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Frist!
Astro | 11.12.05 - 5:34 pm | #

The way things sometimes end up, aren't all threads open threads?
D-day | 11.12.05 - 5:39 pm | #

Good point, D-day.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 5:42 pm | #

LOL Reading through most of these comments they do seem like they all are open. Well it gives us a great place to be heard :D

Jamie
http://intoxination.blogspot.com
Jamie | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 5:46 pm | #

I think open thread means we can START by being off-topic...
actor212 | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:01 pm | #

OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
D-day | 11.12.05 - 6:02 pm | #

I wish more people would stay on topic myself.
C&L | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:03 pm | #

C&L

actor212 | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:06 pm | #

Possible Motives Of The Bush Admistration - By Dr. David Ray Griffin

For 9/11...
Jon Gold | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:06 pm | #

I'll try C&L but sometimes it is REALLY hard.
D-day | 11.12.05 - 6:06 pm | #

thank you John!

I'm still here, lurking mostly. Can't stay away, you've just got the best blog in the 'sphere.
MzNicky | 11.12.05 - 6:09 pm | #

ty MZNicky,I try my best.
Rocky | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:10 pm | #

I know you do, doll.
MzNicky | 11.12.05 - 6:11 pm | #

Well...if those damn trolls would just stay on topic...
Korry | 11.12.05 - 6:11 pm | #

Oh no, dubya's lost it completely!

New on EWM: Bush: “Democrats Killed Jesus, Invented Disco and Drove Me to Drink”
"He’s trying to kill the messenger and the message at the same time."
The Muse | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:12 pm | #

Well...if those damn trolls would just stay on topic...
Korry

Precisely. We ought to have Rocky moderate each and every thread...
actor212 | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:15 pm | #

Prof. Jones Tallks to Arctic Beacon; Advised in for Whirlwind 9/11 Ride, after Claiming WTC Was a Controlled Demolition

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/arti...18131/ 37124.htm
The Professional | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:16 pm | #

kos' bill in portland maine shares a great leonard pitts' editorial that pulls no punches...

teaser...

"'We do not torture,' President Bush said on Monday. Never mind all those torture pictures from Abu Ghraib. Never mind all those torture stories from Guantanamo Bay. Never mind the 2002 Justice Department memo that sought to justify torture. Never mind reports of U.S. officials sending detainees to other countries for torture. Never mind Dick Cheney lobbying to exempt the CIA from rules prohibiting torture."

http://takeitpersonally.blogspot...u-going- to.html

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...11/12/16343/ 296
profmarcus | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:39 pm | #

20 Amazing Facts About
Voting in the USA

Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/ evo...2804landes.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold

2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.

http://www.commondreams.org/view...iew...s02/0916- 04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/ evo...2804landes.html

3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.

http:// www.americanfreepress.net...te_company.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/ evo...2804landes.html

4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/ 2...ain632436.shtml
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/sto...y.asp? S=1647886

5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

http://www.motherjones.com/comme.../03/ 03_200.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/ evo...04fitrakis.html

6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.

http://www.blackboxvoting.com/mo...=article& sid=26
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012...2903/ hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/...ives/ 000896.php

7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.

http://www.businessweek.com/2000...28/ b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/ storie...ew_hagel27.html

8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

http://www.essvote.com/HTML/abou...bout/ about.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/ evo...2804landes.html

9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

http://www.commondreams.org/view...iew...s04/0225- 05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987...es/ pfindex.html

10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

http://www.commondreams.org/view...iew...s04/0225- 05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions...ons/ default.htm

11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/a...nce/ default.htm

12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/ ...5,61640,00.html
http://portland.indymedia.org/en...10/ 301469.shtml

13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of Global Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/sto...0312/ S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/ Hackt...voteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bb...bb...v_chapter- 8.pdf

14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

http://www.chuckherrin.com/ Hackt...voteFAQ.htm#how
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bb...bb...v_chapter- 8.pdf

15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

http://www.globalexchange.org/up...org/up...press/ 2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/ editions...loc_elexoh.html

16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter...baxterVPR.mov.)

http://wired.com/news/evote/ 0,26...5,63298,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190

17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/ 2...ain632436.shtml

18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/ ...5,65757,00.html
http://www.yuricareport.com/ Elec...esBushIsOut.htm
http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/module...article& sid=950
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/sto...0411/ S00227.htm

19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/t...cal/ 7628725.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...- 2004Oct29.html

20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.

http://www.yuricareport.com/ Elec...esBushIsOut.htm
http://www.computerworld.com/ gov...1,97614,00.html
http:// www.americanfreepress.net..._thousands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/head...ead...s04/1106- 30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/20...004/ 110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/
Falalala | 11.12.05 - 6:47 pm | #

Come back Monica.

All is forgiven.

Don't you wish this was just about blowjobs and blue dresses and not the deaths of 10 of 1000s?

I do.
Don | 11.12.05 - 6:51 pm | #

Isn't it odd how similar Rathergate and the Niger docs are? Obviously flawed. An insistance they were valid. And who did both these forgeries benefit?
Ex-repub | 11.12.05 - 6:54 pm | #

Sorry about the links...
20 Amazing Facts About
Voting in the USA
Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/ evo...2804landes.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold

2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.
http://www.commondreams.org/view...s02/0916- 04.htm
http://www.onlinejournal.com/ evo...2804landes.html

3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.
http:// www.americanfreepress.net...te_company.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/ evo...2804landes.html

4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/ 2...ain632436.shtml
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/sto...y.asp? S=1647886

5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.
http://www.motherjones.com/comme.../03/ 03_200.html
http://www.onlinejournal.com/ evo...04fitrakis.html

6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/mo...=article& sid=26
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012...2903/ hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/...ives/ 000896.php

7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000...28/ b3689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/ storie...ew_hagel27.html

Way too long....

Edited By Siteowner
Falalala | 11.12.05 - 6:55 pm | #

Falalala:

Sweet post, but check some of the links.
The Professional | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:57 pm | #

Hey, American right wingers, you just keep trying to convince yourself and the world that you're the good guys. 80% of the people in the world know who the bad guys are now, just as they knew in the 1930's.

The good guys (and that doesn't mean perfect) don't have to constantly and thoroughly dupe their citizens with lies.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 6:58 pm | #

Holy shit, just got back from a peak at Newshounds. I wanted to see Fox's take on BO's bullshit. If you think the trolls here are bad, you ain't seen nothing. The NH trolls are even angrier and dumber than Billy Joe Bob or Batty after a complete lobotomy. Yikes. Try reading the hate mail for a great although disturbing laugh. As for me, I need a long soak in betadine.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 6:59 pm | #

American presidents don’t lie all the time. Theodore Roosevelt put it clearly in 1897 when he wrote, “I should welcome almost any war, for I think this country needs one.”
Because while the mice are at war, the cats are at play.

As time goes by
by Chico Llave

http://manila.perthimc.asn.au/in...& parentview=371

(snip)

In 1946, a long sword secretly sneered as he returned to West Germany in 1946 with a neat mandate to rebuild an espionage organization. It was a fair deal. Dulles and the CIA heard what they wanted to hear from Gehlen’s Org (half of which was bullocks), while Gehlen was able to set up a Post-Nazi Employment Office, which recycled thousands of non-biodegradable ex-Gestapo, Wermacht and SS veterans into “fighters for the free world,” including the likes of Klaus Barbie - the Butcher of Lyon, and Emil Augsburg, the Nazi officer of the infamous Wannsee Institute, an SS think tank which planned the Final Solution. The same Augsburg wanted by Poland for war crimes who was described by the CIA in 1952 as “Honest and idealist … enjoys good food and wine … unprejudiced mind.”

1942: A good year for family values. Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the US government orders the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City, which were being directed by Prescott Bush.
Shucks, Grandpa.

Grandpa was the chief financial officer of Dresser Industries, which supplied oil-related equipment to the Rockefeller Standard Oil. Gramps was also a director of Nazi-front company Hamburg-Amerika Line, whose chairman Emil Helfferich, was also the chairman of the Standard Oil’s German subsidiaries. One of Hamburg-Amerika’s partners is I.G. Farben, the German industrial giant which produced Zyklon B, the poison gas used to murder Jews, Gypsies and Russians . IG Farben also built and operated more than forty concentration camps, including Auschwitz.

World War II was an interesting time. “Ford trucks were being built for German occupation troops in France with authorization from Dearborn, Michigan” while the head of the international American telephone conglomerate ITT “was flying from New York to Madrid to Berne to help improve Hitler's communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London.”

When it was revealed at the conclusion of World War II that I.G. Farben owned thirty percent of Standard Oil stock, a man by the name of Allen Dulles was hired by Standard Oil to represent it before the US Congress and the Federal Court. I.G. Farben was later split up by the Allies at the end of the war into different companies, one of which was a firm called Bayer – which happens to have interesting links with the Carlyle Group, where the Bush family happens to be a major player and which also has just as interesting business ties with a family called the Bin Ladens (and which counts as a member a certain Philippine president by the name of Fidel V. Ramos).

All together now … “You must remember this, the thief is still a
thief, a lie is still a lie, the fundamental things apply as time goes by
...”

gotta remember who we're dealing with, where did saddam get his weapons of mass destruction in the first place ?? hum ??

don't forget who NOW owns dresser industries: halliburton

oh, on an unrelated note, remember bush's state of the union speaches where he keeps blabbering on about asbestos lawsuit reform ??

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handb...es/DD/ dod4.html
tofubo | 11.12.05 - 7:02 pm | #

For a detailed and fully documented chronology of Plamegate and the Niger Documents Forgery Scam, try here.
Jak King | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 7:16 pm | #

Does anyone know why the video site
canofun.com is no longer available?

They had all the current political
clips and more. Have been trying to enter their site for two days, without success. Keep getting the message that their server is down.
Canadian Observer | 11.12.05 - 7:19 pm | #

To another topic that was discussed in another thread last night...

This link worked last evening and is an extremely damning video of Bush at the Monday evening Kilgore rally and then getting off Air Force One with Laura. HE IS DRUNK IN THE VIDEO. Period. I have been around enough drunk people in my life to know what drunk is...

Now....the website is completely down and noone seems to be able to come up with the video. How can that be? I'm not tech savvy enough to know how to do whatever...but surely SOMEONE out there has a copy of the video. I think the first part was from some Virginia TV stations...showing highlihgts of the rally.

Here is the original link:

http://www.canofun.com/blog/ vide...bushdrunkie.wmv

Someone? Anyone? By the way...I love this blog! Thank you for letting me mostly stand in the shadows and read...
Ohagi | 11.12.05 - 7:23 pm | #

Canadian Observer...

Seems you and I were posting about the same thing at the same time. You say you haven't been able to access the site in two days. I saw the video last evening and copied and pasted it to an email that I sent to my mailing list. By the time I got back to look at it again and to see if I could somehow save it to my computer...it was GONE...just gone....
Ohagi | 11.12.05 - 7:28 pm | #

A Wall Street Journal poll says 69% of the country believes Cheney is responsible for Plamegate!!!!

The Bushies are toast.

dionysus | 11.12.05 - 7:35 pm | #

I would SO love to see that "drunk Bush" rally. HELP!
digit | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 7:38 pm | #

http://www.wsws.org/

That's all...
FarLeftRage | 11.12.05 - 7:49 pm | #

Ohagi, honey. C&L is the most welcoming place on the net. So just swig back a shot and post away. I love reading the posts here. It makes me feel like there is a last resort of sanity and reason somewhere on the planet and that I'm not alone on Bush/bizarro world.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 7:55 pm | #

Update: Newsweek has new approval Bush poll, a new low: 36%.

Bush is politically dying....

Impeach the rat.
James | 11.12.05 - 7:56 pm | #

Look at this advertisement on the Novak column at TownHall. Are they trying to be subtle??? They put the Giuliani for President ad right under the headline "Dean VS the Italians". These guys have no shame.

http://townhall.com/opinion/colu.../12/ 175201.html
Not Dick but Richard | 11.12.05 - 8:03 pm | #

GOP memo touts new terror attack as way to reverse party's decline:

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/ a...icle_7639.shtml
K | 11.12.05 - 8:11 pm | #

In the interests of national security, we have shut down the propoganda organ for the axis of evil, canofun.com. Its proprietors and staff have been extraordinarily renditioned to a special CIA base, which does not exist, where torture is not practiced.

Keep posting; we are coming for you soon.
Alberto Gonzalez, AG | 11.12.05 - 8:11 pm | #

let's hear it for "national sacrifice zones" yeah !!

http://www.google.com/search?sou...rifice+zones% 22
tofubo | 11.12.05 - 8:14 pm | #

"A huge honking coincidence, despite what the 9-11 tinfoil hatters say..."
-actor212

I guess all the engineers, physicists, demolition experts, explosive experts, former intelligence agents, foreign relations experts, economic experts, former military officers, and various other government personnel/scientists/high-functioning analytical intellects are all running around in little tin-foil hats too, huh?

"When I tell any truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
--William Blake
9/11=USA's Reichstag | 11.12.05 - 7:46 pm | #

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but 9/11=USA's Reichstag ,actor212 is an out of work thespian and freelance blogger, so of course he knows more than all the engineers, physicists, demolition experts, explosive experts, former intelligence agents, foreign relations experts, economic experts, former military officers, and various other government personnel/scientists/high-functioning analytical intellects that question 9/11.BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, poor old actor, stuck with his head up his ass.
why bother? | 11.12.05 - 7:52 pm | #
. | 11.12.05 - 8:18 pm | #

Professor Steven Earl Jones(the latest person to come out and claim that explosives were most likely used in the WTC,indicating an inside job element to the attacks)

Full Professor
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84602

BIOGRAPHICAL:
Birthdate: 25 March 1949
Citizenship: USA

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
Graduated from Bellevue High School, Bellevue, Washington, with 4.0 scholastic average (A=4.0) in 1967.

B.S. in Physics, Mathematics minor, magna cum laude with honors, from Brigham Young University in 1973, retaining Presidential (David O. McKay) Scholarship.

Ph.D. in Physics, Mathematics/Electronics minors from Vanderbilt University in 1978, retaining full Tuition Scholarship and Research Fellowship (1973-197.

Ph.D. research conducted at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center (1974-1977); course work completed at Stanford University.

Post-doctoral research conducted at Cornell University (CESR) and the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility.

Conducted research at the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory, EG & G Idaho, Idaho Falls, 1979-1985 (Senior Engineering Specialist).

Principal Investigator for experimental muon-catalyzed fusion 1982-1991 for the U.S. Department of Energy, Division of Advanced Energy Projects.

Spokesman for LAMPF Experiment #727 and co-spokesman for LAMPF Experiments #963 and #1151 (1982 - 1993).

Collaborator in several other experiments, including experiments at TRIUMF (Vancouver, Canada), The National High Energy Laboratory, KEK (Tsukuba, Japan), Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory (Oxford, U.K.), and Kamioka, Japan.

Associate Director, Brigham Young University Center for Fusion Studies, 1989-1994

Search for fusion in condensed matter and deuterium, research for U.S. Department of Energy (May 1986 - December 1991) and for the Electric Power Research Institute (April 1990-June 1993).

AWARDS
David O. McKay Scholarship at Brigham Young University, 1968
National Merit Scholar, 1968
Tuition Scholarship and Research Fellowship at Vanderbilt
University, 1973-1978
Outstanding Young Scholar Award (BYU), 1989
Best of What's New for 1989 (Popular Science), 1989
Creativity Prize (Japanese Creativity Society), 1989
BYU Young Scholar Award (BYU), 1990
Annual Lecturer BYU Chapter of Sigma Xi (1990-1991)

now lets look at actor212's credentials:out of work,47 year old thespian who blindly trusts the corporate media and corrupt government and spends a large amount of time bashing people on blogs that dont agree with him.
now you tell me who you are more likely to believe.
simple logic indeed | 11.11.05 - 7:40 pm | #.
. | 11.12.05 - 8:19 pm | #

Strawberrybitch -- Your imbecilic posts are so mind numbing that drinking novicane would wake the dead! Are you taking steroids, again?
Batman | 11.12.05 - 8:20 pm | #

did this ever happen ??

http://bellaciao.org/en/ article....id_article=3323
tofubo | 11.12.05 - 8:22 pm | #

YAY! Bat-ster's back!
Olio | 11.12.05 - 8:22 pm | #

Ever heard of P2OG??? Is this for real?

http://www.alternet.org/waronira.../11/ 000092.html
K | 11.12.05 - 8:22 pm | #

Bat guano,

We're coming for you, too.

You're an embarassment to the integrity and honesty of this Administration.
Alberto Gonzalez, AG | 11.12.05 - 8:24 pm | #

Yeah, 'cause putting quotes from a suck-ass, bottom-of-the-barrel TV show like Buffy, is, like, SO hilarious...

Oh my god! It's like, TOTALLY funny, because it's from a crap show on TV and, like, lowest common denominator and stuff, and we can all idiots can relate to it! You know?
Olio | 11.12.05 - 8:16 pm | #

You are so right Olio. That's the Democrats' idea of being funny...

Punk-ass democrat motherfuckers
The Crab | 11.12.05 - 8:27 pm | #

i'm just glad we also don't have to to worry about this:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/art...es/ MOR407A.html
tofubo | 11.12.05 - 8:28 pm | #

Oh Batty, I know you want to fuck the hell out of me, but I'm just too tired raising three children and training three hours a day. PS, if I were doing gear, I wouldn't be so nice to you right now.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 8:28 pm | #

Thanks, Strawberry, for the welcome!

I'm sure I will soon feel comfortable enough to speak out more often. I'm extremely vocal and active in my 'real life'...but have only very recently started blogging. I think I'm a little overwhelmed at the number of sites and the sheer...AMOUNT OF INFORMATION.

I agree that I do like C&L more than most. At least most of you *appear* to be half-way bright. I have tried to follow some of the 'BlogsforBush' and 'Free Republic' blogs; and to be honest with you, I've never seen such boring bullshit in my life! Are there no bright, entertaining, thought-provoking conversations going on on the other side of the aisle?

Duh! That would undoubtably be one of those oxymoron things....
Ohagi | 11.12.05 - 8:30 pm | #

You have 3 children you say?

Your pissflaps must be reaching your knees...
The Crab | 11.12.05 - 8:31 pm | #

Digit try

www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6622.htm
Canadian Lurker | 11.12.05 - 8:32 pm | #

The trolls are out in force. It's the End Time—for THEM. They're everywhere! They're everywhere!

Batten down the hatches, comrades! Rocky can't (and shouldn't have to) do it all on his own!
MzNicky | 11.12.05 - 8:32 pm | #

PS -- DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!
MzNicky | 11.12.05 - 8:33 pm | #

Uh, crabby, you don't work out much, do you? I just turned 38 this summer and I still get carded. Exercise and clean eating keeps you young.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 8:35 pm | #

Ohagi, stick by me and I'll keep you covered. The woods are thick with trolls.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 8:37 pm | #

How do you exercise?

By hanging weights from your pissflaps and doing sit-ups?
The Crab | 11.12.05 - 8:37 pm | #

Capitol Hill Blue/DOUG THOMPSON | November 12 2005

Comment: This document adds to the mountanous pile of smoking gun evidence of government complicity in staged terror attacks and other false flag operations. It has now been declassified, as we already knew, that the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. It was staged to get us into Vietnam. Operation Northwoods was the official US government plan to carry out 9/11 style attacks against the American people and blame it on foreign enemies as a pretext for war.

Read below as governmental leaders salivate over how wonderful a devastating terror attack would be against the American people for their policies, it would force us to accept total enslavement. It goes on to talk about our sorrow and pain and how it could be directed. I've been reading Capitol Hill Blue for years and they are one of the most impeccable sources we have found.

Publicly published PNAC documents before 9/11 had saliva stains all over them as Dick Cheney and others talked about helpful Pearl Harbor attacks. Prison Planet.com recently interviewed Conservative leader Paul Craig Roberts and he stated that we're in real danger of the Bush administration staging terror attacks to defiblrilate their agenda.

---------------------------------

A confidential memo circulating among senior Republican leaders suggests that a new attack by terrorists on U.S. soil could reverse the sagging fortunes of President George W. Bush as well as the GOP and "restore his image as a leader of the American people."

The closely-guarded memo lays out a list of scenarios to bring the Republican party back from the political brink, including a devastating attack by terrorists that could “validate” the President’s war on terror and allow Bush to “unite the country” in a “time of national shock and sorrow.”

The memo says such a reversal in the President's fortunes could keep the party from losing control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections.

GOP insiders who have seen the memo admit it’s a risky strategy and point out that such scenarios are “blue sky thinking” that often occurs in political planning sessions.

“The President’s popularity was at an all-time high following the 9/11 attacks,” admits one aide. “Americans band together at a time of crisis.”

Other Republicans, however, worry that such a scenario carries high risk, pointing out that an attack might suggest the President has not done enough to protect the country.

“We also have to face the fact that many Americans no longer trust the President,” says a longtime GOP strategist. “That makes it harder for him to become a rallying point.”

The memo outlines other scenarios, including:

--Capture of Osama bin Laden (or proof that he is dead);

--A drastic turnaround in the economy;

--A "successful resolution" of the Iraq war.

GOP memos no longer talk of “victory” in Iraq but use the term “successful resolution.”.
uh oh | 11.12.05 - 8:40 pm | #

Crab,

You remind me of Dith. Are you sure you're old enough to be here? I think it's time you took your Ovaltine and your Ritalin and let your mommy tuck you in for the night.
old lib | 11.12.05 - 8:41 pm | #

Are there no bright, entertaining, thought-provoking conversations going on on the other side of the aisle?

No, there aren't. All the ones with any brains at all have moved to the left, or are in the middle.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 8:41 pm | #

I still have the video on my hard drive but I don't have a website to post it on. And it still works.
elroy | 11.12.05 - 8:42 pm | #

Compassionate Conservatism"
George Bush was spending some time at his ranch in Crawford, Texas. One afternoon, he was riding in the back of his official limousine when he saw two men eating grass by the roadside. He ordered his driver to stop and he got out to investigate. "Why are you eating grass?" he asked one man..

"We don't have any money for food," the poor man replied.

"Oh, well, you can come with me to my ranch," instructed the president.

"But, sir, I have a wife and two children with me!"

"Bring them along!" replied the president. He turned to the other man and said "You come with us, too".

"But, sir, I have a wife and six children!" the second man answered.

"Bring them as well," answered Bush as he headed for his limo. They all climbed in, which was no easy task, even for a car as large as the limousine.

Once underway, one of the poor fellows said, "Sir, you are too kind. Thank you for taking all of us with you."

Bush replied, "Glad to do it. You'll love my place... the grass is almost a foot tall!"

Sent in by Lisa Miller

This is one of many jokes found here:
http://www.allhatnocattle.net/index.htm
stoppit | 11.12.05 - 8:43 pm | #

uh oh,

Thanks for the info, but somebody posted a link earlier...there's really no need to cut and paste the whole article. Those of us who want to read it will find it, I'm sure.

John prefers that we don't post long articles; it does turn some people off.
old lib | 11.12.05 - 8:44 pm | #

email it (the bush is drunk vid) to c&l?
me | 11.12.05 - 8:46 pm | #

please?
me | 11.12.05 - 8:47 pm | #

I just wanted to say hello to the thoughtful, intelligent folks here at C&L.

I am ignoring the other ones!
Jacqrat | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 8:47 pm | #

ok
pardons
stoppit | 11.12.05 - 8:48 pm | #

No, there aren't. All the ones with any brains at all have moved to the left, or are in the middle.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 8:41 pm | #

Korry, you belong on the left side. That's the losers side. It fits you well. Maybe you and Strawberrybitch can hookup and have a estrogen party. You know, the one that requires batteries.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 8:49 pm | #

Strawberrybitch: Email us your picture. The address is www.ishotmyself.com.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 8:51 pm | #

I sent the clip. Now I will have the Bushco Police at my door. Maybe they will just go away if I don't answer their knock.
elroy | 11.12.05 - 8:51 pm | #

Flap, flap, flap...

I will hearby refer to you as "Dumbo", and it won't be because of your ears...
The Crab | 11.12.05 - 8:51 pm | #

Wow, crabby, you must either be Ian-Billy-batman-richard or who the fuck else or you're new here. NOT. I bodybuild and powerlift ya little repug, no balls, pastey karl rove look-a-like. You do not want to know me. I enjoy watching peoples' expression when I walk into a room,the only guys not afraid of me are other bodybuilders or actor212. He scares even me.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 8:52 pm | #

thanks old lib. got any other complaints?
uh oh | 11.12.05 - 8:53 pm | #

These repugnant trolls atre just like their counterparts in the Bush administration, only worse. Nothing well thought out,
Anonymous | 11.12.05 - 8:54 pm | #

I am actually quite intimidated by the sight of your pissflaps as you drag them across the gym floor, Dumbo
The Crab | 11.12.05 - 8:54 pm | #

did you really think you can delet me...I laugh at you.

YOU ARE RACIST!

yea i cut and past it whats it to ya you rats. my father was in Vietnam and he has bad flash backs from it. he dosnt like to talk about it so i dont asked about it. all i know is he says it was hell.

the rats are running. i love it.

interview with ted kennedy and how he lies..RATS!

But, Senator, what the Democrats stood for on the floor of the Senate in 2002--let me show you who said what I just read: John Kerry, your candidate for president. He was talking about a nuclear threat from Saddam Hussein. Hillary Clinton voted for the war. John Edwards, Joe Lieberman, John Kerry. Democrats said the same things about Saddam Hussein. You, yourself, said, "Saddam is dangerous. He's got dangerous weapons." It wasn't just the Bush White House.

Has the whole left of the aisle forgotten that the CIA was run by George Tenant Clinton appointee and Democrat? I am stunned that they can even get this **** out of their mouth.

Bill Clinton had dodged the draft during the Vietnam War and used marijuana, which he claimed he had smoked, but "didn't inhale." A classic lie. i wonder if he was that dumb to tell the police that if he got pulled over. cheach,chong, and bill clinton. "i smoked it but did not inhale" i had sex with Monica Lewinsky but what happend was i fell down and my dick got stuck. it was an accident...LOL!
Clinton was the second U.S. president to be impeached by the House of Representatives.Clinton initially denied having any improper relationship with Lewinsky, but later admitted that it had in fact taken place. He apologized to the nation for his actions. RATS LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

a failed attempt to create a comprehensive health care system under a plan developed by the First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton.In the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks, the independent investigating commission was critical of Clinton for focusing more on diplomatic than military means to eliminate the bin Laden threat.

In addition to impeachment and the Whitewater scandal, the Clinton White House was the subject of many scandals. Travelgate refers to the firing of White House travel office staffers allegedly to give business to Clinton's cousin and utilize the plane of Harry Thomason. Filegate refers to White House handling of hundreds of personnel files from individuals without asking for their permission. The White House explanation was that it was merely a "bureaucratic snafu." Chinagate involved Democrats accepting improper campaign contributions; allegedly the ultimate source of this money was the Chinese government. Pardongate refers to a grant of clemency to FALN members in 1999 and pardons to his brother and others in 2001 (see Clinton's Pardons List). In March, 1998 Kathleen Willey, a White House aide, alleged that Clinton had sexually assaulted her. Also in 1998, Juanita Broaddrick alleged that Clinton had raped her in 1978. Secretary of Agriculture Mike Espy was acquitted on each of 30 charges of illegally accepting gifts such as sports tickets, lodging, and transportation from companies regulated by his department in exchange for favors. Sounds like mr clinton was more on the lines of one horney rat even knowing he is married. MORE LIES FROM THE RATS!

HUD Secretary Henry Cisneros pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for misstating to the FBI the amount of money he gave his girlfriend.Clinton friend and confidant Vince Foster is found dead of a gunshot wound; later determined to be suicide. sounds like they toke hime out because he know to much.

this man is crazy!

Former President Bill Clinton said that he supports the efforts of Louis Farrakhan and the Million More March.
Clinton said that the gathering - formally announced last week by Minister Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Al Sharpton, and Rev. Jesse L. Jackson - could train a positive spotlight on critical issues impacting African Americans.When will Clinton? And when will the ADL have the guts to condemn/criticize/confront an ex-president who is now an enabler of the pied piper of racism and anti-Semitism?Despite repeated calls to the Anti-Defamation League’s press office over several days, I couldn’t get any one to talk to me about Clinton’s endorsement of Farrakhan’s march and, by extension, of Farrakhan.
With Clinton standing proudly at his side, perhaps Farrakhan will elucidate some of the other esoteric aspects of his theology - how the white race is the result of a genetic experiment by an evil black scientist, named Yacub, 6,000 years ago. Or how the minister was taken up to a UFO "mothership" where he got the inspiration for the original Million Man March. (Beam him up, Adolph.)

Farrakhan is an uber-bigot. Clinton is a boob. The ADL is a pathetic fraud. The next time you hear Foxman wailing and rending his garments over anti-Semitism, remember how Clinton’s TLC for the Nation of Islam got a free pass from the ADL.

so to some this all up about CLINTON and the domcratic party. THEY ARE RACIST AGAINST WHITES, THEY MURDER,THEY RAPE,THEY STEAL.AND HAND OUT FREE PASS TO RACISM AGAINST WHITES! WHAT A WIGGER! AND THE RATS!

Bill clinton smoking pot on the wall waiting for the mother ship!
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 8:55 pm | #

Dude, ya know, I'm laughing at you. My 12 year old son is laughing at you, too. Piss Flaps? OK dude, ya got me. I'm so hurt. Oh, help, C&L, this evil troll hurt my feelings!!!!! WWWWAAAAHHHHH. OK. I'm going to go fuck the hell out of my 310lbs. 7 percent body fat boyfriend. He loves it when I'm on top. He's laughing too. But he doesn't think you're worth the effort either.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 9:00 pm | #

thanks old lib. got any other complaints?
uh oh | 11.12.05 - 8:53 pm | #

uh oh,

Nothing other than the fact that Bat guano, BillyB, and now Crab are still a bunch of chickenshit chickenhawks and won't enlist even though I posted a link the other night to the Army recruiting website.
old lib | 11.12.05 - 9:02 pm | #

Whiteman... you are an idiot..

--patrick
Patrick Broadfoot | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 9:02 pm | #

NY times reports the White House is trying to use A LAPTOP COMPUTER (yes you read that right) as evidence of Iran's nuclear intensions.

http://nytimes.com/2005/11/13/ in...agewanted=print

Putting data on a laptop computer has got to be the easiest forgery imaginable. I think you could rig a monkey up to do that, similar to the diebold machines.

Please get this story out. They are using more questionable evidence ON A MUCH MORE IMPORTANT matter.
Ex-repub | 11.12.05 - 9:03 pm | #

Strawberrybitch -- Are you really 310 lbs.? WoW! What wouldn't I give to have a pinup poster of you! C'mon sweetness, post your pic on ishotmyself.com! It's where people, mostly females, take a camera and do their own photo shoots. Try it! You might like it and who know, you might even become famous!
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:04 pm | #

"Deal, chocolate animal woman."

- Ling-Ling
Captain Awesome | 11.12.05 - 9:04 pm | #

wow white man is still on the clinton bashing stick.

do we have any proof yet - or is he still just rambling with his finger up his W tatooed ass.
sockmonkey | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 9:04 pm | #

Old Lib, you're the idiot chickenhawk. I'm probably older than you are.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:05 pm | #

Is the true? It couldn't be true

tp://forgetfullibs.blogspot.com/
NYTreader | 11.12.05 - 9:06 pm | #

You go, Strawberrybitch! My boyfriend is an Algerian/Italian British born ex-pat, who would embarass these white boys beyond belief.

I'm sure some of these trolls totally understand the need for some women to use appliances and batteries. There's not other way for the women in their lives to get aroused, I'm sure.

As for myself, the only thing I need batteries for is my wireless mouse and my digital camera.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:08 pm | #

Batty, why are you so obsessed with me? No. I'm not going to fuck you. Dude. I'd kill you. There's nothing more unattractive then having a guy say " Honey, you're crushing me!" while I cum.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 9:08 pm | #

Bat guano,

I'm 57, and I served my country in the land of bad things.
old lib | 11.12.05 - 9:08 pm | #

Uh yeah, you do that.

And don't forget to feed your 3 punk-ass kids with the benefits you grab out of honest taxpayers' money, stupid-ass skank...
The Crab | 11.12.05 - 9:09 pm | #

@ whiteman

Get your facts straight!!!:

http://contentoverpresentation.b...- terrorism.html

One example:
January 2001: Outgoing Clinton officials say "The Bush team thinks we're obsessed with terrorism".
K | 11.12.05 - 9:09 pm | #

yoiu can try to ban me until your blue in the face but its not going to happen. IAM SMARTER THEN YOU! SON!
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 9:09 pm | #

Yep, Strawberry...I have to say that reading what some of the trolls have to say is extremely entertaining. I have trouble believing that some of them are real, however! And, I agree that for the most part, they should just be ignored. It's hard to do but; we truly have to pick our fights.

I believe that the mentality of most of the 25-30% core Shrub base is not that of people able to truly engage in logical/rational give and take. They, for the most part, are told how to think by their religious leader...much as the Muslim masses are told how to think by their religious leaders. There is really not that much difference, you know?

These folks basically go to church and their pastors/ministers/priests/ tell them that Shrub is God's man in the White House and that they should support him. So they do. Period. End of story. No argument, logical or nonsensical, would make them deviate from the talking points. It's a matter of 'faith' for them.

That's why, in my opinion, the big issue is two fold.

1) We MUST fix our voting. There is NO EXCUSE for the screw ups that have taken place and continue to take place without any accountability. I know the argument has been put out there that it's all tied up in corruption and politics and Ohio and I do not doubt that. However..the point is...we have to focus on that. Until the corrput, corporate criminals that control our 3 BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT are stopped....it won't matter who votes or how they vote.

2) We MUST convince more progressive/liberal/left wing/smart/Christian/Muslim/Jew/ middleoftheroaders/veterans/peaceniks/..
everyone....EVERYONE...that voting is the only way this form of democracy works.

IMNTBHO...the reason it's not working is because we have allowed a very vocal, VOTING minority to write the agenda. The reason for this is that the evangelicals have a MUCH better voting record than does any constituency that would tend to vote progressive/liberal.

Ok...well...Now aren't you sorry you welcomed me, Strawberry? That's my Saturday night sermon for the week. You may go back to whatever you were doing, boys and girls!
Ohagi | 11.12.05 - 9:10 pm | #

An Algerian/Italian British born naturalized US citizen who is currently serving this country in the US Army, btw.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:10 pm | #

Ugh, no intelligent conversation to be found on this thread.
RR | 11.12.05 - 9:11 pm | #

The owner of C&L is a good title indeed. It supports the democratic party of CROOKS AND LIARS!

Bane me but its freedom of speach!
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 9:11 pm | #

Freedom of speech is a public freedom. It doesn't apply to private domains, private homes, and the like. I could throw you out of my house for being an ignorant racist, too.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:13 pm | #

Crabby, my sons, (the twins are autistic) go to a private school. We are ex military. Their father reenlisted for Iraq, that's why I left him. He's still there getting his ass blown off. I got tired of explaining why daddy kept missing their birthdays. 12 years of raising 3 kids alone gets old real fast.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 9:14 pm | #

Strawberry, you owe no explanations to that vulgar little troll.
RR | 11.12.05 - 9:15 pm | #

Boo-hoo!
The Crab | 11.12.05 - 9:16 pm | #

This is what iam talking about !!!!!

(The democratic Media Double Standard)

Perazzo shows that the news media try to cover up the fact that many black attacks on whites are motivated by racial hatred. The murder of six and wounding of 17 passengers on a Long Island train by Colin Ferguson on Dec. 7, 1993, is a notable example. Perazzo writes: "While all local news broadcasts that evening led with this story, and every New York newspaper gave it front-page headlines the following day, not a single report mentioned the gunman's skin color. Clothing color, however, was somehow deemed newsworthy by the New York Times, which provided the media's most detailed description of the shooter as 'a husky-looking man dressed in white....Ferguson openly acknowledged that he had acted for purely racial reasons. (This) forced the media to report...not only that the gunman was black, but that every one of his victims was either white or Asian.'"

There were no reports on the literature found in Ferguson's room, and despite his admission of his motive, a New York Times editorial said, "The usual imperative of those who would contemplate an event like (the) Long Island Rail Road massacre is to 'make sense' of it. While the wish is reasonable, no more sense can be made of such a thing than of a typhoon or cyclone. Forget the gunman's declared motive of racial hatred: when someone with a semiautomatic weapon starts perforating citizens en masse, the question of motive evaporates."

Perazzo points out that no such analysis was made of the motive in "any instance of white-on-black crime in memory." He says that in those cases, "civil rights leaders and social commentators were virtually unanimous in attributing the perpetrators' violence to racism. Colin Ferguson was, for the most part, exempted from such charges; the slaughter he engineered was widely accepted as the bitter fruit of a crazed man's mental imbalance." The most important lesson the major media found in this case was that handguns are the problem, not antiwhite racism. The media gave more attention to Ferguson's gun than to the ideas that had been planted in his head by influential blacks, helping fuel the drive for stronger gun control.

The contrast between the media coverage of this and other black-on-white murders and white-on-black murders is mind-boggling. Typically, in the black-on-white cases there is little or no national coverage of the story. If it is covered, the race of the killer is reported belatedly, if at all, and there is little or no investigation of whether or not he hates whites. If there is such evidence, the authorities try to keep it under wraps and the media refrain from doing their own investigations. These stories have no legs. They generate no public outrage and are soon forgotten. That, of course, is the objective of both the authorities and the media.

The white-on-black murders get exactly the opposite treatment. They get heavy coverage in the print and electronic media. The racial views of the perpetrators are investigated. If they are found to have a record of being antiblack, that becomes the story. It may become the story even if there no evidence to support it. The memory of the crimes are kept alive for years, and some of them even get into the history books. They generate outrage on the part of both whites and blacks, and they are added to the arsenals of those who are striving to inflame racial hatred against whites.

Howard Beach: White On Black

The death of a 23-year-old black named Michael Griffiths on Dec. 19, 1986 in the white, middle-class community of Howard Beach in Queens, New York illustrates this contrast. Perazzo devotes five pages in his book to what happened there and the aftermath. This is a brief summary.

Griffiths and two friends had car trouble and went to Howard Beach to make a phone call. They were accosted by a dozen white teenagers who shouted racial epithets and attacked them with a baseball bat and tree limbs after one of the blacks flashed a knife and returned their racial insults. One of them ran off after being hit in the head with a bat. Griffiths and the other victim were badly beaten, but they managed to escape. Griffiths ran onto a parkway, was hit by a car and killed.

This Perazzo writes: "The public clamor over this incident was deafening, the media coverage immense....Newspapers, magazines and broadcast stations across the nation examined the attack in extraordinary depth...." Demonstrations erupted, resulting in more news coverage. Mayor Ed Koch said, "This was the worst murder I believe has taken place in the modern era." Marches and demonstrations proliferated. Blacks armed with bats attacked whites, crying, "Howard Beach." The youths who attacked Michael Griffiths were convicted of manslaughter, since they didn't actually kill him. Hundreds of protesting blacks blocked rush-hour traffic in Manhattan and Brooklyn.

Wilkinsburg: Black On White

On March 1, 2000, John Kroll, 55, was finishing up putting a new door on the apartment of Ronald Taylor in Wilkinsburg, a small town near Pittsburgh. Taylor, irritated by how long it was taking, first threatened to kill John DeWitt, 63, who was helping Kroll install the door. Emerging with a .22 caliber revolver, Taylor shot Kroll in the chest, killing him. Unable to find DeWitt, he headed for a Burger King up the street, where he killed Joseph Healey, 71, a part-time preacher at the Christian Church.

Crossing the street to a McDonald's, Taylor shot Richard Clinger, 56, in the head. He survived, but will never be normal. He then entered the restaurant and wounded Steven Bostard, 25, the assistant manager. He next shot and fatally wounded Emil Sanielevici, 20, who was waiting to be served at the drive-in window. He proceeded to Ross St., where he reloaded his gun and told a group of men, "I'm going down in a blaze of glory, and I'll shoot anybody white." All of Taylor's victims were white.

Fleeing to a building, he threatened three white women, telling a young black, "Not you, sister. You go." He grabbed a lady's arm, saying, "You look like a smart, white bitch. I won't shoot you; I'll terrorize you." He fled into another room, surrendering to the police a few hours later. He told the police he had some mental problems. He lived on Social Security SSI payments.

Taylor's crimes were motivated by an intense hatred of whites. Three good men died and two were seriously injured because he hated whites who paid most of the taxes that enabled him to eat and live in subsidized housing without working. He even hated those who worked to fix his door. Antiwhite writings were found in his apartment. Those who nurtured Taylor's hate share responsibility for the murders, but the police would not reveal their names or their messages.

There were no demonstrations to protest Taylor's deeds, no sermons condemning blacks. Leaflets reading "Black Crime, White Victims" and urging whites to "stand up and fight" circulated in a few nearby towns. They were denounced as the product of "hate groups" seeking to exacerbate tensions. The police investigated them. At the church where the murdered Joe Healey had preached, mourners were urged to pray for Ronald Taylor too "because he's one of God's children."
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 9:17 pm | #

Strawberrybitch -- I just can't believe you are 310 lbs. of ripping muscle and no tits. If you are 310 lbs. then it is because you are a behemouth sized bitch from McDonalds hell. Not even Lou Ferigno was 310 lbs. in his prime!
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:19 pm | #

Oh my God, i'm a stupid bitch who betrayed a man who is fighting for his country, please sympathize with me!

I'm raising kids, and i'm the only woman who's raising kids, no one else in the world is raising kids, WOE IS ME! I'm so special and usique!

Pfffffft! You're a pathetic little person
The Crab | 11.12.05 - 9:19 pm | #

Thanks RR. You guys are the greatest. It never ceases to amaze me that the trolls support the troops as long as the troops stay in line, don't make waves, don't ask for help when they get their limbs blown off, and don't question der leader. Otherwise, you're a traitor. See Ohagi? These guys have your back. Post away.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 9:20 pm | #

Whiteman -- please shorten your posts, dude. They are getting a bit long in the tooth, if ya know what i mean. Keep it short and to the point. You'll get more responses from these liberal twits.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:21 pm | #

this is not private it is public. Private whould need a passward. this is a public internet. So get your shit right. And i have been using computers way before you was running down your moms leg!
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 9:21 pm | #

TV ALERTS:
* Ex-Pres. Clinton on "NickNews" (Nickelodeon, SUN, 8:30 pm). (Via Hotline)
* Via Hotline: “Sunday -- Meet the Press hosts RNC Chair Ken Mehlman and DNC Chair Howard Dean. Face the Nation hosts Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Gov. Mark Warner (D-VA). This Week hosts Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) and Reps. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) and Tom Reynolds (R-NY). Fox News Sunday hosts Sens. Pat Roberts (R-KS) and Jay Rockefeller (D-WV). Late Edition hosts NSA Stephen Hadley, Sens. Pat Roberts (R-KS) and Carl Levin (D-MI), Iraqi Deputy PM Ahmed Chalabi, Jordan Deputy PM Marwan Muasher, and Govs. Tom Vilsack (D-IA) and Mike Huckabee (R-AR). Other Weekend Shows -- Q&A hosts Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) (C-SPAN, SUN, 8 p.m.) Road to the White House hosts Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) at a Manchester, NH, rally for Mayor Bob Baines and ex-Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) at the IA J-J dinner (C-SPAN, SUN, 6:30 p.m.) After Words hosts Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM) (C-SPAN2, SUN, 6 p.m.)”

* Last Week in Jokes 11/12/05
* The Electorate, Electoral Issues & the Political Landscape Update for 11/3/05 to 11/9/05 In This Edition: Abramoff, DeLay & CIA leak investigations; polls; SCOTUS; House Ethics Committee FINALLY hires counsel; Introducing “Cover up Congress”; Hagel piles on; right-wing bias at the IRS?; a Tom DeLay figure in MN; 2005 effects, and so much more...
* VA purple in 08?
Newsie8200 | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 9:22 pm | #

If black people were in Germany during World War II, the Holocaust would have never happened. Or, not to Jews.
Sarah | 11.12.05 - 9:22 pm | #

And for the record, Whiteman, I hope you never get banned.

Other than your annoying habit of cutting and pasting from whatever deluded white supremacist site you get that garbage from (and frankly, that's what the scroll wheel on my mouse is designed for), your posts make me feel better about that shrinking percentage that still support Bush.

All I have to do is read one of your posts, with its atrocious spelling, grammar and fallacious logic and I realize that Bush supporters can't think their way out of paper bag.
RR | 11.12.05 - 9:24 pm | #

No, a public domain in the internet would be .gov or .org. A domain that ends in .com in paid for with private funds, and is privately owned.

Kind of like the distinction between public schools, paid for by public funds, and private schools, paid for by private funds. That's why prayer and religious displays are allowed in private schools and are not questioned by the government, or organizations like the ACLU.

Do you get it?

It doesn't matter how long you've been using something if you don't have the brain power to understand what it is and how it works.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:28 pm | #

Batman is too stupid to read! She said her boyfriend is 310. Moron.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:33 pm | #

Uhm, Korry, darlin'. You're using words waaay too big for these trolls. You need to use lots of obsenities and monosylabic words in order to penetrate that cloud of ignorance.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 9:33 pm | #

Strawberry,

LOL! LOL!
old lib | 11.12.05 - 9:35 pm | #

RR you could not fight your way out of a paper bag. HMMM so you think iam dumb cause i cant spell. Well i think you need to learn some history. many of the people who discovered and made the things you love today was made by people who could not spell but are smarter then all others who can. And my spelling is like shit but iam smarter then your ugly ass could ever be. Thats why you are a democrat. here is a short problem see if you can get it right without the use of the internet.

10 "clr"
20 print"ASSHOLE"
30 for m=1to3460
40 next m
50 gosub 10

very simple basic program.
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 9:35 pm | #

Super heros? What have I missed?
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 9:36 pm | #

Korry, did you get fired from your job again for embezellment? Yea, I read about you in the Seattle Times.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:37 pm | #

Teach me some history whiteman!!!
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 9:37 pm | #

“History will show that none of the leading Democrats had substantial intelligence.”
John F. Kerry
Jimmy Krenn | 11.12.05 - 9:39 pm | #

Hey, whiteman, you want freedom of speech? Why don't you go over to whitehouse.gov and see if they'll let you post anything you want. What an idiot.

Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:40 pm | #

Whiteman, I'm not a Democrat. Nor do you know my record. Nor do you know anything about me, much less make a guess about my intelligence. Sorry to disappoint.

But you know what they say when you assume....
RR | 11.12.05 - 9:41 pm | #

"Democrats Deny Having Pre-War Intelligence"

But what about post-war intelligence?
Jimmy Krenn | 11.12.05 - 9:42 pm | #

Korry , Tim Z, old lib, get down goddamnit. Take careful aim and wait for the whites of their eyes.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 9:42 pm | #

Nice dishonest hack job there Jimmy. He was talking about pre-war political intelligence.

What history will really show is that none of the leading Republicans had substantial functional intelligence.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:44 pm | #

How eloquent are these miniscule myopic martyrs of morondom? I see your faithful but shameless rhetoric defecates upon these hallowed threads once again. Hi fellas! Come to talk politics, or just flex puny cerebrations? Some day, hopefully, the metamorphosis will take place, from snot-nosed, vulgar Teen Titans to a life-affirming Nietzschian Comic Book Super Heros with real abilities of excogitation.
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 9:44 pm | #

C'mon Strawberry, post your pic. Pllleeeaaassseee. Let's have a peek, dahlin'.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:45 pm | #

Tim, god damn you. Now I have to track down my thesarus.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 9:45 pm | #

Enough wasting keystrokes on morons. I like ignoring them better.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:46 pm | #

“History will show that none of the leading Democrats had substantial intelligence.”
John F. Kerry
Jimmy Krenn | 11.12.05 - 9:39 pm | #

Show me where the comment originated, other than a right-wing-nut blog like prairiefire.
old lib | 11.12.05 - 9:46 pm | #

TimZ -- Are you proud of yourself? Do you really think you have impressed anybody with your big words? Maybe my dog. LOL!
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:47 pm | #

Here you go, old lib. Kerry wasn't referring to IQ. He was talking about pre-war intelligence:

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2065
Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:49 pm | #

Yes impressment let's discuss the controversy of the early 1800s... the British navy's
long-standing practice of augmenting its crews.
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 9:50 pm | #

“We had no pre-war intelligence,” said Sen. John Kerry, “History will show that none of the leading Democrats had substantial intelligence. Anyone who remembers what we did then knows that the president is making a baseless allegation. I think history will bear out my contention that we Democrats lacked the intelligence to make such an important decision.”

And those dishonest scumbags make a big deal out of context when it's the words of someone like that bigot Bennett. Jackasses.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:51 pm | #

Later, it was called shanghaied! But for the sake of discussion, is that what the Brits called it? Augmentation?
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:52 pm | #

Batty, I don't have a camera. My ex just sent me one though. Who knows maybe he and I might get back together if he starts putting his kids first. So when it clears customs, I promise to get some pictures up. But it's rather narcisistic to put up pictures of yourself, don't ya think? Hey, go to the Emerald Cup web page and take a guess as to who I am.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 9:52 pm | #

Weel, if that is what the Brits called it, then I suppose what America and other European countries did was simply "appropiate" low maintenance labor from Africa.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:54 pm | #

Strawberrybitch, don't let him con you into giving him any personal information, or a pic, or anything. Never let a troll, or anyone on the net that you don't completely know and trust, con you like that.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 9:54 pm | #

Shanghaied is so west coast.
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 9:54 pm | #

Strawberrybitch - 2001 photo 3168. My guess, anyway
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:58 pm | #

rr intelligence seems to have bypassed you...Right over your head.

Tim must have the websters dictionary with him...lol..small boy big words.

We come here to denounce your lies. we are protesting. Cause you spin nothing but a web of lies.

Korry. i have been there on the dc blog my son and said same thing iam saying here. The only diffence is they know its the truth. Unlike here the web of lies told and the partying about them.
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 9:58 pm | #

Strawberrybitch,
What's another word for thesaurus?
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 9:59 pm | #

And Korry, iIdid not ask Strawberrybitch for any personal information. Don't be so paranoid.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:59 pm | #

Since this is a open thread I thought I would ask a question.

Do you think that the bird flu will effect the political balance of the country?

I know this sounds like a odd question but I understand that if the bird flu comes to the america it will hit the metropolitan areas the hardest because there is more human to human contact in the larger cities. This in turn will cause a quicker spread of the disease leading to more deaths.

Most (not all) of our base support comes from large cities, and most (not all) of the right wing votes come from the rural areas of the country. So that leads me to think that the H5N1 virus would kill more of the left then the right. With the death rate of the Flu being estimated at 50%, that could kill most of our base leading to a unbalance in the political field. I know that it would effect the right too, but it seams like it would hurt us the most. And you can read how unprepared we are here http://www.npr.org/templates/sto...& sourceCode=gaw So you can see why I am so worried.

Like I said, I am just asking a question, I am not here to argue. So whiteman please do not answer.
marcus | 11.12.05 - 10:01 pm | #

I didn't say DC blog. I said whitehouse.gov. Moron.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:01 pm | #

whiteman,
I see you've been studing up on eugenics. Which matchbook are you going to get your degree from.
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:02 pm | #

Yeah you're right Korry, I think I've spent way too much time in the gym and become waaay to self absorbed. That happens when you train like an animal three hours a day. You feel like you're invincible. But on the flip side, I find the British military at the turn of the century facinating. When British ships changed from coal to oil. That was the seed planted that grew into the mess that is the middle east today. Keep talking, baby, smart is sexy.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 10:03 pm | #

Korry,

What I object to is the wing-nuts taking that comment out of context and claiming that it proves the Democrats are stupid.

Truman pegged them right 50 years ago:

"Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he'd lie just to keep his hand in."
-- Harry S. Truman
old lib | 11.12.05 - 10:04 pm | #

marcus,
I think party politics would be the the last of your worries.
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:05 pm | #

marcus:Like I said, I am just asking a question, I am not here to argue. So whiteman please do not answer.

Hey marcus, regarding the flu, it's full of fluff.

John Rappoport has some very informative postings on his site. Scroll down past the books for his daily news.

http://www.nomorefakenews.com/
The Professional | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:07 pm | #

it is the last of my worries, but it stll makes me wonder thanks Tim
marcus | 11.12.05 - 10:07 pm | #

One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998-Truth!
This was a quote from President Clinton during a presentation at the Pentagon defending a decision to conduct military strikes against Iraq.

If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998-Truth!
Bill Clinton went to the Pentagon on this occasion to be briefed by top military officials about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction.
His remarks followed that briefing.

Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998-Truth!
This is a quote from Albright during an appearance at Ohio State University by Albright, who was Secretary of State for Bill Clinton.

He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998-Truth!
This was at the same Ohio State University appearance as Madeline Albright.

and many more if you like to heair the truth.
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 10:08 pm | #

Thanks Professional, I read it now
marcus | 11.12.05 - 10:09 pm | #

Strawberrybitch,
Yes, Imperialism had much more to do with technology and the tools of the Empire than anything else. Weaponry, steamships locomotives, the quinine prophylaxis against malaria...
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:09 pm | #

I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002-Truth!
Senator Kerry's comments were made to the Senate as part of the same debate over the resolution to use force against Saddam Hussein.
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 10:09 pm | #

Tim Z, don't mess with my head little man, I may have to take you over my knee. Now Korry, seriously. I believe the whole middle eastern mess begins with Britan, Russia, France and Germany sticking their noses where they don't belong. What do you think?
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 10:09 pm | #

Batman-FUCK TEXAS
baitman | 11.12.05 - 10:10 pm | #

Yea, I objected to the same thing, old lib. Which is why I noted how they make a huge issue out of "context" when it's someone calling a conservative on the inflammatory drivel that comes out of their mouths.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:10 pm | #

http://forgetfullibs.blogspot.com/
NYTreader | 11.12.05 - 10:12 pm | #

Tim Z, Quinine, that's a whole new take. I'm not kidding. I'm trying to decide on a senior thesis and this just peaked my interest. go on.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 10:12 pm | #

Democrats Deny Having Pre-War Intelligence

Korry,
Just a little joke, don't be so serious. Lighten up a little, its Saturday night for chrissakes.
Jimmy Krenn | 11.12.05 - 10:15 pm | #

Why is it whiteman will post entire articles of racist drivel, but when he's quoting Kerry, he takes a piece out of context, and loses a whole lot of what was said.

Dishonest, lying, manipulating scumbag is what he is. That's why.

Whiteman wouldn't know the truth if he stepped in it.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:15 pm | #

Jimmy, if you don't want to be perceived as a troll on this board, then don't act like one. Whatever night it is. People do have a sense of humor here, when it's funny.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:16 pm | #

Promises, promises...The bark of the cinchonia tree from South America produced quinine. Only after that was it safe to explore Africa. That's part of the reason America was #1 in the age of discovery. Hell, the French were losing 7 out of 10 men per year in Africa before the prophilaxis.
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:17 pm | #

Hey brave Baitman -- Where do you live? What state, hero?
Batman | 11.12.05 - 10:17 pm | #

Korry,
Ok, and you need to chill out. I never called you any names.
Jimmy Krenn | 11.12.05 - 10:19 pm | #

prophylaxis...actually, the reason the Dutch initially colonized Indochina was to grow cinchona.
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:19 pm | #

Korry, have you taken your Pamprin and hormone pills today?
Batman | 11.12.05 - 10:19 pm | #

The Middle East mess is centuries old. Every colonizing, imperialist country in the world has messed with the Middle East.

There's one colony there right now that is the crux of the major problems in the Middle East, and that's Israel.

And the United States is the power behind Israel. And Great Britain is right in there with us.

I don't think the core of the current problems can be blamed on Russia, France and Germany. Obviously, if the United States had not intervened covertly when the Soviet Union was attempting expansion, much of the Soviet influence would probably have dissipated anyway.

But you know, I could be wrong.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:20 pm | #

Dude I've traveled, i know what it is, but one does not usually associate quinine with desert climates. When I traveled with my trusty backpack and bike (whom I named Missy) I kept a supply on hand. But I never knew it was ever used as a commodity or leverage against local populations, but I wouldn't be surprized. Please keep going.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 10:21 pm | #

NYTreader,

So? What's your point?

The truth is coming out that Chimpy cherry-picked the intel and only gave the Congresscritters what he wanted them to see.

Chimpy lied...thousands died.

It's time to Impeach the Chimp.
old lib | 11.12.05 - 10:22 pm | #

I didn't call you any names, either, Jimmy. Chill out yourself. I didn't call you a troll. I just suggested that if you don't want to be perceived as one, then don't act like one.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:22 pm | #

Jesus's General apparently conferred on yours truly an honor that supercedes any medal: A link to my last next-to-blog entry (captions to pictures of yesterday's Veteran's Day honors) that has gotten me 600 hits. I'd never broken the 300 hit barrier until today.

So I'm returning the favor. Go to Christ's soldier's fine site, if you haven't already, and check out the excellent photo of Bush and how he uses a meat grinder.
jurassicpork | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:22 pm | #

Strawbeerybitch. So you left your husband because he reinlisted to support his country that gives you the freedom you sole dont desrve. THAT IS PATHITIC!

TIM Z. Do you have anything to say better then stupid stuff.

The democratic party know about what was going on in iraq. Kerry,clinton all of them now they just forgot. Hmmm sounds like we need to get some type of new party and do away with the democratic party. I post the truth. and not one of you have posted anything of proof. NONE!...Cause you dont have any.

Democrats are racists,murders,stealing lieing pigs....(RATS)
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 10:23 pm | #

Korry smacks of being another liberal hypocrit. Now an anti-semite. Way to go, liberal Korry! You are free to be ashamed of yourself.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 10:23 pm | #

I'm not anti-semite. I'm anti-Zionist. Look it up, moron. If you can read.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:24 pm | #

Strawberry
This you?
http://www.rennetoney.com/
Jimmy Krenn | 11.12.05 - 10:26 pm | #

Batman they dont know who they are. you know how it is. like MAYOR RAY NAGIN...One minute he is a repub. Next minute he is a demo...THey are confused. Thats why they lie. THeres no other way.
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 10:27 pm | #

It doesn't matter what the Democrats did or said, or that some of them voted for a resolution to allow the president to weild military power without specific declaration of war by Congress.

Bush manipulated the intel, and misrepresented the intent, and other pre-meditated the war, and he started the war, in volation of the specific limits that some in Congress wanted to put on the resolution and in violation of UN accords.

Lying, revisionist, finger pointing, chickenhawk right wing cowards just can't handle the truth.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:28 pm | #

Korry, having lived in the Middle East for a few years, I understand the anti-Zionist viewpoint, but you're going to have an incredibly tough sell to win over the US. Too much of our collective Christian identity is wrapped up in the covenant of the existence of an Israeli state.
RR | 11.12.05 - 10:30 pm | #

Korry, the hypocrit. Anit-Zionis = Hater of Jews. And you call yourself a liberal. What a sham. C'mon, tell us who you really are and what pathetic, demented and depraved philosophy you embrace.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 10:30 pm | #

Korry,
You knew my last name was Jewish, that's why you attacked me, isn't it?

That's ok, you don't know me, and I've learned to deal with it.
Jimmy Krenn | 11.12.05 - 10:31 pm | #

Jimmy, that girl has some fucking guns, but no. I'm not African American. Get it, Strawberry? The rug matches when it's not waxed. I also have not gotten my pro card as of yet, so I haven't had to do the gear yet. GH really messes with the system.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 10:32 pm | #

Strawberrybitch,
There is a great book, Tools of the Empire by Danial Headrick. He was one of my professors, a very good one at that. He wrote the book in the Congo while his wife was doing medical research.

His argument is that without the tools...no Empire. No India without steamships through the Suez...no west coast of Africa without the quinine...no America without superior weapons.
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:32 pm | #

I agree, RR. I think there are possible solutions where Israel can co-exist with Arab states in the Middle East, with Israel as a sovereign state.

The problem is Israel as an apartheid, religious state.

But I don't think it's going to happen as long as the neocons are in charge of the US and Israel. They don't want peace in the Middle East. They want complete dominion over it. Complete with genocide.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:33 pm | #

I suppose, Korry, that unlike the rest of us you are privy to the intel the Whitehouse and the pentagon are privy to. We are so jealous, why won't they tell us, too? Then we could all call Bush the lying, muderous scum that minipulated the intel that you are so privy to.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 10:34 pm | #

No, Jimmy, I didn't know that. And what I said to you had nothing to do with what I said about Israel. And what I said about Israel had nothing to do with Judaism.

I'm telling you Jimmy, stop acting like a troll if you don't want to be treated like one.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:34 pm | #

i gently pushed billy b down on my throbing dickusarelias he loveingly placed his lips around its bulbouse oh billy i cried your jaws are hemanly please billy dont pull off yet before my spunkeus blows out your vocal cordeos my hero
tyree | 11.12.05 - 10:35 pm | #

Do some research, Batman. You're an uneducated hack.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:36 pm | #

The History Channel is running its Crusades series RIGHT NOW! Intelligent C&L commenters & wacky trolls - go watch it right now!

Now I understand why the muslim world didn't like Bush's use of the word "crusade."

(Even though our invasion & occupation of Iraq kinda resembles what Christians did 900 years ago. And it doesn't help that our soldiers are painting crosses inside mosques and on korans.)
old crone | 11.12.05 - 10:38 pm | #

TimZ -- Are you proud of yourself? Do you really think you have impressed anybody with your big words? Maybe my dog. LOL!
Batman | 11.12.05 - 9:47 pm | #

Actually, I'm quite impressed myself, and elated that the smart ones are on the right...I mean correct side! You go Tim Z, while I go to google, dictionary, reference encyclopedia, and any other helpful tool. I'm loving the mental stimulation/gymnastics!
Paulette | 11.12.05 - 10:38 pm | #

KORRY WHERE IS YOUR PROOF????? JUST SHOW THE PROOF. DONT WALK THE WALK IF YOU CANT TALK THE TALK!

You are so full of bullshit your eyes are brown.
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 10:38 pm | #

I'll pick it up, Tim. I've been focased mostly on oil, my profess did his studies on petrol and the middle east, maybe I'll hit him with a sneak left hook on this one. He won't know what hit him. Hehe. Now how the fuck are the trolls hitting Korry with an antisemite charge? Being pissed off with the behavior of a country is not the same as being a racist. I still hope the world doesn't hate me as an American just because Bush id a dickhead. Why can't someone disagree with Israeli policy without being called a fucking racist?
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 10:40 pm | #

whiteman,
"TIM Z. Do you have anything to say better (sic) then stupid stuff."

Can you speak your own fucking language?
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:41 pm | #

Jimmy Kreen, Korry is an obvious psycho with Jewish fixations of hatred. Don't be surprised if she straps a bomb to her ass and blows herself up. She will most likely try and go to a synagogue to do the dirty deed but she will only get as far as the local pig rendering plant where she will accidently press the button!
Batman | 11.12.05 - 10:41 pm | #

LMAO....whiteman has no proof for anything he has ever posted here. None.

And he's trying to manipulate me into jumping through hoops to back up what I say.

Get a life, sad little whiteman. I'm not playing your games, and I'm not going to be manipulated by your lying, stupid little ass.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:41 pm | #

Part of my family is Jewish, you pathetic jerk. And they feel the same way about Zionism that I do.

Like I said, educate yourself. You're currently too stupid to live. Though I wouldn't wish anyone any harm.

Genocide is a fascist neocon tactic. Not my thing.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:43 pm | #

tofubo,
that link has a sponser "Harvey Gordin" and I am going to talk to him really soon
O'Reilly fan | 11.12.05 - 10:44 pm | #

It's the up is down, black is white, truth is lies tactics of right wing propagandists and hacks, Strawberry. They do it all the time.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:45 pm | #

cant you tell this fool is not batman he talks nothing like the batshit my guess its billy b , hes batshits getting it on buddy , they go to gay bars together
tyree | 11.12.05 - 10:45 pm | #

I'm with Paulette. I love seeing some interesting posts here. It makes scrolling past Whiteman and Batman worth it.
RR | 11.12.05 - 10:46 pm | #

Every democratic blog I know of allows Republican idiots to comment, but I bet these morons can't come up with one repugly sight that allows an opposing point of view to theirs> Cowards
JTM | 11.12.05 - 10:46 pm | #

Tyree's right. This Batman doesn't sound at all like the original Batman. Didn't the old one get banned because he was cyber-stalking actor212?
RR | 11.12.05 - 10:47 pm | #

its not a game i posted tons of truth you splate out lies. Dude your funny though. Funny looking...LMAO....Life is not a game there asshole and if you think it is then one day your game will be over.

Batman wasup with these people are they just stupid from birth or has it just been passed down.
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 10:48 pm | #

It's totally hypocritical when the ones who spew racist garbage about Muslims, and Africans, and people of color, accuse anyone who questions Zionist agendas as anti-semite, of course.

Up is down, black is white, truth are lies. Lying propagandist right wing hacks.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:48 pm | #

billy b has been stalking me too i think i facinate him
tyree | 11.12.05 - 10:49 pm | #

I'm not anti-semite. I'm anti-Zionist. Look it up, moron. If you can read.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:24 pm | #

I did look it up, Jew hater and hypocrit. You just nailed yourself as a Nazi. Congratulations, pig.

Anti-Zionism is the conviction that Israel, of all the world's countries, does not have the right to exist. It is the conviction that the determination of what constitutes Israel's "secure and defensible borders" should not be made by the Israeli people, either directly or via representation. It is discrimination or double standards against Israel, even if because of ignorance; the criticism of Israel while displaying relative silence on often much more pressing and tragic situations all around the world.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 10:49 pm | #

Wow, Korry, as a bleeding heart liberal, I'm learning this jizitzu, mind fuck stuff as a trial by fire. It's weird to be called a racist, unpatriotic, uneducated liberal elitest. Is that even fucking possible?
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 10:50 pm | #

i hate whites,jews and i think they should kill them all.
korry | 11.12.05 - 10:51 pm | #

whiteman is a fag
whiteman is a fag | 11.12.05 - 10:52 pm | #

Korry,
Don't expect them to understand the complexity of the situation. Today there are some very strange and frightening bedfellows and apologists on the right.
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:52 pm | #

Excellent cut and paste abilities, Batman.

Now, here's the $64,000 question: Do the Palestinians (who occupied the land prior to 1954) have any rights to self-determination, or should their rights be subsumed by the Israelis?
RR | 11.12.05 - 10:54 pm | #

tyree,

Aren't you a little old to be talking that way? When my grandpa started talking gibberish we knew it was time to look for a nice place for him.
Billy | 11.12.05 - 10:54 pm | #

you ever see the real batman try to debate eny one he he no the real batman just throws insults , must be lonely for billy to steal bats name
tyree | 11.12.05 - 10:54 pm | #

You're an idiot, Batman. Israel as an apartheid religious, where only people of one religion have a right to be citizens, does not have a right to exist when it usurped the rights of the people who lived there since long before it was created.

If Iran shouldn't be a fascist religious state then neither should Israel. The creation and expansion and defense of Israel as a separatist, religious state has done more to strengthen other fascist religious states in the Middle East than anything else.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:55 pm | #

whiteman sucks me off
Batman | 11.12.05 - 10:55 pm | #

whiteman sucks me off
Batman

I knew it!
Big African American Man | 11.12.05 - 10:56 pm | #

oh and was he just about your age when he started it billbat he he
tyree | 11.12.05 - 10:56 pm | #

RR, don't expect an intelligent answertoo soon. It takes a hell of a long time to flip through a history book without opposible thumbs.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 10:56 pm | #

Kiss my ass Batfag
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 10:57 pm | #

Tyree -- You're wrong about me. I'm Batman allright. We talked once about your Korean experience and my father's Korean experience ( the one he doesn't like to talk about). I was banned for awhile because John Amato correctly observed that my language was "over the top". I gave him my word I would not go "over the top" again and he let me back on. This is his blog site. It is also the blog site where opposing sides can scream disagreements with one another. I will be frank, I cannot stand liberals. But that is an argument for later. I just wanted to assure you that although my language has been "cleaned up", I am Batman.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 10:57 pm | #

Here you go batman...Orthodox Jews against Zionism.

http://www.nkusa.org/
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 10:58 pm | #

Good one, Strawberry! Opposible thumbs!
Korry | 11.12.05 - 10:58 pm | #

tyree,
I'm Billy, not BillyB. I know you can't spell, and can't string together an intelligent sentence, but can you at least read a name correctly?
Billy | 11.12.05 - 10:58 pm | #

jesus dont call this fool batman have a little respect for an x repug fighter its billy b its billy its billyb
tyree | 11.12.05 - 10:58 pm | #

Strawberry, I NEVER expect an intelligent answer from a troll.
RR | 11.12.05 - 10:59 pm | #

whiteman -- I did not say that to you. Some pathetic coward likes to appropiate my name because they are too cowardly to show themselves. C&L has expressly forbidden this and I will report it to C&L. John knows their IP Address.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 10:59 pm | #

call shit eny way you want billy b shit billy plain shit
tyree | 11.12.05 - 11:00 pm | #

Bullshit Batfaggot
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 11:02 pm | #

Batman,
Just a test. What name did you assign Tyree recently?
Billy | 11.12.05 - 11:04 pm | #

Whiteman -- If I wanted to attack, believe I could. Just ask Tyree. He and I are on opposite sides but he has seen my wrath. Believe me, some puke is a pathetic coward on this thread who won't show themselves.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 11:06 pm | #

Billy - Recently it was Aqualung.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 11:07 pm | #

billy its aqualung but honestly billy who gives a shit??? you are no more then the pig crap you have to shovel every day just to keep your ass off the street ,and sellingyour ass for beer money
tyree | 11.12.05 - 11:07 pm | #

Wow, Batman is like so tough and macho. That certainly compensates for being terminally ignorant.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 11:08 pm | #

your the puke
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 11:08 pm | #

Yeah but Korry, does it make up for an incredibly small penis that requires Viagra to work?
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 11:10 pm | #

kcuf uoy whiteman. And I'll bet your not white.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 11:10 pm | #

Why do you talk that way tyree? Would your children be proud of you for that? Your grandchildren?

Batman, You're the real Batman. Great name for tyree.
Billy | 11.12.05 - 11:12 pm | #

you little mouse with wings go kcid a kcus
whiteman | 11.12.05 - 11:13 pm | #

OK folks, it's official, we have now hit rock bottem on this thread, and I must bare a lot of the responsibility. For that I do humbly apoligize. Please forgive me.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 11:14 pm | #

Korry,

Do you approve of the way Tyree speaks here? Doesn't that appall you more than trolls?
Billy | 11.12.05 - 11:15 pm | #

oh hell your hero dick cheany does better then i do at cussing and you love him
tyree | 11.12.05 - 11:17 pm | #

Korry -- Here's some more that shows what a hypocritical racist you are.

Zionism, even as a code word, is the litmus test with respect to anti-Semitism throughout the world, even in America. The facile rhetorical linkage of Zionism with imperialism and racism is little more than an admission that Jews are uniquely not entitled to be like everyone else and live as citizens as part of a majority in a nation, for better or for worse. Zionism, as mirrored in the State of Israel, has proven the point that Jews are in fact just human. Israel has displayed a full range of human achievement and weakness and of decency and its absence common to all nations. Comparatively speaking, one can make the case that Israel has behaved better, given its circumstances. The anti-Zionist, like the anti-Semite a century ago, does not allow the Jew the privilege of normalcy.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 11:18 pm | #

NO!
Tim Z | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 11:18 pm | #

Strawberrybitch,
Please don't apologize. I admire you for raising three kids by yourself and still working out like you do. I know having two kids with autism is not at all easy for you. Sounds like you're doing well with them, I hope so, anyway.
Billy | 11.12.05 - 11:20 pm | #

Hi RR,
Definitely! The priceless gems to be found here are definitely worth the long scrolls through the gibberish of the trolls.
Paulette | 11.12.05 - 11:21 pm | #

To believe that one race should not take control of a country that WAS already occupied does not make someone racist.
stoppit | 11.12.05 - 11:23 pm | #

Strawberry, why is this your responsibility? I'm not sure why we needed to spend so long ascertaining that Batman is Batman, but that had nothing to do with you.

In answer to your question, Billy (even though it's not directed at me), I'm not thrilled when language and content degenerates into vulgarity, no matter what side of the aisle you're on.

However, I don't feel the need to censor anyone's language, be it Tyree or even Whiteman. I only object to ad hominem attacks and cyber-stalking that waste bandwidth and lower the general intelligence of the threads.
RR | 11.12.05 - 11:26 pm | #

You believe that, Batman, because you've bought into Zionist propaganda that's been perpetuated here for decades.

Apartheid and oppression are no more acceptable in Israel than they are anywhere else. It wasn't okay in South Africa, it's not okay in Israel. It's not okay in Iran, it's not okay in Israel.

And my tax dollars, as part of the $3-5 billion every year that supports apartheid, oppression and genocide in the Middle East, by Israel, is not okay.

And the covert terrorism that happens in various parts of the world, that's perpetrated by Mossad, and CIA and M16 and blamed on Muslim fundamentalists in order to inflame hatred and fear towards Muslims and justify Israeli fascism, apartheid and oppression is not okay.

You want to buy into the information that Israel chooses to feed the world media about who their government an military are and how they behave you go right ahead. I think that makes you an ignorant, ditto head, bigoted sheep.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 11:28 pm | #

well batman i accept that you are who you say you are ,i really dont understand why you come here but i dont oppose it ether , as long as you only want to debate i dont object you were pretty far out before and that was what pissed me off , you know your not going to change eny minds here but your welcome to try, by the way wheres the insult in being called aqalung ?
tyree | 11.12.05 - 11:29 pm | #

Well it looks like a typical saturday night here. RR, strawberry, Tim Z, Korry, Paulette,tyree and anyone else among the good guys: GOOD EVENING. And good night, I'm not in the mood to put up with the bullshitters but you guys have fun.
D-day | 11.12.05 - 11:30 pm | #

Batman, anti-zionism is not a code word.

Answer my question: Do the Palestinians have an equal right to self-determination or are their rights subsumed by the Israelis?

THAT is the crux of anti-zionism.
RR | 11.12.05 - 11:31 pm | #

Nighty-night D-day.

I'm going to polish off the last of the bottle of wine the hubby opened last night and be the last person on the planet to watch The Sopranos (we don't have HBO and after years of hearing people rave about it, we finally rented the DVD of Season 1).
RR | 11.12.05 - 11:34 pm | #

Second to last RR. Now off to bed for real.
D-day | 11.12.05 - 11:38 pm | #

Thanks Billy. Believe me there are times when I really wish God a very bad hangnail, but watching them learn the Oompa Loompa dance tonight just cracks me up. It really changes your view of the world when you try to see the world as they do. Shapes and patterns, Dark and light. Rythems and hues. It makes life worth living even with all the hate Batty and the rest of those compassionate conservatives spew.
Strawberrybitch | 11.12.05 - 11:40 pm | #

RR - No, as far as I am concerned the Palestenians no longer have any rights to exist. They forfeited that right when they vowed to kill all Jews everywhere. Their policy is one of aniahlation, genocide. They named their own poison when they did that. They are murderers and cowards. They are part of the Muslim beast that must be eraticated.

Korry, you are dangerous and depraved for standing with the enemy. I am not Jewish but Israel has stood with America and vice-versa. Together, we stand against the Muslim beast. You have chosen your side. Live with it and die with it, traitor.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 11:41 pm | #

Batman, I do understand your point of view, I've heard it many times.

However, can you see things from the Palestinian point of view? They had been living there for millennia and then in 1954, they are put into somewhat arbitrary encampments, stripped of their rights, and treated like sub-humans.

Wouldn't you be the least bit pissy about that? These are people fighting with rocks against heavy artillery. Doesn't seem like a fair fight, does it?

I'm not saying that the Palestinians were innocent in this matter. Arafat was an evil man, more concerned with his ego than with the welfare of his people.

But to dismiss the human rights breaches of the Israelis against the Palestinians seems like you're the one with the racist attitudes.
RR | 11.12.05 - 11:47 pm | #

Has anyone seen Good Night and Good Luck yet? What did you think of it? Ann Coulter lambasted it, even though she hasn't seen it (I took her apart but good last night on my blog). I'm thinking of seeing it before it gets to DVD.
jurassicpork | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 11:47 pm | #

Tyree, I come here to oppose liberals just as there is a North Pole, there is a South Pole. For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. You come to a liberal web site to bash Bush and other conservatives with like-minded liberals. But wouldn't it get boring if all of you were saying the same things, over and over again, to each other? I mean, how may ways can you say you hate Bush and the gang? Or hate America, and blame America for all the wrongs in the world when America has given so much to the world? I may be outnumbered here 20 to 1 but I call those odds even.
Batman | 11.12.05 - 11:51 pm | #

Ariel Sharon is a genocidal butcher. Many more Palestinians have died at the hands of Israelis than the other way around.

The people of Israel are not my enemy. Palestinians are not my enemy. Muslims are not my enemy.

Lying, fascist, genocidal, war mongering, terrorizing, oil grabbing governments who weild the world's military might are the enemy of all human rights on the planet.

And like I said, you are an ignorant, ditto head, bigoted sheep, who accepts the "enemy" you've been fed to justify fascist nationalism and the move for global domination, and the genocide of a significant percentage of the non-white people of the world.

You and the governments you support in that endeavor are the Nazis. And you know it.
Korry | 11.12.05 - 11:54 pm | #

Strawberry, I've been meaning to ask you, what is your position on the MMR vaccination and autism?

A good friend of mine from college has a severely autistic son, but it was clear from the get-go that he had developmental issues. He never came close to achieving milestones in the 'normal' range (he didn't walk until 3 or 4 and he didn't speak in sentences until the age of .

However, one of my clients has a son with Asperger's and she is convinced that the MMR had something to do with his setback, because he was developing normally until about 2 and then he started regressing in speech and social patterns.
RR | 11.12.05 - 11:55 pm | #

it should read : the age of 8]
RR | 11.12.05 - 11:56 pm | #

Batman...another liberal bashing right wing moron, who just has to put liberals "in their place" because his sad, sick little ego can't stand the idea that he might be wrong, and someone is smarter than he his.

He can't critically think his way out of a paper bag.

Korry | 11.12.05 - 11:58 pm | #

Hey Jurassic, if you see it come back and post. I haven't been to a film with anything stronger than a G rating in years. And to tell you the truth, it's a struggle to stay awake to watch the Daily Show. 5AM comes awfully early. I heard it's great. And of course if Coulter hates it, it must be an Oscar contender. Is that the most attractive female the repugs have? HHHAAAAHHHAAA. We've got Anjolie. Not to mention everyother beautiful male and female on the planet. Hey, that's why Batty/richard/Billy hates us, because we're beautiful.
Strawberrybitch | 11.13.05 - 12:00 am | #

And you can? (critically think). Are you really as brilliant as you claim to be? Why, you're just another number-crunching accountant who practices Farrakahn's "Million Man Math". You are the dog excrement that gets wiped off of Bozo's clown shoes. Who'd you work for before you got fired, Arthur Andersen? Yeah, I'll bet you moonlight as a document shredder for the Democratic National Committee and a document forgerer for CBS.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 12:06 am | #

RR, it's hard to get straight answers from this fucking government. The official party line is no connection between mercury in MMR shots and autism, (mercury used as a perservative in vaccinations, what fuckwit thought that was a good idea?) but yet the Bush administration through the Bioshield act attached to the Patriot act gave drug companies RETROACTIVE IMMUNITY for their vaccines. Retroactive? Who else smells a huge case of cover you ass?
Strawberrybitch | 11.13.05 - 12:07 am | #

Tyree, I come here to oppose liberals just as there is a North Pole, there is a South Pole. For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. You come to a liberal web site to bash Bush and other conservatives with like-minded liberals. But wouldn't it get boring if all of you were saying the same things, over and over again, to each other? I mean, how may ways can you say you hate Bush and the gang?

Batman, I agreed with you until this last sentence here. Liberals don't hate America. We see things that are wrong with America and want to improve it. Conservatives have the blinders on when it comes to America, you believe it can do no wrong and love it like a child loves its parents.
Wrath | 11.13.05 - 12:07 am | #

Of course he has to resort to personal attacks that include profanity, and strawman arguments that are completely irrelevant.

Because he can't think his way out of a paper bag.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 12:11 am | #

Strawberry, you'll never get a straight answer out of the government (and it doesn't matter if they have a D or an R by their name) until it's too flipping obvious to ignore. The FDA plays CYA every day of the week--look at Vioxx, ephenedrin (sp?), thalydomide (sp?).

Robert Kennedy Jr. has been a vocal opponent of the thimeserol additive (I think that's the mercury derivative of which you speak) to vaccines. Have you seen his articles on it?

I'm just curious if you noted a halt or regression in your twins' development around the 18-24 month mark concurrent with the MMR vaccine. Like I said, I've heard both sides of the argument and I'd like to know anecdotally what your experience was.
RR | 11.13.05 - 12:15 am | #

It's amazing, you liberals. It's not widely reported or even recognized that it is the liberals and Democrats who actually run the government. yeah, the big profile offices are manned by Republicans but he in the trenchs are the Democrat workers who do the daily grind in the State Dept., Treasury,
health 7 Human Services, Postal, and on and on. It's called burearacracy. So if Strawberry bitch complains about getting any answers out of "this fucking government" you can blame Democrats.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 12:18 am | #

Oh, there we go. Yea, government it totally fucked up! He admits it! And it doesn't matter who is in the white house, and he's now the lamest duck in history, less than a year into his second term.

And it doesn't matter who has the majority rule in Congress.

Things are fucked because of the Democrats!

ROFLMAO

Pathetic....beyond belief!

Korry | 11.13.05 - 12:23 am | #

Well the interesting thing I noticed is that since both twins got the vaccines at differnt times(Thaine was much smaller than Blayne) they developed symptoms at differnt times but right after receiving the shots. That to me shows difinitive proof that the MMR caused the autism. But I do need to read Kennedy's book. He's got enough clout to help us out.
Strawberrybitch | 11.13.05 - 12:26 am | #

Jesus, I really need to proof read my posts, especially when I'm drinking bubbly.
Strawberrybitch | 11.13.05 - 12:29 am | #

Wrath, re-read my last ssentence. I did not say liberals hate America. I said "I mean, how may ways can you say you hate Bush and the gang?". Really, how many ways can liberals say they hate? And if all you liberals see are the wrongs of America, then what does it say about you? We never here you liberals say what is right about America. We only here from liberals about how many people we've bombed and starved and tortured and on and on. Conservatives see a lot wrong, but we work toward righting those wrongs. There are the ones like Pat Robertson who is "over the top" with his outlandish statements. Any reasonable person would distance themselves from people like him. Yeah, there are Rightwing hatemongers(Glenn Beck)on talk radio, but there are also Leftwing hatemongers on radio and other media. Randi Rhodes?
Batman | 11.13.05 - 12:29 am | #

Batman...

Almost 70% of the people in the US think the country is on the wrong track... now why do you suppose that is.

Quit generalizing and discuss facts not empty rhetoric.
Flint | 11.13.05 - 12:33 am | #

Yeah Korry, that's right. Democrats. You Dems have had the controls for years and as I recall it has been fucked up for decades. You Dems are the ones who have held the reigns of power for most of that time so yeah, blame the Democrats.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 12:34 am | #

70% of the people think America is on the wrong track. And you want me to quit generalizing? What the hell do you think you just did?
Batman | 11.13.05 - 12:36 am | #

Batman this is the last time I'll post to you tonight. We liberals don't hate like the right wing nut jobs do. We may come here and vent but I as a liberal, military, democrat, would be the first to defend your right to call me all the nasty names you have tonight and in the past. I would die to defend your right to free speech. That is what I love about America. Just because I hate Bush does not mean I hate America or even you. I don't hate you, for fucks sake, I don't even know you. Nobody here can really say we hate you. Yes, you piss us off, but hate no. I love this country, I can't read the constitution without breaking down into tears. I will die to defend her from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And Bush is a traitor. All neocons are and we will bring them to justice.
Strawberrybitch | 11.13.05 - 12:39 am | #

Have you heard of chelation therapy? If you really did observe a regression after the MMR, it may be something to consider.

http://autism.about.com/cs/chela...elationtherapy/

My friend with the Asperger's child swears by it. Her son did regress, which would indicate some sort of sensitivity that the mercury/thimeserol took advantage of. My friend with the severely autistic son never saw a regression, so he has opted not to look into chelation.
RR | 11.13.05 - 12:40 am | #

I sited a pew research poll that is an established fact.

Which is different than "oh you liberals your all so full of "explitive deleted."

Pick topic:

Economy

war

prescription drugs

foreign policy

unemployment

border security

trade deficit

national debt

where would you like to begin?
Flint | 11.13.05 - 12:41 am | #

I was going to say it looks like we have a lot in common until you said:
"And Bush is a traitor. All neocons are and we will bring them to justice."
Strawberrybitch | 11.13.05 - 12:39 am | #

So you don't hate, huh? My ass.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 12:42 am | #

Actually, it started being really fucked up during the Reagan administration, as far as the economy.

It got appreciably better during the Clinton administration, but that's all gone to hell now, thanks to the Republicans.

I don't think it's quite that simple, and that it so neatly divides down party lines like that...as in conservatives are always bad and liberals are always good. It may have been better if Clinton were more liberal.

I'll save the pure partisan ditto head mentality of blaming everything on the other party for ignorant blame-gamers and bashers like Batman
Korry | 11.13.05 - 12:42 am | #

Okay, I wasn't going to respond to Batman's baiting, but I have to ask for clarification.

Why is San Francisco = the wrong track? Do you really think that my hometown is offending the 65% that think the country is on the wrong track?

How the hell are you spinning that, Sparky?
RR | 11.13.05 - 12:43 am | #

Wrong track = gay marriage, condoms passed out in grade schools, kill cop rap music, San Franciso, perverts, crack cocaine, entitlement lifestyles, welfare system, illegal immigration and on and on.
90% Democrat initiatives.

Wow, you can't even think at all. That's just totally ignorant tripe. It's pointless to even try and argue with someone as stupid and hateful as you are. You're one of the worst haters I've seen on this site. You're disgusting.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 12:44 am | #

RR, I have thought about it, quite a bit, but since they have other health problems and are finally getting over the hump (I hope) I'm really burnt out on doctors right now. I actually get panic attacks when I have to take them to their many doctors appointments. I need time to chill before I start another round of treatments. Maybe when their dad gets back I'll be to relax a little. I just can't stand seeing them in pain anymore.
Strawberrybitch | 11.13.05 - 12:46 am | #

Batman...

I don't have time to play games tonight... I'm still working. If there's an open thread tomorrow night I'll be glad to discuss things with you issue by issue.

And please don't flatter yourself... you aren't worth hating. Pity is about as close a feeling that most of us have for you.
Flint | 11.13.05 - 12:47 am | #

Hey Batman:

Corruption---manipulation---lying--deception-- arrogance--100% Republican Values. Thanks for nothing---except the lesson on what NOT to be.
unrepentant liberal | 11.13.05 - 12:49 am | #

Why is San Francisco = the wrong track?

Gay marriage, activist judges, violation of the 2nd ammendment, depraved parades full of deviate sex perverts, free drugs and needles to drug addicts, "How Berkely Can You Be Parade?, communist professors, radicals, America haters. That's just for openers.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 12:49 am | #

Why is it okay to hate people for who they are and who they have sex with? Why are you so threatened by that? Why is it okay to hate people for voicing their views and disagreeing with the government? Why are you so threatened by that?

How many times and ways to you stupid conservatives have to be shown that the most "activist" judges are hard right conservative judges before it sinks in to your thick, stupid skulls?

You're the ignorant hater, Batman.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 12:56 am | #

What is an "activist judge"? Name one. Explain why he or she is an "activist."
everdade | 11.13.05 - 12:59 am | #

profmarcus | Homepage | 11.12.05 - 6:39 pm |

Torture is never acceptable.

This is a sideline to your reply.

Torture is carried out in the US.

Very seldom are police jailed for beating/killing, tasing, roughing-up, choking, etc US citizens.
tHeGaMeOfLiFe | 11.13.05 - 1:00 am | #

What's wrong with gay marriage?
everdade | 11.13.05 - 1:01 am | #

Who violated the 2nd Amendment?
everdade | 11.13.05 - 1:01 am | #

Oh for fuck's sake Batty, quit hating. It will kill you. Just look at how bad Bush looks latley. He's rotting from the inside out. If you really are a 40ish year old man and you have this much pent up rage you are going to die. Cortisal is a very bad hormone that really fucks you up. And I'm sure you're up to your eyeballs in it. High Blood pressure, heart problems, penile dysfunction, shit you name it. and if you really cared about this country, you should be outraged at Bush, Rove, Libby, and Cheny, oh and let's not forget Rummy. They have betrayed us all.
Strawberrybitch | 11.13.05 - 1:02 am | #

Korry, you call me Hater but it is you that comes across as the mad bitch of the West. You are wound way too tight, lady. For someone who professes to be liberal, you are more like the menopausal bitch from hell. But you know what? I find the most out-of-control people are liberals so full of hate and self-loathing that can no longer be truthful to even themselves and you rank up there in the top 1%. Go out and find a sushi bar, have a little sake and sashimi and chill.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:02 am | #

Who's a communist professor? Name one. Are people in the US not allowed to be communist (hint: Read the First Amendment)?
everdade | 11.13.05 - 1:03 am | #

You're a worthless piece of reactionary wingnut crap, Batman, and not worth anymore keystrokes. Fuck off.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 1:04 am | #

Yeah, they're allowed. But not wanted and definitely will be kept in check. Kinda like a wild animal in the zoo, ya know?
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:05 am | #

Up is down, black is white, truth is lies, right is wrong.

Wingnut reasoning. Can't think they're way out of a paper bag.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 1:05 am | #

How did I know you would say something really stupid, Batman? Never mind.
everdade | 11.13.05 - 1:06 am | #

Guess we'll have to keep you liberals in check, also. Especially Korry. Her non-existant thinking processes have degenerated to new lows. Korry = "Oh, if I only had a brain."
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:08 am | #

Full ignore mode. ENGAGE!
everdade | 11.13.05 - 1:10 am | #

Everdade Korry, I give up, he's all yours, Batty has some serious issues with women. Maybe his wife left him for another women, hell I don't know. Even if you show this guy a little kindness he'll just shove it back in your face. Good night all, don't stay up too late. And no Batty, I don't hate you.
Strawberrybitch | 11.13.05 - 1:12 am | #

Good night, sweety. I love you, too.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:14 am | #

Not sure what universe you live in Batman but if that inane garbage is what you think represents San Francisco you better put down your NRA magazine and National Enquirer and get a clue. Or maybe you had a flashback on the LSD, who knows.

The idea that we would adopt conservative Republican values given a good chunk of your current corrupt leadership is indicted or under investigation, and are led by the worst president in modern times is truly laughable.

The hacks that compose the "leadership" in your party are clueless on what leadership really is. And lying, manipulation, and blame are not leadership virtues.

You and your band of troglodite criminals are going to get a major ass kicking next November. You lost big time already in Virginia, California, and New Jersey. And trust me pal, I'll be working very hard to make sure you lose in the 47 other states too.
unrepentant liberal | 11.13.05 - 1:17 am | #

Batman, the single most egregious example of activist judges was Bush v. Gore. Ask any lawyer with a constitutional background.

Can you name a SF ruling that would fall under judicial activism?

The rest of that are just trotting out tired old talking points that irk up the Christian Right.

I am a married heterosexual. My marriage is neither threatened or demeaned if gays wish to commit to each other. By the way, they were civil unions, not marriages.

Gun control laws were voted on by the electorate, not by the government nor the judicial branch. If the majority of people in SF want gun control, what's it to you?

Your issues with homosexuality notwithstanding, there are gay pride parades in every major city in the US, it is not a strictly a SF phenomena. What I love about my hometown is that we are libertarians in the best sense of the word. If you aren't hurting anyone else, we think you should do your thing, with no governmental interference. That USED to be a Republican platform before the neocons hijacked them into this Orwellian nightmare.

I've yet to find free drugs in SF (even medical marijuana must be purchased), but I have seen punks trying to sell oregano. Are you opposed to the selling of herbs as well?

The free needle program has helped stem the increase in AIDS infection, which is not limited to the homosexual community and if I may be crass, taxes all of us with the costs in healthcare.

Berkeley, btw, is on the other side of the bay. I'm not sure how that gets lumped in. There is an extreme form of liberalism being practiced by some in Berkeley, but if you don't live there, I don't see how it affects you any more than the narrow-minded idiocy of the Kansas school board affects me.

"Communist" professors? What are you, McCarthy? When all else fails, just trot out that tired meme? Dude, I went to college in Southern California--had a Communist poli sci professor. Big deal. Also had a huge Reaganite economics professor. Neither one had a lock on smarts. Again, you'll find them on EVERY campus (except maybe Bob Jones). It is not a strictly SF phenomena.

By your definition, anyone who doesn't fall along your point of view is America haters. That is your own prejudice, which I have neither the inclination nor the desire to argue with you.

Please, leave the over-generalizations for boards like Free Republic. If you're going to serve as the opposite side of the coin (a position I'd respect), you need to at least do it intelligently, otherwise you're just flamebaiting.
RR | 11.13.05 - 1:18 am | #

unepentant liberal: you said:
"and are led by the worst president in modern times is truly laughable."
Translation: Jimmy Carter
"The hacks that compose the "leadership" in your party are clueless on what leadership really is. And lying, manipulation, and blame are not leadership virtues."
Translation: Bill & Hillary Clinton

Wanna try again?
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:21 am | #

You're so wrong and so stupid, Batman, it's nothing but a pathetic joke. STFU, you have nothing to contribute, obviously.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 1:25 am | #

Pathetic, impotent Batman wishes he had the power to keep anyone "in check." What a joke. What an ignorant, useless, impotent fool, with delusions of something.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 1:27 am | #

Doesn't matter what I say, you liberals will call me all sort of epitaphs. Good, I welcome it because it only shows your inner self-loathing. So do your worst, I sure you liberals continue to perfect it. BTW, Berkely may be across the bay but is in such close proximity that it is lumped in with SF. The only good thing to come out of SF in the 40 years was Dirty Harry. He sure as hell didn't put up with any lovey, feel-good liberal shit. Go on, make my day!
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:30 am | #

Wup! Korry just made it. Thanks Korry, you imbecilic turd.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:32 am | #

Batman, it's epithets, not epitaphs. No one has ended your life.

People from Berkeley think SF is too conservative and status conscious for their own good. It just shows how little you understand of the area.
RR | 11.13.05 - 1:32 am | #

That happens because you have nothing intelligent or truthful to say, and because you engage in gratuitous bashing and personal attacks, and lies, consistently, Batman. Deal with it.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 1:34 am | #

What are you, Batman, a smart turd? LOL
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:38 am | #

Well, that may be the consensus out there but the rest of the country doesn't see the difference. And BTW, I have spent some time out there. 'Bout 10 years ago now. My son and his wife just moved back from San Jose 3 months ago after spending 6 years out there. Could no longer take the traffic, high real estate (rent) prices, basically the cost of everything. Coming back here they feel like they just won the lottery with all the cash they now save.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:38 am | #

Texas is in close proximity to Mexico, so I guess I'll just start calling Texas, Mexico.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:40 am | #

batman what ever you say , go ahead beat your head against the bars, it wouldnt matter if you had others of like mind on your side here we think to , and we dont like your president i said your president because hes not ours , like i said talk till you turn blue do you think its going to make us love the chimp eny better?weve heard all your arguements they are bull crap , ill bet you dont have eny trouble at all selling that republican line on your right wing blog , but they made this blog for people who use thier own minds to decide when crap really is crap, so knock yourself out enyone here that bothers to argue with you must be under the delushion you might get a glimmer of sence about the dimwhit resideing in the white house
tyree | 11.13.05 - 1:40 am | #

Yes, it is the consensus that you, Batman, are a turd. That much you have correct. The rest is just the miasma of a turd.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:41 am | #

Some of us feel like we've won the lottery to live in the Bay Area, Batman.

I've lived all over the world, but this is the place I've chosen to make my home.

To each his own.
RR | 11.13.05 - 1:42 am | #

So, they couldn't make it in the Bay Area, huh? And you call us losers! LOL
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:43 am | #

Texas is the asshole of creation.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:45 am | #

I heard George Bush was a hidden character in "Mario Kart DS"....
video_game_info | 11.13.05 - 1:47 am | #

video kid

Thanks for sharing. Why should anyone care?
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:49 am | #

tyree: you said " ill bet you dont have eny trouble at all selling that republican line on your right wing blog , but they made this blog for people who use thier own minds to decide when crap really is crap, so knock yourself out "

I don't need to sell my line of thinking, it sells itself and there is no need to go to conservative blogs because they know what is right and we don't have to debate it. We only have to confront you liberals becasue you libs are trying to destroy this beautiful country with your immorality and hate. And as far as this blog goes you libs believe everything is crap. The vile hatred and poison spewed forth on this blogsite by you liberals is hard to comprehend. You are sick & sorry, worthless people.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:49 am | #

Tell you what then, Bat-brain, don't sully yourself anymore and leave this worthless site.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:52 am | #

Texas is the asshole of creation.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:45 am | #

Well hero, where are you from? C'mon, let's here how where you live is Shangrila. C'mon you asshole. You chickenshit, won't even give a name to yourself so henceforth you are known as Asshole.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:53 am | #

A majority of the US isn't buying your bat-brained "thinking" anymore.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:53 am | #

I don't live in that shithole Texas, I can tell you that.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:54 am | #

Don't go trying to get intimate with me, turd-brain. The name is Anonymous.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:55 am | #

Turd-brain from Shithole, Texas, the asshole of creation.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:56 am | #

Texas is the perfect place for a turd-brain like you and your loser inbred son and cousin, er, wife.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:57 am | #

Chickenshit Anonymous: SWAWCK, SWAWCK, SWAWCK, SWAWCK, SWAWCK,
SWAWCK, SWAWCK, SWAWCK, SWAWCK!!!
Batman | 11.13.05 - 1:58 am | #

You haven't got the sense God gave a goose, bat-brain.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 1:59 am | #

Resorting to noise-like words now, eh, bat-brain? Great. God your an idiot.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 2:00 am | #

You really are a mouth-breathing fool, Batshit.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 2:00 am | #

Ahm from Texasss, damnit. Speak Inglish. You ain't the devil! Mister, you're a goddamn liar. Yip.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 2:02 am | #

Anonymous Asshole, I'm gonna leave you with tyree now. He's got a tube of KY Jelly he's been anxious to use on somebody, hey I'll bet you're his type! I'll bet you're a sweet pea! C'mon sweet pea, lets get that anal jelly warmed up! Ya'll come back now, ya here? Schazaam! schazaam! schzaam! Goaaaallly! Golly Gee Whiz!! OH! You so sweet!
Batman | 11.13.05 - 2:04 am | #

Wow, you're quick there bat-brain. Stop dazzling us with your rapier wit.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 2:04 am | #

Ah man, I was trying to have a reasonable conversation with Batman and you guys have to go and get all up in his face and he's now gone back to the hostile Batman.

Damn.
RR | 11.13.05 - 2:05 am | #

Okay, batshit, you go stroke yourself now. Have fun.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 2:05 am | #

Fuck that asshole, batdung. What a fucking HOLE that dude is.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 2:06 am | #

Blind as a bat, you know. Masturbation will do that to you, batshit.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 2:08 am | #

Out trolled the troller. Sweet. My job's done here.
Anonymous | 11.13.05 - 2:10 am | #

Anonymous Asshole: Well, call me what you want but at least I'm here in name and I stand by it. You're just a pathetic coward chickenshit lower that a snakes rectum so don't spout your shit to me. You havn't earned the right.
Batman | 11.13.05 - 2:10 am | #

Right, your given name is Batman.

It's no different than anonymous. Get a clue.

I think Batman is a pansy ass white boy who is scared to death of the idea of a level playing field. Because on the inside, he thinks so little of himself, that without white privilege, and white male advantage, he's just real scared that he could never measure up or outdo anyone.

His behavior is so fear-based, and it's so obvious. Just about everything scares the hell out of him. The concept of true equality, and true freedom of expression and choices for everyone is just so threatening to him.

He has to control. He has to identify with the people in power. He has to be right. He has to be right. Cause he's just terrified of total failure otherwise.

He has nothing on the inside, to hold him up or make him strong. He's so dependent on the what's outside of him, so dependent on external validation, and that that validation makes him God like, and gives him the illusion of power, that he would crumble without it.

He's a sad, empty, dsyfunctional shell. A white male victim. One of the privileged who only has the material and illusion to live for. His life sucks, without the superficial and material, because no substance, and no connection to his own soul.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 2:20 am | #

Korry, have you ever seen this article?
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/ ...ganda1sep04.htm
RR | 11.13.05 - 2:56 am | #

batman they still trying to prove there selfs....Korry is an ass. Strawberry leaves her husband for defending his country. WHAT AN ASS HOLE. And the others are just dicks with ears. blabing like little gets with no proof to there lies!
Whiteman | 11.13.05 - 3:02 am | #

geez, i just wanna see if he looks drunk or not.
me | 11.13.05 - 3:17 am | #

Looks like Britains got the jump on us.

http://www.sundayherald.com/print52851

MPs organising the campaign to impeach Tony Blair believe they have enough support to force a highly damaging Commons investigation into the Prime Minister’≥ pre-war conduct.
A renewed attempt to impeach Blair over claims he misled parlia ment in making his case for war against Iraq, will be made in the Commons within the next two weeks.
=======================
We've got some catchin' up to do!
Alan | 11.13.05 - 3:20 am | #

you guys are like flyes on shit!
Whiteman | 11.13.05 - 3:57 am | #

whiteman is the fly. I'm the shit!
Batman | 11.13.05 - 4:54 am | #

Batman is the fly. I'm the shit!
Whiteman | 11.13.05 - 4:55 am | #

i think the Anonymous asshole is trying to fake are posts batman. but if the little black kid must play then let him its in there nature. Notice as he goes to racists comments about a white man. just proves my point. thank you Anonymous.
Whiteman | 11.13.05 - 6:53 am | #

zzzzzzz
mudkitty | 11.13.05 - 8:37 am | #

YES BATMAN YES THATS WHY A LIBERAL CAN GO ON A RIGHT WING BLOG AND EXPRESS JUST WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WITHOUT GETTING KICKED OFF HE HE NOT , THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN GO AND NOT GET KICKED BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT OPPINIONS IS HERE , IF YOUR BLOGS WERE DEMOCRATIC ENY ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST BUSH , SO ENJOY
tyree | 11.13.05 - 9:08 am | #

RUSSERT IS A REPUBLICAN ASSWIPE ,MELMANS A DWEEB AND SISSY MAN
tyree | 11.13.05 - 9:16 am | #

melman says were going to do what we should have been doing all along try to get bushes poll numbers back up , border security ha ha too late get gas prices back down he he sure the oil companys finaly got them down after they screwed us for 5 yrs and now only to get bush back up in the polls!!!! its a little late to be acting like your a real president bush , your in the crapper this time and were going to push the leaver by by mr turd
tyree | 11.13.05 - 9:32 am | #

why does enyone go on meet the press russert only slams every thing the democrats stand for hes just bushes whore?
tyree | 11.13.05 - 9:51 am | #

Go to CommonDreams.org. In the Headlines section, there is a truly amazing photo of BushBoy! Either he's praying really, really hard, wracking his pee-brain for the next lie to lay on the American People....or....he has a really, really, really BAD case of constipation! It's hysterical!
Scorpiowoman | 11.13.05 - 11:03 am | #

Good article, RR. Thanks.

Watch Out for the Bushevik Hail Mary Pass: It's Got FEAR -- At a Whole New Level -- Written All Over It

November 13, 1005

A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

Wasn't there a novel in the '60s, "I've Been Down So Long, It Looks Like Up To Me"? Well, that's kind of where the Busheviks are at.

Which should make us all worried. They are not going to go quietly into the night. At some point they are going to move beyond their dumpster diving attempts at re-invoking post 9-11 fear and throw a Hail Mary pass.

What devastating distraction do they have planned for us, the citizens of America for whom they have such contempt?

We can only hope that the Dems will continue to press the case for democracy and accountability. They've started showing signs of life. Let's hope that they don't go back into hibernation.

Democracy hangs in the balance.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 12:05 pm | #

From Wikipedia:

In America, the term crypto-fascist has been revived by some critics to describe the neoconservative movement, especially in reference to various national security measures taken after the September 11th attacks. Many conservatives consider the term offensive, and some have even called it hate speech.

The true haters accusing their critics of being the haters, ala haters like Batman and Whiteman. Denial? Or reaction formation?

Reaction formation is a defense mechanism in which anxiety-producing or unacceptable emotions are replaced by their direct opposites.

Blaming one's opponents for the very behavior that one manifests, themselves. Whatever it is, it's sick. And so obviouis, in wingnuts.
Korry | 11.13.05 - 12:17 pm | #

Wow, Batman is like so tough and macho. That certainly compensates for being terminally ignorant.
Korr

And for his tiny penis.
actor212 | Homepage | 11.13.05 - 12:45 pm | #

Sure Batman let's try again.

When Bill Clinton was president we had a substantial surplus in the treasury and no unending, unethical war whose fundamental premise was built on lies.

In just six years we have pissed away the only post WW II surplus we ever had and instead ran up the greatest deficit in history. All by a party that proposes to promote "fiscal responsibility." In reality what they promote is their shameless form of American imperialism under the guise of of "democracy". Small wonder the rest of the world rejects this phony policy, once you get past the veneer you see that in reality, the whole thing is self centered and self serving, not a righteous cause.

If trading surplus for unending deficits is your form of fiscal responsibility Batman, then your form of irresponsibility is truly scary. And we don't need your backward focused history lesson about Bill Clinton. Get in the present pal, not the past.

In reality though, I wonder why it is even worthwhile to have discussions with judgmental, prejudiced people like you. Since judgment, hate, and prejudice are your M.O. and not spiritually based principles, and your obvious intent is to spray your toxic waste you mistake as enlightened discussion over this site, nothing good will come of it. It's like the old saying goes, never get into a pissing match with a skunk.

I have many conservative friends and fortunately, I can have respectful and engaging discussions with them even though we don't agree politically.

Fortunately enough, people like you represent a tiny minority of the population even though your outsized egos tell you otherwise. Thus you understand why few sensible people would take you seriously other than for the annoyance factor, which is considerable.

So Batman, if you take delight in poisoning our dialogue with your irrational hate, looks like the problem is yours even though irresponsible people like you continue to blame others rather than uncover their true problem, which is the poison of prejudice, hate, and judgment in your soul. If you feel like you don't get any respect here, frankly you don't deserve it. Feel free to earn it like the rest of us do pal, no matter what your flaccid ego tells you. Respect is earned, not deserved. And as you sow, so shall ye reap. Welcome to harvest time, Batman.

If none of the foregoing makes sense to you, get off our site and go elsewhere. If it does, I trust you will do the right thing.

Our political commentary in this country is in the gutter partly because of toxic people like you and others that are so prejudiced and stiff and unbending. So feel free to do your part to lift us up, as the saying goes, discretion is the better part of valor. If you don't have the good sense to do what's right, feel free to do nothing instead.

You make the call, Batman.
unrepentant liberal | 11.13.05 - 2:53 pm | #

When bill clinton was presedent he screwed evrything up!

Student observes double standards at Winthrop

by Christine Byington
November 05, 2005

Black people at Winthrop will probably be angry. And I’m sure they will proclaim that Christine Byington doesn’t care about black people. If you care, however, you will read this thoughtfully.

To begin, I think it’s important to state a fact obvious to those who know me well. I don’t mean to implicate all blacks in this. I just have a problem with the belligerent ones who think we aren’t doing enough for them.

Hurricane Katrina brought back to the public attention the ongoing issue of race relations in America. The tragedy quickly shifted from concern for the people affected by the hurricane to the judgment that the federal government did not like black people. Obviously, the federal government has a vendetta against the blacks and chose not to respond to them quickly, right?

I guess we’re assuming that the many people of various ethnic backgrounds in the Bush administration don’t care about black people, either.

Today in the daily student announcements I saw the “Black Fact of the Week.” I did not have a problem with this in itself. Surely it is important for us to understand the contributions of black people in our lives. However, this is just one piece of an ever-complicating problem on campus.

In case you don’t know, there are quite a few groups on Facebook devoted to black people. Two in particular caught my attention: “Winthrop Does Not Like Black People” and “I Should’ve Went to a Blacker College.”

The first group describes itself as, “a group for people that agree that Winthrop is not a university for black people. Winthrop really doesn't try to do anything for blacks and black people has to work so hard to get things here.”

My main point with that description, being the amateur grammarian that I purport to be, is that the first step to “get things here” is to use proper English. To get what you want, you have to work hard. I don’t think this is a problem unique to black people. Everyone has to work hard in college.

I also wonder what they want. If anyone who is a member of that group would like to inform us what they want, then that would be super. My friends and I hypothesize that professors are equal opportunity dislikers. They don’t necessarily make things difficult for you because of your skin color or any other variable. They make things difficult because they can.

Seriously, though, what would you like Winthrop to do more of for you? I’m sure the administration would like to hear your options because they dedicate themselves to making Winthrop a positive learning environment. No, that was not a facetious comment.

The second group I mentioned begins its description with a simple question:

“Are u sick of not finding anyone good to do your hair without paying an arm and a leg? Do you ever see an HBCU's band and then hear the sorry Winthrop Pep Band and feel ashamed? Do you find yourself fleeing to other colleges just to enjoy a REAL homecoming (ex: football team)? Did you look around the first day of orientation and was like what the hell did I get myself into? Then you should have gone to a blacker college!”

I think this opinion I am about to write applies to everyone who complains for hours about Winthrop. If you hate the school so much, you have options. Namely, go ahead and go to another college. This Facebook group brings up the issue of having no football team at Winthrop. I don’t know about anyone else, but I knew Winthrop didn’t have a football team when I applied. Chances are you did too.

I have enjoyed many-a-comment in class about the plight of black people. Now, I understand taking pride in your heritage. However, it is just that-heritage. We no longer hose people in the streets. I’d say if you have the freedom to sit in a classroom and state those opinions, you’ve got it pretty well. I think the problem many people see with all the racially based arguments is that it seems those who argue the points are using past experience as present justification. They still think that the United States is a racist country and that the country isn’t doing enough for them.

I am a Republican and I definitely believe in the Republican-esque approach to achievement: Anyone can succeed in life if they try hard enough. Sure, there might have been many barriers to black success 40 years ago. However, it’s 2005. With the exception of a minority of businesses and perhaps universities, there are not many barriers to deal with anymore.

In fact, I think there has been a surge in specialized programs for people of various ethnic backgrounds. For example, I’ve been looking into summer research programs in psychology. I’ve noticed that most of the programs are limited to students of ill-represented groups (i.e., ethnic minorities). I am only half black and I don’t want to use that as my way to get into a program.

Ultimately, I think we need to achieve more equality. To be truly equitable, for example, we should offer programs that are specifically for whites. Yes, I just said that. I’m sure a lot of people just slammed the paper down and spouted a few expletives. But don’t you see the logic here? It can’t be a problem in one instance and not in another. Kids, that’s called a double standard.

This happens far too often, though. Some blacks are happy with the programs that benefit them. Once a similar program starts that is geared toward whites, all of a sudden the program becomes racist. Like a person I know once said, if an Association of Ivorites was established on campus, people would be up in arms.

We need only look at the case of a whites-only scholarship established at Roger Williams University last year. The group who sponsored the scholarship did so not out of racism but out of a desire to be fair.

Those who complain about the state of affairs tend to cite this desire for fairness. However, to be truly fair, we should offer such specialized opportunities for various groups in America. We should also offer White Facts of the Day and Hispanic Facts of the Day, among others.

I think it’s important to mention the groups on Facebook that are devoted to intelligent and articulate blacks. It’s somewhat disappointing when that is perceived as a surprise. I’m sure if you approached any of those people and asked them what people in their families or communities thought of them, you’d probably find a few who would tell you people didn’t like them.

Some in the black community frown upon black students succeeding in life. I think we have a problem when we need Facebook groups to highlight the articulate blacks on campus. While others are spending time complaining about the way things are, there are students at this school who are doing something about those problems.

A basic observation of people would show you that if you devote time to complaining about the way things are (Jesse Jackson), you don’t have as much time to devote to finding effective solutions.

To the angry black people who might be reading this column, understand that I do not mean ill will toward you. Basically, I’m the “safe” person to write this because I’m biracial. Know that there are many people on this campus who feel the same way I do but who do not want to air their opinions in the Johnsonian because, well, they are white.

I think it’s sad when some whites feel they must stifle their opinions because of the color of their skin. That must be what life was like for blacks in the 1950s.

The truth hurts and its time for whites to take a stand. Unlike the democrats who hate whites along with there wiggers.
Whiteman | 11.13.05 - 3:29 pm | #

Just because you are bi racial doesn't excuse you. While there is plenty of value in the idea of lifting oneself up and rejecting being a victim, the idea that just because it is 2005 means racism is history is extremely naive. It's still here, just more subtle. Do you think you would get a majority of African Americans to agree? Don't bet on it.

Your idea that we should define things along racial lines as a way of equalization is preposterous. You will be part of the problem you propose to cure, not the solution. Why would any right thinking person take this seriously unless their intention was to encourage racism?

As Dr. King said, what self centered people have torn down, other centered people can rebuild. It is time to stop focusing on the divisive issue of race and instead, focus on the common humanity which knows no race and ultimately unites us in common cause.
unrepentant liberal | 11.13.05 - 4:21 pm | #

DR.KING Was a comuniste. FBI has all kids of classified shit on him that will be declassified in 2008.

And to this day blacks are useing racism as a cruch. To get things that other races have to work hard to get.
And people are tired of it. Why is it that if Michael Steel a black sentor was called Uncle Tom And black on the outside but white within by STEVE GILORD A democratic Racist towards whites. But not one word to defend michael from the NAACP or BLACK CILKUS LEADERS?????BECAUSE THE MAN ACTS TO WHITE....THESE so called civil rights groups are racists like the KKK there is no diference but race. And they use racism to take advantage of whites. And this is not going on anymore cause my message is getting through.
unrepentant liberal you are also a racist just like the group you are part of.
Whiteman | 11.13.05 - 6:48 pm | #

I'll have the last words here...
FarLeftRage | 11.13.05 - 7:57 pm | #

...instead of some idiot troll.
FarLeftRage | 11.13.05 - 8:02 pm | #

you are what you say and idiot indeed.
The New World Order | 11.13.05 - 8:40 pm | #

What's a cilkus? Yea, let's talk about who the biggest idiot on this thread is.
Korry | 11.14.05 - 4:04 pm | #

dr. king was a communist huh, well if talking about equal rights, and stopping injustice is what communism is about than sign me up,

whiteman

do you think rosa parks was a terrorist?

do you think unions are the devils work?
ian | 11.14.05 - 5:46 pm | #

do you think alligators are aunorey because they have too many teeth?
ian | 11.14.05 - 5:47 pm | #

Isn't if funny when a racist wingnut moron spews hate and ignorance, and anyone confronts it or disagrees with it, then that's "liberal" rage?

Double speak, double dip-shit talk, for real.

Up is down, black is white, lies are truth.
Korry | 11.14.05 - 6:59 pm | #

Hey fucking troll, I have your IP and your geographical location....
Once I find you, you'll know the meaning of my name...
FarLeftRage | 11.14.05 - 7:51 pm | #

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