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ftrwdr | 12.02.05 - 12:18 am | #

seriously though, this shit is funny:

donville.com
fletcher Murdoch | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 12:19 am | #

Congrats Jane!
Alvord | 12.02.05 - 12:24 am | #

This looks like a smoking gun to me.

(Notice I didn't say 'mushroom cloud'.)
cosmic american | 12.02.05 - 12:27 am | #

This looks like the blood of Christ to me: Donville.com
fletcher Murdoch | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 12:28 am | #

Someone please take that woman's Theaurus and hide it!
risa87 | 12.02.05 - 12:36 am | #

Tina Brown? Did she ever get Gilligan?
Anonymous | 12.02.05 - 12:39 am | #

Forget the fact checking. Tina fired her fact checker for wearing Prada instad of Ralph Lauren.
Gabba | 12.02.05 - 12:57 am | #

"Mainstream Media are trapped in the pincer assaults of the fact-free ethical anarchy of the blogosphere..."

The FCC regulated media is having it's problems dealing with competition from the blogs, because the truth becomes important in winning arguments in a competitive environment. I think the Washing Post and New York Times should reexaming the concept of ethics in light that both of these papers consist of journelists embedded within the administration.
Anonymous | 12.02.05 - 1:21 am | #

Tina Brown's elitist sanctimony is part and parcel why the blogs exist: to lasso people like her pontificating in their ivory towers and, with a violent yank, letting the laws of gravity take over as it pulls them all back down to Planet Letdown with audible thud.

She's clearly flapping her yap because she knows damn well that the Libby trial isn't just a trial on leaking a CIA NOC but a trial that also puts the noose on both our own outsourced employees of the multinational corporations (e.g. politicians) and the MSM itself (which the multinational corporations own as well after having usurped them away from the people via deregulation).

It's got her scared her shitless.
Sizemore | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 1:22 am | #

Jane H. ROCKS!!

All hail firedoglake!
Thesaurus Rex | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 1:30 am | #

"Tina Brown's elitist sanctimony is part and parcel why the blogs exist."

I think why the blogs exist is a more general reason - namely, since the mainstream media doesn't want to tell the truth, since the mainstream media consists of reporters embedded within the government, and since they would like us to focus on runaway brides raking leaves instead of important issues, that has created a vacuum that blogs are filling.
Anonymous | 12.02.05 - 1:35 am | #

I bet Rove lied to the GJ that a notation somewhere re: "Novak" was Viveca and not Bob. He had to change it after v novak called him on it
total info | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 1:36 am | #

How did this woman ever get a career in journalism? Her writing is deplorable!
LJ/Aquaria | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 1:38 am | #

Tina Brown, that is. NOT Jane!
LJ/Aquaria | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 1:39 am | #

The BIGGEST problem MSM has with bloggers is that together, a network of citizens can glean MORE info than these "professional" journalists. AND we do it all for free.

It REALLY pisses them off.

Remember this, the golden age of blogging- I was here back in the ad-free days of the net-. Fifteen years ago when it was all pure uncut..

this is the Golden age of the blog. Pretty soon we WILL NOT have this forum.

It gives WAY too much power to the citizens. They don't like that.

They don't like it one bit.

Enjoy it while we have it.
fade | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 2:02 am | #

Tina Brown missed an amazing point in her editorial. Why do you think Bobby is a "stenographer"?
Taylor Marsh | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 2:04 am | #

We'll simply invent another forum when they finally take out blogs.
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 2:04 am | #

True, Stan, true. But how long will it take? How long has it been since REGULAR joes were more powerful than the corporate media ..? Ever?
fade | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 2:08 am | #

ummm... not that I consider myself "regular" or anything
fade | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 2:08 am | #

I think we have many, many years left.
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 2:10 am | #

lets hope = As long as we rabidly protect it with the braintrust of All American Bloggers working together to protect our ability, I don't think they can stop it.
fade | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 2:12 am | #

But then again, there goes my weird idealistic streak- believing that Americans, right/left rethug/Democrap librul/servative can work together.
fade | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 2:13 am | #

I think we have many, many years left.
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 2:51 am | #

fade's right about the historical pattern. Here's the latest shot across the bow.

It isn't a given, though. The internet is disruptive enough that there are plenty of new corners. Perhaps blogs are only good for another year, perhaps longer. But once they become assimilated, and they will -- it's inevitable -- something else will spring up to replace them.
internet dinosaur | 12.02.05 - 3:04 am | #

"Mainstream media are trapped in the pincer assaults of the fact-free ethical anarchy of the blogosphere."
Tina Brown

Uh, no, Tina.

Here's what's unethical. Front-page headlines about election fraud in Ukraine, with photos of 200,000 people protesting in the streets of Kiev, meanwhile ignoring the issue of election fraud in the United States...worse, calling those who claim fraud "conspiracy theorists." The New York Times did exactly this.

Here's what else is unethical. Robert Woodward keeping material information in a criminal investigation to himself, either because he personally didn't approve of the investigation, for selfish professional reasons, or to protect wrongdoers inside the Bush administration (pick one or more).

Here's what else is unethical. Reporters claiming that their need to protect sources assures the public of its right to know the truth, when in fact Judy Miller and Robert Woodward protected sources who were motivated by the exact opposite, i.e., wanting to keep the truth from the public.

Bloggers are often careless. Their claims are sometimes reckless. But ethically, I'll take the average blogger over the average reporter any day of the week. Good night, Tina.
Robert Lockwood Mills | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 3:33 am | #

That Tina Brown should go chew on a combat boot or something, or maybe a big dong. What a desperate media whore. Her TV show on MSNBC bombed and her power and prestige in the Manhattan "elite", as well as her husband's, has waned. She is desperate. A notorious asshat bitch so they say. She's desperate.
impeachthechimp | 12.02.05 - 5:00 am | #

What's Pajamas Mediocre got to do with this?
Anastasia Beaverhausen | 12.02.05 - 6:46 am | #

For a different view of Bob Woodward's handling of the Plame Affair, people in the DC area might been interested in seeing Patrick Gavin of fishbowlDC discussing it in person at DC Drinking Liberally next Thursday, December 8.
KCinDC | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 7:09 am | #

Brown just like my asshole
Fitzmas | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 7:44 am | #

One additional aspect:

The MSM is finding itself "offshored".
After years of glib analysis of "free trade", isn't it ironic now that they are feeling the effect! Inferior product
(lying) is catching up!

And of course they take a play from the
master's playbook: accuse the opposition of your own crime!
pedro | 12.02.05 - 7:47 am | #

I'm reminded of Bastile Day. The media aristocracy is walking around stunned that information is no longer their exclusive domain, and that people outside of their rarified air can call them to account. It happened while they weren't looking, and it continued to happen while they poopooed the whole internet thing, and then the whole blogger thing, and they're still trying to poopoo it now. Kind of like when Frank Sinatra said he hated the Beatles.
mudkitty | 12.02.05 - 8:20 am | #

Off topic and spamming

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Jane Fletcher | 12.02.05 - 8:42 am | #

"Fact-free"?
WTF?
Here in Canuckistan, I started reading this Blog (C/L)to find out what the hell is ACTUALLY going on in your country ... If I depended
on the silage that spews out between
drug commercials on the 'nightly news'
I'd be lost.

Dont forget:
'The whole world is watching'
nuck | 12.02.05 - 8:47 am | #

Where the hell did this Tina learn to write English? She should sue them for not teaching her even the basic foundamentals.
Terrible | 12.02.05 - 8:49 am | #

Hey Fletcher, you're off topic! Why IS that?
mudkitty | 12.02.05 - 9:12 am | #

Off topic deleted:

"Someone please take that woman's Theaurus and hide it!"

That was funny!
C&L | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 10:47 am | #

Tina Brown says in her column on Washington Post "the fact-free ethical anarchy of the blogosphere". This is generally just not true. According to The Massachusetts Library Association and their studies about the blogs they come up with this;

*34% primarily blog to be seen as an authority in their field.
*63% believe blogs are the most trustworthy source of product information.

*Over 98% take steps to correct factually incorrect portions of a blog post.

*Over 80% prefer to receive information from non-executives.

*Blog readers increased with 58% under 2004.

*. 31 mil read a blog.
*Blogs of individual employees are considered more trustworthy than blogs endorsed by a corporation
New Sweden | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 11:25 am | #

THIS IS THE END OF THE ROVE, NEOCONS.
Rodimus Prime | 12.02.05 - 1:14 pm | #

I think that Tina Brown who writes for the Washington Post is going through the same gymnastics that MoDo went through with Judy Miller. MoDo avoided the issue for seemingly ever. I don't blame Tina Brown for still believing in Woodward. She'll come around.
CSears | 12.02.05 - 4:41 pm | #

No way could Bob Woodward think the Plame info he got was unimportant, insignificant and just idle gossip. One of the fact-free blogs listed the stories being written by the WaPo and Pincus during that same time period about Joe Wilson that indicated this was becoming a major story. Wish I could find it. I'd send it to Ms Tina Brown.
roberto | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 6:38 pm | #

I think why the blogs exist is a more general reason - namely, since the mainstream media doesn't want to tell the truth ...

No, they want to tell the truth, but only their version of it. From up there high atop their corporate ivory towers. They want to have all the perks of journalism (the fame, fortune, notoriety, glits, and glamour) without a single drop of responsibility. It's the "Less Work - More Benefits" model and their lack of determination and a "work ethic" shows. They're lazy and are only willing to go so far in fullfilling the demands of their job. Do you remember ABC's "The Note" once saying that they don't put much focus and resources on Iraq because "it's just too hard"? Speaks volumes - continuity and consistancy is "not on their contract" and thus not present in their reportage. As a result, a few million ordinary Joe and Jane Sixpacks got fed up and are filling those voids via their blogs. We bloggers are the "Johnny Come Lately"'s that the MSM feels should just go away and know our place.
Sizemore | Homepage | 12.02.05 - 7:02 pm | #

Weblog Ergo Sum Bambina
Rene Descartes | 12.02.05 - 8:33 pm | #

"I believe Woodward when he says he didn't think the leak he heard about Valerie Plame's job was important at the time."--

Mmm.... but "at the time" was two years ago. There's been an earth-shaking investigation going on between "at the time" and now; and Bob Woodward has taken the time out from his busy book-writing schedule to appear on many talking heads shows during that interim period to comment upon the case.

He knew, very shortly after "at that time" that Valerie Plame's job had become very important.
Wren | 12.02.05 - 10:23 pm | #

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