Frist again?
odanny | 10.18.06 - 7:52 pm | #

I think I liked him better when he lied to us.
jurassicpork | Homepage | 10.18.06 - 7:52 pm | #

Cheney said it is going amazingly well. Baker said it is a helluva mess. Who care what Bush said. He is a lair.
VP Cheney | 10.18.06 - 7:54 pm | #

Be great if someone could link to the Friedman article.
odanny | 10.18.06 - 7:58 pm | #

Does Bush actually know what the Tet offensive was?

After all, studies have shown that he doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground.
Bookem Danno | 10.18.06 - 8:01 pm | #

So now they admit it's a fucked up situation?
mudkitty | 10.18.06 - 8:02 pm | #

Speaking of the reality based community it would seem the faith based community is fed up with Bush and plan to stay away from the polls in droves.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 10.18.06 - 8:03 pm | #

Maybe he could explain why with mortars fighters managed to destroy Falcon Base in the Green Zone causing a billion dollars in damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P...h? v=Ps0v1bIFup4
Why not? | 10.18.06 - 8:04 pm | #

There are many things about the American-Iraq War that are similar to the American-Vietmanese War.

This current fighting in Iraq is not any where on the scale of the TET offensive.

This comparison degenerates the accomplishments of the planning and scale of attack by the NVA/VC

If the Iranians launch a mass attack, via their Shia allies, then maybe we can compare it to TET.

Also unlike the American-Iraq War, during the American-Vietmanese War, the American public was better informed of the true nature of War.
The MSM has shielded the public from any type of realistic view.

Peace.
Human | Homepage | 10.18.06 - 8:13 pm | #

Tet was a disaster for the Viet Cong. It was only a success because the Johnson administration kept push the image that everything was under control.

(ah wait... I guess that's the point)
Thing Fish | 10.18.06 - 8:18 pm | #

Thing Fish,
Tet was a tactical disaster for the VC, but it was a strategic victory for the NVA.
Gregory | 10.18.06 - 8:20 pm | #

Yeah, having spent the entire Vietnam war passed-out underneath a pool table in Texas, I don't think he really realized what he was saying. He probably thinks of the Tet offensive as a bloodbath for both sides, but one which began the end of the VC, while forgetting that it was also a turning point in the war that began the end of the U.S. involvement, and the end of the Saigon government.

So, he didn't really understand what the Tet offensive meant. Big deal. Odds are that most of his base doesn't understand it either, and is still blaming the fall of Saigon on Jane Fonda.
Pericles | 10.18.06 - 8:33 pm | #

I don't know what is more unbelievable - that Bush read a newspaper or that Chimpy knows what the TET Offensive was.

Wait, where was Chimpy McFlightsuit during the TET? Oh, thats right ... AWOL.
Boring Scott | 10.18.06 - 8:35 pm | #

There was only one turning point in the Iraq war, and that was the initial invasion and the subsequent failure to secure the country - anything that happened afterwards was entirely predictable, ergo, even if bush did know what the Tet Offensive was, he's still an idiot.
TheScaryPatriot | 10.18.06 - 8:45 pm | #

[..having spent the entire Vietnam war passed-out underneath a pool table in Texas..]


This conjures up some quite funny images of people trying to wake Bush by poking him with pool cues.
cleansweep | 10.18.06 - 9:03 pm | #

damit man bush watched FULL METAL JACKET hes well informed on tet, it was full of little yellow men, with ak47s,
tyree | 10.18.06 - 9:12 pm | #

The only thing this proves is Bush isn't familiar with the Tet Offensive and what it meant. He still believes things are going well and that "History" will be the judge. Too bad for Bush History is made up of a series of events that happen in reality, something he's completely unaware of.
Fred F. | 10.18.06 - 9:16 pm | #

Does this mean Bush thinks of us as North Vietnam, and the Iraqi security forces as the Americans? Or is he saying that this will be the point where the American people realize the Administration doesn't know what the hell it's doing?
Koko | 10.18.06 - 9:23 pm | #

Whoops.

Replace that Iraqi security forces with uhh... Local militas.
Koko | 10.18.06 - 9:29 pm | #

You're doin' a heckuva job, Bushie!
Dr. Acula | 10.18.06 - 9:50 pm | #

The TET offensive? Wasn't that where the Great George Bush was getting drunk and screwing Mexican hookers in Alabama?
Pechorin | 10.18.06 - 9:51 pm | #

Proof that Bush is the ultimate flip-flopper: not only does he claim now to be reading newspapers, he's reading The NYT no less!
alfredo | 10.18.06 - 9:54 pm | #

"The TET offensive? Wasn't that where the Great George Bush was getting drunk and screwing Mexican hookers in Alabama?"
Pechorin | 10.18.06 - 9:51 pm | #

Yes indeed; otherwise known in Spanish as the TETA offensive...
alfredo | 10.18.06 - 9:56 pm | #

How the hell would Bush remember the Tet Offensive? Wasn't he drunk out of his mind and wasted on blow back then?
GonzoD | 10.18.06 - 10:30 pm | #

Bush's anology to Tet is instructive.

But, GWB mistakenly believes that the effect of Tet was to give the public the mistaken idea that we couldn't win in Vietnam.

Wrong.

The Tet offensive PROVED that we couldn't "win" in Vietnam. A political solution by force of arms was not possible for an occupying force.

And, Dumb Dubya, we can't "win" in Iraq either.
Capability Jones | 10.18.06 - 10:52 pm | #

All the Chimperor really knows about Tet was that he was safely knocking back shots in a Texas bar when it happened.

Or, was he snorting cocaine then?
Capability Jones | 10.18.06 - 10:54 pm | #

This is interesting. If the Chimperor had the slightest idea what Tet represented to American foreign policy, and at the same time believed in prevailing in Iraq, he would never have uttered these words. So the presumption is that he is once again ignorant.

But what if he does know (or more likely was informed in the scripting process) about the meaning of Tet. Is he giving a nod to the Baker Commission, speaking in code? Is he about to announce a major policy adjustment. Is Baker's Plan, at long last, the Secret Plan to Win the War, part deux?

Baker, according to David Sanger in his 10/12 article, has been in close cahoots with Steven Hadley throughout the commission process. And as such, in cahoots with Arbusto.
On the Clock | 10.18.06 - 11:37 pm | #

"George, my gut tells me that they have all along been trying to inflict enough damage that we'd leave," Bush said.

Gee, aren't we lucky to have Dubya's keen instincts? Who else could possibly have deduced that an occupied country would try to inflict damage against the occupiers in order to drive them out?
Lefty | 10.19.06 - 12:55 am | #

Who knew flowers and sweets could be so dangerous?
GonzoD | 10.19.06 - 1:14 am | #

"Tet Offensive -- heh heh, Kissinger was saying something about tits, and then he got all defensive -- heh heh, that Kissinger, whatta guy! Oh, are we talking about Eye-Rack? Wait, I gotta adjust my ear-phone-thingie..."
kablooie | 10.19.06 - 1:40 am | #

During both Tet and the Iraq War, Bush didn't have to go.
Charley Deppner | Homepage | 10.19.06 - 5:30 am | #

I just imagined what it would be like when US forces are rolling out of Iraq by the division into Kuwait to board the big boat home after the order comes to all forces leave Iraq immediately for home soil.

It would be symbolic of the beginning of the healing process for the US. We can only hope. Remember to post the video when it does happen.
Anonymous | 10.19.06 - 7:17 am | #

I can't imagine that Karl wanted Bush to voluntarily compare Iraq to Vietnam.
SpaceCowboy | Homepage | 10.19.06 - 8:02 am | #

So the only tactic available to those that wish to suppress the overwhelming majority of Iraqis is carnage, not popular support, but carnage aimed at the left in the US to cut and run. The reality based community is like Rosie that can not differentiate between the United States and Bush. Tet was a complete failure by the Viet Cong, they were DECIMATED and never achieved a popular uprising, yet the reality based community gave them a victory. We only face an insurgency in Iraq because the left is so reliable to feed the OBL's that democracy is weak. That 70's Show mentality by the left is not going to repeat. Let's debate Tet in the final weeks of this election. Will America make the same mistake again?
Fritz | 10.19.06 - 8:12 am | #

What are you people mumbling about? G Bushwhacker only agreed because he thought someone said "tit" offensive. Bushwhacker doesn't know anything about the Vietnam era, he was too busy snorting coke and cheerleading. Give the guy a break, like maybe both arms... Geesh ask him again, I know you'll hear him say "Tit offensive".

Peace,
PeeJ | 10.19.06 - 8:23 am | #

Fritz @8:12,"Tet was a complete failure by the Viet Cong. It was a battlefield defeat only,they won in the long run!Presidents,Eisenhower Nixon and Reagen set the Gold Standard for "Cutting and Running"!
The only thing Lil "w" is concerned about is Jan 20 2009,when true to form, he'll walk away from another clusterfuck that he's responsible for, and let someone else deal with his mess! That's the story of his life
Pvt Ratfuck | 10.19.06 - 9:18 am | #

Pvt Ratfuck,
Very good, they won, not on the battlefield, but the streets of Washington. That is what you want, defeat at home. I recommend that we use this opportunity to win both Vietnam and Iraq at the same time. End the use of insurgency as a tactic to defeat the US. If I were a candidate, This is the time for us to give our Vietnam veterans the victory they deserved, we will not make the same mistake twice and squander our troops in Iraq too.
Fritz | 10.19.06 - 9:50 am | #

End the use of insurgency as a tactic to defeat the US. If I were a candidate, This is the time for us to give our Vietnam veterans the victory they deserved, we will not make the same mistake twice and squander our troops in Iraq too.
Fritz

Don't you pay attention to the "facts on the ground"? Insurgents and outside agitators are a small percentage of the problem in Iraq. Mostly, it's Iraqis killing Iraqis -- Sunni killing Shia.

You're so misguided and ignorant, you think "giving our soldiers... a victory" is how we should be thinking about this. Between 30,000 and 600,000 Iraqis have died because of Bush's invasion. The country is tearing itself apart because of a situation your Boyfriend-in-Chief caused, and for which he has no plan and no solution.

This isn't about having a big dick and shooting the right people with your big, hard gun. So cut the macho crap, you keyboard warrior, and get educated. If you close your mouth and open your eyes, you might learn something.
Clavis | 10.19.06 - 10:12 am | #

We've turned a corner.
Jake | 10.19.06 - 10:24 am | #

That's one tet I wouldn't suckle at.
ysbaddaden | 10.19.06 - 10:30 am | #

kablooie | 10.19.06 - 1:40 am | #

That's because he was dating Jill St John.

http://images.google.com/imgres?...MPH/ 234710~Jill
ysbaddaden | 10.19.06 - 10:36 am | #

Jill St John

http://images.google.com/imgres?...2004-25,GGLD: en
ysbaddaden | 10.19.06 - 10:38 am | #

Clavis,
You could care less how many dead Iraqis there are, your goal is Bush defeat. The Vietnam Syndrome is domestic politics at the expense of our troops in harms way.
Fritz | 10.19.06 - 10:43 am | #

The TET offensive was a turning point in the war... we were lied to then by the administration of Johnson, with Westmoreland on the ground in country. When your initial battle plan, and the plan for reconstruction, includes "Win the Hearts and Minds of the People", you are just fucking fucked up! Did any of these guys see "Red Dawn", I know it's cheesy fiction... but, did the Cubans and Russians really win the hearts and minds of the people? I certainly wouldn't be throwing roses and hersheys kisses at North Korean Tanks coming down Peachtree Street in downtown Atlanta, no matter how they militarily 'regime changed' the Chimpster, or how fucked up my government and country has become! These people in office are dangerous... very very dangerous.

TR
Atlanta GA
Tom Russo | 10.19.06 - 10:47 am | #

Your're right Fritz,my only goal is to see Bush powerless and disgraced!I hope after he's out of office he has to hopscotch around the world ,like Kissenger,one step ahead of the Process Servers from the World Court!I fought in the 68 Tet Offensive (At Khe Sahn,with 3/26 Marines) and we fought the North Vietnam Army and we won.My only goal then was to come home in one piece.There was no "Domino Theory" as the nation was lied to. Just like in Irag,every single death is a stain on this country's soul and Bush and his homo followers are solely responsible! I'll bet you still think Saddam was responsible for 9-11,don't you?
Pvt Ratfuck | 10.19.06 - 11:08 am | #

Hmmmm...does this mean we get 7 more years in Iraq as well? This war needs to end ASAP!
Annoyed | 10.19.06 - 11:21 am | #

BUSH: George, my gut tells me that they have all along been trying to inflict enough damage that we’d leave.

Really? Ya think so? Yer GUT tells ya that? Imagine that - an enemy trying to inflict damage to repel intruders. What a novel tactic.

Well, you might as well listen to your gut, George, because your brain sure as sh*t hasn't proven itself to be any better at perceiving reality.

By the way, I'm on board with the Bush defeat crowd. To not support the defeat of the man who took away oversight of governmental eavesdropping, who took away habeus corpus, who either lied or purposefully misled about the need to go to war with a sovereign nation, who oversaw the neglect of aid to an american disaster area, who abandoned the hunt for the orchestrator of the biggest mass murder in our nations history, who exempts hiself from any bill he signs... to not support the defeat of this man is at worst treasonous, and at best stupid.
neondesert | 10.19.06 - 11:34 am | #

http://houserisingsons.blogspot....- revisited.html

Fritz- What would we HAVE WON if we would have stayed in Vietnam?

The answer is - not shit. And certainly nothing worth 58,000 US lives.
Fade | Homepage | 10.19.06 - 12:34 pm | #

fritz.....
wow you are fuuunnnnnyyy....
what part of history does'nt resonate in a repuubs brain???

this war will never be won no matter how many troops and how many trillions of dollars are dumped into it ...
the british understood when a ragtag army fought with guerilla warfare and conventional to form a fledgling country called America...

so how much more are you willing to lose to heal my Vietnam memories... too bad i got over those years ago when i realized we where only pawns for the military industrialites elitists...
so got off it clown ...if you really feel that strong go enlist they are lusting after fools like you
bushisaliar | 10.19.06 - 2:49 pm | #

Another Tet Offensive? Naw, that was an organized drive with its own North Vietnamese name. In Iraq, they've been gradually ratcheting up the pressure for the past three years, first killing one American soldier every two days, then one per day, and now two per day. When we finally leave, we'll have well over three thousand dead American soldiers to add to King George's scorecard, in addition to 650,000 Iraqies.

The Iraqis have a simple message for us: "Thanks for knocking off Saddam, now go away." Bush doesn't hear the second part. Perhaps, come November, voters will begin to educate him.
jimbo92107 | 10.19.06 - 3:34 pm | #

The Vietnam Syndrome in the case of Iraq is a false historical analogy. The VS was preventing America from committing its troops for over twenty years. Under Reagan, because of VS we used proxies to often fight our wars. That's why we armed Saddam Hussein to fight his eight year war against Iran, because at the time the Ayatollah Khomeini was the official boogy-man of the US. In Desert Storm I and II (the sequel), we may have very well faced our own weapons when we went to war.

In Iraq, the forces are already committed, and we never had any pre-war discussion over the advisability or the feasibility of the war. We were essentially rushed into it, with phony baloney claims of WMD's, the abuse of the Authorization to Use Force (Not a formal declaration of war nor a police action). When any of us tried to throw the brakes on the pell-mell rush, the standard Republican mantras were, "You're part of the Blame America First Crowd," or "Why do you hate America?" It's like none of these chicken-hawks ever heard of Sun Tzu.
ysbaddaden | 10.19.06 - 3:48 pm | #

End the use of insurgency as a tactic to defeat the US. If I were a candidate, This is the time for us to give our Vietnam veterans the victory they deserved, we will not make the same mistake twice and squander our troops in Iraq too.
Fritz | 10.19.06 - 9:50 am | #
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If you were a candidate, and ran on this ridiculous premise, then you would lose.

The reason the US "lost" Vietnam was because the politicans were trying to accomplish something that War can't accomplish.

Just like in Iraq. You can't establish democracy by force of arms. Vietnam was incredibly stupid enough, but with that example our occupation of Iraq is sheer lunicy.
Capability Jones | 10.19.06 - 4:02 pm | #

As a Vietnam veteran I say critics of this war that portray it as similar to Vietnam are missing such an important point and are fatally incorrect. Vietnam had a draft that ended the polarization of the country. There is no draft in this war folks and there damn well should be starting with Bush's daughters and the rest of Congress's kids. Gradual withdrawl? I don't think so, it would be the "Great Skedaddle", like the first Bull Run!!!!
pitman | 10.19.06 - 10:55 pm | #

As a Vietnam veteran I have to ask what the fuck does Georgy Porgy know about TET??? He, Turdhead O'Reilly and the father of the Turds, Ted Defecate and Urinated in my pants Nugent were sharing each other's diapers.
pitman | 10.20.06 - 5:55 pm | #