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Pelosi!
trashman | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 1:19 pm | #

Again, thanks Connecticut.
Zlad | 01.14.07 - 1:21 pm | #

In your transcript, change 'abdicating' to 'advocating'.
bumblebums | 01.14.07 - 1:22 pm | #

*oh, snap*

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slamiam | 01.14.07 - 1:25 pm | #

rushing the transcript...
C&L | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 1:26 pm | #

How long are all these pundits and politicians going to cling to the framing that this "war" is America's to win or lose.

Chuck Hagel pretty much gets it when he talks about the conflict in Iraq as being a tribal, sectarian civil war. If the media can reject the frame of "victory" and "defeat, we might have a level chance of actually having a dialogue in this country. I'm not holding my breath... but there's a chance.

And by the way, doesn't it look like Hagel may be the Last Man Standing on the Republican side for '08, after the surge fails and McCain implodes? Is Hagel "Christian enough" to get the nomination? I know nothing about the man.
Valentinian | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 1:27 pm | #

Thank you Chuck Hagel, Ass-kissing Joe took his head out of his ass just in time to hear the truth.

"I am not nor is anyone in Congress abdicating defeat, that's ridiculous and I'm offended that any responsible member of Congress would suggest such a thing."
If Hagel had only included everyone in the Bush administration with this comment.
Snakefoot | 01.14.07 - 1:27 pm | #

Support the surge. Send the twins! Send the Lieberman children, grandchildren, and nephews, too! Send Tony Snow's kids.

When will our leader's offspring lead our country into battle? The hawks have cut & run from joining the fight.

Give the President a million dollars for every relative of his staff signs up to go to Iraq. Otherwise, he's gets nada.

I told my nephew and nieces, "follow the twin's lead. Go to South America and party! Just watch your wallet."
TonyC-N.V. | 01.14.07 - 1:29 pm | #

As a fellow Nebraskan, I am extremely pleased to see this. Almost every day it seems in our public pulse section in our newspaper, citizens of Nebraska say Hagel is merely posturing for a presidential bid. They can't face the facts, they can't face reality. As of 6 or so months ago, we were 1 of 4 states that still had a 50%+ approval rating of President Bush.

Insanity.
Fellow Nebraska | 01.14.07 - 1:30 pm | #

If Joe Lieberman were introduced as a member of the Knesset, all his comments would make sense.
Hareli | 01.14.07 - 1:33 pm | #

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aangus | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 1:39 pm | #

So trying to dis Barbara Boxer he throws in children and grandchildren. Damn if that doesn't make the butts in CT that voted for him cringe nothing will. So now they know, to support bush he will throw in his whole family..does bush mean that much to him, or does he think one of the republican nutsos will pick him as a running mate, that's what he is going for. He is damn stupid enough to believe that the republicans are going to win the presidency. STEAL IT MAYBE, BUT WIN IT NO. AND WITH THE CHANGING OF THE ELECTION MACHINES THEY REPUBLICANS WONT' BE ABLE TO STEAL AN ELECTION AGAIN.
Marge | 01.14.07 - 1:39 pm | #

I like how the on-screen graphics say "Joe Lieberman (D/I-CT)". Indeed, Lieberman has DICT us all over.

I didn't know there was a D/I party in the Senate...
tonyc | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 1:43 pm | #

I am not going to get into all the moral and ethical issues about why we should or should not attack Iran. I am sure there are arguments for both sides of that idea. I am simply going to say this. Even if we had just cause, even if we have a problem with Iran in the region, even if we Iran was an imminent threat. How in the FUCK! would we ever pay for such an action? Given the fact that we have just blown over 400 billion dollars for nothing in Iraq. How?
steambomb | 01.14.07 - 1:43 pm | #

Sunday. January 14. Critics won't halt Iraq surge, Bush says.
Bush, facing opposition from both parties over his plan to send more troops to Iraq, said he has the authority to act no matter what Congress wants.

Like Bush, though, Cheney braced Americans to frame the war in Iraq as part of a much longer effort.

"This is an existential conflict," Cheney said. "It is the kind of conflict that's going to drive our policy and our government for the next 20 or 30 or 40 years. We have to prevail and we have to have the stomach for the fight long term."
It | 01.14.07 - 1:45 pm | #

Jake | 01.14.07 - 1:44 pm

That has been my thinking too. I think you nailed it.
Janet | 01.14.07 - 1:46 pm | #

Oh. My. God. Joe's little fear-mongering speech makes his fellow Connecticutians look even stupider for reelecting him. Holy Joe's sounding even more out in space that Bush. Unbelievable. The stinking ugly rhetoric spewing from Joe's mouth -- does HE even believe it? It's ridiculous. Hagel is one of the few Republicans who -- I have to admit -- is sounding intelligent about the war effort.

Joe, you're pathetic! If 2/3 of Americans oppose the war plans, MAYBE you should CONSIDER that you're doing SOMETHING wrong? This is a democracy, asshole!
Captain America | 01.14.07 - 1:46 pm | #

Joe Leiberman - D/I-CT Head
Ellen | 01.14.07 - 1:48 pm | #

"This is an existential conflict," Cheney said. "It is the kind of conflict that's going to drive our policy and our government for the next 20 or 30 or 40 years. We have to prevail and we have to have the stomach for the fight long term."
It | 01.14.07 - 1:45 pm |

Problem is, that is not what they sold this war on.
I doubt 6 months....remember?
Janet | 01.14.07 - 1:48 pm | #

Holy Joe thinks he is saving us from ourselves.

Holy Joe is the lowest of the low.
kerplunk | 01.14.07 - 1:48 pm | #

Now that's good tv
Terence | 01.14.07 - 1:50 pm | #

This is Holy Joe's contribution to shock and awe. Aren't you all in shock and awe about what is going on? Guess not. Football game is on.
kerplunk | 01.14.07 - 1:50 pm | #

Problem is, that is not what they sold this war on. I doubt 6 months....remember?
Janet | 01.14.07

Of course. Like Bush Co cares?
It | 01.14.07 - 1:51 pm | #

That video clip was an example of two sides of one coin. One Senator, albeit a Republican Senator acting in the best interest of a country and it's people and a Senator acting in the best interest of a President. Guess who is who???
VP | 01.14.07 - 1:52 pm | #

Joe "You had me at hello" Lieberman must be getting his talking points straight from Karl Rove, who btw, has been keeping a mighty low profile these days.
Turk Meister | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 1:52 pm | #

If we can somehow get to 2008 Lieberman will be completely marginalized by a larger Dem majority in the Senate, and he'll be free to jump to the other side.

Go to hell Joe.
Karatist Preacher | 01.14.07 - 1:52 pm | #

Senator Chuck Hagel... wow, there really are intelligent Republicans. Too bad, there aren't more Republicans as wise as Senator Hagel.

As for Lieberman, is he planning on sending his children and grandchildren off to Iraq to die for a lie? Didn't hear old Joe say that he was willing to sacrifice his family for this illegal war.
Coffins draped with flags | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 1:54 pm | #

Is Joe wearing lipstick?

Dom Telay | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 1:55 pm | #

I just had a weird, Turtledovian fantasy of Joe, as Vice President on Sept. 11 2001, killing President Gore and invading Iraq - do you think the guy has been a mole all along?
trashman | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 1:56 pm | #

The Lieberman Doctrine is far more horrific than the McStain Doctrine. While McCain gets a hardon at the thought of a permanent militaristic society, good old Joe is already selling the coming nuclear conflict with Iran...and yes people it will happen.

Short of a coup, we are alreading "fighting them here".

I think that the Connecticut citizens owe it to the rest of the country and remover the "DICT" from his post now, or be forced to succeed.
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 1:58 pm | #

Hahaha Americans got there butt kicked again hurry and bring them boys back home where they can smoke crack and sniff coke with the rest of ya red dope diaper baby's
Anonymous | 01.14.07 - 1:58 pm | #

Is Liberman an idiot? Or does he have a twin brother?

What part of the settled argument that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11, doesn't he understand?
garcia | 01.14.07 - 1:59 pm | #

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
It | 01.14.07 - 2:00 pm | #

secede, my bad
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:01 pm | #

Chimp just needs to dissolve Congress and maybe the Supreme Court, afterall who could be more supreme than the Decider?
Molnardian | 01.14.07 - 2:01 pm | #

Lieberman is doing the same thing as the neoconservatives and demagogues, which is conflating 9/11 with [allegedly] fighting the terrorists in Iraq. What Hagel did not bring up is that the terrorists or outside forces who are aligned against the U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq number only 2 per cent of those who are fighting in Iraq. Again, that number is not 92 per cent but rather two [2] per cent. It is the presence of the U.S. military that is causing the violence in Iraq. Both Hagel and Lieberman bring up the words victory and defeat in Iraq which, as Hagel should be well aware of, are also the same words that were used duting the Vietnam war. The United States did not belong in Vietnam and does not now belong in Iraq. Those troops should be withdrawn forthwith from Iraq and the region. If not, more American troops will become cannon fodder for a decidedly less than noble cause.
Erroll | 01.14.07 - 2:01 pm | #

Yeah, are going to live 9/11 over and over and over again forever?
Coffins draped with flags | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 2:01 pm | #

Holy Joe needs a [deleted]. This guy is such a fuck-head, everyone knows that nobody in Iraq attacked us on Sept.11th.

Quit your fucking Bullshit Joe...hey, that should be his new name...forget Holy Joe, now he is Bullshit Joe!

Please don't advocate violence here.

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Dahgrostab'ph-r-i | 01.14.07 - 2:02 pm | #

Joe Lieberman looks like a bloodhound with those lips and jaws.
ST | 01.14.07 - 2:03 pm | #

Coffins draped with flags

why not? After all, 911 is the only success the Rethugs have had in the past decade. Hell, when a coke whore like Bush can get elected (righhht) twice...
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:04 pm | #

So how is Bush and Cheney going to be stopped?

Thats the big one.

If Americans don't do it someone else will.
It | 01.14.07 - 2:05 pm | #

Site Owner, I apologize for my own violent suggestion earlier. How about this, we use the Patriot Act as our guide...sieze Joes money, sieze Joes property and imprison him far away in a "black site". I vote Egypt.

Site Monitor: We hear Eastern Europe is lovely this time of year too.

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Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:06 pm | #

i saw that too.. lieberman said we are fighting the people who attacked us on 9/11 too.
Chris from Maine | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 2:07 pm | #

AHH good ol AIPAC Joe is at it again..he's one of the two "Surge Protectors" only thing is the American sheep are starting to question. (I hope)
Well Well Well | 01.14.07 - 2:08 pm | #

Dirtpatch

OMFG, the spawn they'd produce...all jowls and adams apples

thank you for making my Sunday!
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:09 pm | #

When pretzel face Lieberman talks about "My people", whose people is he talking about? This fucker makes me very, very nervous.
garcia | 01.14.07 - 2:09 pm | #

I wonder how much Joe gets under the table to play this game.
It | 01.14.07 - 2:11 pm | #

While I liked what Chuck Hagel said, and I think he's thinking he might be the "last (R) standing" come '08, I caution us to remember that he owns an electronic voting machine company (forget its name) and that his victory for his last Senate election was "surprising" to say the least. So I don't think his hands are veddy clean at all. Beware this man.
S.O.S. from MA | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 2:12 pm | #

Liberman is a neo-con, imperialist.

Watch this bbc documentary about "The Power of Nightmares."

http://video.google.com/videopla...ightmares& hl=en
Just what I think... | 01.14.07 - 2:13 pm | #

I always thought that people over-reacted to Lieberman and that he was just an opportunist. It is becoming clearer not that he is really quite off his rocker. I can't imagine what the people of CT were possibly thinking when they voted this nut back in.

The man is now following and parroting the greatest failure this nation has ever known. To make it better, he is being taken to task by a member of the GOP for supporting the GOP talking points.
ashton | 01.14.07 - 2:14 pm | #

Nice fantasy Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:07 pm , but no chance -- Annie := trAnny. Nuttin fertile there, prolly on both sides.

S.O.S. from MA | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 2:15 pm | #

Thank a Republican for smacking down a Democrat *cough*..........yea, I can do that!
odanny | 01.14.07 - 2:16 pm | #

If the fact, that the most pro-war Democrat in the US is Jewish and a blatant Zionist, doesn't add credibility to the theory that these wars are really for the benefit of Israel, I don't know what will.

Sheeesh... wake up folks!!!
John Doe | 01.14.07 - 2:16 pm | #

Yeah, i have to agree about the ann coulter being a tranny comment, i guess that explains why all the republicans go googlie eyed and hard at the crotch when
they even hear its name.
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:17 pm | #

McCain/Lieberman. Who wants to bet that won't be Republican ticket in 2008?
Brawlin_Dem | 01.14.07 - 2:18 pm | #

Doesn't Lieberman say, at 0:58, "that's what the Prisoner is doing?" referring to the President?
lester | 01.14.07 - 2:18 pm | #

I guess people, for the sake of fairness, should draw a distinction between people of the jewish faith, and zionist.
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:19 pm | #

McCain/Lieberman. Who wants to bet that won't be Republican ticket in 2008?
Brawlin_Dem | 01.14.07 - 2:18 pm | #

Clinton/Hagel
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:19 pm | #

The promise of the new millenium was to usher in a new era of truth and enlightenment. The facades concealing all the big lies are to fall, and the truth to be visible to all. The damns are bursting.

No wonder these good old boys are in a panic. The jig is up and the house is crumbling to pieces. If Americans don't take control of their destiny these idiots are going to cause extreme damage.
Been there done that | 01.14.07 - 2:20 pm | #

I guess people, for the sake of fairness, should draw a distinction between people of the jewish faith, and zionist.
Dirtpatch | 01.14.0

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Yes, thanks. I should have been more clear about that. My problem is with Zionist not Jews themselves. I think that you will find Jews themselves are divided on this issue.
John Doe | 01.14.07 - 2:20 pm | #

every one voted for the war except one lone democrat
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:21 pm | #

I guess people, for the sake of fairness, should draw a distinction between people of the jewish faith, and zionist.
Dirtpatch

as a product of a "mixed marriage" I agree, after all, not all Christians were Nazi sympathizers, not all...
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:21 pm | #

How long until we're in Iran and the Liebermans and Bushbots all start saying, "Well, whatever the circumstances that got us here, we're here, and it's all Americans' duty to support our troops, our commander in chief, and American victory."

They will all rot in hell.
Jake | 01.14.07 - 1:44 pm

Agreed but for the Hell part.
There is no hell. These criminals need to be held to account here and now. Your personal mythology doesn't cut it.
Robbo | 01.14.07 - 2:21 pm | #

Bout time real American conservatives are stepping out of the neocon herd.
Joe! | 01.14.07 - 2:24 pm | #

Who on Earth believes Iraq had something to do with 9/11?

Bush, Laura, Barney, Lieberman, Cheney for sure, Kristol and the staff at Fox News... who else?
happy5 | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 2:24 pm | #

can't lierman be recalled?
scott | 01.14.07 - 2:25 pm | #

Armageddon is supposedly the final battle between Good and Evil.

What about all us innocent bystanders?

I mean it's bad enough realizing and seeing your own leaders are also part of the evil for christ sakes!!!!!
What the hell? | 01.14.07 - 2:27 pm | #

True Ashton, but every one knew of the bushites pre-determined plan to inveade afghanistan in order to implement the pipeline, and the neo-cons lust after iraq oil to bust opec. any logical person could have seen where it was going, i told a friend of mine the day of the vote what would happen, and it did.
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:27 pm | #

George McGovern had a few interesting things to say at the National Press Club

video (20 mins) at http://www.foxnews-follies.com
ronhohn | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 2:29 pm | #

please..the war in afghanistan was necessary! that is very different from the war in iraq.
nm
of course it was, the US needs cheap heroin
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:29 pm | #

and if you authorize some one to drive, full well knowing thier propensity for getting drunk, and they get drunk and drive, killing some one, you are partlly responsible.

The neo-cons have a propesnity for war, they should have never been given the keys.
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:29 pm | #

Oh god a whole lifetime of struggling for peace, justice, and freedom down the damn toilet. What a dreadful feeling.
Been there done that | 01.14.07 - 2:29 pm | #

Lieberman says, "The consequences for the Middle East, which has been so important to our international stability over the years..."

It has been important because Western countries (Britain, the US, France) continue to f*ck around in their governments in order to gain control of OIL!!

Lieberman says, "...they get frustrated, they get angry... I wish what they did is got angry because those suicide bombings of people signing up to be Iraqi police officers shows how evil the enemy is..."

Evil? That's not evil! Infiltration and subtrefuge are parts of WAR. Western governments send in spies, infiltrators and provocateurs to other countries all the time to disrupt governments, foment revolt, etc.

Lieberman's "sense of history" should include the "evil" machinations of Western governments, including ours, that have contributed to the instability in various regions around the world!
Rightie O | 01.14.07 - 2:30 pm | #

PEOPLE DONT FORGET ALL OF THIS SHIT IS FOR FUN AND PROFIT (thats prophet to the tools in the heartland)
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:31 pm | #

dirthpath

it is hard to make that distinction when you look at who the main architects of this war were.
nm | 01.14.07

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Yep, the vast majority of the Neocon Architects of the PNAC plan for war with Iraq and Iran, and their supporters, Krystal, Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Ledeen ect... are all Zionist Jews. How more obvious can it be folks?
John Doe | 01.14.07 - 2:32 pm | #

What about all us innocent bystanders?

I mean it's bad enough realizing and seeing your own leaders are also part of the evil for christ sakes!!!!!
What the hell? | 01.14.07 - 2:27 pm | #

Hey, there are NO innocent bystanders in Armageddon. Either you are with the good guys or you're with the bad guys. ...with us, or agin' us!
Rightie O | 01.14.07 - 2:32 pm | #

"every one voted for the war except one lone democrat
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:21 pm "

That is over-simplifying things. Everyone voted to give the President authorization to use force if the President deemed it to be neccesary. No one was ever asked to vote for a war. Voting to give someone authorization to do something is not the same as voting for something. Had Congress been asked to vote on a war, there would be a declaration of war.

If I authorize someome to drive a car and they kill someone, I didn't vote to kill someone. The blame belongs with the driver.
ashton | 01.14.07 - 2:24 pm | #

I will say this.... Both our presidential administration and our congress failed us when they gave that vote for authorization to use force. Doing so was much akin to pulling a gun and instead of shooting someone with it you stand there and beat them with it. From now on it should be a declaration of war or not. Nothing in between. That way the world and the american people know that we are serious about what we are doing and we would then be willing to sacrifice what is necessary to see it through to an end.
steambomb | 01.14.07 - 2:33 pm | #

Lieb is a shape shifter. He plays whatever game he has to, to keep his reptile queen happy.
Been there done that | 01.14.07 - 2:33 pm | #

we need to revisit Manifest Destiny
" ..... but some commentators believe that aspects of Manifest Destiny, particularly the belief in an American "mission" to promote and defend democracy throughout the world, continued to have an influence on American political ideology"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Man...anifest_Destiny
ronhohn | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 2:34 pm | #

and your right, declaration of war or not, the ambiguos use of force vote, will now give the bushites justification to attack iran and syria.
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:35 pm | #

an appropriate response to 9/11...hmmm...how about immediate impeachment and then possibly a pre-emptive attack on the Saudi royal family, after are they are BUSHCOs investment partner.
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:35 pm | #

americans need to have an honest discussion about whether or not they should continue to support israel, carte blanche.
nm | 01.14.07

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Yes, but they have been so "conveniently" conditioned over the last few decades to be afraid of criticizing Israel for, fear of being called ant-Semite, that few dare do it.

Look what just happened to Jimmie Carter over his new book.
John Doe | 01.14.07 - 2:36 pm | #

So tell me, the war in afghanistan was just? what did it accomplish?

Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:33 pm | #

I've always wondered the same thing myself. The bulk of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, why didn't we attack them instead?
Rightie O | 01.14.07 - 2:37 pm | #

Hey, there are NO innocent bystanders in Armageddon. Either you are with the good guys or you're with the bad guys. ...with us, or agin' us!
Rightie O | 01.14.07

Yes there are. Wars are fought between armies. 90% of humanity does not want war and conflict.
Been there done that | 01.14.07 - 2:37 pm | #

So tell me, the war in afghanistan was just? what did it accomplish? other than to quadruple the poppy supply, and put the taliban back into power? at last check we didnt catch bin laden there, and also at last check bush said he didnt care about bin laden any more
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:33 pm | #

The war in Afghanistan was just. The execution of it wasn't. We should never have started with Iraq. The Bush administration began diverting funds from the Afghan war to Iraq almost from the day the Afghan war was started. I dont need to go on to list all the reason why that should never have been done but rest assured, without the necessary forces and funds that is why the poppy production skyrocketed.
steambomb | 01.14.07 - 2:38 pm | #

Afghanistan heroin props up Wall Street. Thats no secret anymore.
It | 01.14.07 - 2:39 pm | #

Yes there are. Wars are fought between armies. 90% of humanity does not want war and conflict.
Been there done that | 01.14.07 - 2:37 pm | #

I was being facetious with regard to the use of the word Armageddon. For those with a hyper-religious outlook, in Armageddon there are NO innocent bystanders. You've had the opportunity to accept Jesus, so if you didn't choose him, you'll be incinerated during Armageddon with the rest of the bad guys/heathens/fence-sitters. Is it clearer now?
Rightie O | 01.14.07 - 2:41 pm | #

Bush conveniently turned over Afghanistan to NATO so he can go to Iraq.

Now that NATO asked for more help because the taliban are coming back, Bush pulls a division out of Afghanistan and sends them to Iraq.

Brilliant move by Field Marshall Chimp
ronhohn | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 2:41 pm | #

what? the u.s. had to go into aghanistan after the 9/11 attacks. you need to live in the real world here.
nm

site owner (please indulge me this once)

the invasion of Afghanistan was soley to quanity the 9/11 attacks, even if they was no conspiracy (righhht), it was old Chimpy who chose to, elected to, decided to, stratergized to ignore EVERY FUCKING WARNING IT WAS COMING!!!
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:41 pm | #

Is it clearer now?
Rightie O | 01.14.07 - 2:41 pm

Yeah. Deer Hunting With Jesus.
Been there done that | 01.14.07 - 2:42 pm | #

and i thought this was about lieberman
scott | 01.14.07 - 2:43 pm | #

It is, how can you understand the man without understanding his underlyin beleif systems in regard to his political actions?
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:44 pm | #

Fuck Russert and his spin.
db | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 2:44 pm | #

Kudos to Hagel. I can't stand that weenie Lieberman. I hope he gets drummed out of the Democratic Party. And speaking of porous borders...maybe we should be putting AMERICA FIRST.
Anonymous | 01.14.07 - 2:45 pm | #

If you need this long drawn out discussion if that is what this is to understand this man we are in trouble
scott | 01.14.07 - 2:45 pm | #

nm, maybe
but then again there are about 3000 young men nad woman who would have been home to celebrate Chistmas or Chanakuh or not celebrate at all but rest assured they were alive.
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:45 pm | #

well to be fair garcia, the imf was allways that way, the imf is in the business of busting soveriegn nations, not helping them
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:45 pm | #

What exactly did we accomplish in Afghanistan, though? The Northern Alliance (NA) was the worst of the worst according to us, until we decided the Taliban was the worst... then we backed the NA to help us roust the Taliban (whom we backed when they were fighting the Russians).

... what did we accomplish? Are we all better now because we attacked an already war-torn country? The Taliban are baaaack... so how was our attack effective?
Rightie O | 01.14.07 - 2:46 pm | #

People of all faiths all over the world have made positive and enduring contributions. The real question is why do people continue to get scammed or in our case taken over by corrupt politicians.
Been there done that | 01.14.07 - 2:47 pm | #

Garcia: your assessment of Judeo Christian feeling in the U.S. is dead wrong. Only the evangelicals and the corporatists care about cowtowing to Israel. The American people generally have no idea how much pressure our federal government feels from special interest ethnic groups that have nothing to do with noble causes. It's all about the money.
Anonymous | 01.14.07 - 2:48 pm | #

And you know Nixon and Vietnam didn't end because people sat around in fear afraid to do anything.
Been there done that | 01.14.07 - 2:48 pm | #

DONT FORGET ABOUT IRAN
WE NEED TO STOP THIS
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:49 pm | #

Holy Joe has gone off the deep end.
phlounder | 01.14.07 - 2:49 pm | #

They hate America.
John Doe | 01.14.07 - 2:51 pm | #

Joe repeated Bush's point in his speach that this is an unconventional war. There aren't tanks, and ships, etc. As Bush said in his speach, there will be no concession ceremony. So Joe says that there are only two ways out-victory or defeat. Why can he not realize that black and white way of thinking doesn't apply in a war that both he and his hero W have both said isn't conventional.

In a grey war the "victory" is going to be a grey as well.
No w NOW | 01.14.07 - 2:53 pm | #

I understand very well what is and will happen. this has all played out at other times in other places how about ending the endless discussion and getting involvede at ground level to make a differrence,ie recall the liar
scott | 01.14.07 - 2:53 pm | #

nm, poppy production was down to almost NIL before we invaded, youre using circular logic
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:54 pm | #

nm

Did it divert resources from Afganistan or did it divert cash into BUSHCO bank accounts...

Afganistan was a stepping stone in the Iraq War strategy, it was ALL planned.

The only thing I see is greed.
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:54 pm | #

John Doe | 01.14.07 - 2:54 pm | #

Your point?
ezpz | 01.14.07 - 2:55 pm | #

we have to start again and by doing this [recalling L ]a strong message can be sent
scott | 01.14.07 - 2:56 pm | #

nm, they military is not an independent branch of government , they serve the executive, whos job it is to protect the American people.
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 2:57 pm | #

This clip was a perfect example of how the neocons could so easily manipulate the people of the US. Lieberman sounded reasonable as he spoke. His words weren't reasonable but when the press didn't do it's job and they allowed this kind of BS without true facts refuting the lies the Lieberman types were allowed to gain power. It is the obligation of Hagel and all the other sane and resonable congress people to take charge and stop this stupidity.
Jeanne | 01.14.07 - 2:58 pm | #

the taliban cut down poppy growing and if the us had not diverted resources to iraq, they would have been able to do the same.

poppy growing re-emerged because the us, in its move to invade iraq, left a security void!
nm | 01.14.07 - 2:58 pm | #

peepers

as you know, the military men like shinseki, who protested, were promptly fired.
nm | 01.14.07 - 2:59 pm | #

nm

remember the war on drugs?
same architects as Team Bush!!!

they got a twofer with their strategery
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 3:00 pm | #

how many siteowners are on this site and do they sit around reading every single comment?

i'm amazed how fast they delete stuff.

Site Monitor: There is only one site owner, John Amato. There is a team of site monitors--we don't give out exact information on the team to enable them to stay anonymous. HaloScan will automatically put in "siteowner" when we edit posts, but it's the site team that monitors comments and yes, we do read each one.

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nm | 01.14.07 - 3:00 pm | #

i think Hagel is going to be a key player in any takedown of this administration...
Peter Hollman | 01.14.07 - 3:01 pm | #

still circular logic nm, why did we have to go in and over throw a sitiing government? because the taliban refused to allow the oil pipeline thru, the bushites had to get them out.
we could have gone in and wiped out the training facilities and terrorist cells without "regime" change.
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 3:01 pm | #

i have not discussed...

nor have i discussed...

nor shall i ever discuss...

any...

alternative theory of the 9/11 event...

so help me God.
Peter Hollman | 01.14.07 - 3:03 pm | #

I saw it, too. God bless ya, Chuck! Sen Hagel took him to the shed and gave him a good spanking. He mopped up Rice the other day,too. Whaddyaknow? It's Jive Ass Joe!

McCain/Lieberman '08
"Because Two Wrongs Don't Make It Right"
taters | 01.14.07 - 3:04 pm | #

have a good week keep up the fight
scott | 01.14.07 - 3:04 pm | #

can i add that henry kissinger is now advising the president to increase the # of troops?
nm | 01.14.07 - 3:05 pm | #

nm., your refusal to admitt that the push into afghanistan was about the pipeline, coupled with the fact that even you admit bush cut and ran to iraq after the pipeline was a done deal, but then your refusal to admit that is why the bushites went there to begin with tell me a few things, your either a neo-con, or have deluded yourself to the point that you can no longer see the truth. either way, whats the point in any discussion with some one who refuses to heed facts
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 3:07 pm | #

Take everything Hagel says with a grain of salt. That subtle gleam in his eye may be a future presidential run. I think he's posturing for the people, those who watch the "news" but don't bother learning the facts behind the "news," and he knows which way the political wind is blowing.

However, I'm still thankful that someone with Hagel's debating skills and quasi-gravitas is attempting to steer us away from the cliff, whereas Joe wants to push everyone over the cliff.
Straight Shooter | 01.14.07 - 3:08 pm | #

NEOCONS ARE CONS, plain and simple. They purpose one agenda to the world, when their real agenda is greed driven. This is very relevant to the conversation!!!
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 3:09 pm | #

This country is going straight down the crapper. Where's the escape hatch, I want out.
drshatterhand | 01.14.07 - 3:09 pm | #

Kind of strange to see a Democrat bend over backwards for a neoconservative president in favor of warfare and a Republican standing up against a conservative president, condemning a war.

My head just may explode one of these days.
BTDT | 01.14.07 - 3:09 pm | #

exactlly straight shooter. how can anyone beleive a word any of these "elected" "officials" say any more?
they will say anything to stay in power
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 3:10 pm | #

You are aware that there really is something George Bush Sr. calls the New World Order, aren't you?

It's not at all synonymous with conspiracy theories on any C&L banned topics.

Denying the NWO is like denying that Dan Quail ever misspelled potato.
New World Order | 01.14.07 - 3:10 pm | #

"U.S. policies have made Israel less safe, experts say"

"JERRUSALEM - After years of supporting the Bush administration's policy in the Middle East, a growing number of Israelis are openly criticizing the United States for creating more, not less, danger for Israel..."

http://www.rawstory.com/ showarti...Fprintstory.jsp
ezpz | 01.14.07 - 3:11 pm | #

BTDT

In the Bush/Lieberman couplet, I think we all know now that Joes a bottom!
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 3:11 pm | #

the pipe line wasnt important for american supllies, it was very important for oil companies who wanted to profit hugelly from a pipeline to supply the asian markets
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 3:12 pm | #

Dead man talking!

But, how do they get the lips to move so realisticaly?
aangus | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 3:13 pm | #

remember that guy from men in black? who was really just a construct for the tiny martian? thats leiberman.
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 3:14 pm | #

One must be aware that neocons 'learn' by talking.

They have yet to discover that listening is more productive to the goal.

How often do you hear that Democrats have no plan? Cheney said it again this morning.

I have heard at least a dozen plans to get out of Iraq. I listen too.
ronhohn | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 3:16 pm | #

"how dare he bring up 9/11 in an effort to scare the american people"

Seriously, for the love of fuck, how can he come out & say something so blatantly untrue, something the White House itself conceded a long time ago?

Isn't this illegal? He's a senator,... can't he be called up for fraud on something like this?
Johnny Thief | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 3:16 pm | #

Chuck Hagel is one of the few Republicans I can tolerate. He seems to speak his mind rather than constantly towing the party line. In another era, I might have even considered voting for him.
spicegal | 01.14.07 - 3:16 pm | #

Johnny,
The white house did concede that point about 9/11 and then continued to use it. Lieberman is going to wish in short order that he hadn't been re-elected. He's already being told to STFU among some members of congress. Hagel may as well as said it in this clip. As time goes on and more and more moderate Repugs speak out Lieberman is going to lose the respect of all of congress.
Jeanne | 01.14.07 - 3:21 pm | #

Holy Joe thinks he is saving us from ourselves.

kerplunk
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Yes.The way of the self-serving.To manipulate and control,telling us it's for our own good.Dangerous.
SJD | 01.14.07 - 3:24 pm | #

Would Zell Lieberman make any sense?

Will he speak at the RNC in 2007?
ronhohn | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 3:24 pm | #

site owner, please tell us, what is "on topic"? a true disscusion will many times go off on a tangent, that is needed to delve into all relevant aspects of a discussion. could you have a discussion on the topic "Purple" without talking about a few of the base colors?
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 3:25 pm | #

and I would have gotten away with it too if it werent for those meddling kids and their dog too!
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 3:27 pm | #

Was Lieberman always this neocon?
Jeanne | 01.14.07 - 3:27 pm | #

I mean before Bush's kiss.
Jeanne | 01.14.07 - 3:28 pm | #

mr peeps, the meddling kids are Cheny,bremer,wolfowitz,etc... im guesing the dogs name is geedub
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 3:28 pm | #

If this Neocon situation is not taken care of, it will by itself, and it could get ugly. So I pray to God that we'll never get there.
garcia | 01.14.07 - 3:29 pm | #

nm

I don't always agree with you, but I still value your opinion
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 3:29 pm | #

Dirtpatch,
Your speaking to an element of things that has become disfunctionally biased.
New World Order | 01.14.07 - 3:30 pm | #

to all interseted, if you have a microphone for your computer, i will have a voice chat lounge up for political discussion some time tonight, around 7pm eastern. I would like to thank crooks and liars for many of the topics that will be discussed daily, and like to thank c&l staff for a good job helping to keep us informed
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 3:32 pm | #

as for c&l site owners, would it be acceptable to post the info as how to connect to the voice chat?

Please do so in the last open thread. Thanks.

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Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 3:34 pm | #

Hagel is more critical (and correct) than Lieberman. He always has been. Lieberman is truly delusional. In some strange way, Lieberman is becoming isolated. Reid and Pelosi haven't backed down from their criticism, and the country hasn't either. So Lieberman's attempt to undermine the Dems aren't really working. It's just about him getting air time and how important he is.

Thanks a lot, dumbass Connecticut voters. Who say blue staters are smarter than red staters?
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.14.07 - 3:35 pm | #

I mean before Bush's kiss.
Jeanne | 01.14.07 - 3:28 pm | #

Well, what do you know? Bush must be a good tongue kisser.
garcia | 01.14.07 - 3:37 pm | #

Well, what do you know? Bush must be a good tongue kisser.
garcia

just ask Jeff Gannon...hehehe
Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 3:38 pm | #

Again, thanks Connecticut.
Zlad | 01.14.07 - 1:21 pm | #

Ditto. In this clip, Hagel looks presidential and Lieberman looks like a scummy worm.

And to think if the right thing had happened in 2000 he'd have been a heartbeat away from the presidency. We just can't win.
snoozer | 01.14.07 - 3:38 pm | #

I've never had a good word to say about Hagel, and I'm not about to start now. But he certainly proved just how easy it is to expose these sanctimonious, incompetent MF's for the frauds and hypocrites they truly are.
North Bay | 01.14.07 - 3:39 pm | #

I can't believe what I'm hearing. This is a man I - and most American voters - voted for as VP of the United States in 2000, and he's defending Dubya? Holy crap!
ski | 01.14.07 - 3:44 pm | #

Lieberman is a NeoCon.
NeoCons are anti-American.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q...related& search=
Free trade breeds slavery.
New World Order | 01.14.07 - 3:45 pm | #

Remember, Lieberman's camp was recently exposed as having knowingly lied about their site hack during the election. That event may very well have won the election for him.

If that's not reason for a recall, I don't know what is.
John Doe | 01.14.07 - 3:45 pm | #

if you have the inclination to never trust any republican , even hagel your intuition is correct, none are worth believeing ,
tyree | 01.14.07 - 3:47 pm | #

tyree

even if said Republican is dreamy?

Mr. Peepers | 01.14.07 - 3:49 pm | #

Republican? LOL! I don't trust ANY politician!
John Doe | 01.14.07 - 3:49 pm | #

.

JUST WHO IS THE REPUBLICAN IN THAT CLIP?
MAX-1 | 01.14.07 - 3:51 pm | #

They are role-playing
ronhohn | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 3:53 pm | #

Maybe Lieberman contracted syphilis and it went to his brain. He seems to be getting stranger by the minute.
Jeanne | 01.14.07 - 3:54 pm | #

.

Holy Joe:There is only two exit strategies. Victory and defeat.

L I A R!

This is the exact theory that killed Custer!

Q U E S T I O N!
WOULD CUSTER HAVE SURVIVED LITTLE BIG HORN HAD HE RETREATED?

.
MAX-1 | 01.14.07 - 3:55 pm | #

Yeah, I emailed an extreme right wing heavily pro war friend of mine this story. He defends every last thing the Republicans do, as long as it is pro-war.

I asked him how he would reconcile the video since the Democrat was siding with his ideology but the Republican.

I love my friend, but like so many other guys, they love war because it gives them a sense of power especially when they have achieved very in their own sad pathetic lives.
John Doe | 01.14.07 - 3:56 pm | #

He did not question his competency; he disagreed with him.
Non_Partisan | 01.14.07 - 4:00 pm | #

Steambomb--with ya but fear this will be the spring 07 version of mar 03 all over again
romary | 01.14.07 - 4:05 pm | #

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Get rid of these war criminals. Apologize to the iraqi people for destroying their country, killing their people and stealing their ressources. Pay for the damages and get out of there NOW!!!

Over the top. Do not advocate violence here.

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Thank God I am an atheist | 01.14.07 - 4:07 pm | #

Apologize for killing a million people and bombing their country into the stone age? Somehow I don't think that's going to work. I like the get out now part though.
Jeanne | 01.14.07 - 4:11 pm | #

This is just embarrassing.
A Republican advocating an end to this horrible war,speaking in a clearly defined logical manner-and a pro war "Democrat" wallowing in jingoistic talking points designed to appeal to emotion rather than logic.
By the time Liebermans through everyone will think this war was the democratic parties idea.
pinkobait | 01.14.07 - 4:05 pm | #

I'm glad to see this debate get some light. The partisan divide is BS. Nearly a quarter of democrats stand by Bush on this war, and more than a handful of republicans are finally beginning to jump ship and come out with the truth.
Joe! | 01.14.07 - 4:15 pm | #

"This is an existential conflict," Cheney said. "It is the kind of conflict that's going to drive our policy and our government for the next 20 or 30 or 40 years. We have to prevail and we have to have the stomach for the fight long term."
It | 01.14.07 - 1:45 pm |

Of course, never ending conflict means never ending profits for pigs like Cheney and LIEberman
idiotland | 01.14.07 - 4:20 pm | #

"We must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom." - Kodos. the Simpsons
IdahoMoe | 01.14.07 - 4:25 pm | #

for the neo-cons who pushed this war, their main agenda was the security of israel
nm | 01.14.07 - 2:35 pm | #

Actually their main agenda is $$$$$$.
Israel is just a good tool just like all the stupid so called "christian" voters in this country.
idiotland | 01.14.07 - 4:29 pm | #

LIEberman is a rarity. He can make shit come out of his mouth instead of his ass.
Anonymous | 01.14.07 - 4:36 pm | #

Not only does he sound like him, but Lieberman is even beginning to look more and more like Bill Kristol. Thanks, Conneticut. You had a chance to drive a stake through the heart of this vampire and you didn't do it.
a guy | 01.14.07 - 4:47 pm | #

How many of Chickenhawk Joe's children and grand children in the army or have ever been in the army. Holy Joe certainly was not.

Holy Joe even comes up with a link to 911!!! Lieberman is pure rightwing scum.
bernarda | 01.14.07 - 4:53 pm | #

Joe Lieberman was a "Civil Rights advocate" and an anti-war protestor during the Vietnam war era who got three deferments to go to college. When it was his time to fight for America during Vietnam, Joe Lieberman took the cowards way out as Chuck Hagel fought there. Yes, as Hagel was fighting in Vietnam Joe Lieberman was filling out deferment paper work. Lieberman needs to get a uniform and get some training and go fight in Iraq against those "terrorists" he never really precisely defines as none of the other idiots do either. "Terrorists" they say, and I say nothing but "strawmen," to further their hegemomnic agenda over the world.

Many of these Israeli firsters like Joe Lieberman and others in his generation were indeed critics of Nixon and the involvement in Vietnam as well as "marchers for Civil Rights" yet are war mongers who have racist attitudes against Arabs in the 21st Century.

Chuck Hagel is someone worth listening to when it comes to war because he unlike McCain has not been bought off by Lieberman's crowd who are close to being the Nazis of the 21st century. Lieberman in my opinion is a good fascist-totalitarian along with his other Zionist pals.

Chuck Hagel is an American firster while Bush, Cheney, and Lieberman are sick psychopaths. We will all get to see the anti-American and anti-Constitutional President Bush tonight on 60 Minutes where he says that Congress does not matter since he is the new Fuhrer of America.

I hate to break it to all of you but we are living under totalitarian rule with an out-of-control Executive which is acting like Hitler and that King of England which Thomas Paine warned everyone about. Bush is yes, acting like a dictator and I am not being dramatic but Bush & Cheney have continually walked all over the constitution and the weak Congress and the weakish American people have allowed this tragedy to occur and before you know it another war will make America even less free and less democratic as further powers will be granted and more rights taken away.
Casey | 01.14.07 - 5:04 pm | #

One other note to make--Jon Kyl and Joe Lieberman wrote an Op-Ed article together a year or two ago together in the Washington Post and both are in the Committee on Present Danger with George Schultz the head man of this group. It is too bad that Meet the Pentagon anchor Russert failed to mention this very significant fact that Lieberman and Kyl serve in this establishment organization which devises war schemes. Anyone who thinks truth or doing a really good job of reporting should be reminded that omissions are also lies and misleading America into thinking it put on a "balanced program." Many of these types of organizations exist in Washington, D.C. but out of the purview of the general public. But Jon Kyl and Lieberman are in this group together it should be noted that the phony appearance and phony claims made this morning by Russert's main premise of contrasting these four Senators was totally dishonest and totally distorted and the American people are owed better than Tim Russert's propaganda nonsense from this morning.
Casey | 01.14.07 - 5:18 pm | #

what casey and all others here who spew "anti zionist" rhetoric seem to forget is, most of the dems in congress also consistently vote to support israel

what they dont do is blindly support bush and his policies.

lieberman is not doing what he does becuase he is a zionist

he is doing what he does because he is who he is....a wingnut in dem clothing....always has been
Uncle Joe McCarthy | 01.14.07 - 5:18 pm | #

Just think after his political career he can move on to being the voice of Droopy the Dog http://upload.wikimedia.org/wiki.../ Droopy_Dog.png
Chris | 01.14.07 - 5:18 pm | #

Don't the body language experts say that quick eye blinking is a sign of lying? Watch LIEbermann again. Are you folks in Connecticut working on the recall yet?
Terry Olson | 01.14.07 - 5:23 pm | #

Oh, right... 9/11.

Idiot.
Triple Lei | 01.14.07 - 5:24 pm | #

God, I never thought I'd say this about a Republican, but I love Chuck Hegel! He essentailly slapped that whiney little bitch Lieberman to the ground! Shame, SHAME on the people of CT for putting that c#cksucker back in the Senate!
Darth_cheney | 01.14.07 - 5:27 pm | #

Scary thing is, considering we might have gotten Lieberman as a Vice President, it's the ONLY thing that makes Bush winning in 2000 a halfway good thing. If Gore had kicked the bucket during his term and Lieberman became Prez, the first thing he would have ordered is mandatory circumcision for all American males!
Darth_cheney | 01.14.07 - 5:35 pm | #

Chuck Hagel / Wesley Clark **

Impeach the war criminals in our W.H and let the experienced & competent leaders take control .

Otherwise ... this country is just digging a deeper hole and FAILING !!
Dlykos banned Susan | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 5:40 pm | #

THANKS to Connecticut for giving the Senate over to Joe Lieberman. He IS the controlling vote and can now hold the Dems over a barrel.

HE WAS NEVER A DEM YET THOSE STUPID PEOPLE VOTED FOR HIM.
aquarius2 | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 5:41 pm | #

I hope the people of Conn. are proud of their cocksucker LIEberman.
enlightened | 01.14.07 - 5:48 pm | #

I know Al Gore vomits every time he sees that punk Joe Lieberman
Liberal Injection | 01.14.07 - 5:50 pm | #

Yo Joe, 21,000 more soldiers after a good year of ramping up this civil war is just Bush staying the course which obviously ain't working.

But you have to give Joe credit for spinning his crap out. He and Bush are likely the only people thinking Bush's plan will work. However, anyone want an unending war like Israel?
Fools on the Hill | 01.14.07 - 5:52 pm | #

way to go Connecticut!!!

say why does Loserman always sound like he's got on cross-threaded that he's tryin to push out?

what about what will happen to puppies and kittens Joe?
senoritchy | 01.14.07 - 5:54 pm | #

Again, thanks Connecticut.
Zlad | 01.14.07 - 1:21 pm | #

no, no, no.....thank all those
repugs who voted for this scum.
leftie | 01.14.07 - 5:54 pm | #

The Lamont campaign has turned Leiberman into a monster. Lieberman will switch parties soon, I'm sure of it.
redratio1 | 01.14.07 - 5:54 pm | #

cant this SOB be recalled?
leftie | 01.14.07 - 5:56 pm | #

i'm trying to understand how defending iraqis from other iraqis helps us here...
Peter Hollman | 01.14.07 - 5:56 pm | #

"...for my children and grandchildren, I fear, would be disasterous..."

(read: I would rather have your sons and grandsons die than my sons and grandsons)

This asshole is spouting pure fiction. He says that we're fighting the same people who attacked us on 9/11 and that they are supported by Iran. Iran and the perpetrators of 9/11 are on opposite ends of the Islamic political and theological scale. If this is Lieberman's "sense of history", then maybe he also thinks that the Minutemen were fighting an occupying Irish-Catholic redcoat army.

Please! Someone (Russert, anybody) call him on his lies!!
sal | 01.14.07 - 5:57 pm | #

This Hagel is very good. If I were a Democratic
candidate,I'd be concerned
J.D. Milne | 01.14.07 - 6:13 pm | #

Is any one really supprised that Lieberman is pushing Isreals agenda?
Hes been voting republican since he was elected as a democrat.
I'm, just waiting for his family values to kick in, when he leaves his wife to marry Ann Coulter, supports big pharma with major purchases of viagra, and impregnates coulter with an isreali/christofacist hellspawn.
Dirtpatch | 01.14.07 - 2:07 pm | #

I doubt Lieberman is pushing for the Israeli agenda. He is a traitor to the world including his own in Israel.

He is a pious looking evil self-righteous bigot who is a narcissistic want to control the world. He has lied about 9/11, iraq war, and his own election. I am sure he stole that election.

Why did he change his role to the Independent democratic party? Who ever appointed as the Chairman of the Homeland Security?

Are you folks that naive about Lieberman's role in this mafia govt.?
In my view, he is dangerous. If you do not support his agenda, he is going to the pious Vatican Pope to destroy the world...

Lieberman needs therapy. He is evil incarnate of Lucifer.
EZ | 01.14.07 - 6:21 pm | #

I truly dislike Joe "Israel First" Lieberman
Emmanuelle | 01.14.07 - 6:25 pm | #

corrections:

I doubt Lieberman is pushing for the Israeli agenda. He is a traitor to the world including his own in Israel.

He is a pious looking evil self-righteous bigot who is a narcissistic want to control the world. He has lied about 9/11, iraq war, and his own election. I am sure he stole that election.

Why did he change his role to the Independent democratic party? Who ever appointed as the Chairman of the Homeland Security?

Are you folks that naive about Lieberman's role in this mafia govt.?
In my view, he is dangerous. If you do not support his agenda, he will go to the pious Vatican Pope to destroy the world...

Lieberman needs therapy. He is evil incarnate of Lucifer.
EZ | 01.14.07 - 6:26 pm | #

While he is at it, he should question thatself-serving SOB's mental competence and his morality. What a slimy dirtbag. It is a travesty that he has been allowed to sit on any committee, much less given the Chair of one.
Paul | 01.14.07 - 6:27 pm | #

"He's even more offensive today than usual if that's possible because he uses the 9/11 attacks and says we're fighting the same enemy in Iraq that attacked our country. He knows that's a right wing talking point that's just not true—yet he'll try to scare people anyway, Shame on you!"

Actually Whiny Joe's right this time. Now we are fighting the same people in Iraq that attacked us on 9/11. Before the war Al Queda wasn't in Iraq but they are now thanks to the Bush gang.

Lieberman speaks of his children and grand children. I wonder if any of Lieberman's children or grandchildren are serving in the Bush/McCain/Lieberman war? My guess is no. It's easy for a chickenhawk to stay the course when they or their kids aren't picking up rifles and heading to the front lines. Draft Lieberman's kids, Mary Cheney, the Bush twins and the children of the stay the course Republicans and "the surge" would immediately change to "declare victory and go home" within a week.

One might say Mary Cheney was a Vietnam baby considering she was born 9 months and 2 days after the being married without kids would get you sent to Vietnam. The married with child deferment was Chickenhawk Cheney's 5th Vietnam deferment. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/ 0...artner=USERLAND . Conservative mantra: "Wars-we start em, you fight em."
Ruthless People | 01.14.07 - 6:43 pm | #

How long did this "planted" man pose as a democrate?

How many policies did he affect?

and the man STAYS in the "system".
Anonymous | 01.14.07 - 6:46 pm | #

Why oh why oh why did my state forsake us all? Are my fellow CTers happy that they voted this clown back into office? I wonder......
kimberly | 01.14.07 - 6:57 pm | #

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Justaguy | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 7:04 pm | #

have it your way but its about liberman do you have to include hagel in a post too,
tyree | 01.14.07 - 7:06 pm | #

Hagel came thru like a champ...much stronger than many of the Democratic pundits lately. And Lieberman shut up like the collaborator and total shit he is.
carol | 01.14.07 - 7:14 pm | #

Q U E S T I O N!
WOULD CUSTER HAVE SURVIVED LITTLE BIG HORN HAD HE RETREATED?
MAX-1 | 01.14.07 - 3:55 pm | #

No, the syphillis would've gotten him.
RobertD | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 8:07 pm | #

Why oh why can't the Democrats stand up to the Bushies like this more often? They wouldn't look weak if they'd just stand up and have a spine once in a while.
Brad | 01.14.07 - 8:31 pm | #

LIEberman lost all respect trying that 911/iraq talking point. Trade Lieberman for Hagel anyday.
Bozzytiger | 01.14.07 - 8:41 pm | #

Boot this false-flag-democrat out of the party.
springj | 01.14.07 - 8:57 pm | #

I must be watching a different clip, because I don't see where Hagel "bitchslapped" anybody. Yeah, he kinda, sorta used some strong words to indicate he has an "honest disagreement" with Lieberman. I didn't hear him take Lieberman to task for using that discredited GOP talking point that equated Iraqis with 9/11. What I did hear was Hagel using that same line of bullshit used by hawks - GOP and Democrat alike: that the Civil War in Iraq is a problem for the IRAQIS to fix. Uh, no, because there wouldn't be a Civil War if we hadn't invaded the fucking country in the first place. I refuse to start believing that things are changing for the better until I hear at least ONE of our so called "leaders" go before the American people and own up to 2 things: 1)The mess in Ifaq is OUR fault and that this will never, EVER, happen again; 2)The United States will seek the assistance of the international community to stop the bloodshed in Iraq. I'm not holding my breath. So Hagel says some pointed comments - big fucking deal! As far as I'm concerned, he's just another in a long line of GOP rats abandoning the sinking ship known as the Bush Administration.
gene214 | 01.14.07 - 9:02 pm | #

i'm sorry but i am unable to listen to joe lieberman talk for longer than a minute or two.
i hate the man. i hate him like i hate george bush and loathe to even look at him much less listen to his whiney voice.
Jenny'O | 01.14.07 - 9:18 pm | #

How bad would it have to get before Lieberman could no longer support the war? I think a cyclon invasion might be required. Or maybe if the sun exploded.
bubba | 01.14.07 - 11:34 pm | #

Thank you Senator Haggel for slapping Mr. Libberman upside his ignorant head.

This is a very ignorant man and sence he thinks so highly of Bush and this illegal war, he need to gather up his kids and get them ready to go into that hell.

I dare him.
Reda E StCyr | Homepage | 01.14.07 - 11:47 pm | #

Can we trade Lieberman for Hagel? Every time I see the two of them on a program, Hagel sounds like the Democrat!
Since Norm Coleman has abandonned Bush, Lieberman can be his new butt boy!
GonzoD | 01.14.07 - 11:50 pm | #

So, in Leiberman's mind there's only victory and defeat? JESUS CHRIST!. He's willing to sacrifice some other lives for victory. You know you're messed up when a Republican, regardles if he's moderate, thinks you're full of it.

Then he has the nerve to bring his kids/grandkids into it. I'm sure he's not asking them to make a sacrifice and sign up for duty.
nerdnoir | 01.15.07 - 12:11 am | #

"JESUS CHRIST!"

Ack! the Mike Malloy HTML tags didn't show up.
nerdnoir | 01.15.07 - 12:12 am | #

Looserman is a fine Republican.
Anonymous | 01.15.07 - 12:23 am | #

Gotta love Holy Joe and his bringing up 9/11 and those that attacked us. Yeah, Joe, after Pearl Harbor we attacked Korea and not Japan. Right?
Scott | Homepage | 01.15.07 - 1:44 am | #

Chuck Hagel no longer owns the electronic voting machine company but yes his election in 96 was dubious.
Bandini | Homepage | 01.15.07 - 2:48 am | #

Hagel should switch parties. If Reid gets one Repub to switch, Lieberman is neutralised.

Holy Joe is such a sanctimonious prick.
Janeane The Acerbic Goblin | 01.15.07 - 3:07 am | #

Hagel, just proved that he will not be one of LIEbermans sock puppets like H.CLINTON,BIDEN,REID,LANDRUI, and other LAP-DOG, SOCK-PUPPETS in the DEMOCRAT party.
blackjack | 01.15.07 - 4:49 am | #

Technically, I think we are now fighting the same terrorists that attacked us on 9/11... because we created an environment from which they can cause problems... A whole country that was closed to them is now a place where they can run rampant.

But, that the hell... as the President said last night, the Iraqi's own as a debt of graditude for turning their country into a shooting gallery and bombing them back to the stone age.
Darren7160 | 01.15.07 - 8:16 am | #

Let me repeat the above sentiments: Joe Lieberman is off the deep end.
omg | 01.15.07 - 8:31 am | #

I find it really funny and odd that a Republican is kicking a former Democrat around on this war. Irony I think.

Also, Holy Joe is only a major war hawk when the safty, of precieved saftey, of Israel is involved.
delver | 01.15.07 - 8:47 am | #

Does anyone know if Senate leadership would change if Lieberman changed to caususing with the repugs?

Or is that even allowed mid term?

Harry Reid should woo Hagel as the WH is doing to Lieberman
ronhohn | Homepage | 01.15.07 - 9:12 am | #

Lieberman lied. Knowingly.

He painly and clearly stated that we are in Iraq to fight the very people who attacked America on 9/11.

THIS IS CALLED A LIE!

On whose behalf is Lieberman lying?

Not Yours!
Anonymous | 01.15.07 - 9:14 am | #

Is there are correspondance course that Sanctimonious Joe could take that would bring him up to speed on the concept of representative democracy? Or maybe a GED? He clearly doesn't even the basics.
Paul | 01.15.07 - 9:48 am | #

Wow.

Barely six seconds into his talking I already want to throw things at him.

Every time he opens his mouth, stupid things come out of his face.

IDIOT.
Loonie | 01.15.07 - 11:23 am | #

Just hang on here!

The purported DEMOCRAT is spewing the Republican bullshit talking points, and the REPUBLICAN is calling him out on them?

Now I'm confused.
Loonie | 01.15.07 - 11:26 am | #

Good point Janeane the Goblin. I thought for a minute Hagel was the Democrat. Holy Joe is and has been an asshole for quite some time. Don't know what Bush's spies have on him.
anon | 01.15.07 - 11:29 am | #

Hagel spanked down the real defeatest, Lieberman, a true Repug., just pretending to be Independent.
Ex-Repug. | 01.15.07 - 11:34 am | #

Lie'berman is passionately supportive of Bushiva's latest plan to protect (Lie'berman's country)...

...Israel...

...people of Connecticut should...

...take their garbage out...

...it's stinking up the country...
big papa | 01.15.07 - 1:41 pm | #

should've proofed that post...

CORRECTION:

People of Connecticut should "clean up their mess"...

...he's stinking up the Senate...

...recall lyin' TREASONOUS AIPAC Joe...
big papa | 01.15.07 - 1:43 pm | #

What's Chuck Hagel up to anyway? Facts and reason? How did this guy get elected?

On a more serious note...Lieberman, would you please JUST SHUT UP. Anyone dumb enough to trot out 9?11 at this point in time really needs to get the hell out of office.
Nick | 01.15.07 - 1:47 pm | #

It was a sad day for Connecticut and the nation when Joe Lieberman first defeated Lowell Weikert for Senator. There was a real independent and a liberal.
Stus | 01.15.07 - 2:10 pm | #

Lieberman - STFU! (please)
Hamburger | 01.15.07 - 2:46 pm | #

ohhhh who is this Chuck Hagel guy, I mean...I know who he is, but now I want to know who he really is
cat4everr | 01.15.07 - 2:59 pm | #

I think that comes pretty close to a b**** slap
cat4everr | 01.15.07 - 3:02 pm | #

Even though Hagel has no business being in the Senate (we all know about his Diebold corporate connection), I can't find anything with to disagree with here. He comes right out and calls it a civil war. He reminds us that it's Shias killing Shias and that we'd be better off protecting the borders so the Iraqis can hash out their differences internally.

Of course, what Hagel also could've said is that the border is porous because we'd disbanded the Iraqi military, who later became the very insurgents that we're even now fighting.

Lieberman was revealed to be the asshat that he is and, as the Carpetbagger Report says, Hagel's words had extra heft because he is a conservative Republican.
jurassicpork | Homepage | 01.15.07 - 7:25 pm | #

Lieberman is such a tool
Chia | 01.15.07 - 7:25 pm | #

I can't believe that I'm saying this, but thank god for Republicans like Chuck Hagel! Because the spineless Democrats would never dare take down Holy Joe Whinerman in this manner for fear of screwing up their senate 'majority'. Is there any way for Connecticut voters to recall or impeach this war-mongering chicken-hawk neo-con shill??? Ugh!
Rb | 01.15.07 - 8:05 pm | #

I used to call Joe Loserman, but now it's Joe Evilman. Disgusting.
GregD | 01.16.07 - 2:57 pm | #

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