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The enemy will train for torture?

What is wrong with these people?
JR | 09.24.06 - 2:43 pm | #

The only reason they're talking is because of habit. They're not talking to explain, argue, or convince. It's simply a genetic tic.
Jeffrey Davis | 09.24.06 - 2:48 pm | #

Sorry, I´ve already posted this link in the last post. It fits far better here.

Secret Torture in Afghanistan:

A TIMES INVESTIGATION
A Silence in the Afghan Mountains
The concealment of two detainee deaths paints a troubling picture of abuse by U.S. Special Forces units deployed to the country.

...

Apparently unknown to Army officials, two detainees had died in the team's custody in separate incidents during the unit's final month in eastern Afghanistan. Several other detainees allege that they were badly beaten or tortured while held at the base in Gardez.

One victim, an unarmed peasant, was shot to death while being held for questioning after a fierce firefight. The other, an 18-year-old Afghan army recruit, died after being interrogated at the firebase. Descriptions of his injuries were consistent with severe beatings and other abuse.

A member of the Special Forces team told The Times his unit held a meeting after the teen's death to coordinate their stories should an investigation arise.

"Everybody on the team had knowledge of it," the soldier said, insisting on anonymity. "You just don't talk about that stuff in the Special Forces community. What happens downrange stays downrange…. Nobody wants to get anybody in trouble. Just sit back, and hope it will go away."

more:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nati...-home- headlines
the 4th Reich is rising | 09.24.06 - 2:49 pm | #

Maybe Frist worries that the enemy will remember to hold his breath while being nearly drowned!
gramma | 09.24.06 - 2:50 pm | #

When the hangman's nooses start swinging, Frist will be FRIST.
BoilThemInTheirOil | 09.24.06 - 2:50 pm | #

The enemy will start planting "gillyweed" between the rows of opium poppies. What will we do when "the evildoers" gain the ability to breathe under water? Oh the madness!!!
Baseballgirl | 09.24.06 - 2:51 pm | #

The fact that Frist is a doctor makes his cheerleading for torture even more reprehensible.

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Virt | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 2:51 pm | #

1) Torture is prima-facia proof that a policy is losing its way. As pointed out in the recent Wa-Po article, torture drives out intelligent interrogation and interrogators and let's in the "brown shirts" (they hurt and scare and provide lousy information).

2) Frist is an anti-Constitutional bozo.
AConfederacyofDunces | 09.24.06 - 2:55 pm | #

"That's so hypothetical that I don't know." -- Bill Frist

I love it how these guys, who point time after time to a Hollywood-like scenario in which a captured terrorist knows where a ticking nuclear bomb is, will avoid a hypothetical that's 100 times more likely to occur.
Mike | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 2:58 pm | #

We have the threat of terrorism from abroad, but we have the homegrown threat of facism here at home. We have...

(1.) A written plan for 'benevolent' world hegemony by PNAC, who handles foreign policy (Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc)
(2.) The U.S. spends half of the worlds expenditures for the military, a spending spree similiar to Germany's prior to WW2.
(3.) The introduction of the 'unitary executive' concept, the decider, Der Führer, who can nullify the constitution...
(4.) Endorsement of torture...
(5.) The conversion of the federally regulated new media into a propaganda machine.
(6.) In lieu of a master race, a master religion of sorts.

You know, when it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck ... it's a duck!

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NoBuddy | 09.24.06 - 2:58 pm | #

With friends like "Doktor" Frist in charge, who needs enemas?
kablooie | 09.24.06 - 3:00 pm | #

And I bet he sent his kids to Jesus Camp, too.
kablooie | 09.24.06 - 3:01 pm | #

Mike | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 2:58 pm |

"I love it how these guys, who point time after time to a Hollywood-like scenario in which a captured terrorist knows where a ticking nuclear bomb is, will avoid a hypothetical that's 100 times more likely to occur."

Touche'.
AConfederacyofDunces | 09.24.06 - 3:01 pm | #

Frist(Mengele) wants to pass George Bush's TORTURE bill, because it retroactively absolves Bush from war crimes. They are trying to protect their criminal in chief!!!!

These republicans haven't been so desperate to try to pass any other piece of legislation as they are to pass this. Without this bill, George Bush is blatantly a war criminal, and his nazi footsoldiers in the congress are trying to cover for him.
foolme1ns | 09.24.06 - 3:01 pm | #

what are they going to do, equip themselves with gills?

Christ the Republicans think we're all as stupid as Bush.

Why shouldn't they? Half the country votes for them every four years.
r€nato | 09.24.06 - 3:01 pm | #

Very, very lame performance. And I do mean performance. No one can actually believe the nonsense that Frist spouted. Frist did nothing more than recite a chain of GOP buzz words with zero substance. And to borrow from Rummy, these guys sound like Henny Penny the sky is falling when it comes to terrorism. The classified report says that if the sky is falling, the Bush administration is to blame.
Bush is a dunce | 09.24.06 - 3:02 pm | #

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"We’re crying out to our institutions
But they’re bought and paid with corrupt contributions
Some praise the flag yet burn the Constitution
While democracy’s in danger of total ruin

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They ship ‘em out so we can’t see the way they bring ‘em to their knees
Keep you eyes glued to the news, a woman may not have the right to choose
Prayer in school? Pray to whom? Buddha? Krishna? Or Reverend Moon?
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Your word’s no longer worth a dime
How many lies, how many cries, how many lives per gallon?

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They might not like what it’s gonna say
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The holy hypocrites are gonna pay."

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Wackiavelli | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 3:02 pm | #

what do you expect from a guy who loved to kill cats?
r€nato | 09.24.06 - 3:03 pm | #

actually he didn't just kill cats, he vivisected them. He cut them open while they were alive.

He probably masturbates to Bush's torture videos.
r€nato | 09.24.06 - 3:04 pm | #

It is no longer called "Water Boarding"

It's now called "Bobbing for Freedom(TM)" -- Rev. Richard Skull, posting on alt.slack
just john | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 3:05 pm | #

you better all start learning how to hold your breath ,i recomend deep meditation
al | 09.24.06 - 3:06 pm | #

We are in deep dodo, with these leaders we have. Can you say stupid.
freder421 | 09.24.06 - 3:08 pm | #

These a-holes don't read anything, do they?

I seem to recall a week or two ago when Cheney was on Meet The Press, he told Timmeh that he hadn't read the Senate report that said there was absolutely no linkage between Saddam and 9/11 and that he viewed outside terror organizations as a threat. The report had been out for days.

It's quite obvious that they read these reports, then go on the Sunday shows to distract and deflect all critisisms away from these damning reports.
Drag the Magic Puffin | 09.24.06 - 3:09 pm | #

Where are the Dem's??

Valiantly struggling to pull defeat from the jaws of victory? Have they no balls or at least some sort of moral outrage? Are they afraid that Rove will turn on them?? WTF is wrong with your political system? Where's the opposition -- The McCain Rebel's -- is this the new opposition? The Repug's will now play the part of the opposition too and by default make the Democratic Party obsolete?

Brilliant.
Genuinely Perplexed Canuck | 09.24.06 - 3:12 pm | #

I'm honestly more interested in knowing how in the world Frist got a medical degree, and a surgeon none the less. In my freshman and sophomore years of engineering school I was with a lot of pre-med students and although those classes weren't that tough, the med school people HAD to get straight A's - had to. I can't imagine Frist doing it on the up and up. How does George Allen get a law degree. Some of my friends got their law degrees and the load they went through was brutal. These guys were so much smarter than Allen I can't even believe it. I can't understand how these guys did it.
Barge Atwil | 09.24.06 - 3:14 pm | #

Whoah, when they start training against executions... we're fucked.
jfbguy | 09.24.06 - 3:16 pm | #

look at arnold for governer who would have thought that dumb shits could be leader's i guess amarica is land of the dumb
al | 09.24.06 - 3:17 pm | #

I would love for someone to ask Frist if waterboarding is against the hippocratic oath, the oath he took to become a doctor.
Fred F. | 09.24.06 - 3:17 pm | #

Dr "Mengele" Frist.

They don't read the reports and to them that absolves them of all responsibility. What a job these Republican Senators have. Not doing your job is a good thing!
Verum | 09.24.06 - 3:17 pm | #

Christ, these people are disgusting. One day all these sons of bitches are going to have to answer for this. Torture can not be justified.

Here is an idea, how about Frist gets waterboarded live on Fox tv. Then he can tell his adoring public that waterboarding is not torture and it is a perfectly ok thing to be doing to detainees.
t_rex | 09.24.06 - 3:24 pm | #

Floundering and grasping at talking points. If I were Frist I'd be more concerned about Republicans getting drown-proofing training than terrorists; he, for one, is barely staying afloat and sinking fast.
Hamasi | 09.24.06 - 3:25 pm | #

And the the good people of USA will reelect this frightmongering torturer, just wait and see.
Kald | 09.24.06 - 3:27 pm | #

if am going down all of amarica is going down with me says bush
al | 09.24.06 - 3:29 pm | #

His appearance today was a joke. It is hard to believe this man graduated from high school, much less Harvard Medical School.

Does he really think anyone would vote for him for president? I guess he is just that arrogant -- and stupid.
unpoetaloco | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 3:32 pm | #

Training for torture.
What a crock of shit!!
Listening to their bs is like listening to the excuses of people being caught on "COPS" or "CHEATERS". Heard it all before.

WHERE'S ALL THE "MONEY" GOING MR FRIST???

MILLIONS PER HOUR!
Anonymous | 09.24.06 - 3:32 pm | #

May I offer a prediction. Gas prices are going down. After the election they will go up. If Dems win, they (MSM + Fox) will contend that gas prices have gone up because Dems won. If Repugs win, they will contend that it is a product of our supply and demand market. You can't beat these corporatists. It's all a Catch 22.
nlacey | 09.24.06 - 3:33 pm | #

The republicans have finally made torture an American value.

Good job, republicans.

Any democrat voting for it, should be thrown out on his/her ass.
ScaryPatriot | 09.24.06 - 3:36 pm | #

If i lived and voted in tennessee, i would be embarrassed that this douche bag represents me. His actions and remarks represent his loyalty to the Rove written, Bush administration and not the people who sent him there. 25% approval rating, nobody should keep a job with a 25% approval rating!
WR | 09.24.06 - 3:38 pm | #

Stephanopolis: "your comments sir?"

Frist: "Well George, the bad things are classified so...hands tied here.
Let's concentrate on the good things..."

Stephanopolis: "OK"

Frist: "The marines just drywalled a cafeteria..."

Stephanopolis: "mmmhmm"

Frist:" Half the toilets In Bagdahd city hall are now up and flushing!!"

Stephanopolis: "Actually sir, I believe all the toilets are flushing, but only half way."

Frist: " Uhh Yeahhh ....ya gotta doubleflush."
Marty | 09.24.06 - 3:42 pm | #

Of course I also blame Allan Dershowitz for making a debate over torture legitimate. "Torture warrants" -- what a dumbass!
Bush is a dunce | 09.24.06 - 3:42 pm | #

I know it's nitpicky but why do all Southern Republicans keep saying "The Geneva Convention" instead of the correct "The Geneva Conventions?" Is it just an effort to appear like a "good-ol'-boy who don't care about that fanciful wordin'?"
Brian Mac | 09.24.06 - 3:44 pm | #

Frist implodes from the vacuum inside.
Film @ 11.
Marie Roget | 09.24.06 - 3:47 pm | #

Why hasn't this fools medical license been revoked yet?
They really are a party of "gouls", aren't they?
tony | 09.24.06 - 3:48 pm | #

Frist claims to be an MD although there are some reports that he is actually a veterinarian. Even a cursory reading of the oath he took after graduating from medical school says it all: do no harm. Frist is fascist filth on the order of Dr. Mengele.
purvis ames | 09.24.06 - 3:49 pm | #

No damn wonder "Doctor" Sen. Kitty Killer approves of torture, look what he did to cats. And he filled out his CEU paperwork to maintain his med license like he filled out his SEC paperwork. Galldurn quack.
An Enquiring Mind | 09.24.06 - 3:50 pm | #

"Bill Frist is now using the Republican trick of saying that he can’t tell you what’s in or not regarding torture because the enemy will then train for it."

I hope they've pulled his license to practice medicine 'cause this guy needs some mental health care now!

Yes, that's right. You can eliminate any problems in life simply by training for them. Worried you may get into a car accident? Why, just train for it and your next car wreck will be like taking a vacation.

I seriously think that any candidate for political office should be required to have a mental health exam:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ ju...st_b_27822.html
Tom | 09.24.06 - 3:53 pm | #

Wonder how come none of the SCLM hasn't interviewed Miz Jessica Lynch or any of them other merkin POWs that were captured by the Eyerackees back in 2k3 about how they feel about the GV? That thar Miz Jessie is real purdy. Great fer the cable teevee.
An Enquiring Mind | 09.24.06 - 3:55 pm | #

Umm. Can anyone please let me know if there is a bigger asshole than Bill Frist?

Has he ever said anything that made any bit of sense?
William Fields | 09.24.06 - 3:56 pm | #

Could there be any greater degree of monumental HYPOCRISY than the support of a torture policy by a man who took the HIPPOCRATIC OATH? Everytime one of these "good Christian" Repugnicans gets in front of a microphone & condones torture, someone should ask them: "Who would Jesus torture?"
Spideymon | 09.24.06 - 3:56 pm | #

ScaryPatriot has a great idea. How can we access the vote on this issue?
We need to make the vote a very public matter all over the internet!!
Phyllis Culbert | 09.24.06 - 3:57 pm | #

I'm sorry, but is it even possible to train yourself into immunity from having your stomach forcibly filled with water, upside down, then being made to vomit the contents of your stomach? This guy is a motherfucking MEDICAL DOCTOR! What the fuck is wrong with these people?
JD | 09.24.06 - 3:57 pm | #

What a contrast from the Clinton interview.

Actors.
KuciniCH | 09.24.06 - 3:57 pm | #

Umm. Can anyone please let me know if there is a bigger asshole than Bill Frist?

Yes, the asshole runnin' against Mr. Harry.
An Enquiring Mind | 09.24.06 - 3:58 pm | #

Hey Frist, what ever happened to "DO NO HARM"?
lilorphant | 09.24.06 - 4:00 pm | #

The Republicans are borrowing a tactic from another criminal organization: The Mafia.

People like Frist should do their explaining in the Defendent's dock, begging for leniency from the court.
Capability Jones | 09.24.06 - 4:02 pm | #

I think the thing I dislike most about him is the way he smirks at all the most inappropriate times. Seems to be a common theme among the sociopaths, except for Cheney. He never smiles.
Jesus Christ | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 4:03 pm | #

OMG, this guy is an asshole!!!
Average Joe | 09.24.06 - 4:07 pm | #

Frist is actually speaking the truth for once.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r...20050323- 1.html
This little gem technically makes us all citizens of something called Northcomm, the US military designation for Canada, Mexico and what used to the "The United States".
Rice, Gutierrez, Chertoff and some Canadian get to be emperors in this new empire. It will be a true corporate state and things like torture can be had with a mere policy change memo.
Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. Massive meeting September 12-14 Canada.
You, me and 300 million others are no longer "Americans".
And, why is it I happen to be the only one who "gets it".
Lasthorseman | 09.24.06 - 4:08 pm | #

"Whoah, when they start training against executions... we're fucked."

jfbguy | 09.24.06 - 3:16 pm |

Wish I'd said that.
AConfederacyofDunces | 09.24.06 - 4:09 pm | #

FRIST is ducking the question. He has not given one clear rationale to any of the question posted to him.

It is very disturbing to watch this man whose profession is in the medical field....a medical doctor that is, and allowing and giving the president the leeway the authority to pursue an inhumane acts of torture without the considering the ramification that may place our soldiers in danger as a retaliation.

They also ignored the implication it has on our reputation as a nation in the International Community.

This is clearly irresponsible, egregious, and they must all be held accountable as a result of the mess they have created.
Anonymous | 09.24.06 - 4:10 pm | #

Let me get this straight, this moron says "it may have been given to other Senators but it hasn't been given to me" and he is the leader of the Senate?

Are we freaking idiots?!?!?!?!?
Average Joe | 09.24.06 - 4:10 pm | #

You can't train to resist water boarding. I remember reading an article about water boarding and it said the CIA used it on their own people as a training exercise. The agents who were water boarded knew full well, going into it, that they would not drown, yet they still couldn't hold out more than a few seconds. So I don't know what this dumbass is talking about when he says he might aid the terrorists if he answers whether or not water boarding is torture.
Beltman713 | 09.24.06 - 4:13 pm | #

terrorism is a tactic.

therefore a WAR of TERRORISM is a WAR to TACTICS. This WAR on TERROR is too vague, can this administration clarify this? Can they be more specific?
Anonymous | 09.24.06 - 4:14 pm | #

Frist claims to be an MD although there are some reports that he is actually a veterinarian.
purvis ames | 09.24.06 - 3:49 pm | #
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No, Frist never cured animals. He did "adopt" cats- but to do away with by unknown hideous, sadistic means- then butcher. Supposedly for med school? Yeah right. Thrill killing more likely.
Capability Jones | 09.24.06 - 4:15 pm | #

Hey America, don't forget "Dr. Video Diagnostician" for the criminally ill suffer when his narcissitic ego decides he wants to be "President Video" with his direct link to God's office Via cable link-up to republican Heaven headquarters. I would'nt give this guy a job stirring paint. These people are insane and anybody who agrees with them are insane too. Come on people wake up. How can you accept whats happening? Wake Up!
Badfinger | 09.24.06 - 4:16 pm | #

I'm glad they made things clearer even if now they can't tell us what clearer means. I feel safer now.
ckerst | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 4:19 pm | #

William Frist is a dangerous man.
sack of broken eggs | 09.24.06 - 4:24 pm | #

This is why the rest of the world thinks that the American PEOPLE have completely lost our moral compass. The fact that we could "vote" monsters like Frist and Bush back in, and the fact that there is no tangible protest against these torture loving, human rights neglecting assholes.
BoilThemInTheirOil | 09.24.06 - 4:26 pm | #

We better all work our asses off to see that "protest" on November 2nd. If you're not doing anything else, at minimum call all of your friends and relatives (ALL of them) to make sure they're voting. Call them today to make sure that they're registered!
BoilThemInTheirOil | 09.24.06 - 4:29 pm | #

There is a difference between reporting a practice and confirming a practice.
Tony | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 4:32 pm | #

Won't talk about waterboarding so as not to inform "the enemy". I get it .... we are the enemy.
falsepositive | 09.24.06 - 4:33 pm | #

When Frist speaks of "the AMERICAN People" he means CORPORATE AMERICA.

When Frist Speaks of "Most of the American People" he is clearly talking about the majority of the REPUBLICAN party members.

SO PEOPLE BE CAREFUL TO WHAT these evil people are saying....they are crooks and liars in a desparate hissy-fit.
Anonymous | 09.24.06 - 4:35 pm | #

Frist is the same guy that went to animal shelters for dogs and cats to kill. The same guy that practices medicine via video. Yeh, he's a great guy to discuss torture. NOT!
Anonymous | 09.24.06 - 4:35 pm | #

Yeah, here's a debate for you.

"Torture cannot be justified. Ever."

There. Debate over. Wow, that was easy.
Loonie | 09.24.06 - 4:37 pm | #

Mengela comes to mind...
lilorphant | 09.24.06 - 4:42 pm | #

Anti-drowning training is called, "swimming lessons." And they don't work for waterboarding.

For those who claim it isn't torture, let's try it on them. I'll bet we can get them to say that it's torture then. We can also get them to say they flew the planes into the Trade Centers. That's how useful torture information is.

It comes down to sadism. Bullies are addicted to torture, and it's got nothing to do with getting information. It's a psycho-sexual high they get from inflicting pain and dominance.
jimbo92107 | 09.24.06 - 4:44 pm | #

Hey, I have an idea!

Let's Waterboard Frist!
RobertVanHagar | 09.24.06 - 4:51 pm | #

Someone needs to tell Frist that it's not the Hippocritic Oath.
Eric | 09.24.06 - 4:55 pm | #

I just lost my lunch.....what a bastard!!
sweettp2063 | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 4:56 pm | #

Mr. Frist says this torture procedures are only to be used against non military personnel.

It will now be legal to waterboard and torture Civilian prisoners Bush in the United States or anywhere around the world.

Other nations may also use these Bush designed Techniques against Americans Non Military people in custody incliding FBI, CIA, You, Me, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and any other non military American.

I feel safer already; don't you?
Donald | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 5:01 pm | #

It is VERY clear to me that the ADMINISTRATION want a clear narrow defined toture tactics that is legal and illegal. They want a laundry list of acceptable specific torture tactics and a list of UNACCEPTABLE torture tactics. ANY TORTURE THAT IS CLEARLY NOT INCLUDING IN ANY OF THESE LIST would therefore NOT illegal.

Creating a loophole where the interrogator can be creative and invent TORTURE methods that would NOT violate such LAWS.

BUSH GANG is pulling a fast one....they think PEOPLE are so STUPID.

Oh hanging a person up-side-down for 48 hours is not part of the LAW....therefore we would not be convicted of a WAR CRIME.

OH...water boarding for a period of 10 does not exceed the limit of 11 hours therefore this torture is okay.

OH sleep deprivation for 40 hours is not considered illegal since it does not exceed 42 hours.

THIS IS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS HOPING IT CAN DO...

LAWS that are GIVING THE INTERROGATOR GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT THEY CAN DO and can not do and how much they can do the torture without committing WAR CRIMES.
Anonymous | 09.24.06 - 5:01 pm | #

An American airman from the Doolittle Raid in 1942 testified to his experience with waterboarding at the hands of the Japanese in the trial of Lieutenant General Shigeru Sawada and Three Others, 5 LRTWC. 1 (US Military Commission, Shanghai 1946).

What is interesting is this trial undermines President Bush's argument that redefining Article III would remove culpability for the CIA. It was found that Sawada and the others tortured prisoners under orders by their government. They were still found guilty and sentenced to prison.

This concept has been incorporated into US Military Justice in at least two trials including My Lai. Anyone in the CIA using torture would be just as guilty.
Paul | 09.24.06 - 5:05 pm | #

Frist can hardly contain himself. Is he that excited about torture or is he nervous, knowing his is staning on moral quicksand? Could it be the two sides of Frist are having an internal split, the Dr. fighting the torture endorser for control? There is certainly something frenetic in his speach pattern and he avoids straight answers. This guy pretends to protect the American people and can't even protect his own morals.
Boudica | 09.24.06 - 5:08 pm | #

Torture is torture. If you cause a person to experience enough pain over enough time, they will tell you anything they think you want to hear, whether it is the truth or not. Torture is not a valid tool to extract information. The only purpose it serves is cause prolonged pain. People who do this are usually known as sadists. Are these the 'professionals' that Dumbya refers to when defending the use of torture? America is better than that. George W. Bush shames and dirties the name of the United States of America.

Did anyone else get the impression that Frist was as nervous as a whore in church during the whole interview?
Jerry | 09.24.06 - 5:10 pm | #

dont you sodomite godless liberals know that torture is a true christian value?
reverned Frist told me so...mmmmmhm.
leftie | 09.24.06 - 5:15 pm | #

So were are changeing the Rules on torture so they are more clear. But we can't talk about what the newly reformed clear rules on tortue actually are. Now I understand.
Lo-maxx | 09.24.06 - 5:15 pm | #

Frist is either lying about not reading then NIE or he is guilty of dereliction of duty. You can decide which one but the consequences of either are equally as egregious.
Mike | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 5:16 pm | #

I wonder who was the last to edit this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Wat...n_waterboarding

Waterboarding is a torture technique that is used in coerced interrogations or for punishment. In modern practice it produces a severe gag reflex and makes the subject believe his death is imminent, while not causing permanent or lasting physical harm. For this reason—and its use in the interrogation of US War on Terrorism detainees—its recognition as torture is disputed.
Drag the Magic Puffin | 09.24.06 - 5:17 pm | #

Drag the Magic Puffin | 09.24.06 - 5:17 pm | #

dammit Magic!
now you have exposed our tactics and i am afraid the enemy will learn to adapt to these tactices....traitor!
leftie | 09.24.06 - 5:20 pm | #

"They hate us for our freedoms!"

Yeah, your freedom to torture people and break international law. America is not only addicted to oil, but also to violence. You torture your own citizens in your prisons and your torture your enemies abroad:

http://www.jonhs.net/freemovies/ ...tal_prisons.htm

http://www.jonhs.net/freemovies/ ...rican_style.htm
orangeguru | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 5:20 pm | #

Hard to believe that stupid fuck is a doctor.

Go figure.
jharp | 09.24.06 - 5:24 pm | #

Is Frist stupid or merely incompetent?

He could read that "classified" report any time he wanted. He just doesn't want to read it 'cause then he couldn't duck the questions with him limp excuse.
imblue | 09.24.06 - 5:24 pm | #

Just got back from the Colts game. Had a very nice time.

So sad to get home and listen to one of leaders utter such horseshit.

Fuck you, Bill Frist.
jharp | 09.24.06 - 5:29 pm | #

Ok...soooo this is what I'm hearing. As long as we aren't attacted, as long as waterboarding and torture works to keep the terrorists from attacking the US, as long as we can keep the war over 'there' so it doesn't come here all of these things are allowable. And a war can be anywhere in the world as long as it keeps America safe.

So what is that telling the rest of the world? To me it's telling them they are expendable. Nice message.
Jeanne | 09.24.06 - 5:30 pm | #

The General Public aren't stupid; but Bushites ARE.
Donald | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 5:30 pm | #

Frist and all Bush backers should be subjected to waterboarding.
proudleftists | 09.24.06 - 5:31 pm | #

Is this gonna be the atandard operating procedure from here on out?

Everytime a report from the reality based community theatens to damage the Neo-Cons calm all you have to do is go on the Sunday morning shows and say that you haven't seen the report yet.

Commentator: Senator/Veep/Madam Secretary, this report contradicts everything you've ever said in public.

Senator/Veep/Madam Secretary: I haven't seen it yet.

Commentator: Well then. I you haven't seen it, then I guess that settles it. Sorry to wake up so early in the morning on a weekend.

Senator/Veep/Madam Secretary: No Problemo!

Commentator: By the way... What's your favorite color?

Yeeshhh!!
zabes | 09.24.06 - 5:31 pm | #

Frist claims that the attack in 1993 in the WTC, the attacks on the embassies in Africa, the attack on the USS Cole all qualify as attacks on our country, yet somehow he claims that we haven't been attacked since 9/11. Then what does Frist call the hundreds upon hundreds of attacks on us in Iraq? Somehow it is OK to fail to protect our troops in Iraq and fail to protect the Iraqi people.
archerofloaf | 09.24.06 - 3:10 pm | #

I was going to type this exact same thing. Instead, I'll just say "seconded". I don't see how, if you count all these foreign attacks on the US, you don't count the attacks on the US in Iraq, or our embassy in Syria. It's crippled rhetoric.
Ranchero | 09.24.06 - 5:31 pm | #

Frist is a first class fool - a charlatan and a "quack" doctor who's as corrupt as they come.
Bklyn291 | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 5:32 pm | #

And BTW, Frist should be stripped of his medical license. Do no harm. What does that mean exactly. Do no harm to Americans but everybody else is fair game?
Jeanne | 09.24.06 - 5:33 pm | #

Did I mention a double-talking jackass to boot?
Bklyn291 | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 5:33 pm | #

Hey Jeanne....my thoughts precisely except since he hasn't kept up on his continuing education because he claims to not know that he had to do it to maintain his license, I would suggest that he no longer has one....or shouldn't, as the case may be.
Bklyn291 | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 5:34 pm | #

How do people like that get degrees in the first place? I swear he's missing half of his gray matter.
Jeanne | 09.24.06 - 5:35 pm | #

The worst part about all of this, is the United States' claims of an enemy. The more they say we have enemies, the more people will rise up and become it. If they stopped talking about it 24/7 and actually tried to become a peaceful nation, then this shit wouldn't happen in the first place. Why the fuck to people need to die for these elitest fucks?
smelly tuna | 09.24.06 - 5:37 pm | #

It is very strange to see a doctor defending torture. He refuses to talk about specific methods though he must know exactly what they mean.

Unfortunately, the interviewer never asked him if he personally would carry out any of the torture procedures that he wants to authorize--legalize is too big a word.

Who would ever have confidence as a patient in Dr. Frist?
bernarda | 09.24.06 - 5:43 pm | #

Miserepublicans epitomize "BE the EVIL"!
Vic Anderson | 09.24.06 - 5:43 pm | #

I guess the bastard forgot the first part of his Hippocratic oath, you know, the part that says. first (or should that be FRIST) DO NO HARM!!

I dont know why the AMA didnt lift his license after the Schiavo incident. Any REAL doctor wouldnt presume to give a diagnosis on a patient that he hadnt even examined IN PERSON!!!

His disingenuousness on the torture dispute really shows him up as a vile, hateful, evil man. His daddy would be ashamed of him. Oooops, I forgot, his daddy IS A HEARTLESS BASTARD, TOO!!!
Rosanne | 09.24.06 - 5:52 pm | #

I am more scared by the stupid than I am of the evil. This guy Frist is so dense I can't believe he was ever elected let alone got through med school.
ADP | 09.24.06 - 5:55 pm | #

One could only hope that,some of these reichwing bastards would go on one of their visits to Iraq, and be captured between the airport and the Greenzone, and be subject to the outlandish tactics they are condoning.
Shag | 09.24.06 - 5:57 pm | #

If I were a cardiac patient in Tenn. I would investigate quickly to ensure that quack Frist was no where around. He is a complete embicile with his mouth-god knows what damage he has done with a scapel. Lets see Frist can't talk about waterboarding or US tax paid reports but can diagnose a brain dead woman on video, he knows that masterbation causes pregnancy, tears and sweat can transmit HIV/AIDS. What a fraud. How proud Tenn. must be. I am very proud of my TX senators: Cornyn votes for torture, Hutchison thinks the poor are concerned with estate taxes. When polls say voters like their legislators but think the rest of the bums should be voted out I scream. My senators are idiots and every republican senator and congressman/woman are idiots/crooks/liars/fascist/cowards and should be kicked out of Wash DC before we are permanently destroyed both financially, and constitutionally.
Cathy | 09.24.06 - 6:07 pm | #

Frist lists a half dozen terror attacks- begining and ending with WTC- but neglects to list EVERY SINGLE DAY since the war began.
Doublespeak- we are fighting against terrorists in Iraq everyday/there have been terror attacks since 911.
SpringH | 09.24.06 - 6:15 pm | #

GS looked so bored talking to such souless empty suit. If the repubs cared a bit about Iraq, their Majority leader would have read the NIE.I pray dullard runs for President.
pondjumper | 09.24.06 - 6:18 pm | #

Saddam attacked the Kurds under Reagan, then got Rummy's handshake. They get away with their lies because they know no on is going to be allowed to call them on int.
mudkitty | 09.24.06 - 6:19 pm | #

Water Torture
Nothing new about what these tyrants are doing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Ima...ntwerp_1556.png
SpringH | 09.24.06 - 6:21 pm | #

A doctor condoning torture? The Nazi Dr. Mengele would be proud of him
Anonymous | 09.24.06 - 6:26 pm | #

FRIST SAID "WAR CRIMES ACT will itemize what can be done and what can not (refering to specific torture acts)
SO if waterboarding, sleep deprivation, sexual assault, are NOT included in the "ITEMIZE" lists of what can or can not be done, is therefore NOT going to be a violation of the WAR CRIMES ACT.
let me reiterate.. TORTURE ACTS not included on the itemize list is NOT going to be a violation of the WAR CRIMES ACT.
THIS IS ABSURD.....THIS ADMINISTRATION is obviously trying to cover their asses for the CRIMES they have ALREADY COMMITTED.
ARE THEY ALSO TRYING TO ALTER THE WAR CRIMES ACT SO THAT IT BECOMES RETROACTIVE?

THEY MUST REALLY THINK THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ARE STUPID..................

AMERICA don't allow this administration to change the LAW.

techniques that are NOT included in the itemize list is NOT considered a violation of WAR CRIMES ACT.

It is clear that techniques that were considered in violation will no longer be a violation of the WAR CRIMES ACT. This administration is trying to COVER their ASS from getting prosecuted.

WAKE UP AMERICA.....BE SMART....
Anonymous | 09.24.06 - 6:26 pm | #

this not america (i hope)
soul-time | 09.24.06 - 6:30 pm | #

So waterboarding is in fashion this year?
mudkitty | 09.24.06 - 6:48 pm | #

they can not write a law to absolve themselves of the crimes they have already committed ... the gauranty of our signing international conventions is in the Constitution...

it's really funny to watch a scumbag like this jerk lie on top of lie to try and cover themselves and their fascists GODS in the administration...
BTW where are the trolls, here's a great chance to defend more corruption..
the most inept and corrupt U.S. government ever
bushisaliar | 09.24.06 - 6:52 pm | #

can we charge him with legislating while stupid ??
tofubo | 09.24.06 - 7:07 pm | #

What I thought was interesting Frist was saying the Geneva Conventions regard torture didn't apply because our detainees weren't soldiers. I would think in that situation, the Conventions would be regulating the torturers and not the torturees.
Cornplanter | 09.24.06 - 7:08 pm | #

Just keep me safe? How in the hell can you win a war if your primary strategy is to be safe?
ed | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 7:10 pm | #

In a completely unrelated story, I saw Bill Clinton on Meet the Press today. It was quite refreshing. He was intellectual, articulate and informed.

Whenever I listen to Bush, I feel my IQ seeping out my ears like oh so many episodes of Hee Haw.
Cornplanter | 09.24.06 - 7:17 pm | #

bush/cheney :: planned kaos

if we cut and run over there, the fight will be in our cities over here :: you keep pressing rational arguments that i can't refute w/out lying thru my teeth or telling the american people the truth, we'll be forced to have those cities that i just mentioned (and others) be hit, just to teach you a fucking lesson to stop questioning us

incriminiating evidence implicating the guilt of the bush/cheney crime syndicate :: state secrets

we have to torture, it's the american way, it always has been, it always will be :: i'm too fucking stupid to realize that the geneva conventions and the war crimes treaties protect OUR TROOPS (or, i know that, and i don't care)
tofubo | 09.24.06 - 7:18 pm | #

primum non nocere

“...make a habit of two things—to help, or at least to do no harm.”
-Hippocrates, "Epidemics"

i don't expect dr frist has much regard for hippocrates anyhow, given his many falacies and his mockery of what it is to be a physician.
Anonymous | 09.24.06 - 7:34 pm | #

Doesn't their frenetic attempt to "define" this at this particular moment in time speak volumes about their GUILT?

It does to me!

What we do not know for certain is just how truly guilty they are and whether the WORLD COMMUNITY will be able to save us from ourselves by taking these people to war crimes tribunals!
webegeek | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 7:47 pm | #

Those people are some sick bastards
rduke | 09.24.06 - 7:51 pm | #

Senator Frist must be exhausted. I'm worn out just watching him. Lying is hard, hard work.
suki | 09.24.06 - 8:03 pm | #

What a waste of carbon, Frist is - George S. could have interviewed a Tivo that was more creative...
RtBWA | 09.24.06 - 8:10 pm | #

I agree with Suki. I didn't know hemming and hawing were such developed skills of the Doctor. Are these the "last gasps" Cheney was talking about.
Tapia | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 8:11 pm | #

When did Kennedy say "Lets surrender" or "defeat is an option?"
Sounds like Frist is lying. How rare.
Joe Mama | 09.24.06 - 9:08 pm | #

I wrote to GS after I saw this interview this morning. It wasn't nice. I basically told him to grow a pair and instead of asking all these jerks about waterboarding which we all know now that they won't comment on, why doesn't he ask them about the rapes and sodomy. I want to see them spin this. As my trolling has shown me, the other side thinks sleep deprivation and loud music is what we are complaining about. I want them to put the truth out there and then dare to say we are against it for silly reasons. The rape pictures are on the net and I put them up on their sights to show what we are talking about. Some were shocked but some told me I was sick. Me?
I don't know where the Dems have been this week but if they filibuster this they are going to have to use those pictures and bring this out as to why instead of just being accused of being weak. There is too much at stake here.
They will NEVER release a list because it will have those crimes listed. It will have to if they want to make them retroactive.
JustSaying | 09.24.06 - 9:10 pm | #

This sums it up for me:

http://daltonator.net/durandal/b...ndal/blog/? p=68

Let’s be clear about one thing. There is one reason -and only one reason- why a person tortures an animal: pure sadism.

Sure the redneck who tapes fishhooks and razor blades to the feet of a rooster to give him a leg up at the cockfights will earnestly insist that the chicken who is about to be torn to pieces in the cockpit has it much better than the ones who are cut up and served for dinner. The inbred peckerwoods who feed ground glass to pit bulls at the dogfights to make them more ferocious are no different when they claim that since the dog enjoys fighting and was going to be put down anyway, there was no harm done. Both who revel in the torture of animals might, in an unguarded, candid moment (usually brought on by grain alcohol), admit that they do it as a way to come up with some tax-free cash to pay for that double-wide they’ve had their eyes on. But the main reason people throw roosters, dogs and other animals into a pit to kill and maim (or be killed and maimed) is because of the sadistic joy they get out of watching and/ or taking part in pain, mutilation and death.

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Heyward Jablomey | 09.24.06 - 9:13 pm | #

He sounds like a kid being asked why he didn't finish his homework.

Dick.
eddied | 09.24.06 - 9:25 pm | #

This is such a perversion of everything America has ever stood for. It's so disgusting. Just how low can we go under this administration? And to think people who call themselves Christians support this guy. I never in my wildest dreams thought we'd be discussing the merits of torture. You know this has everything to do with keeping Bush and his commrades out of jail. Apparently all that protesting from McCain, Graham, and Warner was just for show. Bush got what he wanted in the end. He always does. Screw the Constitution, screw the Supreme Court, screw the Geneva Conventions, and screw the law. King George is in charge.
Spicegal | 09.24.06 - 9:32 pm | #

But...but.....but.....

Who's your Daddy?
Penny Williams | 09.24.06 - 9:35 pm | #

I feel sick whenever I hear these lying bastards speak.. The very first thing that must be done is to repair the voting process so they can't steal another election, if it's not too late..
Claybuster | 09.24.06 - 9:48 pm | #

•••• What's next in the wonderful world of torture?

Hey -- I know!

FOX ... Friday's at 8pm ... 'GIT SOME AT GITMO!' The wacky adventures of a Waterboarding Torture Team.

Starring Bruce Willis, Mann Coulter, Tom Selleck & Charlton Heston as Dr. Frist.

I think the civil war is in the wrong country, folks ... dig?

DB
DB | 09.24.06 - 10:55 pm | #

Frist is a dispicable exampled of a supposed Statesman. Does he EVER listen to his own words? What do the Republicans pay him under the table to get him to act that way?

Timmy's soft-ball pitches made me sick. These TV talkers NEVER corner Republican politicians on POLICY CONTRADICTIONS! They just let them slide in and out of their lies and mis-representations. He's the Leader of the Senate... and he had not seen the report... WHICH WAS COMPLETED MONTHS AGO!!!!!!!

WHAT IDIOTS!!!

Why was there not a representative from the LOYAL OPPOSITION to counter some of the IDIOT THINGS Frist was spewing?
Cowboy Bob | 09.24.06 - 11:12 pm | #

This is a despicable regime and the Repugnants are a despicable bunch for callously attempting to build a firewall around the deplorable criminality of this regime.

Not surprising that our Born Again Mass Murderer in Chief would be promoting torture. Everything that our nation was founded on has been spat on by the Repugnants and the Dumbya dictatorship.

Our military swears an oath to defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic. It is time that they moved in and put a stop to this charade - arrest these criminals, send them to the Int'l Criminal Court and restore constitutional gov't.
Anonymous | 09.24.06 - 11:22 pm | #

Well, Frist watched a video of waterboarding being used and diagnosed that it wasn't really waterboarding or torture because White House lawyers like Gonzales and Yoo have said waterboarding isn't torture.

When Frist was asked if he would submit himself to some good ol' waterboarding-that-isn't-torture so he could have some first-hand experience, he responded by saying "sure, I'll do anything for our troops to show them that when they are captured while overseas fighting someday that waterboarding isn't torture because President Bush, and his elite lawyers, said it isn't torture."

When asked by a reporter about the Geneva Conventions, Frist said, with a dazed look on this face, "Huh???" Then he proclaimed that everything changed after 9/11, including the definition of torture contained in the Geneva Conventions, because, you know, those Geneva Conventions are so "vague" about what torture is. Then he started cackling and stuck his thumb in his mouth.
:The Oracle | Homepage | 09.24.06 - 11:57 pm | #

He said we have not been hit in the last 5 years. When will the talking heads remind them of the anthrax attacks?
jimmy james | 09.25.06 - 12:00 am | #

Frist,

Nice set of Talking Point(less).
thepoetryman | Homepage | 09.25.06 - 12:09 am | #

Frist is pure talking points. He uses every one in the book here. Cut and run,fighting them there so we don't fight them here,not reading the reports discussed and classified,911 references,etc. They all have the same Karl Rove script. I hope this buffoon run's, he will be eaten alive my any capable dem candidiate. The debate would leave this fool in the dust and laughable. Run Bill,Run Bill for cover.
techsong | 09.25.06 - 12:18 am | #

FRIST = scum
Mean Bunny | 09.25.06 - 12:30 am | #

"First, do NO harm..."

Remember that one, Mr. Frist?
Bobdog | 09.25.06 - 12:54 am | #

Just look at Frist in this interview. He looked rattled by GS. A freaking reporter! Imagine what kind of caving he would do as president. We already know he is a mouthpiece for chimpy. He talks a lot about nothing. Terrorists are coming to get us... Torture is legal when we rewrite the laws.
He is a giant wimp, not a man, a person who caves to special interest.

Hit the showers Frist. Get off the national stage PLEASE!
TBone | 09.25.06 - 1:22 am | #

Geez. If it walks like an ass and brays like an ass...it must be an ass. This "man" is insufferable.
Esmirelda Zimbabwe | 09.25.06 - 1:38 am | #

I got it....

Frist got the diagnosis wrong in both accounts....not only did he not diagnosis Terri Schiavo's persistent vegetative state, he didn't diagnose his own persistent vegetative state...calling doctor Kavorkian.

Frist is such a tool.

Er soll keinen Frist haben
(he should have no term)
F Chucklenutz | 09.25.06 - 2:24 am | #

Frist's response for not reading this report is completely unacceptable. Basically, he pleads to allow him to be dumb and ignorant, as to allow the Bush Admin the ability to do whatever they feel necessary. And he wants to be President? I wonder who will issue him his marching orders if -- God forbid, that ever happens?

F* FRIST!
rcm | Homepage | 09.25.06 - 3:43 am | #

Fristbag states it very clearly at the end of the interview. This new law is intended to prosecute in court people who have been tortured, and whose confessions and evidence collected there from (which might as well be other confessions gained by torture). Given all the ambitious and ruthless prosecutors out there, in the end that will include American citizens, in America. Including Padilla.

Welcome to the New America.
I | 09.25.06 - 8:23 am | #

Why is it whenever I hear the term waterboarding, I want a wine cooler and some Dick Dale?
ysbaddaden | 09.25.06 - 10:32 am | #

Politicians that don't answer simple questions should be waterboarded.
Every gop jackass should be bashed in the skull with the NIE and I hope it's more like a phone book than a 1 page declaration that the gop is part of team osama. On the "alternative methods" issue I support the president because I'm for anything that will prevent terrorists from achieving their stated objectives to attack Memphis and Nashville.
Mr. Bonestripper | 09.25.06 - 12:27 pm | #

We torture
We occupy
We supplant other countries rulers
We threaten to anhilate other countries if their leaders don't do as we order them to.
We drive SUVs to go pick up a gallon of milk at the 7/11!!!!!
We have become an awful country
We are hated by people all over the world. Why is that?

Did anybody listen to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speach and feel inspired?

eom
Rusty B. Shackleford | 09.25.06 - 1:37 pm | #

Right wing-nut cases are all for torture, especially the far right fake religious nuts.
LIMP-DICK BLIMPAUGH | 09.25.06 - 2:18 pm | #

One of the oft repeated talking points is the war in Iraq keeps the terrorists over there.

WTF is going on in Afghanistan?
Sinister Footwear | 09.25.06 - 2:23 pm | #

The enemy will train for torture?

What is wrong with these people?
JR | 09.24.06 - 2:43 pm | #
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Why not, Frist did with puppies and kitties while in med school.
ysbaddaden | 09.25.06 - 2:43 pm | #

there is something with frist and "this week".

i guess he begins to sweat and suddenly he has AIDS!
wings | 09.25.06 - 5:54 pm | #

This is the man the SEC is investigating for making millions on his trust and the man who lied on his renewal of his medical license. So yes, I sure want him to be my next President since Republicons are liars about everything. We all want a continuation of the Bush theocracy fascism. Fascist scum is all he is. Go back home and make some moonshine.
NeverVoteRepublicanAgain | 09.25.06 - 6:24 pm | #

Frist looks eerily dead.
Kos banned Martha | 09.25.06 - 8:17 pm | #

Let Frist be the first to test waterboarding... then he can tell us if it works.
Coffins draped with flags | Homepage | 09.25.06 - 8:33 pm | #

Cdwf --

... only until he tells us where the ticking nuclear bomb is!
Raven | Homepage | 09.25.06 - 10:49 pm | #

Cat murderer.
jwf | 09.25.06 - 10:56 pm | #

Does the Constitution still matter? Do human rights still matter? Does democracy still matter? I believe that America sees what the right wing is doing to our country, our freedoms, and what their actions say about the basic human rights of every citizen of every country. Torture is an unreliable method of gathering information. More importantly, it is simply cruel and inhuman and calling it by a different name does not change that. Most Americans, and almost everyone else throughout the rest of the world sees us dehumanizing enemies and stripping more and more rights away from our own citizens. We are now witness to the dimming of America's light of freedom and hope to the rest of the world, which had been our inheritance. Pathetic.
iburl | 09.26.06 - 2:00 am | #

I don't know why Frist ever comes on This Week. He always ends up looking like a numb nuts.

The last time he was on, the good Dr couldn't confirm if you HIV is passed through sweat. And this moron is supposed to have an ivy league education?
nonbeliever | 09.27.06 - 12:52 am | #

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