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Molnardian | 08.12.06 - 8:14 pm | #

when are the british going to stop kow towing to this despot?
i don't understand why they continue to support gwb2 and his adventures.
Jenny'O | 08.12.06 - 8:14 pm | #

It seems to be a good diversion....but from what? Bush's declining poll numbers, the Middle East, Osama, pulling our troops out of Iraq...?

The fear mongers should have waited till in was closer to November.
Molnardian | 08.12.06 - 8:16 pm | #

Ah HA!

(It was the popular assault on the priviliged in the CT race which they wanted to distract.)
Petro | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 8:18 pm | #

9-11 Deja Vu by Larry Johnson
over at Larry's site: NO QUARTER

The above observations by Larry Johnson says it all.

As far as waiting until closer to November, Monardian, who says they won't pull something even bigger and badder before November? Maybe this is just a warm-up exercise? Republican neo-cons are desperate.
cowboyNEOK | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 8:19 pm | #

"It seems to be a good diversion....but from what?"
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Diversion from Lieberman being defeated, obviously. Otherwise the press would have been all over the subject, exposing further that the American people are against continuin the dabacle in Iraq. Instead the issue is clouded by the Right's rabid flapping lips.
Aaron | 08.12.06 - 8:22 pm | #

Why couldn't the US wait one more week. Because anti-war Ned Lamont won this week, that's why. He, and what he stood for, were erased from the news cycle immediately. Have any news outlets talked about his big win since then, other than the peevish Lieberman?
apple | 08.12.06 - 8:24 pm | #

Ummmmm, so it is C&L's position that GWB Inc. used the terror alerts to counter the Lamont victory?

Somehow I find that premise shallow.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 8:27 pm | #

One thing to remember, is this isn't' the FIRST TIME the Bush Admin has disrupted law enforcement's ability to covertly survey a target before blowing the whistle!

Lest we forget:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...04/cheney.dean/
cowboyNEOK | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 8:27 pm | #

And this is a surprise ??? The Bushco operation finger prints are all over this.. what a bunch of bullcrap.. as usual.
jack meoffer | 08.12.06 - 8:28 pm | #

What's that on Bush's lips?

Why it's Chanel Terror Alert Red Lip Gloss!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEK!
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 8:29 pm | #

to redratio1, who the hell said that was C&L's position.
commenters on here don't work for C&L--well i don't, do you?
Jenny'O | 08.12.06 - 8:32 pm | #

November is when OBL releases his tape.

But I do think that the American sheeple have had just about enough.

CNN Headline: Ned Lamont asks the President: Why haven't We Captured Osama bin Laden and Knocked Al Qaueda Out of Action? Goes on to say: 'We beat the Nazi war machine in less time than this. What is the hold up?'
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A.Citizen | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 8:33 pm | #

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The Angry Hobbit | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 8:34 pm | #

Another possibility:
British officials wanted to wait. However, had they waited, how close to the fifth anniversary of 9/11 would the arrests have occurred?
algebraowl | 08.12.06 - 8:35 pm | #

Jenny'O | 08.12.06 - 8:14 pm

Jenny, If the bushies decide that their going to blab about it in order to score political points, there's not much that UK security can do to shut them up. Bushies don't listen anyway. They left UK security with one hell of a mess to clean up and the best they could do is stay professional about it. I bet in the future they'll think twice about how much info they share with their gossipy 'friends'.
gbear | 08.12.06 - 8:36 pm | #

oops. first their should be they're. I hate when that happens.
gbear | 08.12.06 - 8:38 pm | #

to redratio1, who the hell said that was C&L's position.
commenters on here don't work for C&L--well i don't, do you?
Jenny'O | 08.12.06 - 8:32 pm | #

Did you read the first line of the post after the "by JOHN AMATO"?

Darrrrrrrrr....

The only question is what does he mean by "doubting the timing"
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 8:38 pm | #

Of course, what's new?
eyah | 08.12.06 - 8:42 pm | #

ONE of the Muslim converts arrested in the liquid bombs plot raids is the half-brother of former supermodel Heather Stewart-Whyte.

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The Angry Hobbit | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 8:42 pm | #

they tell us what they want us to know
tru_thordare | 08.12.06 - 8:43 pm | #

1st of all Angry hobbit, how many times have you heard neighbors of a serial killer say "He was such a nice quite guy"?

2nd of all, reading Alex Jones is bad for your mental health.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 8:44 pm | #

1. A link is all we need.

2. If you feel you must quote the whole thing in your post, start your own blog.
xtien | 08.12.06 - 8:44 pm | #

errrrr meant *quiet* not quite.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 8:45 pm | #

Although this does not surprise me, every time an article contains a line such as "speaking on condition of anonymity" You really have to question it. To many news outlets these days try to create the news instead of reporting it. IE.) FOX News
Greg | 08.12.06 - 8:45 pm | #

Please help me. If this story prove out, doesn't that piece of garbage become a slam dunk for IMPEACHMENT?
bill | 08.12.06 - 8:48 pm | #

bill | 08.12.06 - 8:48 pm | #

No, unfortunately this is small potatos compared with what he has already gotten away with....though I don't believe in this case there was anything overtly nefarious about the timing.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 8:50 pm | #

Ummmmm, so it is C&L's position that GWB Inc. used the terror alerts to counter the Lamont victory?

Somehow I find that premise shallow.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 8:27 pm | #

Shallow?. Everytime something is wrong with the GOP we have a terror alert. The GOP loves Leiberman and Leiberman is using the GOP talking points against Lamont, calling him weak on terror. Why would that be shallow or even surprising. I call it common sense. This country was a mess in the 2004 elections. How do you think they won it? Buy using scare tactics calling the Dems weak on national security. Wow! If this country was so weak on national security under Democrats control, why is it that more Americans are dead under Republican control then when the Democrats had control? Once again common sense.
Greg | 08.12.06 - 8:52 pm | #

You don't know why Tony Blair is such a whore for George Bush? Wellll...lemme tell ya. I have a good Irish friend, who is former IRA, now kind of staying very quiet in a small central American Banana Republic. Had an interesting conversation with him about 2 years ago. Seems GWB got with Blair and essentially told him that if he joined with the US in the Iraq Venture, funding for arms for the IRA, which were mostly coming from the US, in places like Boston, would be made to dry up. Follow the money, people. (or lack of.)...heard about the IRA lately? Pretty quiet allofasudden in Belfast since Iraq started, begorrah.
capnmike | 08.12.06 - 9:00 pm | #

Bush/Cheney and their merry band of Neo Fascists have been hammering this over our god damned heads, I look forward to seeing the Terrorists of the US Government being "brought to justice". When peaceful revolution is impossible, violent revolution is inevitable.
Guy Fawkes | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 9:03 pm | #

Greg | 08.12.06 - 8:52 pm

Exactly.
Petro | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 9:04 pm | #

Even Tommy Ridge admitted that Bush and Cheney and not he were in charge of scare colour chart and that Bush and Cheney would raise the level in spite of Ridges objections when they needed distraction or smoke and mirrors. When are Americans gonna band together and defeat this enemy within ? I thought the tipping point for these bastards would have come long ago.
Col Kilgore | 08.12.06 - 9:06 pm | #

When Frist goes himself, we might.

Then we might not.

That's a democracy. Stop hating it.
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 9:15 pm | #

USA:
FEAR
EATS
THE
SOUL
Snappy | 08.12.06 - 9:15 pm | #

Thank Gawd; The shrub is going to make air travel a nudist experience.
ralph | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 9:19 pm | #

ralph, don't look now:
http://www.guzer.com/pictures/ na...ed_airlines.php

Serenity Now | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 9:21 pm | #

Hmm the conspiracy wingnuts may not be so nutty
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 9:21 pm | #

Convenient, very convenient, how very bloody convenient!
Thing Fish | 08.12.06 - 9:23 pm | #

Serenity Now | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 9:21 pm | #

Of course ironically, clothed airlines will be the novelty niche market.
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 9:24 pm | #

Oops that was me " Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 9:24 pm | #". Switched to Firefox from IE.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 9:25 pm | #

Is Mr. Creosote on the no-fly list?
Larry | 08.12.06 - 9:27 pm | #

Who is that?
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 9:34 pm | #

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Imaginary Shiite Fanatic | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 9:44 pm | #

lol, NOW I remember. 'Mint sir? Its only wafer thin!' BOOM!
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 9:44 pm | #

Hey site monitor, I asked you a ?

Could you have to courtesy to answer!

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Imaginary Shiite Fanatic | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 9:47 pm | #

Psssst, Imaginary....look to the left of the C&L main site under "Contact Us"....what do you see?
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 9:48 pm | #

redratio1 - CNN is reporting the story C&l just picked it up. What do you think? Why would the Bush admin push to have it cme out a week earlier? Maybe you think Scotland Yard is lieing. Face it, bushco has been manipulating the terror alerts all along. They want people scared and now it stopprd working. It doesn't scare anyone anymore it pisses them off. They're doing absolutly nothing to make the country safer and in fact have just inflamed the Arab world. again according to news reports these mopes in London are a bunch of half wits. They had no passports had no plane tickets and no chemicals. Supposedly the got the go ahead call which set off the arrests. If thats true Why didn't they have passports? Do you think you get a passport overnight? Don't just take one report and makr a knee jerk judgement about what's going on. Listen to all sides and think about what makes the most sense.
ckerst | 08.12.06 - 9:53 pm | #

"A senior British official knowledgeable about the case said British police were planning to continue to run surveillance for at least another week to try to obtain more evidence,"
-yes but it had so much more political impact(right after the Lamont victory)to strike when they did.Gee,big surprise.Yawn...
pinkobait | 08.12.06 - 10:00 pm | #

Thank Gawd; The shrub is going to make air travel a nudist experience.
ralph
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I hope your next plane trip isn't with a load of seniors going to Vegas.
ckerst | 08.12.06 - 10:01 pm | #

We're in trouble this November. These people believe elections are great sport. It's not who wins fairly, but who can come up with the most tricks to steal elections.

When is the Democratic assault going to begin?
Hannity Sucks Ass | 08.12.06 - 10:01 pm | #

I'm just saying, to tie this to the Lamont victory just give us toooo much credit. The stakes are WAY too low to use such a big card. Unless they are total morons of course. There could be a million other reasons the administration sped this up.

If this was closer to November when no one could forget about it (remember the MSM and public have short-term memories) then I would agree. But Lamont is small potatos.

Meh, I guess we will never really know.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 10:01 pm | #

redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 10:01 pm

The Lamont win was HUGE. David beat Goliath.
The blogs proved they know how to 'Throw A Party'
*pun intended

Serenity Now | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 10:07 pm | #

I just read this "terror" related story and I couldn't believe my eyes. Absoultely unbelievable.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ 20060..._terror_charges

3 Texas men arraigned on terror charges:

Three Texas men were arraigned Saturday on terrorism-related charges after police found about 1,000 cell phones in their minivan, and prosecutors say they believe the men were targeting a bridge connecting Michigan's Upper and Lower peninsulas.

Two of the men said they were only trying to buy and sell phones to make money, and one said the money was intended to help pay for his brother's college education......

Ali Houssaiky and Osama Abulhassan, both 20 and from Detroit suburb of Dearborn, have been charged with two felonies — money laundering in support of terrorism and soliciting or providing support for acts of terrorism — and misdemeanor falsification. A preliminary hearing on the felony counts was set for Tuesday.

Defense lawyers said Houssaiky and Abulhassan planned to resell the phones simply to make money. They say the men were targeted only because they are of Arab descent.

I am at a loss for words- this is so sad.
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 10:08 pm | #

Fox was all over this this morning saying that this terror plot should help boost the GOP at election time. I guess we are all gonna get the same 'scare 'em all' treatment again this time for election. It worked before so they figure it should still work again.
DG | 08.12.06 - 10:08 pm | #

Unfortunately for him his name is Osama.....and they were arrested in TExas.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 10:09 pm | #

The GOP don't get it. People aren't pissed at them for the War on Terror, they are pissed at the corruption, incompetence, lies, and especially the War in Iraq.

People have figured out that Iraq had nothing to do with terror until we invaded......something the right wingnuts have not.

The GOP is going to have their asses handed to them in November.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 10:12 pm | #

"Unless they are total morons of course. "

umm, ya think?
TheScaryPatriot | 08.12.06 - 10:14 pm | #

It appears that the Brits didn't want to share information about the plot with the Bush regime too early because they thought that BushCo would leak it before they wrapped up the loose ends. In the end, it looks like the Brits bowed to US pressure, once BushCo found out about it, to act right away, leaving who knows what loose ends. While I'm no conspiracy theorist, I have a hard time believing that there was no political objective behind the timing.
Snowball | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 10:15 pm | #

I continue to be amazed at the stupidity (not harsh enough of a description) of our leaders. Please, someone.... give me a sign of hope that November will be such a ground swell of revolt from our citizenry to overthrow the entire forces of evil from any position of responsibility starting with House & Senate. Next... line up all the current administration for impeachment and treason investigation/hearings/conviction and sentencing .. keep them so busy trying to cover their own asses they will stay OUT of the business of "keeping America safer".... And line up an endless parade of witnesses, documents, whatever it takes to finally prove to the faux breed that they have been dupped, manipulated, and totally HAD. I thought I felt the stirrings of the revolt on Tuesday night... please... don't tell me it was only gas!!!
txlvn | 08.12.06 - 10:17 pm | #

He wants his 33% rating to go up. You know we are reminded that the terrorist are out there and "he" has kept us safe since 911. Yeah, sure, he's keeping us safe, especially with our "OPEN BORDERS!"
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 10:17 pm | #

"Monardian, who says they won't pull something even bigger and badder before November? Maybe this is just a warm-up exercise?"
Right.
Islamic fascists have never attacked you Americans with passenger planes before, I guess...

"Republican neo-cons are desperate."
You mean Islamic fascists, I'm assuming...

"Diversion from Lieberman being defeated, obviously."
What about the Israeli Hezbollah war??? What's that a diversion from?

"Otherwise the press would have been all over the subject, exposing further that the American people are against continuin the dabacle in Iraq."
Yet again.
The same bullshit that Americans rejected in November 2004...

"Instead the issue is clouded by the Right's rabid flapping lips."
Yup. Sucks when the left can't control the news like they used to, eh? Reminds me of all the people in Canada that don't watch the CBC News(Fox News instead, of course), or listen to CBC Radio(Sirius instead)...

p.s Good luck to all ye Democrats who think the left is just going to breeze through the National Security/Foreign Policy aspect of your November election...

p.s.s Does anyone think the media is going to take time out of covering the war to report on that fucking geek Lamont? Reminds me of a failed L.A actor...
Knight of Good Mr. Iron Man | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 10:17 pm | #

"2nd of all, reading Alex Jones is bad for your mental health.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 8:44 pm | # "

I love Alex Jones, and reading him is not bad for your mental health. He has documentation on what he writes and proof with pictures or video. More should read him and hopefully wake up from their slumber.
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 10:21 pm | #

Folks, it's going to get better. 2 to 1 the "SWIFTBOAT VETS" will be out before November. Anyone want to be???
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 10:23 pm | #

anyone want to bet (sorry the t key didn't go down)
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 10:24 pm | #

This is of a same page from 2004. Right about when Kerry was getting the Democratic nomination the terror alert went up.

Immediately a lot of people said "oh come on, not again." They were concerned that the Bush Administration was manipulating the terror alerts (something Ridge aluded to when he went to spend some time with his family-though he said he was against over-using the terror alerts but was "overruled").

So in order to make it seem like the terror alert was real, the Bush Administration said look, we have a double agent, and even better, his name is Khan (no not Ricardo Montalban, some Pakistani). The British were furious with us. We did have a double agent who was helping us worm into the network and identify sleeper cells and plots. But when baby Bush broadcast Khan's identity and that he was working with us, the Brits said they lost dozens of people who immediately went underground. Fricken geniuses that bunch.

Republicans have long said that the government is not good for anything. They are half right. When Republicans control the government, then it isn't good for anything. You could drive across country in a Yugo if you have a sensible driver. But you couldn't make it across Manhattan island in a Hummer with these guys at the wheel.
coltergeist | 08.12.06 - 10:27 pm | #

wake up, folks. the "terror plot" is just another in the long line of hoaxes we've been seeing from this government for 4 years and 11 months now, starting with that first big one. if you can't see that, you're just not paying attention.
legalpad | 08.12.06 - 10:31 pm | #

"...the foundation of moral leadership is telling the truth."

- John Edwards
zoshu | 08.12.06 - 10:37 pm | #

Why are there suddenly stories about how the terrorists had planned to attack sooner than later? Read this one:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpo...98f162c& k=61144

Notice something funny?... The plot seems to have taken place entirely in Pakistan and Britain, but U.S. intelligence intercepted the message from Pakistan to "Do your attacks now."

Why don't I believe this? Oh, right, because the Bush administration is stocked with shameless liars.
SuperEdo | 08.12.06 - 10:42 pm | #

coltergeist > Democratic nomination
That 2004 "terror alert" was a fun wasn't it? The territs were going to blow up Wall Street. But then, at the height of the alert, Laura and twins decided to visit the NASDAQ, aka "ground zero" of the area to be removed from the Earth by territs bombs. OOOOppps.
cj51 | 08.12.06 - 10:45 pm | #

Pakistani this, Pakistani that! Can't they even come up with something new to lie about?
kablooie | 08.12.06 - 10:59 pm | #

Hey, anybody remember back when they nabbed Elian Gonzales on Earth Day (it was also Easter Sunday) in order to disrupt any potential media coverage of happy, family-centered, environmentally-friendly news stories?

New feathers, same old tired-ass bird.
kablooie | 08.12.06 - 11:01 pm | #

2 Questions (please everyone help me out on this one):

1. By accusing the White House of distracting us from their dismal performance with stories of terrorist plots, are we not conceding that such incidents are good for the administration and Republicans because they are so darn good at fighting the "war on terrorism" and

2.Why do we assume that news of a terrorist plot is good for Republicans and for Bush, lest we forget that our country is much more reviled and unsafe because of him.

You guys are the best so please don't take on the assumptions that Rove wants you to - that terrorism is good for the President. That's for the asleep-at-the-wheel rank and file citizens, not the enlightened ones.
kdjid | 08.12.06 - 11:02 pm | #

questionable..............but what if?........is it bullshit?.......doubt it...............is there bullshit.....yeah
mudshark | 08.12.06 - 11:04 pm | #

read complete transcript at:

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...o.uk/ ...cle.asp? ID=4957

House August 10, 2006
TBR News.org – August 10, 2006

“Here, as promised, is an interesting conversation that somehow accidentally got intercepted and transcribed. There are lots more where this came from!”

Transcription of telephone conversation on August 3, 2006
From
Israeli Embassy, Washington D.C. Telephone Number (202) 364-5582.
to unidentified individual at AIPAC, Washington D.C., Telephone Number (202) 639-5201

Commenced 1821 hrs, concluded 1826 hrs.
Speaker A Reuven Azar - Counselor for Political Affairs, Embassy of Israel
Speaker B Unidentified individual located at AIPAC headquarters

A. Well, things are going as well as expected, better perhaps than expected. There is military progress there (Lebanon) and we have wonderful cooperation here.
B. For sure, but don’t forget the dangers in having too much cooperation. All right for this moment but in the long run, this can certainly backfire on us. You know, we are seen as being too much influential with the Bush people.
A. I wouldn’t worry too much about that. The media is certainly not to worry about and most Americans really do not care about things there (Lebanon) The main point is that by the time the U.S. makes itself felt at the UN, we will have accomplished our goals and established the buffer we need.
B. Absolutely but…there is still the future to think about.
A. Who cares? Once we establish the buffer, the rest is just shit. It will all be hidden soon in the coming press reports of Arab ‘attacks’ on the U.S. This is for the voting in November. You know, ‘many Arab groups will for sure attack American targets.’ They (the U.S. Government) will choose so-called target areas where they need the most support. We don’t need to worry about Miami, Skokie or Beverly Hills after all. (Laughter) and this is a little crude but the public here is terribly stupid and the warning color days worked before, didn’t they?
B. Yes, but there are second thoughts on all of that. If you go to the well too often, there are problems. People lose interest.
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 11:09 pm | #

Anonymous!!!!!!!!is this for real!.......and if it is ..............who is speaker B.......this could be huge
mudshark | 08.12.06 - 11:19 pm | #

Anonymous - Do you really think this is authentic? How did you find this? The link you provided says "Page Not Found".
kdjid | 08.12.06 - 11:24 pm | #

I was e-mailed it. Go to the site. This is the 1st time I went to it. I don't know if it is real, but if it is you are right, it is big.
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 11:28 pm | #

omg, I just went to it and it was there. I just went to it now and you are right, it is gone. It was there. Here is the Home page site. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...co.uk/ index.asp

It was down towards the bottom.
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 11:32 pm | #

You can get to it if you go to the homepage. It is right next where it says copyright (copyright in white writing on the left.
Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 11:35 pm | #

Some fucking dolt upthreat said that Bliar got Bush to shut down the IRA.... oh please. The IRA are not worth swapping with Jihadists for fucks sake!

Anyway this ignores the fact that the IRA have been winding down since the mid nineties largely because the Republic and Dublin has become rich enough to be a more attractive place than Ulster and Belfast for the first time in 400 years!
Rt Hon McAdder Esq KBE | 08.12.06 - 11:40 pm | #

busted!
mudshark | 08.12.06 - 11:41 pm | #

ummmmmmm........I do believe it was Clinton who did the most work.......and had the most success with the IRA.........
mudshark | 08.12.06 - 11:44 pm | #

Poor Christ Matthews, for 3 days all I heard from his spittling mouth was how these terrorists were caught in the nick of time, one minute more and a horror beyond 9/11 would have been real. Gee Mr. Matthews, where'd you get that spin from?
Fred F. | 08.12.06 - 11:45 pm | #

Anonymous..I hope we see more of this
mudshark | 08.12.06 - 11:46 pm | #

and thanks for the info
mudshark | 08.12.06 - 11:46 pm | #

Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 11:32 pm | #

Yeah, what a FANTASTIC site.....(/sarcasm)

I can understand complaining about Israeli tactics, but rooting for Hezbolla? That is just retarded.

redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 11:53 pm | #

And one more thing: "copyright"? Doesn't that mean that someone wrote this and is claiming the rights to it?
That is a big time propaganda site. One word gives it away: "illuminati"

It's a rense sight. Need I say more?
ezpz | 08.12.06 - 11:55 pm | #

oops, wrong thread
ezpz | 08.12.06 - 11:56 pm | #

Anonymous the link is www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4957 (got rid of http:// to keep haloscan from breaking the link with the ....)

WTF!!!??? C&L has done a great job without my input but in my humble opinion this is worthy of its own section.

I'm trying to look at that 9/11 video on that site also, but the buffering is choppy at best (slow connection here). The first few seconds of it is erie at best.
kdjid | 08.12.06 - 11:59 pm | #

John, never doubted it for a second. Surely you read this comment earlier, on the Boyd thread:

Undoubtedly payback for voting out Lieberman on Tuesday.
VinnieVegas | 08.12.06 - 6:40 pm | #
VinnieVegas | 08.13.06 - 12:09 am | #

I never doubted the timing. Since they got the Brits to arrest too soon they now have less evidence for convictions and could have followed more roots of the tree. Now how much is that political bounce worth if one or two of those people that the Brits never got to, wind up killing americans?
steambomb | 08.13.06 - 12:37 am | #

Yawn....looks like I'm gonna have to find a more stable blog...
redratio1 | 08.13.06 - 12:50 am | #

[deleted--you've posted this once already. Please don't keep spamming threads with the same links.]
Anonymous | 08.13.06 - 12:53 am | #

It appears that the buschco junta, with previous knowledge of this operation, blew it prematurely for political gain within the US. Every time I think that the current administration cannot sink any lower I am proven wrong.
Gregory | 08.13.06 - 1:10 am | #

Why are these knuckle heads sticking their hands if another nations investigation? This story has been in the wind for five months so please don't try to come up with the "that is a surprise answer".
TR | 08.13.06 - 1:41 am | #

One can rarely - if ever - go wrong being skeptical about any of BushCo's actions or pronouncements that come along, can one?

Everything, everything, everything is about political advantage - in this case not letting the Dems get up a head of steam with the Lamont victory over Dubya's pet Democrat.

. . .
SteveGinIL | 08.13.06 - 1:49 am | #

Anonymous | 08.12.06 - 10:08 pm |
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 10:09 pm |

Here's a story from Thursday's(Aug.10) Detroit Free Press. It's a different case, same m.o..

2 Dearborn men linked to terrorism
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.d...EWS05/ 608100332

These guys were arrested on a routine traffic stop. No DHS or NSA, just the local cops in Marietta, Ohio.

I'm not saying the detainees in either the Ohio or Michigan case are guilty, but when someone who claims to be in the retail business is buying at retail, it strikes me as suspicious. HIGHLY suspicious. Why not buy at wholesale? On an invoice?

And the bridge connecting the U.P. to Lower Michigan is the Mackinac Bridge. It's the only roadway connecting(directly) our two peninsulas:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Mackinac_Bridge

My kid is visiting his grandparents right now, which is about 1/4 mile from the bridge. He can walk 150 ft to the beach and gaze at it all day long. It means as much to us in Michigan as the Golden Gate Bridge or the Brooklyn Bridge mean to those in San Francisco and New York City, respectively. And, once again, it is the ONLY direct link between the two peninsulas of our state. No Bay Bridge or Tri-Borough as back-up.
Andy K | 08.13.06 - 2:04 am | #

I bet right now they were wishing they had a color or two still left on the threat chart. I can hear Cheney now, What do you mean I can't raise it above red? Fix it! So they'll have to lower it soon so they can raise it again. Frankly with all the scare tactics they like to trot out from the RNC, I'm amazed it hasn't been at threat level Red Imminent since 2001.
mike | 08.13.06 - 2:13 am | #

2 Questions (please everyone help me out on this one):

My answer (related to both questions)

Wrong premise. You can even make the case that the terror threats themselves are evidence we are not suceeding. Now you ask, why? To me it is very simple, to use the terror deal as a political lever ensures failure.
In addition, there is the story today about the early arrests and the fact this was identified last March which prompted the investigation in the first place. To be sucessful, you have to let the experts decide when to attempt to break it up. In other words, stay the hell out of it.
The BushCo has tried to paint the picture they and only they can beat this. The cable media has been complicit in this. However, as more Americans are harassed and put out at airports, people will see they have no chance of success against this threat. Then you will see regime change.
TR | 08.13.06 - 2:14 am | #

My bad apparently they are down to elevated at this moment, plenty of upward mobility in case the news cycle heads south again.
mike | 08.13.06 - 2:14 am | #

Here's a link so you can see for yourself, it's actuall in 3 states at once, it's a quantum threat level display.
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/dis...isplay? theme=29
mike | 08.13.06 - 2:17 am | #

When was the last terror alert. In the months prior to 2004's election. I think this is another of Karl Rove's weapons of mass distraction. That it comes a couple of months early concerns me. What is in that warped brain for mid October.
straight shooter | 08.12.06 - 8:39 pm

*cough *Do not confuse the lower case straight shooter with the upper case Straight Shooter, although we do seem to think alike.

Code Red is not a terror alert; it's a "GOP in the crapper" alarm.
Straight Shooter | 08.13.06 - 2:22 am | #

"What do you mean I can't raise it above red? Fix it!"
mike | 08.13.06 - 2:13 am |

Double-secret Probation!
Andy K | 08.13.06 - 2:24 am | #

"Code Red is not a terror alert; it's a "GOP in the crapper" alarm."
Straight Shooter | 08.13.06 - 2:22 am |

I think it's a "Nip Democratic momentum in the bud" alert.

2004's big alert came right after the Democratic Convention- Kerry's numbers took a big dip when the alert level was raised.

2006's alert came 2 days after anti-war Democrat Ned Lamont defeats Republican Joe Lieberman in the primary. Hell, it wasn't even 48 hours!

I think the ploy is going to work against the fuck-tards this time. Too bad they've got control of the voting machines.
Andy K | 08.13.06 - 2:31 am | #

Bush links Hezbollah and 'plot'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ameri...cas/ 4787207.stm
Anonymous | 08.13.06 - 2:35 am | #

It seems to be a good diversion....but from what?

The only thing that makes sense to me is that it simultaneously distracts from the Israel-Lebanon conflict itself, and tends to support the Israeli actions as part of George Bush's ludicrously inept "War on Terror".
Squeaky McCrinkle | 08.13.06 - 2:37 am | #

Amother point is the Lebanon cease fire, something this Administration strongly resisted.
TR | 08.13.06 - 2:41 am | #

The alert above red is infra-red...but no one can see it...you can only feel its heat.
redratio1 | 08.13.06 - 2:50 am | #

I think it's a "Nip Democratic momentum in the bud" alert.

Japanese Democrats?
redratio1 | 08.13.06 - 2:51 am | #

Hahaha, before you ban me C&L I'm a Japanese American. LMAO...ok too many beers here.
redratio1 | 08.13.06 - 2:52 am | #

"Japanese Democrats?"
redratio1 | 08.13.06 - 2:51 am

Actually, I was going for Bra-less female Democrats.

Before I get banned- ahh, fuck it...I can't pull that one off without shaving!
Andy K | 08.13.06 - 3:01 am | #

This sounds mainly like it was a British run investigation (MI-5) and Pakistani and they shared info. with us. Why are we pushing them? when it is really their investigation and operation. I don't like that we want to run everything, everywhere. The Brits know what they are doing.
DG | 08.13.06 - 3:29 am | #

I'm curious to the answer of DG's question from these nut cases. My hunch is you will hear prattle about we can't take any chances after 9/11, we are in a much different world, maybe "Islamic fascism is Nazism (lol) " will be mentioned also. Hence, we pushed the Brits to break up the plot (stupidly)
TR | 08.13.06 - 3:54 am | #

Anyone who believes a word of what this administration puts out just doesn't get it. Loserman + Rove = Red Alert! Acetone triperoxide is an "explosive" used in the movie business to simulate a small explosion. It's equivalent to flash powder and couldn't possibly blow a hole in an airplane unless they allowed you to bring a fifty-five gallon drum on board. The Bushapoids are running scared and this is the last rabbit in their hat.
purvis ames | 08.13.06 - 4:14 am | #

purvis ames | 08.13.06 - 4:14 am

Does there have to be an explosion which causes a breach of its fussilage to bring an aircraft down? Seems to me that enough flame and smoke might do the job.

Just sayin'....

The administration has been of no help whatsoever in halting an increasing rate of plots.

One last thought before I nod off: it seems to me that this recently foiled plot was aimed to terrorize the UK. Pakistani citizens and UK citizens of Pakistani descent plotting to blow up planes destined for US tourism centers? Sure, there'd be US casualties, but I think this is anger over the racism-real or perceived- suffered by non-whites in the UK.

If I'm correct about this, then this shows how out of touch we are while fighting this "war". There are so many disparate and far-ranging reasons that people commit acts of terror, yet so many in the West find it easiest to label this as a war with Islam. But is Eric Rudolph a muslim? Was Tim McVeigh? No- but like most of these islamic terrorists McVeigh and Rudolph must have shared a certain sense of dis-empowerment and dis-enfranchisement- once again, real or perceived.

But I suppose that perception is all that really matters. Proof of what's real is hard to root out.
Andy K | 08.13.06 - 4:52 am | #

The above is exactly the reason not to intervene in an investigation we know nothing about
TR | 08.13.06 - 5:17 am | #

"We don't have any evidence that there's an actual threat or cell here in the United States," White House counterterrorism adviser Fran Townsend said. She made the rounds of the morning talk shows to assure airline passengers that it was safe to fly.
greenback | Homepage | 08.13.06 - 7:00 am | #

Every time the administration makes some announcement about terrorism threats, I say to myself, "well, maybe its true. Even though I oppose many Bush policies, and voted against him twice, I guess he has a duty to protect America."

But, everytime I find out later its just propaganda.

There are questions about the British operation. For example, there was a government plant in the terror cell. Was he the leader who cooked up the sceme? The guy who was bankrolling the effort? In other words, was it entrappment? The manufacture of a crime by law enforcement? And, why was it broken up this early? Strange.

Maybe it is all legit, but you can't blame me for doubt. Not after the fairytale War on Terror that has been shopped by the administration so far.
Capability Jones | 08.13.06 - 7:10 am | #

I'd agree the timing could look pretty fishy. But to suggest a conspiracy shows very limited understanding of the makeup and allegiences of MI5. They're no Blair lovers and in light of the Menezes and Forest Gate incidents the idea that they'd compromise a potential conviction after pressure from the White House is pretty far-fetched. MI5 need a result on this one and if the operation was being compromised due to external pressures then expect it to be leaked to high heaven.
Pick any date in the last month: it'd be easy to claim that had this story broken that particular day to divert attention from X, Y, Z.

Oh, and Capnmike. I got a real laugh out of your comments about your 'IRA friend'. Utterly absurd.
cassiopeia | 08.13.06 - 8:46 am | #

"War? WAR? Get serious! There's an election coming!"
Kip W | 08.13.06 - 8:51 am | #

Ummmmm, so it is C&L's position that GWB Inc. used the terror alerts to counter the Lamont victory?

Somehow I find that premise shallow.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 8:27 pm | #

It is not a premise. It is a conclusion.

For evidence supporting this conclusion.... egad, I don't know where to start
xenanthro | 08.13.06 - 9:35 am | #

Waiting longer simply wouldn't have worked. The Bush crowd needed an antidote for Ned Lamont's victory, and they needed it immediately in order to paint him a "weak on terrorism" and Joe Lieberman as the "voice of reason."
Robert Lockwood Mills | Homepage | 08.13.06 - 9:52 am | #

Emailed today to MSNBC, like I really think anyone there is going to pay the slightest blind bit of attention...

Re: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14320452/

Dear MSNBC,

Knowing sending an email to you will be about as effective as... er... spitting in the wind, I still have to try. Please, someone explain to me why, oh why, did this headline have to be labelled 'Terror in the Sky'?

There WAS no 'terror in the sky'. There was a raid and a several people arrested on suspicion of terrorist activities over aborted plots to blow planes. All thanks pretty much to bog standard, low key British intelligence and police work. But NO 'terror', in the sky or otherwise.

What there IS, is chaos at the airports with ludicrious 'security' measures making air travel near impossible.

I'm an American ex-pat, and I know my British friends and colleagues click onto the same links to this sort of story from political blogs, all searching for answers. I see this and I wince with embarrassment. I for one am sick of 'terror' this and 'terror' that, one flavor fits everything. I watched the phone videos taken by hundreds of people during the London bombings, and the one stark thing I noticed, time and again, was that while the newscasters all over the world kept blathering about 'panic' and 'terror' and people running for their lives that the videos showed them to be liars. The people I saw running were more likely to be running TOWARD the attack, trying to help the injured. I saw phone videos of people stuck in the eerily quiet wreckage of darkened trains, helping those they could. I saw strangers comforting strangers, risking their own lives to help save others they'd never met before.

There's no terror in the skies or at the airport. There are only thousands of tired, frustrated people being made to adhere to silly, ineffectual 'security' measures designed solely to show that the authorities are 'doing something'. Does anyone really believe baby formula in a bottle could even remotely be a potential explosive?

You, and those in the media like you, do a terrible disservice to the general public, not only by using such specious headlines as 'Terror in the Skies!', fostering an undercurrent of fear, but you denigrate what is best and finest in human nature when ordinary people are called on to be heroes, and ARE heroes. Every day. Millions of us.

Stop doing this crap. Stop pandering to the lowest common denominator. Stop trying to boost ratings with flashy graphics and sound effects that are at best misleading and at worst plain lies.

Just report the news. Can you DO that anymore? Can you just simply report the news? Please?

Believe me, I'm not alone in wishing you would.

I'll let y'all know if I get an answer, but I'm not holding my breath...
nonny mouse | 08.13.06 - 10:19 am | #

If this was because of Lieberman, they would have busted these guys before the election. Not 3 days after...
Lefty | 08.13.06 - 10:44 am | #

It was 90 days before the election. To keep to the timetable, it had to be released. Now what little experiences does Karl and his Dick have for 60 and 30 days before?
mr.ed | 08.13.06 - 12:17 pm | #

All the newspapers that seem to be owned by right wing-nuts don't even blink when it comes to lying and covering up for the brainless Dumbya and his totally incompetent army of assholes in his cabinet.
Limp-Dick-Blimpaugh | 08.13.06 - 12:24 pm | #

So they were just listneing to a bunch of people who WANTED to do bad trhings but really didn't actually do any BAD THINGS yet?

Man I am SOOOO going to get a arrested for "impur thoughts" or "thinking incorrectly"...

Oh hello Big Brother, I didn't see you standing over my shoulder...
Krackonis | Homepage | 08.13.06 - 12:30 pm | #

Chimpy/Cheney "Perception Management" is on the march.
ImpeachTheChimp | 08.13.06 - 12:32 pm | #

I don't think you can scare the general public too much, as long as they are religious.

My grandparents had far too many children. They couldn't really afford to feed them, they lived in a tiny house where everyone was crammed together, there wasn't any heat except over a grate in one downstairs room ... but they kept having more kids. Why? because if they didn't, they'd be punished after they died. I mean, if you can convince people that they have to live uncomfortable, stressful lives in order to avoid hellfire and damnation after they're dead, you can pretty much convince people of anything. So what if these hyped-up terrorist attacks never materialize? These folks are still scared, just like they're still scared of hell and purgatory, even though there's never been any real evidence that anything like that will happen to them.
BTDT | 08.13.06 - 12:15 pm | #

Thats what Terrorists do... Scare people... Unfortuately the Terrorists are in Washington and Terrorizing there own people for political and religious reasons.

Not to mention those what are not SCARED, but actually GETTING IN THE WAY. and they are mowed down by the military.

And did you know setting up a countries government under occupation is just like Vichy France. Siding with the Nazi's they did. And went after the "freedom fighters" who were trying to stop the Germans....

What is so different in Iraq except you guys get ot play the Nazi's?
Krackonis | Homepage | 08.13.06 - 12:33 pm | #

I grow weary of the PROPAGANDA
IdahoMoe | 08.13.06 - 12:36 pm | #

If the timing of the bust was linked to politics, it's more likely it's connected to the public perception (finally) of Bush being weaker on security than Democrats. The Lieberman loss could've been the last straw for The Rove Corporation. Plus, Joe's still in the race so a bust like this could still boost the ratings of "conservatives" like him, thus the majority of Republicans.

I would REALLY like to see, not only for Bush, but for all Presidents, a chart showing correlations between low approval and seemingly external events that would seem to "positivize" the incumbent.
Brian Mac | 08.13.06 - 12:41 pm | #

I think you're on to something, Brian. They had clearly done some focus group work on how to deal with a Lamont win, and the "rushed" (?) arrests - and associated airport mahem - is better than any "code orange."
Ken | Homepage | 08.13.06 - 12:55 pm | #

today on during the 'sunday roundtable' part of ABCs This Week with George Stephanopoulos, George Will said something about how the 'paranoids in the blogosphere' are questioning the timing of the story. Apparently NBC is now considered part of the fringe blog-world. What a joke.
frankienose | 08.13.06 - 1:01 pm | #

when are the british going to stop kow towing to this despot?
i don't understand why they continue to support gwb2 and his adventures.
Jenny'O | 08.12.06 - 8:14 pm

I am sick to the teeth of Bliar, Reid and the Labour (neocon) Party of my country. We protest in our hundreds of thousands and are ignored. I was there in London walking among the many protesters of the illegal invasion of Iraq.

The current leaders of Britain do NOT represent the view of the British people, read British blogs and you'll soon see for yourself.

All this latest round of fear mongering will achieve is fewer Brits spending their money abroad this summer and I'm one of them. I was planning to go to the caribbean in September but there's no way I'm going through our airports now.
Not because I fear being blown up but because our airports are a nightmare and not worth the hassle.

Reid/Bliar et. al. will use this to further undermine our civil rights by (again) demanding 90 day detention - without access to lawyers or being told why you're under arrest - for 'terrorist' suspects. These bastards are loathed in my country!
British Gary | 08.13.06 - 1:29 pm | #

"I would REALLY like to see, not only for Bush, but for all Presidents, a chart showing correlations between low approval and seemingly external events that would seem to "positivist" the incumbent." Brian Mac

That would be a very interesting story. I think what you would see with Bush is an iron clad pattern: lower ratings = terrorist incident = ratings spike. Signature by Rove.

It reminds one of Pavlov's dog. However, this only works if the dog is hungry. What happens if the dog is stuffed from too many rings of the bell and a crammed stomach? Are we beginning to see that? Is the general pubic beginning to feel the pain of every time there's a terror alert they have to suffer (stomach pains)? Now you have to wait in long lines, give up your toothpaste and make-up, give up your Constitutional rights, etc.

Sometimes the bell can become a nuisance or irrelevant. We’ll see in November.
skyreader7 | 08.13.06 - 1:36 pm | #

Wake up my fellow humans! The obvious is right in your face, but you don't see it. Be prepared, for the neo-cons already have the next terror attack waiting in the wings right when your next victory seems imminent.

They will tell you not to believe your own common sense and judgement, they will fill you with deceit and make you feel afraid. Don't believe just because it's already happened, that it won't happen again, and most of you will fall for it. Most of you will. It's already been foretold.

They already have Osama tapes in the can, just waiting to release them at the right time. Bin-Laden himself may be allowed to re-appear in public to denounce the US and GB and further your fear factor.

Watch and see when a Democratic Presidential candidate looks like SHE will win, there will be a MAJOR terror attack to scare the American republic back into the fold of the Anti NEO-CHRIST.

Do not expect nor want them to change, for they can not. They are lost in the corruption of power. They believe they are doing GOD's work, but the if a work is not based on Love, caring for and giving to those less fortunate than you, how can it be GOD's work?

Trust no one but those that seek the LOVE of GOD, believe no one but your own common sense, pray for the redemption of mankind, as the beast that rules the world and controls the hearts and minds of many, has no soul and no pity for man.
-Nostradamus22
Nostradamus22 | 08.13.06 - 1:48 pm | #

I'll let y'all know if I get an answer, but I'm not holding my breath...
nonny mouse | 08.13.06 - 10:19 am

nonny, that's a superb letter. This is the problem we all face. Protesting our frustrations and dissatisfaction is so difficult while holding down full-time jobs/rearing kids/commuting etc.

When huge demonstrations are ignored by even the opposition parties (who have become no more than neocon-lite)aided by media apathy and deliberate right-wing lies, demonstrating and writing letters seems a waste of time due to demotivation.
Neverthless, we MUST keep up the pressure and writing the letters or silence will be reported by media whores as acknowledgement/support.
British Gary | 08.13.06 - 1:52 pm | #

No matter what the terrorist attack, I'm more afraid of Bush than the terrorists. Since I live in America who can cause me more pain? Bush, and that is exactly what he has done. I am terrorist immune. No foreign power or organization will take down American democracy. It will come from within. In the form of a dictator who will use fear to gain power. America wake up!
skyreader7 | 08.13.06 - 2:02 pm | #

TBR News.org...voice from the whitehouse has some interesting info. about the latest foiled terroist plot. Waynemadsenreport yesterday said Prince Charles is working with British lawmakers to oust Blair.
Kos banned Martha | 08.13.06 - 2:17 pm | #

No, unfortunately this is small potatos compared with what he has already gotten away with....though I don't believe in this case there was anything overtly nefarious about the timing.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 8:50 pm |

Even considering the ones on the right, including Kristol and Cheney, who have milked this for all they can???

Had there not been any arrests during the week of the election (in which it just so happens that an anti-war candidate who was virtualy a nobody beat a sitting senator), tying al Qaeda around Lamont's neck would have been extremely difficult if not impossible. Attempts at doing so a week after the election just wouldn't have had the same impact.
WC | 08.13.06 - 2:17 pm | #

It appears that the Brits didn't want to share information about the plot with the Bush regime too early because they thought that BushCo would leak it before they wrapped up the loose ends.
Snowball | Homepage | 08.12.06 - 10:15 pm |

What's that you say? Bushco leaking sensitive information related to the War on Terror? I thought that was the NY Times' job!

(sarcasm off)
WC | 08.13.06 - 2:19 pm | #

I've stated before that GWB-Rove hive brain used terror alerts before as political tools. (e.g. Financial Center scare) However in this particular investigation I don't see a conspiracy. The Bristish were the primary targets and investigators on this one.
redratio1 | 08.12.06 - 8:58 pm |

Which is exactly why the U.S. should have kept a hands-off approach and let them do their job. They wanted to get more evidence. The Brits had the suspected terrorists under surveillance, we had monitored at least 2 of their calls (by using warrants from FISA, I might add, which is somthing that up until now the Bush mis-administration has fought like crazy to avoid).

If we are doing as great a job as Bush has said we are with the War on Terror, we could have provided them with additional assistance in a heartbeat. It's highly unlikely the suspected terrorists would have gotten away with their plot had the Brits waited one more week.
WC | 08.13.06 - 2:30 pm | #

Thanks to George W. Bush and his stupidity all the terrorist will walk. No evidence to hold up in court as if they waited like the UK wanted but no our dumb as a door knob President just let them go scott free. Under the rules of law just having a thought or speaking about a plan isn't legal grounds for conviction as it is in the United States. Bush can invade, keep a person in jail for life and torture a person if Bush thinks he might be thinking of something in the future the UK doesn't have the kind of democracy or dictatorship. So to all on the blog you can thank George Bush for again letting terrorist go free. Yes Bush was on vacation still reading the same book My Pet Goat, he hasn't finished it yet.
Jackie Rawlings | 08.13.06 - 2:36 pm | #

Lemme guess the FBI KNEW the answer and thats why it was outed a week early . The FBI likely knew the UK would find the "Plot" to be bullsheeyot and thus outed the plot before the evidence shows to the contrary . It's easier to simply say they jumped the gun for security reasons , rather than wait for evidence .
If evidence shows there was no credible plot , the Repugs can't use the "plot" to brainwash religious asstards into voting for them .
StupidMechanic | 08.13.06 - 2:39 pm | #

Naw, you simply have to vote against these fools since they is no way beat down the terrorist threat
TR | 08.13.06 - 3:24 pm | #

If this was because of Lieberman, they would have busted these guys before the election. Not 3 days after...
Lefty | 08.13.06 - 10:44 am |

Nah. The polls were trending towards a Lamont win and the Repubs knew this. This time they waited until after the election...much better effect. Otherwise they couldn't have gone after Lamont with the zeal they've displayed thus far.
WC | 08.13.06 - 5:43 pm | #

Two words: Noor Khan.
Mugsy | Homepage | 08.13.06 - 10:39 pm | #

And we are all suprised because of WHY???

This story is just as meaningless as:
http://blog.bizarroland.net/inde...s-and-liberals/
Mr Slother | Homepage | 08.14.06 - 1:28 am | #

Disgusting. Could it be ANY more obvious that President Cheney pressured Blair and the Brits to make the OH MY GOD QUICK COVER IT 24/7 arrests to squash the Lamont victory surge?
John Clavis | 08.14.06 - 10:53 am | #

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