | 09.16.06 - 4:45 pm | #

Is it just me or is that little croc kinda cute?
ysbaddaden | 09.16.06 - 4:47 pm | #

Fishermen do that all the time to avoide being 'spiked'. Makes a for a good story for the 'kill all the people so the bunnies can live in peace' wacko's.
LDA | 09.16.06 - 5:01 pm | #

The stingray bikes were the best bikes for kids, EVER!!!! High handle bars are where it's at!
mudkitty | 09.16.06 - 5:15 pm | #

mudkitty What did you think of Ludicris Diversion? Did it spook you as much as it did me?
Masher1 | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 6:23 pm | #

Oh and The Nine Cell Intro LOVE it!! Two Thumbs And a Neato!
Masher1 | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 6:28 pm | #

"Aussies can be like that.

beervolcano | Homepage | 09.16.06 - 3:46 pm | #"

What sort of a sweeping generalization is that, you arsehole.

Just what makes Austrlian humans different to other humans?
Scottie | 09.16.06 - 8:18 pm | #

Steve would also be opposed to putting a saddle on a horse's corpse.
good night people, turn the page!
oZer | 09.16.06 - 9:23 pm | #

I would want to believe that the majority of his fans understood him and knew that this would have been the last thing Steve would have wanted. But there is always a few jerks around even among Steve's fans. I think he was great and I miss him. If there were only more people like him on this planet, it would be a better place.
DG | 09.16.06 - 10:43 pm | #

Hello said -"It was on MSN's start page, along with the slaughterhouse pig story.

It's not bullshit. Humans really do suck."

Oh, if it was on MSN then it must be true?? Although I do agree with you that humans do suck. I live in Queensland, on the Sunshine coast in fact (Maroochydore) and have met Steve twice. In fact I live about 50 yard's from the beach at Maroochy.
This story is a typical media beat up over something that I am VERY suspicious even happened.
All I ask is not to believe every piece of fluff that blows your way.


I can assure you that there was no revenge attacks on Stingray's in Queensland, either I would have heard something by way of local gossip or it would of at least have been in the local papers or radio/TV.
People are so incredibly gullible at times, it is for this fact that Bush is in power because so many believed the WMD tripe and that Saddam had something to do with 911 when it was blatantly obvious to anyone who did further research that this wasn't the case.

Revenge attacks on Stingrays...pleeaasseee... and so many here accept it as fact because it was reported in a newspaper in a different country on the other side of the planet by people who I doubt have even been to the Sunshine Coast, Qld, Australia.

TBH I find the reaction to a story that, from where I come from, so obviously fabricated (printed in papers overseas but not in any or local papers) to be a sad indictment of how easily people are manipulated and whipped into a frenzy. I would have thought that people on the Left would question a little more.
This story has mainly being doing the rounds on Left leaning sites and To be honest I've been continually disappointed at how quickly people are sucked in by bullshit propagated by the mainstream media.
Wess | Homepage | 09.17.06 - 12:02 am | #

I'm with you Wess. I, too, have met Steve and found him to be a lovely bloke who is highly motivated by a need to protect wildlife. I live on the South Coast and also lived at Coolum Beach for a while. We go back every year for a holiday and to visit old friends.
I've seen nothing in our local rags over here about it and was surprised when I read about it here!

However, comments like this:

"So, Steve Irwin started this cult of harassing and even killing innocent creatures who wanted nothing more than to be left alone. Go figure. Nice legacy, Steve.
Lori | 09.16.06 - 2:14 am | #"

really gripe my cookies.
Scottie | 09.17.06 - 1:41 am | #

Wess,

You're right and I'm wrong.
MSNBC's media outlets can't be the standard-bearer of truth in any case.

One needs to remember that they are still 'Scarborough Country', and Chris Matthews resides there too.
hello | 09.17.06 - 11:38 am | #

In my opinion, Steve Irwin was an electrical image on a cathode ray tube in my basement. His death does not diminish me in the least, nor do the deaths of so many other poor souls each day who never appeared on TV.

Besides, the whole "CRIKEY" thing and his manic gyrations were just GRATING. No worries, though.
Anyone who owns a TV can look forward to specials and anniversary
news reports until you yourself mercifully die.
scott | 09.17.06 - 12:18 pm | #

Scott,

Only if we choose to turn our tvs on.

My tv remains mercifully black and silent most days.
hello | 09.17.06 - 12:30 pm | #

Yup,

Mine's been black lately, too.
scott | 09.17.06 - 1:10 pm | #

Do yourself a service and READ this essay...
http://www.buzzflash.com/article...ontributors/ 415
George Bush, George Washington, Thomas Paine
47 Steel Columns | 09.18.06 - 5:39 pm | #