Oh, good. I was just going to ask around for this.
Maenad | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 3:23 pm | #

Strawberry-flavored goodness!
Batocchio | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 3:24 pm | #

ed shultz just played in on his talk show, wooow, finaly some reporsters are waiking up, and they dont even work for comedy central!!
sean parsian | 05.04.06 - 3:26 pm | #

From a post I left on a thread further down, just to put it into the right topic area:

Radical leftist ex-CIA employees are not as rare as one might suppose. Several of them in fact have banded together to form the “Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity”. This was founded by one Ray McGovern, who once worked in the CIA’s Russian desk before the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, and claims his group now contains 35 disgruntled ex-employees who left the Agency. William (“Bill”) Christison was a member of its “steering committee”, and his wife Kathleen a rank and file member.

From an article called CIA Renegades

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Arti...le.asp? ID=19643
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 3:31 pm | #

You can't stop the signal. ~ Mr. Universe, Serenity

Good catch, SB.
Gregory | 05.04.06 - 3:34 pm | #

Yeah I just heard it on Air America radio minutes ago. Amazing, Rumsfeld uses the troops scapegoat to wiggle out of that one!
Giovanny | 05.04.06 - 3:35 pm | #

Yeah but Gio, that CIA agent whacked it right back.
Strawberrybitch | 05.04.06 - 3:37 pm | #

I'm sure Rum-Dumb just had a blank stare at the question and then went on to lie and lie like all good Repugs. do best.
Limpballs | 05.04.06 - 3:41 pm | #

Geez, the blond bimbette on CNN just white washed the whole scene. What a surprise.
Strawberrybitch | 05.04.06 - 3:41 pm | #

The spokesman for VIPS is Raymond McGovern, a retired CIA analyst. McGovern's email is also at CounterPunch. He is giving a briefing today with Rep. Dennis Kucinich. McGovern has compared the Iraq war to Vietnam, even saying that it could lead to nuclear war. He has charged that if WMDs are found in Iraq, they may well have been planted. He believes Tenet's job is safe because if Tenet were fired, he would reveal that the White House ignored intelligence warnings pre-9/11. McGovern has urged CIA analysts to illegally release classified documents to show what he believes to be true, specifically citing Daniel Ellsberg.

Still digging...
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 3:42 pm | #

http://www.sourcewatch.org/ index...nals_for_Sanity
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 3:43 pm | #

I watched it LIVE baby! It was beautiful. McGovern skewered that silly little bitch Rumsfeld.

McGovern's articles are featured quite a bit at antiwar.com. He's a well known and well-respected critic of these assholes there and elsehwere.

So I must wonder, does the WH plant people in the audience to quickly ask completely lame follow-up questions to try to blunt the impact of the kind of ass-fucking that Rumsfeld just got? The next questioner right after McGovern was some tool who asked what his childhood was like to make him the man he is today. Gag barf fart.

Unreal.

I'm convinced that the only thing that will get these mutants out of power is guns. Lots of guns.
Sellam Ismail | 05.04.06 - 3:45 pm | #

http://www.motherjones.com/news/.../03/ 03_400.html

A March, 2004 interview with Ray McGovern (includes photograph of him as well.)
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 3:46 pm | #

Right here:

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Finally, weapons of mass destruction. Key goal of the military campaign is finding those weapons of mass destruction. None have been found yet. There was a raid on the Answar Al-Islam Camp up in the north last night. A lot of people expected to find ricin there. None was found. How big of a problem is that? And is it curious to you that given how much control U.S. and coalition forces now have in the country, they haven't found any weapons of mass destruction?

SEC. RUMSFELD: Not at all. If you think -- let me take that, both pieces -- the area in the south and the west and the north that coalition forces control is substantial. It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

Second, the [audio glitch] facilities, there are dozens of them, it's a large geographic area. It is the -- Answar Al-Islam group has killed a lot of Kurds. They are tough. And our forces are currently in there with the Kurdish forces, cleaning the area out, tracking them down, killing them or capturing them and they will then begin the site exploitation. The idea, from your question, that you can attack that place and exploit it and find out what's there in fifteen minutes.
Dover Bitch | 05.04.06 - 3:47 pm | #

Why won't Bush accept his resignation already? Bush puts loyalty over performance
janetoria | 05.04.06 - 3:48 pm | #

A taster for the above listed interview. Ray McGovern rocks. Bigtime.

MJ.com: Why are you speaking out like this?

RM: Because there is no English word to describe our outrage. We've been watching this for a year now, and we've published eleven memos on what the Bush administration has done. We're just aghast at what we saw all during 2002.

We have never seen anything like this orchestrated campaign, as the Administration chose to play on America's real suffering and trauma to sell an illegal and unnecessary war.

MJ.com: In light of what's gone on recently, what is your group's feeling now about our intelligence capabilities and how intelligence is being used?

RM: The intelligence process is broken, really broken. This is, in terms of the immediate problem, the only thing that the President is right about -- it is a dangerous world out there. He's helped make it so, but it is very dangerous, and there is an intelligence process here that has been prostituted and battered around.
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 3:49 pm | #

What a terrific story this group has to tell. May it ring out as rich and loud as the Liberty Bell!

Nonny-
Great article catch. Where did you find such a creepy, kool-aid peddling, wingnut site? The article is a scary look into a phsychotic, fear-filled, delusional mind. You should provide a disclaimer when posting that kind of journey into the 'dark side' of a wingnut's paranoia.

Frank in Phoenix-
As you can tell from my comment to nonny mouse above, I'm a proud, unapologetic liberal veteran. You and I probably don't agree on much of anything ideologically speaking but I call you brother for standing against war. (Even if it's just this war you're against. I'll call any one friend who stands up for peace of any kind. I'm bookmarking your blog.
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 3:49 pm | #

I hope John gets the whole video, MSNBC has a litle blurb about one protester, NO MENTION OF THE CIA AGENT! And apparently there was also a fourth protester that simply turned his/her? back to Rummy. Four! CNN is showing an abridged version.
Strawberrybitch | 05.04.06 - 3:49 pm | #

Saw this on D.U. this morning:

http://www.airfarceone.net/ bigpu...ubstickers.html

time 4 them to go
janetoria | 05.04.06 - 3:52 pm | #

Nonny, I posted something about this in a lower thread.

If you have the chance, Robert Greenwald has used Ray McGovern in at least one, if not two, of his documentaries:

http://www.robertgreenwald.org/docs.php

Ray was also one of the featured speakers at John Conyer's Downing Street Memo meeting.

I'm amazed that he got through security, given his very public stance against this administration.
RR | 05.04.06 - 3:55 pm | #

I see Valerie Plame is shopping a new book

I'm shocked!!
John H | 05.04.06 - 3:56 pm | #

Wow, RR I never thought about that. It's an out right war between the CIA and the White House. Some one is going to be in BIG TROUBLE!
Strawberrybitch | 05.04.06 - 3:59 pm | #

Nate - er, which one? I think I posted half a dozen links, but if it's the CIA Renegade one, yeah, I should have put in the disclaimer that it's from a rather right of centre site. Still had some good info, though.
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 3:59 pm | #

Wha-haaa? Rush transcript, anyone? Please?
The Witch | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:00 pm | #

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS...d.ap/ index.html
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 4:01 pm | #

StrawBB - Um, there's been a 'war' between the CIA (and the FBI) and the White House for quite some time now. Believe it or not, a LOT of people in the CIA and the FBI are genuinely the Good Guys, doing a job for idealistic reasons. But ever since the Bushes, particularly since the Mini-Me version came to power, it's been a struggle between those who honestly are doing their very best to keep the country and her people safe, and a delusional, paranoid White House that wants reality to conform to fantasy; and when it doesn't, who have they scapegoated for the 'failure'?

The CIA and the FBI.

It didn't help any that some of the military interrogators in Abu Graib torturing people claimed they were FBI when they weren't, either.

These guys don't like getting shit on any more than anyone else does. Difference is... they can do something about it. I know who I'm rooting for.
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 4:05 pm | #

Strawberry, there truly has been antagonism between the CIA and the White House since the beginning...but it definitely gotten worse during this administration.

It hasn't been widely reported but there were an awful lot of senior CIA careerists who have left in protest of this administration's desire to have intelligence fit their ideology.
RR | 05.04.06 - 4:05 pm | #

http://exposetheleft.com has it.
Don | 05.04.06 - 4:06 pm | #

Here you go:

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story...860980& nav=9qrx
getalife | 05.04.06 - 4:06 pm | #

Anony, NO MENTION OF THE CIA AGENT! Ohhh! Media black out!!!!
Strawberrybitch | 05.04.06 - 4:06 pm | #

War plan was photo-op for Bush with invasion as backdrop:

Here is my comments the other day on Larry Johnson's article on Talking Points Meno:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/2941...e/ 29413#comment
Delusional at The American Spectator
By Larry Johnson


On May 2, 2006 - 11:56am EasyRider said:
Thanks Daniel, I think the whole war plan was laid out as photo-ops for the American public to be covered by the media. My opinion is based on the "What did they know" and "When did they know it."

The administration wanted the greatest photo-op a war could bring. Everything this administration has done has been done for photo-ops and not for effective management or leadership, but for the image of being competent judged on the photo-op. Every opportunity available has been exploited to max for the Public Relation image of the administration. Every person where the president goes is checked out before he shows up. Every step is plan. The photo-op on the pile of Dead at ground-zero was staged down to being told stand on that pile, who the fireman with the blow horn is and where he will be, and to take the blow horn from the fireman. But back to the war plan based on the information that is coming out now the whole thing was a stage for Bush to play Commander-in-Chief with the whole invasion force as a backdrop.

[deleted--too long]


On May 2, 2006 - 12:15pm EasyRider said:
I wonder how Mrs. David Bloom and NBC feels about finding out that the Chem suit that everyone was ordered to wear was not necessary and was known to the White House administration. Was their lost, and ours, another wrongful death?

Demand the Truth for America

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Site Monitor: please link and just provide a sentence or two so that readers can find it.

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EasyRider | 05.04.06 - 4:07 pm | #

There was a teaser on CNN. Wolf Blitzer is going to talk about it in a few minutes. He said they are going to find what Rummy said before the war.

Word will can back to haunt you.
Coyote Blitzer | 05.04.06 - 4:09 pm | #

That headline makes it sound like a bar fight is about to start.
ysbaddaden | 05.04.06 - 4:11 pm | #

Nonny-
The first article you posted in this thread. Frontpagemage.com. Hardcore, ultra-right site. While reading that I felt on a journey inside the mind of a paranoid right-wing fascist. This line:

Radical leftist ex-CIA employees are not as rare as one might suppose.

If you read through the entire thing, this guy has convinced himself that the CIA has a sterling history of purely noble and humanitarian work and the only thing 'wrong' with it is "Radical Leftists" who are still there. Read deeper into the article and this site in general and it's right out of Germany circa 1936.

Ewww...

RR-
I'm amazed that he got through security, given his very public stance against this administration.

He's a 27-year ex-CIA agent from Russia specialty in the heart of the cold war. Something tells me he's a man with what's called "Statecraft" in the intelligence community. A man like this decides he wants to do something like this. Making it happen is the easy part. Robert Ludlum made a great living writing about such people.
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:12 pm | #

http:// images1.americanprogress....rum.320.240.mov

It'll make your blood boil.
Patrick Dean | 05.04.06 - 4:12 pm | #

http:// images1.americanprogress....rum.320.240.mov

Here it is!!!!
Wordchaser | 05.04.06 - 4:14 pm | #

You can watch it right now on ThinkProgress.

http:// images1.americanprogress....rum.320.240.mov


But its kinda crappy. I'm sure a better version will be up here on C&L soon.
Americancer | 05.04.06 - 4:14 pm | #

Think Progress has a transcript up.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05...eld-called-out/

CNN confirmed it was Ray McGovern
Gryn | 05.04.06 - 4:15 pm | #

sellam ishmial your right its going to take guns and guts to get rid of this trash thats seized power here by the rape of our vote system foeceing diebold on its citizens , butt thrusts and bayonets baby!
tyree | 05.04.06 - 4:15 pm | #

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05...eld-called-out/
moonbat-bri | 05.04.06 - 4:15 pm | #

Today's Rumsfeld video is up on Thinkprogress.org.
TC | 05.04.06 - 4:15 pm | #

Colbert on Saturday and protesters at Rumsfeld's speech today. The administration is beginning to realize it can't control us. It's biggest fear realized.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:16 pm | #

Aloha, my man.

Feels like the wheels are coming off the cart for this administration, doesn't it?

Makes me nervous that there will be some "distraction" foisted upon us so that we will forget it...
RR | 05.04.06 - 4:19 pm | #

The fact that protestors are forceably removed demonstrates why Colbert's routine received such a strong reaction. Freedom of Speech in the U.S. has been stifled. Colbert had a platform to deliver a critique and he used it.
Lilly | 05.04.06 - 4:19 pm | #

"Let him stay one second?"
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:19 pm | #

RR... Wait til the impact of what Cheney said about Russia today hits home!

This is the unraveling... And we're coming up on the dog days. Hard times are ahead but light waits on the other side for those willing to seek it. To fight for it...
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:21 pm | #

Hi RR
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:21 pm | #

Hi Nate
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:22 pm | #

Wow what a video!
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:22 pm | #

What a Patriot!
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:22 pm | #

Aloha xoites...
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:23 pm | #

video here:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05...eld-called-out/
Truantduck | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:23 pm | #

"The Colbert Effect"

It's sweeping the nation. Go thank him...
http://thankyoustephencolbert.or....org/wordpress/


Don't Mention Tuesday | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:23 pm | #

Well done Mr McGovern, Rummy and the rest of the administration liars better get used the truth, cause it's a new era a coming!
VP | 05.04.06 - 4:23 pm | #

Nate - yeah, that's the one. I should have prefaced it with a warning, I suppose. Still, it's interesting that with all the hydrophobic rightwing rant, there was really not that much damage they could do to the credibility of these guys, even in their own blog. They ended up sounding like the crazies, not their 'targets'.

And it's always interesting to keep an eye on what your enemy is thinking. I rather enjoy dipping into the cesspool once in awhile - keeps you fit and alert if you can't see the mutant alligators for all the sewage being pumped into in the swamp.
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 4:23 pm | #

Seems the administration is not doing such a good job vetting it's audiences.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:24 pm | #

Hey, Xoites. I spoke with Eman yesterday. Bummed to hear you missed each other.

You're right, Nate. Dog days ahead.
RR | 05.04.06 - 4:25 pm | #

If they would stop lying they wouldn't have to remember the lies and get caught inevitably. The neocons have not figured out that they are on film with all the outrageous stories they told. Too bad the audience does not hold these fools accountable when a brave soul speaks up. Would it not be great if during one of these exchanges the rest of the audience stood up and made him answer?
Cathy | 05.04.06 - 4:25 pm | #

Here's the McGovern-Rummy audio clip.

http://www.wegoted.com/dailyAudi...Audio/ index.asp
sobanos | 05.04.06 - 4:26 pm | #

Rummy "We know where the weapons are. They are around Tikrit and Baghdad and North, South, East, and West around there."

He boxed the compass around Baghdad. Yeah, radiating out on those cardinal compass points are WMD, somewhere.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 4:30 pm | #

Rumsfeld only had one flash of truth in that clip, and it was an epiphany of truth. He said, "I'm not in the intelligence business."

NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!!!

And what was that bullshit about the troops wearing chemical suits? Why did they wear them? Because cocksuckers like Rumsfeld guaranteed them that they would be attacked by chemical weapons, that's why!! That was the least thought-out retort I've heard in years. What a dumb-ass.

Bush shouldn't have to accept his resignation. The fucker should be forcibly removed.
screwedrus | 05.04.06 - 4:30 pm | #

I am with RR. These people are NOT just going to lamely walk away from what they've started.

They must have something unimaginable up their sleeves.
scott | 05.04.06 - 4:31 pm | #

http://exposetheleft.com/

Has the video I believe.
Convert | 05.04.06 - 4:31 pm | #

"So I must wonder, does the WH plant people in the audience to quickly ask completely lame follow-up questions to try to blunt the impact of the kind of ass-fucking that Rumsfeld just got? " -Sellam Ismail



you are referring to the gannon-strategy. so, to answer your question, yes they do. this is also none to some as the guckert technique.
Samson- | 05.04.06 - 4:33 pm | #

it shows that the riechwing furor lovers will silence anyone searching for the truths ,the nazis are alive and well only this time they are not wearing jackboots ,thier suits and shirts are donned with thoes nice little made in china tin american flags instead of the swastika, cheney and the isreali mossad did 911 and now they have created a wall of fear and silence ,the mafia would be proud of the criminals who are leading us down the road to complete ruination! its bad enough that we have leaders who allowed along with participated in the destruction of the towers and attacks on two targets in dc , were screwed , if these thugs went to all the trouble to set 911 up what makes anyone believe your going to eradicate them at the ballot???? they dont care what you think, and thier not going to leave!!!!! your bloods going to be on thier hands next if they feel your a threat to thier thievery and murder!
tyree | 05.04.06 - 4:34 pm | #

Let me guess how CNN will play this. They will mention that some 'protestor' asked Rumsfeld a question then seque into some inane BS story. After today, you'll never hear another word about this, just like Colbert's speech, as it is far more important taht we get constant updates on the Natalie Holloway case instead.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 4:36 pm | #

J.C. Watts is on CNN with Blitzer, and Paul Begala. Watts is slimy enough to be the White House Press Secretary, if he told me it was raining I would have to go outside and check before I would believe him.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 4:36 pm | #

Samson-, quick answer...32% = "BACKWASH"


Don't Mention Tuesday | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:37 pm | #

Convert - thanks. It's from a rightwing site, unfortunately, so they've ended it 'conveniently' at the Zarqawi comments. Still, he did look rather uncomfortable; when you don't get asked those kinds of questions, it's not that easy to just riff it off the cuff.
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 4:38 pm | #

It was nice of rummy to tell the gestapo to let him stay.

Now i'm getting confused.

Is this America anymore?

Its time to start SHOUTING.

SOCK IT TO ME!
TM | 05.04.06 - 4:38 pm | #

You can hear the clapping of "the great backwashed" when he lies.
srgtick | 05.04.06 - 4:39 pm | #

Help replace Rummy by replacing his boss!

Elect 15 new Democrats to the House so we can impeach the bums.

DFA has just announced their newest DFA-List candidates and it contains 3 great Democratic women amongst whom is my candidate Kirsten Gillibrand. Winning these 3 seats would go a long way to ensuring we gain the 15 seats necessary to take back control of the House.
Andrew C. White | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:40 pm | #

Just watched the video. I don't know what is worse, Rummy's lying or the idiots in the crowd who applaud him.
Gregory | 05.04.06 - 4:41 pm | #

Rummy let McGovern stay for a bit, how gracious of him. Did you see Rummy glancing at the camera, he knew the world was watching and he if had the guy thrown out too soon he would look like a Nazi.

How did McGovern get into the meeting? I didn't think that Minister of Propaganda allowed real people in the Potemkin Villages.
Eighty Six | 05.04.06 - 4:42 pm | #

MORE MORE MORE

We need more of this. More people to stand up and ask the REAL questions that we've been trained to think are "unfair" or "inappropriate". WRONG. This is supposed to be a Democracy. Maybe if enough of the People do this, the press might wake up and follow.
SteveK | 05.04.06 - 4:44 pm | #

Gregory, did you see the whole video, even the part about the non-sequitor answer? Like I said in the Biden thread, The Colbert Effect!! A cascade of really pissed of Americans!
Strawberrybitch | 05.04.06 - 4:46 pm | #

I actually have to give Rumsfeld some credit for letting McGovern speak. That being said, McGovern is completely right, and demolishes every one of Rumsfeld's assertions. Rumsfeld, like all the power players in the Bush administration, has to be incompetent, a liar, or ill-informed, although I suspect it's a patented, special blend of the three.
Batocchio | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:47 pm | #

Listen to the next question after Mr. McGovern...

The clip cuts it off, but it's just another loyalist softball.

Also, while Wolf stated that "Rumsfeld asked that he be allowed to stay,"

The truth is

Rumsfeld said : "[no, no,] let him say one second."

Also note some woman says "you're an idiot" to the man after he says "c'mon, these people aren't idiots."


Donald Rumsfeld, douchebag
Andrew | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:47 pm | #

Whoops. Pissed OFF Americans. As opposed to being the pissed on for the past five years.
Strawberrybitch | 05.04.06 - 4:48 pm | #

Seems to me like Rummy and the rest really are delusional and believe that they do indeed "create thier own reality". One wonders if the 25th Amendment is applicable here.
Jeffersonian Patriot | 05.04.06 - 4:48 pm | #

I actually have to give Rumsfeld some credit for letting McGovern speak.

Do you really believe Rumsfeld's reaction would have been the same if the cameras were not there?
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 4:48 pm | #

Scary how the newscasters poo-pooed the protestors at the beginning --, "and as usual..."
Biggus Diggus | 05.04.06 - 4:50 pm | #

I wish 60 minutes or 20/20, etc would do a segment on the people whose job it is to fill up venues with loyalists while doing everything possible to keep dissenters (the true voice of America) out.

:::
Andrew | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:51 pm | #

Spread it far and wide! RUMSFELD CAUGHT IN WMD LIE!

RUMSFELD CAUGHT IN WMD LIE!

RUMSFELD CAUGHT IN WMD LIE!

RUMSFELD CAUGHT IN WMD LIE!

RUMSFELD CAUGHT IN WMD LIE!

RUMSFELD CAUGHT IN WMD LIE!

Sorry, but I was left shaking when I saw this. I really want every Republican in the country to see this lie.

Thanks John Amato
Thom | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:52 pm | #

I saw it on http://www.thinkprogress.org/

At least someone's doing some hard questioning. It sure isn't MSM.
WoW | 05.04.06 - 4:52 pm | #

Wow, that fawning follow-up question was somethin' else...
Ranchero | 05.04.06 - 4:53 pm | #

My god people. If former and current members of the freaking cia (with their history) are willing to stand up to the administration, what the hell is the country waiting for? "Illegal immigrants" and the ex members of the cia are now more activist than the vast majority of the US public. Ironic don't you think?
yo | 05.04.06 - 4:53 pm | #

The really scary parts of this video are the dip shits booing the hecklers and Mr McGovern yet the liar just goes on shoveling it to them and they keep slurping it up.
VP | 05.04.06 - 4:57 pm | #

I had to blog about this one... This needs to get out far and wide.

Convert - Thanks for posting this on your blog. This kind of video cuts through the fog of even the strongest of Kool-Aid. Getting it out to your "readership" is a huge boon for liberal recruiting. You Rock!
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 4:58 pm | #

YOU CAN HEAR THE S.S. IN THE BACKGROUND TRYING TO ESCORT HIM OFF!!!

Listen closely, right after McGovern says: "those are your own words."

The ss says, I'd like you to come with me...if you don't i'll give you a good belt.

McGovern then asks: "This is America"?

Then the crowd erupts in baglapping at its finest by clapping their hands in support of Rummy.
sean | 05.04.06 - 4:59 pm | #

When Rumsfeld said, 'I'm not in the intelligence business', Ray McGovern did let a golden opportunity slip by to say, 'Well, I've spent 28 years in the intelligence business, and briefed Presidents on intelligence business, so I may know just slightly more about it than you, in that case.'

He did fine anyway, just a quibble. I only hope he doesn't get 'edited' into oblivion by that liberal biased media of ours...
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 4:59 pm | #

Well, nonny what did I tell you, that guy was BRILLIANT!
Strawberrybitch | 05.04.06 - 5:01 pm | #

Mr. McGovern is NOT a "hecker". The word to describe him is "patriot."
Publicus | 05.04.06 - 5:03 pm | #

here's the second half....

Rumsfeld: You're getting plenty of play, sir

McGovern: I'd just like an honest answer.

Rumsfeld: I'm giving it to you.

McGovern: We're talking about lies and your allegation that there was bulletproof evidence of ties between Al Queda and iraq, was that a lie or were you mislead?

Rumsfeld: zarqawi was in baghdad during the prewar period, that is a fact.

zarqawi? he was in the north of iraq in a place where Saddam Hussein had no rule ..

Rumsfeld: He was also in baghdad

McGovern: Yeah, when he needed to go to the hospital. Come on, these people aren't idiots, they know the story.

Rumsfeld: You are.... Let me give you an example. It's easy for you to make a charge, um, but why do you think that the men and women in uniform, everyday when they came out of Kuwait and went into Iraq, put on chemical weapon protective suits? Because they liked the style? [audience laughter]

Rumsfeld: They honestly believed that there were chemical weapons. Saddam Hussein had used chemical weapons on his own people previously. He'd used them on his neighbors the Iranians. And they believed he had those weapons. And we believed he had those weapons.

McGovern: That's what we call a non-sequitor. it doesn't matter what the troops believe it matters what you believe
matt | 05.04.06 - 5:05 pm | #

not the first time rummy got caught like this...remember on Face The Nation way back when?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X...rch=rumsfeld% 20
odelisk8 | 05.04.06 - 5:06 pm | #

"Rumsfeld only had one flash of truth in that clip, and it was an epiphany of truth. He said, "I'm not in the intelligence business." "

Actually, this was a straight faced lie as well screwdus.

Rumsfeld was involved in the approval of torture to collect intelligence. All the persons busted for Abu Gharaib have been MILITARY people, not civilians (CIA, FBI). Rumsfeld is a key member of the intelligence collection team.

Maybe what he is talking about is that he never processes intelligence.
Kurt | 05.04.06 - 5:08 pm | #

Rumsfeld lied when he claimed that he's not in the intelligence business.

"The Office of Special Plans, which existed from September, 2002, to June, 2003, was a Pentagon unit created by Donald Rumsfeld and led by Douglas Feith, dealing with intelligence on Iraq." (Wikipedia)
Gerard Franklin | 05.04.06 - 5:08 pm | #

Another hero! Ray McGovern!

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Rummy!
thepoetryman | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:08 pm | #

Yes, you did, StrawBB, and you did an EXCELLENT catch tonight, babe. Take a bow. If this gets the media attention (i.e., blogs, because that there liberal media just doesn't do fair and balanced!) it deserves, it's because we got eagle-eyed people with keyboards and passion like your good self. Mucho kudos.

And it near beddy-bye time here, m'dears. Gonna go watch some no-brain no-pain tellie and doze off on the sofa again - man, I have SUCH an exciting life!
nonny mouse | 05.04.06 - 5:09 pm | #

Rather interesting...I like how the leaders try to push it on others. I like the Fox(err, faux) defense of Powell--"Powell wasn't lying when he...". Then push it even lower. "Why do you think the troops suited up?" Err, because you lied to them just like you lied to us and told them they had these weapons? That would be my guess. Either that or in the great stride to make a lighter, more efficient military we have given soldiers the ability to choose their own military attire and in so doing implicitly make statements about the WMD capacity of the nation they are invading. Geez, how cowardly can the administration get?
Uninterested 3rd Party | 05.04.06 - 5:09 pm | #

Actually, while the MSM wants to call him a heckler, just as with Mr. Thomas; because he held no banners, made no boo's or "heckling" sounds, and asked pertinant questions as respectfully as anyone could, he should be called nothing more than a concerned citizen with some tough questions.

While he did make direct accusations of lying, he phrased it in the context of an open question and expected and allowed for a response.

The words "heckling," heckled," or "heckler" have no place in this news. That is unless you are referring to the personal responses to him by the LOYALIST crowd.

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Andrew | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:10 pm | #

Night Nonny, this should give you nice beddy buy num nums to dream about.
Strawberrybitch | 05.04.06 - 5:11 pm | #

Kurt,
"Maybe what he is talking about is that he never processes intelligence."

Hoooooooo Aggggghhhhhh!
thepoetryman | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:11 pm | #

Who are these idiots appaluding for Rumsfeld and hushing the questioner??? Do these Kool Aid drinkers follow the news? It absolutely sickens me how so many people in this country are willing to throw truth under the train wheels in order to cover up for these a-holes in the Bush regime!
George | 05.04.06 - 5:11 pm | #

McGovern is great:
http://www.alternet.org/story/21388
dsm | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:11 pm | #

Priceless!!

Americans NEED to see these miserable bastards sweat when confronted with the truth. They repeatedly lie, then when confronted with the REALITY of their OWN WORDS, they lie again!

Rumsfield, Bush, Cheney the whole bunch have absolute contempt for the truth, and this man's questions are evidence of how long they have been able to escape any ACCOUNTABILITY!

J.R.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 5:12 pm | #

Great clip odelisk8. Rumsfeld was caught really bad, poor recovery, as usual.

Watch it!
Kurt | 05.04.06 - 5:12 pm | #

Perhaps I missed something. Rummy was taking questions from the crowd, right? The man asked Rummy a question or two.

How does this compromise heckling?
Gregory | 05.04.06 - 5:12 pm | #

YOU CAN HEAR THE S.S. IN THE BACKGROUND TRYING TO ESCORT HIM OFF!!!

Listen closely, right after McGovern says: "those are your own words."

The ss says, I'd like you to come with me...if you don't i'll give you a good belt.

McGovern then asks: "This is America"?

Then the crowd erupts in baglapping at its finest by clapping their hands in support of Rummy.
sean | 05.04.06 - 5:14 pm | #

heckle=comment against administration
Kurt | 05.04.06 - 5:14 pm | #

"...are more than impressive, but..."
But what?

The applause and the laughter....goddamnit!
mirth | 05.04.06 - 5:16 pm | #

Although there probably weren't "applause" signs in the room, I wouldn't put it past them to put a few staff members in front to clap at the appropriate time and start a "wave" of clapping in the audience.

It sounds like support, but its just a bunch of sheep.
Kurt | 05.04.06 - 5:17 pm | #

It took, what, twenty minutes to find the transcript and juxtapose it with the video denying he said what he said.

Now, what do you want to bet the only person who will show the question and the transcript will be Jon Stewart.

CNN won't do it. NBC won't. Fox certainly won't. ABC might, simply because it was their network but I won't hold my breath.

I cannot believe how the MM won't challenge these guys.

It's so easy to do. All you need is 20 minutes and a search engine.
freaktown | 05.04.06 - 5:18 pm | #

my god, the voice does say "i'll give you a good belt. we need to fight these fascists with everything we got.
odelisk8 | 05.04.06 - 5:19 pm | #

heckle=comment against administration
Kurt | 05.04.06 - 5:14 pm | #

Kurt,
Yes, this administration’s aversion to criticism is well known. My comment was directed at the press who report the incident as "heckling". WTF?

Then again, a number of the reichwing trolls who visit believe that Helen Thomas should be ejected from the WH press corpse for similar "heckling".
Gregory | 05.04.06 - 5:19 pm | #

"Why do you think the troops put on chemical weapons suits everyday?"

Uh, because you fuckin lied and told them there were WMD there. People believeing your lie isn't evidence of your lie being true.

I yelled fire in the theater! Why did all those people run out then if there wasn't a fire? Probably because I yelled FIRE!!!
stonicus | 05.04.06 - 5:20 pm | #

thank goodness for mcgovern. he stood up and asked point blank the right question, and rummy lied and was applauded because he was in front of his own people. support those who would dare ask the questions. they're putting it on the line. the gestapo and fox's police force are waiting to pounce. if we stick together, there will be a force that will make it difficult if not impossible to retaliate against.
ron | 05.04.06 - 5:21 pm | #

Before that guy asked his questions, two protestors jumped up with "war criminal" signs and were escorted out. Those were the hecklers.
stonicus | 05.04.06 - 5:21 pm | #

Continuing your analogy, stonicus, if you yelled "Fire" in a theater knowing there wasn't one and perhaps caused the trampling death of a person due to the ensuing panic, YOU would be held CRIMINALLY responsible for that death.

Anyone else see a parallel?
RR | 05.04.06 - 5:23 pm | #

Holy shit, you CAN hear that guy threaten McGovern. What the fuck is happening to our country?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
stonicus | 05.04.06 - 5:24 pm | #

Bada boom, point blank to the head.
Godfry Daniel | 05.04.06 - 5:25 pm | #

The CIA wins another skirmish in their campaign to topple the Bush government. They are really taking it to the Bushistas.

Look for something really big to help Fitz indict Cheney. That's the where the fighting is hottest right now.

Git 'em spooks
.
A. Citizen | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:29 pm | #

So this is what Nazi Germany was like.
The Professional | 05.04.06 - 5:30 pm | #

Anyone else catch those two black men being called "niggers" by some off camera redneck? Watch the first few seconds.

Man, talk about a progressive crowd. War mongers AND racists. Awesome.
Patio | 05.04.06 - 5:31 pm | #

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X.....rch=rumsfeld% 20
odelisk8 | 05.04.06 - 5:06 pm | #

EXACTLY.

Here is something I'd like the journalists of the White House (and of course the 3 people who ever get this opportunity to ask a question of Rummy) to notice:

This is the one technique for Busting Rummy that has worked. READ
BACK HIS EXACT QUOTE! If you don't he can say, "I didn't say that" and it is true he didn't say that EXACT phrase because you paraphrased that.

Also he did the classic, change the subject to direct attention away from the question. gambit. The goal was for the guy to admit, "Okay Zarquwie was bad and was in Iraq but..." and then Rummy wins. Luckily this guy KNOWS the history of 'Zaquwie. I wouldn't have known that specific detail to bat down Rummy's follow up distraction.

This is also something that drives me nuts. If the Journalists cooperated together they could help out the first questioner. But they are saving up THEIR brilliant question so they don't help out the first questioner. What if the next guy dumped his question and said,

"Excuse me, but you really didn't say WHY you did what you did."

Plus as someone pointed out at Eschaton, Rummy said I'm not in the intelligent business. Bullshit. That is EXACTLY what you are in. That is why you set up a group in the Pentagon. You wanted to be in the intelligence business because the analysts weren't giving you what you wanted (since they were getting all their data from curveball the discredited Chalibi supporter).
spocko | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:32 pm | #

Man, talk about a progressive crowd. War mongers AND racists.

And soccermom America bleats on.
The DaVinci Load | 05.04.06 - 5:33 pm | #

Uh oh. Truth is breaking out all over. Will the mind police be able to stem the tide? Stay tuned.
the writer of the purple sage | 05.04.06 - 5:34 pm | #

Anyone hear the peanut gallery shoot back with "your an idiot" ? Good lord.
The Professional | 05.04.06 - 5:34 pm | #

Dumbsfeld was so sure that Saddam had WMD, especially chemical weapons and the means to deliver them. Why? Because during the Reagan/Bush years Dumbsfeld was Saddam's supplier.

After Saddam gassed the Kurds, Dumbsfeld met with Saddam and shook his hand. On that visit Dumbsfeld gave Saddam a gift of golden spurs. Do you think it was a tax write-off for Dumbsfeld? Do you think he ever reclaimed them during the looting and pillaging of Baghdad?
John Doe | 05.04.06 - 5:35 pm | #

"Rumsfeld: zarqawi was in baghdad during the prewar period, that is a fact."

So what? Does that mean the Saddam was involved? All he said was the Zarqawi was in Iraq. Answer the question Rummy.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 5:35 pm | #

More reading material

By Ray McGovern:
Will the Whistles Blow Before We Attack Iran?
http://www.alternet.org/story/32251/

"We need a whistle-blower with the courage to speak out loudly, and early enough to prevent the Bush administration from getting us into another unnecessary war."
_____________
Beating About The Bush? Not With Hersh
by Robert Fisk. Talking with Seymour Hersch about Iran:
http:// www.informationclearingho...rticle12928.htm
dsm | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:37 pm | #

So confident... so sure of himself,,,and regardless of the facts... his rightful approach to geopolitics. His own words fail to choke the breathe out of him...Compare Hitler's rationale to invade Austria with the present day scenario. From the Hague and Nuremberg world courts, not much difference....Now Bolton is setting up the UN's fineprint for the next GOP evolution. Thankfully there are November elections coming, which may provide some force against the pervasive exuberant irrationality.What happened to the great party of Ike and Lincoln and the fiscal conservatism of that old reliable elephant. Don't expect America's God to help a country that's done the things we've recently done - and a country whose Rumfield's typified leaders we've voted twice into office.

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gary lammert | 05.04.06 - 5:37 pm | #

the troops believed there were wmd...laughable! the troops don't decide what uniforms to wear...or to invade a country for that matter...
hilariousbig | 05.04.06 - 5:38 pm | #

CNN's story had something about how Rumsfeld told the "security guards" who were ready to remove Ray to go ahead and let him talk.

I suppose in this story line we're all supposed to admire Rummy for being able to stand up to pointed questions, but the first thing that occured to me was --- Is it now standing operating procedure to have security guards grab people if they ask difficult questions? As I understand it, Ray was called on to ask his question.
g | 05.04.06 - 5:41 pm | #

his actual excuse was
"im not in the intelligence business"


wow...
nikkoletti | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:42 pm | #

havent seen him on the ropes in awhile-
its refreshing.
easy. | 05.04.06 - 5:44 pm | #

All of the fractal growth patterns speak strongly to a possible
conclusion of maximal equity growth. The nonlinearity that awaits will yield no winners.
gary lammert | 05.04.06 - 5:37 pm | #

I mean this in the most polite way possible, but WTF are you talking about?
Gregory | 05.04.06 - 5:45 pm | #

As has been pointed out....rummy was in bagdad after sadaam gassed the kurds

After rummy brought up the fact that sadaam had gassed his own people, I wish the cia guy had asked him about that pic.

The fact is, the bushies are evil liars, who dont give a shit about america or national security.
Uncle Joe McCarthy | 05.04.06 - 5:45 pm | #

The transcript of the video posted;

McGovern: and So I would like to ask you to be up front with the American people, why did you lie to get us into a war that was not necessary, that has caused these kinds of casualties? why?

RUMSFELD: Well, first of all, I haven’t lied. I did not lie then. (applause) Colin Powell didn’t lie. He spent weeks and weeks with the Central Intelligence Agency people and prepared a presentation that I know he believed was accurate, and he presented that to the United Nations. the president spent weeks and weeks with the central intelligence people and he went to the American people and made a presentation. I’m not in the intelligence business. they gave the world their honest opinion. it appears that there were not weapons of mass destruction there.

McGovern: You said you knew where they were.

RUMSFELD: I did not. I said I knew where suspect sites were and we were.....just...(crosstalk)

McGovern: You said you knew where they were Tikrit, Baghdad, northeast, south, west of there. Those are your words.

RUMSFELD: My words.... my words were that .... no, no, no wait a minute, wait a minute. Let him stay one second. Just a second.

McGovern: This is America, Huh.

(applause)

RUMSFELD: You’re getting plenty of play, sir.

McGovern: I’d just like an honest answer.

RUMSFELD: I’m giving it to you.

McGovern: Well we’re talking about lies and your allegation there was bulletproof evidence of ties between al Qaeda and Iraq. Was that a lie? or where you mislead?

RUMSFELD: Zar..., Zarqawi was in Baghdad during the prewar period. That is a fact.

McGovern: Zarqawi? He was in the north of Iraq in a place where Saddam Hussein had no rule. That's where he was.

RUMSFELD: He was also… (crosstalk) He was also in Baghdad.

McGovern: Yes, when he needed to go to the hospital.

Come on, these people aren’t idiots. They know the story.

RUMSFELD: You are... Le...,Let me, Let me give you an example it's easy for you to make a charge, Um, but why do you think that the men and women in uniform every day when they came out of Kuwait and went into Iraq put on chemical weapon protective suits, because they like the, ah, style (laughter) They honestly believed that there where chemical weapons Saddam Hussein had used Chemical weapons on his own people previously, he'd used them on his neighbor the Iranians and they believed he had those weapons. We believed he had those weapons.


McGovern: That's what we call a non-secretor, it doesn't matter what the troops believe, it matters what you believe

(crosstalk)

Moderator: I, I Think, I think, I think mister secretary the debate is over we have other questions, that courtesy to the audience.

(applause)

RUMSFELD: I guess over here

Moderator: Good grief. That's a hard act to follow.

RUMSFELD: You've forgotten your question.

(laughter)

QUESTION: Mister secretary as a man much younger than you, Uh,
(laughter)

RUMSFELD: Everybody is.

QUESTION: I've followed your career and, and your passion for life and your positive outlook and your ability to deal with situations like the one over there are more than impressive, but...
(End Video)


Marcus | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:46 pm | #

CNN spin machine is already in effect. They've got up-to-the-minute coverage of a car accident with a Kennedy and now there are "questions about whether alcohol was involved..."

Obviously that's far more newsworthy for America than whether our criminal SecDef lied our Nation into war leading to the horrific death of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people and is now being called out on his lies by "We The People!"

Tweety's harping about it now and making it out like a Congressmans car crash with no fatalities is some major type of Constitutional crisis. What's wrong with this chucklenuts?
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:46 pm | #

First: Fucking LIAR!

Second: "I'm not in the business of intellegence."
You are the Secretary of Defence, you fucking old fool.

Fire the liar.
jdb | 05.04.06 - 5:46 pm | #

What's so unbeliveable to me is that there are still people in this country who applaud these assholes.

I wonder how many trees we'd have to cut down in order to make a list of every lie these guys have told.
QuestionGirl | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:47 pm | #

Gary Larmert... Post a link to where that long piece is online. Or go blog it somewhere and then link us back to it. We're interested but posting novels in the comment sections isn't good manners.
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 5:48 pm | #

Gregory | 05.04.06 - 5:45 pm | #



mirth | 05.04.06 - 5:48 pm | #

The Professional | 05.04.06 - 5:30 pm

In Nazi Germany they would have taken mcgovern out and shot him.

Get real.
Joel Klein | 05.04.06 - 5:48 pm | #

Does anyone remember how the BCCI scandal finally was taken seriously? The complainants
had unsuccessfully communicated with the FBI over several years. It was only after a formal
criminal complaint in the federal district court in
Manhattan under Robert Morgenthau's jusrisdiction did action take place.

Would someone please file a federal criminal complaint against BushCo et al.

If there are any current criminal complaints
already filed would someone post some information.

Thank you.
Kilgore Trout | 05.04.06 - 5:50 pm | #

"What's so unbeliveable to me is that there are still people in this country who applaud these assholes."

It was another selected audience, McGovern got past the "deciders" somehow. Rummy, Cheney, et al, are cowards. They don't have the balls to take questions from people who haven't been vetted.

There is probably no doubt that spooks are reading these posts. Go back and tell your bosses that they are cowards. Tell them they need to talk to the hoi poli and if they don't do it that they are cowards.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 5:53 pm | #

Rummy has his "steady gaze" under control until he's cornered into stating that he did not lie.

Then his eyes start to blink, blink, blink, blink
until he looks like Nixon saying, "I'm not a crook."
Fascinated | 05.04.06 - 5:54 pm | #

haven't rad all the blog so far but so may be redundant but:
.1.amen brother
& 2. he should have said & you shook his hand after Sadaam did that didn't you mr rumsfeild. and you signed the PNAC documents too didn't you sirr!
titmouse | 05.04.06 - 5:55 pm | #

In case some of you are having a hard time finding the threat by the SS, it occurs in the background after about 1 minute 29 seconds of the wmp version of the video post here. You will have to turn your speakers up very loud to hear it, but right after the threat is when Rummy says "no, no, let him stay a second...etc"
Geoff | 05.04.06 - 6:00 pm | #

To Colbert someone--Publicly criticizing someone in power who has purposefully made themself inaccessible.

Used in a sentence:

Ray McGovern fully Colberted Rummy on TV today.

or

What a great Colberting that was.
Station Agent | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:01 pm | #

How is it a developing story? I thought we knew that 2 years ago.
Jake | 05.04.06 - 6:01 pm | #

Anyone else catch those two black men being called "niggers" by some off camera redneck?

It sounds like someone said, "They're n*ggers, throw them out."
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:01 pm | #

The truth hurts. The Army only believed what it was told. The foot soldiers as Rumsfeld well knows don't have their own intelligence agency. They dressed up in those suits because they were told to.

His claims are absurd.
Scott | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:01 pm | #

Apparently he didn't see them there himself, and relied on Colin Powells testimony at the UN. Shame on him, he never should have belived Colin. What a fool.
CDS | 05.04.06 - 6:01 pm | #

This SecDef has never been in the "intelligence" business, his post graduate training was in the "Kiss Up, Kick Down" field.
Cash Cow | 05.04.06 - 6:02 pm | #

I'm not one to make excuses for those punk-ass bitches in this administration, but it is hard to say he said exactly where the WMD are. "They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." The only places he didn't mention were Iran, a mayonaise jar on Funk & Wagnall's porch, and outer space.
He's a despicable, lying vermin, yes, but he's got a bit of an out on this one.
GMB | 05.04.06 - 6:02 pm | #

Joel Klein

Joel, plane crash, heart attack ?

Surreptitious much?
The Professional | 05.04.06 - 6:03 pm | #

someone said "You could catch these Bush/Cheney guys strangling babies and the cool-ade drinkers would still shout down anyone who ask a hard question".
professor McFuzzy | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:03 pm | #

"In case some of you are having a hard time finding the threat by the SS, it occurs in the background after about 1 minute 29 seconds of the wmp version of the video post here. You will have to turn your speakers up very loud to hear it, but right after the threat is when Rummy says "no, no, let him stay a second...etc"

I heard it, I had to replay the segment a few times. Maybe it wasn't security saying it, maybe it was one of the rednecks that they planted in audience.

Yes Rummy got colberted
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:04 pm | #

Check out the left wing media's response!
Then look at these headline…

Hecklers interrupt Rumsfeld speech CNN


Rumsfeld Heckled During Speech on Military Faux News

Updated: Protesters Heckle Rumsfeld On War CBS news


Heckler greets Rumsfeld at policy speech MSNBC

Rumsfeld Heckled by Former CIA Analyst ABC news

Only ABC gets it partially right… He was a CIA ANALYST. Is it heckling when you are standing at a mic during a Q&A session and you ask one?

Damn LEFT WING MEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!
Ken | 05.04.06 - 6:04 pm | #

Gee, good grief, heaven to Betsy!!!! Thank you for kissing ass at the end of this segment jeff Gannon!!!!
question authority | 05.04.06 - 6:05 pm | #

Why do these people always clap? Shut up.
Nick | 05.04.06 - 6:05 pm | #

Station Agent... That's good. Another way of saying that McGovern gave Rummy a good "Rogering", as our British brethren might say.
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:05 pm | #

Welcome to the New America for the 21st century. Ask an unpleasant question of your government, and swiftly be threatened with physical assault. How lovely. And to think, idiots in the crowd meanwhile are applauding and calling African Americans out with racial slurs. So this is what we've come to.
Geoff | 05.04.06 - 6:06 pm | #

And they always throw these people out... thats scary shit.
Nick | 05.04.06 - 6:06 pm | #

*Sound of crickets chirping*, anyone?

Deer, meet headlights.

Rumsfeld & his apologists=Major League Assholes.
miss_kitty | 05.04.06 - 6:07 pm | #

If that was a redneck threatening the bodily harm, they had a peculiarly SS-esque tone to their voice. Id put money on it being DC people.
Geoff | 05.04.06 - 6:08 pm | #

I wonder if these people who clap so hard for this administration would clap so hard if their picture was on TV so they could be remembered.
robin | 05.04.06 - 6:09 pm | #

"The really scary parts of this video are the dip shits booing the hecklers and Mr McGovern yet the liar just goes on shoveling it to them and they keep slurping it up."

What can we expect? Rummy was in the bowels of Dupedom South, where reside the Bible-thumping, flag-waving Dupes who can hardly wait to cheer and vote against themselves by sending the egregious Stooges who so well serve the Plutocracy to Congress. After all this is Shameless Saxby Chambliss and Rotten Ralph Reed territory. The Cheney-Rummy-Rove-Bush White House routinely panders to their benighted constituents in Dupedom.
Janus | 05.04.06 - 6:12 pm | #

Why won't Bush accept his resignation already? Bush puts loyalty over performance
janetoria | 05.04.06 - 3:48 pm | #

--------------------------------------

G Dub knows that only fawning sycophants or power crazed sociopaths like Chaney and the rest of the NeoConJob cabal of Israel-first traitors will work for him. The truly competent see him for what he is, a dry drunk with marginal capability to execute the job he was not elected to do. That is why he is surrounded by such incompetent people. Competent people would call him on his BS, leave and talk about the reality of the GW administration and GW in particular. That would be a very ugly picture. But, it will come out and probably sooner than later once the balance of power in the country is restored.
DanDeMan | 05.04.06 - 6:12 pm | #

Mcgovern is always great. notice how Rummy quickly brings up Colin Powell as if hes someone to be trusted.HA.
Chris | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:12 pm | #

Colon Powell said very matter-of-factly that Iraq had WMD's. Not that Iraq might have them, but that we knew Saddam had them and where they were.

How much do we have to pay Gannon/Guckert to just admit that he blew the Prez (or vice-versa) so we can start the impeachment? I think it would be worth it no matter how much it cost.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:13 pm | #

Why would the military carry protective suits with them or put them on if they didn't believe that there were chemical & biological weapons that could be used against them by the Iraqi's.

I can think of two reasons:

1. That it's a reasonable precaution when going into battle and to not carry them would be unforgivable negligence.

2. That it would be an admission that they didn't believe or knew no such chemical & biological weapons existed if the troops were not outfitted with protective suits.

This lame argument has been put out there before. Why would you put on your seat belt if you didn't think you going to get into a wreck (seatbelt laws not withstanding)?
Turk Meister | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:15 pm | #

This is GOOD:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ arti...umsfeldlies.htm

Some excerpts:
"The crowd, which is always carefully selected to ensure majority support for whichever Bush administration talking head takes the podium, applaud Rumsfeld's answers and are also heard to cheer the attempt to remove McGovern from the room..."

"Audiences that are not pre-screened for subservience produce a very different reaction. Such as the Washington Nationals baseball crowd, 80% of which booed Dick Cheney even as he walked out on the field with injured Iraq veterans."
dsm | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:19 pm | #

The N Word was used.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:19 pm | #

The AP predictably does a lousy job of covering McGovern versus Rumsfeld with the headline:

"Rumsfeld Heckled by Former CIA Analyst"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060..._st_pe/ rumsfeld

Versus, say, "Rumsfeld Challenged on WMD statements" with a lede that spells out that Rumsfeld denied making statements he made clearly made publically.

The AP story reports the confrontation, but predictably treats it as little more than gossip: Rumsfeld is accused of lying and denies it. There's no mention of the substance of what McGovern says. There's no mention of the fact that everything factual that McGovern cites is correct and Rumsfeld denies making statements he did in fact make.

For a rush story, which typically have much lower standards, this isn't that surprising, but we'll see if later reports and revisions pick up on the real news. The press has never really grilled these guys for their constantly shifting stories.
Batocchio | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:21 pm | #

A southern drawl to that N bomb, for sure. He was probably waving a confederate flag at the time.
Geoff | 05.04.06 - 6:21 pm | #

The media should be ashamed that it took a non-mainstream media person to ask a straightforward question and then challange the false answer of Rumsfeld with Rumsfeld's own words. If the media had done its job from the get-go this country would not be in the mess it presently is - and for that matter have the dunce we have for a president.
Condor | 05.04.06 - 6:23 pm | #

Yep....he probably believed Colin Powell, Hillary and Bill Clinton, Russia, France, Germany, England and all of the UN sanctions, and the leader of the CIA, Tenant. How could he be so dumb?
CDS | 05.04.06 - 6:24 pm | #

The Professional | 05.04.06 - 6:03 p

Oh, yeah. I saw the movie.
Joel Klein | 05.04.06 - 6:26 pm | #

a more intelligent president; when given so called 'bad intelligence' would have been able to reject it.
bush was not able to ask the proper hard questions and fell victim to self delusion, lack of skepticism; and bad science or intelligence.
This is why he no business squatting in the Oval Office.
Editor | 05.04.06 - 6:26 pm | #

Yahoo Headline..."Rumsfeld Heckled by Former CIA Analyst."
"Heckled"?? No, it was during a Q&A. Who writes those headlines anyway?
Johnny2Bad | 05.04.06 - 6:27 pm | #

The only way these evil bastards can keep getting away with this is that there are so many people here that like being bullies. They want the US to get what it wants by simply going and taking it. For them, negotiations and diplomacy is for pussies. They don't care what lies are told in order to justify the evil actions. They know it's all lies so telling them it is all lies is pointless; they don't care. The only thing that will make them change is to have the country fail and for them to feel direct pain due to the lies. Then they will turn on the liars and want blood.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:27 pm | #

How long does it take for you dimwits to realize that this BS is going nowhere. Sorry but you cant get anywhere by contriving fact from an answer to another question.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:30 pm | #

Turk Meister | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:15 pm

American soldiers have been issued anti gas technology before going into battle since World War I when gas was actually used on American troops. My Great Uncle was gassed in the Ardennes in 1918.

American troops landing in Normandy on June 6, 1944 had anti-gas gear.

Rumsfeld has as much contempt for the "intelligence" of his American audience as he does for any body anywhere.
Samuel Beckett | 05.04.06 - 6:32 pm | #

Someone just go up an punch this prick in the face.
srgtick | 05.04.06 - 6:33 pm | #

I would like to know if the Bushies can tell the truth about anything? And how much longer is it going to take for that 30% to see what incompetent frauds the Bushies are?
Cathy | 05.04.06 - 6:34 pm | #

It looks like Colbert may have started something...
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:34 pm | #

"It looks like Colbert may have started something..."

Naw, as some troll here the other night said "Colbert threw a firecracker not a grenade." That was sarcasm, I agree with you, Colbert broke the ice.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:36 pm | #

You lied!
I dint lie!
You did lie!
I did not lie!
Liar!
I am not a liar!
You are a liar!
No I'm not!
Yes you are!
I'm NOT
You ARE!
OK, I am whatever you say I am, please get away from me now!
Convert | 05.04.06 - 6:36 pm | #

"Yep....he probably believed Colin Powell, Hillary and Bill Clinton, Russia, France, Germany, England and all of the UN sanctions, and the leader of the CIA, Tenant. How could he be so dumb?" -CDS

"A wise man sees not the same tree a fool sees." -Blake
Johnny2Bad | 05.04.06 - 6:39 pm | #

""The really scary parts of this video are the dip shits booing the hecklers and Mr McGovern yet the liar just goes on shoveling it to them and they keep slurping it up."

What can we expect? Rummy was in the bowels of Dupedom South"

To be fair to my grits eating fellow citizens in the South, the same thing would happen in the Dupedom of Orange County California and other conservative areas.
On the left hand coast | 05.04.06 - 6:40 pm | #

The Nazis lied to their people, telling them that it was someone else's fault that Germany was in ruins and that they'd restore Germany to its rightful place. That is essentially the same thing the neo-cons are doing, scapegoating the liberals for the nation's fall from preeminence and promising that the US will once again be the greatest nation, that what has been perceived as lost by the people will be restored. Their supporters don't care what lies are told in order to continue the neo-con campaign. They will keep willingly believing and following until the bitter end.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:40 pm | #

Ray worked for Bush's dad - you can find many interviews at www.democracynow.org.
bozo | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:40 pm | #

wooohooo they covered Ray on NBC news just now!!!
redjb | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:41 pm | #

Anyone who continues to deny the Bush/Cheney lies is either a goddamned fool or a goddamned liar.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:46 pm | #

You folks are grasping at straws.
CDS | 05.04.06 - 6:47 pm | #

If your 3 year old daughter told her friends that Santa Claus was real, would she be lying?
Convert | 05.04.06 - 6:47 pm | #

the reichwhores will protect rummy bush and cheney with every one elses lives but thier own huh convert????
tyree | 05.04.06 - 6:47 pm | #

CDS | 05.04.06 - 6:47 pm |

By the time the Iraq war is payed for we'll all be sleeping on straw mattresses.
Taxpayer | 05.04.06 - 6:51 pm | #

Convert | 05.04.06 - 6:47 pm

It's always happy hour somewhere on earth.
Taxpayer | 05.04.06 - 6:51 pm | #

Convert - you're an idiot if you think a 3 year old's intelligence and grasp of reality is on par with an adult's. Why bother typing? Why dont you pick up a book and try to learn something..oh wait, not enough working brain cells in your head for that.
Geoff | 05.04.06 - 6:52 pm | #

chris i visuliseit more like a pic i once saw of a hobo , or groucho marxes brother harpo!
tyree | 05.04.06 - 6:53 pm | #

why did they have these truth pollutants entering the room. oh I can see rumsfeld lost a bit of his cool. its too bad truth is allowed to enter these rooms!

10 years and 10000000 soldiers later, rumsfeld might still be there, and there will be a throne next to him.
truth pollutant | 05.04.06 - 6:57 pm | #

You folks are grasping at straws.
CDS | 05.04.06 - 6:47 pm | #

You have a hard time grasping reality, CDS.


If your 3 year old daughter told her friends that Santa Claus was real, would she be lying?
Convert | 05.04.06 - 6:47 pm | #

Bush does have the mental capacity of a 3 year old. I see your point.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:57 pm | #

By the time the Iraq war is payed for we'll all be sleeping on straw mattresses.
Taxpayer | 05.04.06 - 6:51 pm | #

No, you will be dead. It will never be paid for. Just like when France paid their debt to us.
CDS | 05.04.06 - 6:58 pm | #

FINALLY. People are starting to realize that Dumbsfeld and his neo-cronies use falacious statements to win arguments. Just like the lobbyist in "Thank You For Smoking"..

"I don't have to be right. It's not about the issue. I just have to prove that you are wrong. And, if you are wrong, then I must be right."
nima | 05.04.06 - 6:58 pm | #

The problem with McGovern was, that he wasn't funny
dsm | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 6:58 pm | #

The administration lies...about EVERYTHING.

Let's not speak of every lie.

It would be impolite.

Free Speech is but a quaint memory.



"We know where they are."

"We know where they are."

"We know where they are."

"We know where they are."
plunger | 05.04.06 - 6:59 pm | #

well i admire a guy who spends his days gutting hogs and spends his spare time fighting for our dictatores like rumsfeldt and cheny, got to shake a guy like thats hands after hes been shoveling dog poop too, when the time is right he,ll join his brethren in uraq gutting muslims for our own hitler , bush
tyree | 05.04.06 - 7:00 pm | #

Did you hear the sack licker that addressed rummy after mcG?

Wow. These guys should just be given a salt lick.
TalkieToaster | 05.04.06 - 7:00 pm | #

Since noboby answered my question...
Bye.
Convert | 05.04.06 - 7:01 pm | #

CDS | 05.04.06 - 6:58 pm | #

Are you using medical marijuana?
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 7:01 pm | #

If a 3 year old tells you she believes in Santa Claus, are there WMD in Iraq?
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 7:03 pm | #

MOre lies to covr up his past obvious lies.
Limpballs | 05.04.06 - 7:03 pm | #

Would anyone elect a 3 year old to the office of president of the USA? Appoint a 3 year old Secretary of Defense?
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 7:04 pm | #

[deleted - off topic. If you want to discuss 9/11, please go set up your own blog and debate it to your hearts content. But NOT here.]

Edited By Siteowner
plunger | 05.04.06 - 7:05 pm | #

Why do you hate the truth, CDS?
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 6:59 pm

What makes you believe that I hate the truth....actually, I believe only the truth is important.

Are you using medical marijuana?
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 7:01 pm | #

Nope....I'm past the Mary Jane thing...now I read America Blog for my high.
CDS | 05.04.06 - 7:06 pm | #

I like how they narrowed it down to WMDs being somewhere north, south, east or west of baghdad.

Isn't that just about everything? Isn't everything either north, south, east, or west of baghdad?

Okay, so besides making that statement in the first place, now he's denying he ever said that or that he ever knew where WMDs were?

I think this at least proves his senility. Either that, or his duplicity.


"Oceania was at war with Eurasia. Therefore, Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia."
werdig | 05.04.06 - 7:08 pm | #

If a 3 year old told you that she saw Santa Claus break the vase in the living room, when she is confronted with the shattered vase at her feet, would you say she was lying?
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 7:09 pm | #

If we didn't know what we knew were lies and not know what we thought we didn't know we knew when we knew it that the WMD were not known to the people who knew they didn't know what they knew. So you see we always knew it. You just don't understand the english you thought you knew. We don't know when we lie. Got it?
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 7:10 pm | #

Did you hear those dumb asses clapping when Rummy said he didn't lie. What the fuck planet are they on. Who could possibly think he/they didn't lie about the reasons to go to war. They said we had to go becasue of WMD. There were not any WMD. They lied. PERIOD...... It that too hrd for them to conprehend? god damn it!!
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 7:14 pm | #

Cowardly Lion: I do believe in WMD. I do believe in WMD. I do, I do, I do, I do, I *do* believe in WMD,
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 7:14 pm | #

The shit head says he is not in the intelligence business. Well there you have it. That's what's screwed up right there. When the Secretary of defence says he is not in the intelegence business we are in trouble. But you knew that, right (oh I hate that word)?
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 7:17 pm | #

"dumb asses": That's a good description of the 32% who still support Bush. You could also call them "backwash."
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 7:17 pm | #

Ok, I finished watching it and it was the most outrageous display of bullshit I have seen in a long while. What was the most disturbing was the audience cheering this cocksucker like he was Patton driving into Paris or wherever that fuckhead drove into. This Rummy character is a piece of shit. A lying piece of shit.
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 7:23 pm | #

Who could possibly defent this joker. He must get home at night and have a scotch on the rocks and sit down and just laugh his ass off. He probably cannot beleive there are still 30% who thing these assholes are doing a good job. hahahahhahahahhahah
hehehehehehehehheeeeee hahahahahahahaa
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 7:26 pm | #

Colbert on 'reality':

"Most of all I believe in this president. Now, I know there's some polls out there saying this man has a 32% ("BACKWASH") approval rating. But guys like us, we don't pay attention to the polls. We know that polls are just a collection of statistics that reflect what people are thinking in "reality." And reality has a well-known liberal bias."

http://thankyoustephencolbert.org/


Don't Mention Tuesday | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 7:26 pm | #

Convert.

Yes she would be lying. Because YOU told her the lie that Santa Claus WAS real.

See what happens when you willingly and knowingly lie? You make other people do your lying for you. A little girl, lied, because of the lie that you told her. No wonder so many people bought this IRAQ shit the first time, they grew up being LIED to by their parents who thought it was an acceptable part of their 'religion'.
jobloe | 05.04.06 - 7:27 pm | #

So don't give up. These dickwads can be put in jail. They truly can. All of them. If you get frustrated don't forget H.R. "Bob" and big John Erlichman were put in the big house. So was Colson and Dean. The Duke-stir Cunningham is warming a spot for Delay and Abramoff is gone for at least -what- 10 years. So don't think it's not possible to frogmarch the rest of these shit heads into the big house.
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 7:29 pm | #

Yes the audience was very troubling.
aussieboy | 05.04.06 - 7:32 pm | #

Impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach, impeach.
Jail, jail, jail, jail, jail, jail, jail, jail, jail, jail, jail.
Frogmarch, frogmarch, frogmarch, frogmarch, frogmarch, frogmarch, frogmarch, frogmarch, frogmarch, frogmarch, frogmarch, frogmarch.
Hahahahahahhahahhaha
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 7:33 pm | #

I sure hope Keith has it on tonight. Maybe, just maybe, some MSM will cover it. That would be a good day.
Fingers crossed.
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 7:35 pm | #

Convert

A 3 year old believes what a parent tells them.

I believed as a child in Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny and all the rest. I knew that it was all fantasy when I was 9. At that age I was aware of my surroundings and had a few more neurons in my brain.

To this day as much as I want those characters to be alive, I know in REALITY the do not.

Wishing does not make it so.




As an adult I know that the above was fantasy
pookers | 05.04.06 - 7:38 pm | #

Whats truly frightening is, that they were going to haul this McGovern out of there.....for what?

Also frightening is, that we are talking about the first time one of these guys got a "real question" Our press corps are sad and pathetic
mark from madison | 05.04.06 - 7:45 pm | #

Ray Mcgovern also believes 9/11 was an inside job. LOOK FOR THE TRUTH
Jeff | 05.04.06 - 7:46 pm | #

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." Rumsfeld 3/30/2003

"Mr. Russert: In March, you did say, "We know where they are?"

Rumsfeld: Yeah. The phrase was almost always suspect sites, and in -- the next day one would have to say where they were, not where they are, because things are moveable." Rumsfeld 7/13/2003

"McGovern: You said you knew where they were. Tikrit, Baghdad, northeast, south, west of there. Those are your words.

Rumsfeld: My words-my words were that-no-no, wait a minute--wait a minute." Rumsfeld 5/4/2006

I'm Mr. Pepper and I approve this message lol
mrpepper | 05.04.06 - 7:48 pm | #

When I was flying the WMD teams all around Iraq the first year after the war, we were never told to bring out Chemsuits with us, and only on one occasion did I see the guys and gals on the team really concerned enough that they noticeably had thiers with them. At home at the airbase, we (all of us pilots) commented that it seemed strange that there was so little em[hasis on making sure we all had MOPP protection.

Makes you wonder...but what do I know, I WAS ONLY THERE.
Steve OIF Vet | 05.04.06 - 7:59 pm | #

Rumsfeld: My words-my words were that-no-no, wait a minute--wait a minute." Rumsfeld 5/4/2006

(What Rumsfeld was about to say)

Henny Penny, Who let that guy in?!
Jay Billington | 05.04.06 - 8:00 pm | #

That is why I fell out when Rummy mentioned the chemsuit thing! I have really learned to hate that guy, and I used to think he was "the man."
Steve OIF Vet | 05.04.06 - 8:02 pm | #

As I previously stated in the "Colbert comedy skit angers Bush, aides" thread:

Like a proctologist gone mad, he rammed home a fist of truthiness. The discomfort obvious on the faces of both politician and pundit. Mr. President, members of the Press, you've been Colberted.
HBF | 05.02.06 - 10:14 pm | #

I concur, now Mr. Rumsfeld has been "Colberted".
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 8:04 pm | #

This is another in a string of people finally calling this criminal administration on their malfesance. The first was the man who said to Bush that he was ashamed of him. The second was Colbert. And now this. To the wingnut that said Colbert's satire was much ado about nothing, you are wrong. The cracks are spreading.
chickfu | 05.04.06 - 8:09 pm | #

Hey, little old miserable man Rumsfield, the historical fantasy you are presently living in, the one only a rich industrialists like yourself could afford to purchase or bully his way to, the one where you are a noble general in command of the world; the one where you also are the world's leading industrialist; a rare and fantastic man; the fantasy where you, at this late stage of your life, can sit back and enjoy the praise of everyone around you; the fantasy where you're humility has been dignified and consistent throughout your life, and it's finally okay to let lose; the fantasy where you go slowly like a ship into the night, and after death, knowing that the world and all her inhabitants were fortunate to have shared their time with yours. This fantasy, Rummy, is coming to an end. The reality is you are not being carried on the shoulders of the mass. You are just a man who is still sitting behind the wheel; but we have already pulled the car to the shoulder of the road and we are waiting for you to get out so we can leave you there. Rummy, everyone knows you consistently lied to the runup of war; it's an established fact, denial, denial, denial is biding your time foolishly. You have lied. You did so with SHOCK & AWE effects. You, Dick and george, three clowns running amok in a three ring circus, performing dirty deeds, both criminal and perverted. That is reality, Rummy. It's here and now official, you've become a stock character from a dimestore spy novel. You are the creepy, perverted, old man billionaire who ends up in a corner cowering in the end. Old fella, save yourself from utter failure and resign immediately. We are finished with delusional, harlequin creeps running the show, be gone.
Greenback | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 8:15 pm | #

the gestapo and nazi crowd showed thier ass today , the only way they will be rooted out is with force of arms ,
tyree | 05.04.06 - 8:17 pm | #

That's right Mr. Secretary tell all those non-believers exactly what we are doing in Iraq. Saddam was a menace and needed removed. Our loss of life is minimal and this job needed done.

If the US was attacked again all these Liberal bleeding hearts would be blaming you and crying "why didn't you protect us".

Real American's know the truth that's why the clapping far drowned out any jeers.

Ray McGovern is a jerk and traitor. He deserves to be shackled to Moussaoui and both tossed into a dank cell at Gitmo.
Ernest T. Bass | 05.04.06 - 8:20 pm | #

Great! Keith led with the rummy story and CALLED HIM OUT!! He evngave Colbert some propps afer he panned him the other night. Now it looks like The Duke-stir is singing. Sty tuned. Oh, Keith said two of the three netwarks led off with the Rummy outint as well. GREAT!
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 8:22 pm | #

http://tinyurl.com/a6erq

Help Impeach these crooks and liars.
Me3 | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 8:23 pm | #

Good to see Ray McGovern. He did an excellent interview in the Rob Greenwald film:

http://www.truthuncovered.com/

These are exactly the type of people the Heritage Foundation warned against, people who were too competent to follow the political agenda.
John Williams | 05.04.06 - 8:24 pm | #

rumsfeld did they saddam had nerve gas or something. that is why they worse suits. that wasn't a threat to america, though. he made up the WMD's to present a case to the american people, because he is DELUSIONAL and had some weird fantasies going on in his head + a longtime standing in the wolfowitz/kristal gang who aren't going to give up their pet war. when you know that much, it makes it plainly clear what his thought process is in this clip.
person | 05.04.06 - 8:27 pm | #

Ernest T. Bass> That's right Mr. Secretary tell all those non-believers exactly what we are doing in Iraq

Oh yes, people critical of the government are now "non-believers". Who are you going to believe, this administration or your LYING EYES?
John Williams | 05.04.06 - 8:28 pm | #

authority figures get Ernest all hot and horny. the self hating homo cant stand seeing people call Rummy out for the liar and traitor he is.
Chris | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 8:29 pm | #

What I found interesting was after the first lady protester called Rumsfeldt a liar, he responded by saying how terrible it is when someone says the President lied. She didn't even mention the President as lying. Now doesn't that seem like an unconscious admission by Rumsfeldt that Bush has indeed lied?

Smell that smoke? It's Bush$Co going up in flames.
Jerry | 05.04.06 - 8:32 pm | #

Ernie, what exactly are we doing over there, again?
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 8:34 pm | #

May I suggest taht Iraq was better off with Saddam.
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 8:35 pm | #

It sure is screwed up over there now, Ernie.
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 8:35 pm | #

I'm also having a little trouble coming up with something that these assholes have said lately that was not a lie. Can you help me.
Captain Kangaroo | 05.04.06 - 8:37 pm | #

Ernest T. Bass, it is clear that nutjobs like him would not only blindly support liars like Rummy (It's war, dammit! Yea, we started it based on lies, but its still WAR you fuckers!) but he would also strip Americans of their right to speak out and would jail dissenters.

The ghosts of Nazi Germany are alive and well in the Reichwing. True patriots are the voices of Ray McGovern. Stand fast against people like Ernest T. Bass, and speak out.
President Madison once said "If tyranny comes to this land it will under the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"
odanny | 05.04.06 - 8:38 pm | #

This is critical for a lot of reasons. First, Rumsfeld claims he didn't lie...well, that's a lie. One CENTRAL issue we must not lose site of is WHEN can a country go to war? Not just on a whim. Zarqawi (sp?) may have been in Iraq, but Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. We knew that; even Osama bin Laden thought he was too secular. What needs to happen is that they nail him on this as well as the lies about WMDs. THEY were the only genuine THREAT--which is what international law requires. Without it, they have committed I think war crimes and/or crimes against humanity. The FACT is that Saddam Hussein, horror that he was, did NOT represent any credible threat. Even if there was a suspicion of chemical weapons, these could not have been used against the United States--thus, they did not represent a threat. NUKES may have been a threat--and all they could dredge up was the obvious lie of the yellowcake. These are criminal acts that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfled and all have committed. I hope future intrepid journalists will continue pressing the issue and demanding justice for the tens (hundreds?) of thousands maimed and slaughtered and for the billions squandered.
George | 05.04.06 - 8:45 pm | #

Ray McGovern was waiting in wait for Dumbsfield, and I thought that was sweet. The lying shit head got taken to the woodshed. That made my day.
Fat Freddies Cat | 05.04.06 - 8:45 pm | #

I want to know what drugs Rummy's supporters are taking. They must be super psychodelic to believe Rummy's bulls**t.
Cats are Fly Fishin | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 8:50 pm | #

what does anybody not understand about thoes 19 goobers from saudi and jordan not doing 911 but that it was murders with brains mossad dummy
tyree | 05.04.06 - 8:52 pm | #

Rummy's quotes:

http://www.michaelmoore.com/ _ima...umsfeldlied.mov
Editor | 05.04.06 - 9:02 pm | #

Rumsfeld is the Secratary of Defence and Bush has just recently stated that Rummy is doing a great job and knows what he is doing ( more or less ) . The problem is not Rummy .
sandstormxx | 05.04.06 - 9:03 pm | #

Great clip... but why would people at some sort of center for INTERNATIONAL studies BOO and try to SILENCE someone who was asking very reasonable questions that we still haven't got straight answers to?

What kind of imbeciles were in the audience who would BOO at this center for INTERNATIONAL studies? I mean, if it were at a Republican political event, at least I could UNDERSTAND cutting off free speech... but at a center for INTERNATIONAL studies?

And those who booed are the future leaders we can look forward to?
Henny Penny the sky is falling | 05.04.06 - 9:09 pm | #

Is there any way for you to get the beginning of the clip up, which includes Ray McGovern's entire question from the beginning? He didn't just start by asking "Why did you lie?"

McGovern laid out the case against Rumsfeld from the minute he began his question, about what every analyst at the CIA knew and said about the administration's case against Iraq.

It makes much more sense, it's much more impactful, and it exposes Rumsfeld and the Bush administration as liars far better than the edited clip available at CNN.

Thanks (if you can do it).
Maven | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 9:15 pm | #

I rarely watch Scarborough, but even he is covering this story correctly. The caption reads "Rumsfeld Rocked". Nice to see some sanity....
MrEMan | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 9:18 pm | #

Now I'm really pissed.

NBC's nightly news stated that "Rumsfeld held his own" against the tough questions.

Rumsfeld lied. He said he did not use the words that are in writing. The media should run this portion of the clip with a split screen to show his words then and his words now.

No journalist from the msm will follow up to the former CIA agents questions and valid points.

This is sick.
Kurt | 05.04.06 - 9:18 pm | #

Scarborough is covering this, as far as conservatives go Joe is alright.
Bozzytiger | 05.04.06 - 9:21 pm | #

"I was not at that podium. No one asked me anything today." -Donald Rumsfeld
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 9:23 pm | #

Ray McGovern -- proud of you, sir. You're a great American and a courageous man. Finally...and all he can do is continue lying, I guess lying got under their skin, they can't do without it anymore...while our brave men and women in uniform are dying over there for no reason. Thank you so much!!!I'm gonna show this clip to my kids so they'll know how to stand up for our freedom!!!!!
fisheye | 05.04.06 - 9:35 pm | #

Rumsfeld will resign. Bet on it. It's getting out of hand.
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 9:36 pm | #

Notice nobody in the MSM is rushing to find the clips where Rumsfeld categorically stated he knew where the WMDs were. If a CIA analyst of 27 years says Rumsfeld made that statement, you can bet Rumsfeld said it. I want to see that clip.
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 9:39 pm | #

It scares me when Mr aspartame/tamiflu talks about "attacking his own people" with chemical weapons...
Namaste2you | 05.04.06 - 9:40 pm | #

What a pathetic, fraudulent, poor excuse for a man that is our Secretary of Defense. "Why did our troops put on chemical protective weapon suits? Well, because you told them to you moron. This from the man that brought us the PNAC and Tamiflu. I am so tired of being fed meadow muffins.
Corporate Greed | 05.04.06 - 9:54 pm | #

Ray McGovern didn't begin questioning Rumsfeld here:


QUESTION: So I would like to ask you to be up front with the American people, why did you lie to get us into a war that was not necessary, that has caused these kinds of casualties? why?

McGovern laid out a long indictment before the "So, I would like to ask you."


Does anybody have that in video clip, audio or rush transcript? I heard it on Keith Olbermann earlier.
Maven | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 9:55 pm | #

The MSM is finally pointing out the lies. The people who protested at this meeting are my heroes!!!!!
Lilly | 05.04.06 - 10:01 pm | #

Wooo!
The Liberal Avenger | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 10:03 pm | #

I wonder if he's gonna sponsor another Freedom Walk this year?

Again:

Donald Rumsfeld, douchebag


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Andrew | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 10:07 pm | #

Oh, yeah

/b !



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Andrew | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 10:08 pm | #

it'd be nice if rummy'd submit to a psychological evaluation as well as a drug screen before he's allowed to make another decision regarding the future of this great nation of ours. we require it of our astronauts, why not the guy overlooking our arsenal?
bullfrog | 05.04.06 - 10:11 pm | #

and how 'bout a polygraph for good measure...
bullfrog | 05.04.06 - 10:12 pm | #

How about a colonoscopy...

with concertina wire.
Che's Lounge | 05.04.06 - 10:24 pm | #

Ray McGovern was just interviewed on Anderson Cooper. Extremely well spoken, factual, and credible...Hope someone got that.
Mara | 05.04.06 - 10:30 pm | #

Mar 2003
On This Week with George Stephanopoulos,
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "the area… that coalition forces control… happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 10:33 pm | #

Mar 2003
On Face the Nation,
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command and control arrangements have been established."
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 10:35 pm | #

McGovern should have turned around and told everyone of the complicit journalists present "I am asking the questions that you should have been asking for years!".
Steambomb | 05.04.06 - 10:35 pm | #

http://www.michaelmoore.com/ has the lieing clip
mudpuppy | 05.04.06 - 10:37 pm | #

Sep 2002
During a press conference in Warsaw Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is asked by a reporter "Are there linkages between al Qaeda and Iraq, and where are they?" Rumsfeld replies: "The deputy director of Central Intelligence briefed on that subject. I have no desire to go beyond saying the answer is yes."
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 10:37 pm | #

Sep 2002
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells the Senate Armed Services Commitee: "There are a number of terrorist states pursuing weapons of mass destruction - Iran, Libya, North Korea, Syria, just to name a few - but no terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people than the regime of Saddam Hussein and Iraq."
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 10:41 pm | #

Rumsfeld caught lying on Face the Nation in March 2004:

Sec. RUMSFELD: Well, you're the--you and a few other critics are the only people I've heard use the phrase "immediate threat." I didn't. The president didn't. And it's become kind of folklore that that's--that's what's happened. The president went...

SCHIEFFER: You're saying that nobody in the administration said that.

Sec. RUMSFELD: I--I can't speak for nobody--everybody in the administration and say nobody said that.

SCHIEFFER: Vice president didn't say that? The...

Sec. RUMSFELD: Not--if--if you have any citations, I'd like to see 'em.

Mr. FRIEDMAN: We have one here. It says "some have argued that the nu"--this is you speaking--"that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent, that Saddam is at least five to seven years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain."

Jan 2003
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares: "Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons... His regime is paying a high price to pursue weapons of mass destruction -- giving up billions of dollars in oil revenue. His regime has large, unaccounted for stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons -- including VX, sarin, cyclosarin and mustard gas; anthrax, botulism, and possibly smallpox -- and he has an active program to acquire and develop nuclear weapons."
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 10:42 pm | #

Mar 1984
Rumsfeld meets with Tariq Aziz, telling the Iraqi foreign minister that the United States squarely supports Saddam's regime. He also characterizes America's recent condemnation of their using chemical weapons was made "strictly" in principle.
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 10:43 pm | #

Not in the intelligence business? What the hell is he talking about? The Department of Defense control the Intel budget!
What a lying sack of shit!
Gary | 05.04.06 - 10:44 pm | #

All of these quotes - fact-based, BTW- were taken from Donald Rumsfeld's biography on ... appropriately enough... rotten.com
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 10:45 pm | #

Why don't we do what the illegal immigrants do and boycott.

Boycott CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc. A loss of revenue from ads should get their attention. Stop buying the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, etc.

Web blogs seem to be the only way an individual can get accurate news reports.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 10:49 pm | #

LIAR LIAR pants on fire!


Karma is coming back to bite all these corrupt RepubliCONs in the ass!


The end of their administration is VERY near. (Nov'06)
FunMe | 05.04.06 - 10:53 pm | #

Rumsfeld caught with his pants down again.
Enja | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 10:54 pm | #

Hell yeah. As much as the Colbert thing was entertaining, its good to see 27 year CIA anaylyst Mcgovern take it to Rumsfeld. Mcgovern has publicly said he thinks the US was complicit in 9/11, and also said he wouldnt be surprised if the US helped stage another attack in the future.
pockybot | 05.04.06 - 11:07 pm | #

>also said he wouldnt be surprised if the US helped stage another attack in the future.>


We did that already. It was called 'anthrax'.
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 11:11 pm | #

What was up with that "let him stay" bit?? Were some of the zombie thugs in the audience trying to eject Ray McGovern?? Don't expect anybody in the main stream media to mention this. We have no functioning media in this country anymore, why do you think the wingnuts have such an obsession with the blogs? The Liberal blogs can't be bought; they can't be controlled and, despite their repeated lame attempts, the MSM can't marginalize the blogs. Dumbsfeld got called a fucking liar, right to his face, and no amount of bought and paid for rightwing spin is gonna change that.
GENE214 | 05.04.06 - 11:11 pm | #

tyree | 05.04.06 - 4:34 pm | #

i guess tyree got a spell checker...either that or copy-paste

lol
carter | 05.04.06 - 11:13 pm | #

This is what we are fighting for you pack of un-American traitorous losers...

http://www.strategypage.com/ gall...06429222552.asp

Watch the video to see what our brave sons and daughters are doing to protect your freedom...

The freedom that gives you traitors the right to cry and whine on the page of this 'red' site.
Ernest T. Bass | 05.04.06 - 11:13 pm | #

Their defense is we are not lying if we believe what we are saying.

By that rational a psychopathical liar always tell the truth.
DanInAlabama | 05.04.06 - 11:20 pm | #

i think if you look hard ,you can see rummy's pants starting to catch on fire.
Anonymous | 05.04.06 - 11:23 pm | #

Ernest - The crooks and liars of this government put our sons and daughters there to get blown up and shot at. Open your eyes.
Eric L. | 05.04.06 - 11:26 pm | #

The local news showed a clip of a young man with very short hair, looked like he was military or maybe ex-military (perhaps an OIF vet himself) started off with shouting at Rummy "You are a war criminal! That man on stage is a war criminal!"

If that was the first protestor to make themselves known then it set a very ominous tone for all the remaining protestors. A woman holding a banner that read "Guilty of war crimes" was also shouting at Rummy the Dummy before she was quickly hustled off.

That might help explain both the resentment to Ray McGovern by the audience and security wanting to escort him out of there even though he was refraining from what other protestors were doing, and that was being disruptive (even though they were largely correct in their claims)

Either way, Rummy and the neocons are feeling the HEAT from Americans, and no longer will many of us be lied to and take it sitting down.

My hat is off to all true patriots who refuse to be lied to by bumbling, corrupt, scheming Republicans who squander American lives and blame others for their lies.
odanny | 05.04.06 - 11:38 pm | #

You're an idiot Ernest! Read about Op Swift Sword from someone who was actually there instead of just drinking the Kool-Aid your Fox Propaganda Network pumps out.

http://billputnam.blogspot.com/2...word-day- 1.html

Educate yourself man!
Nate | Homepage | 05.04.06 - 11:40 pm | #

Runmmy's finished. It really is over for him. They can't allow him to be out there representin' when he's attracting this kind of heat. Look for Rummy to resign in order to seek out his family, in an effort to spend more time with them.
Henny Penny | 05.04.06 - 11:42 pm | #

13 Aug 1996
"Rummy [Donald Rumsfeld] used to get even with guys in the White House by leaking stuff to [Dan] Rather that didn't have any basis in fact."

Tom Brokaw, taped from a satellite transmission that he did not know was being broadcast.
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 11:47 pm | #

12 Feb 2002

Donald Rumsfeld, at a Department of Defense Briefing

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones."
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 11:50 pm | #

I remember seeing a photo of Rummy shaking hands with Saddam so I googled it and chose this link:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSA...SAEBB/NSAEBB82/

An interesting read, If anyone should know about chemical weapons in Iraq it would be Rummy, he was real cozy with that regime.
Anonymous | 05.05.06 - 12:02 am | #

cnn referred to McGovern who was on of Bush senior's chief intelligence officers as "some man who claimed he used to work for the CIA". In the same day they claimed that Moosehairy was one of the principals of the 911 attacks, they can't find out who Ray McGovern is, the guy they should have used as their analyst before the great Iraq tragedy, before the end of our empire, and the end of dollar hegemony.
bozo | Homepage | 05.05.06 - 12:05 am | #

March 18, 2003
Barbara Bush on ABC/Good Morning America,
"But why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's, it's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that? And watch him suffer. "
FOX SECURITY | 05.05.06 - 12:07 am | #

Oh, yeah, that was impressive, Rummy.
éverdade | 05.05.06 - 12:10 am | #

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." -- Vice President Dick Cheney in an August 26, 2002, speech to the VFW National Convention.
Andres | 05.05.06 - 12:17 am | #

cnn referred to McGovern who was on of Bush senior's chief intelligence officers as "some man who claimed he used to work for the CIA". In the same day they claimed that Moosehairy was one of the principals of the 911 attacks, they can't find out who Ray McGovern is, the guy they should have used as their analyst before the great Iraq tragedy, before the end of our empire, and the end of dollar hegemony.
bozo | Homepage | 05.05.06 - 12:21 am | #

Less we forget,

Cynthia McKinney takes on Donald Rumsfeld
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...ch=rumsfeld% 20#

SLAYER! 06/06/06
Slaytanic | Homepage | 05.05.06 - 12:24 am | #

Feb. 20, 2003
CBS NEWS: Inspectors Call U.S. Tips 'Garbage'

CBS) While diplomatic maneuvering continues over Turkish bases and a new United Nations resolution, inside Iraq, U.N. arms inspectors are privately complaining about the quality of U.S. intelligence and accusing the United States of sending them on wild-goose chases.

CBS News Correspondent Mark Phillips reports the U.N. has been taking a precise inventory of Iraq's al-Samoud 2 missile arsenal, determining how many there are and where they are.

Discovering that the al-Samoud 2 has been flying too far in tests has been one of the inspectors' major successes. But the missile has only been exceeding its 93-mile limit by about 15 miles and that, the Iraqis say, is because it isn't yet loaded down with its guidance system. The al-Samoud 2 is not the 800-mile-plus range missile that Secretary of State Colin Powell insists Iraq is developing.

In fact, the U.S. claim that Iraq is developing missiles that could hit its neighbors – or U.S. troops in the region, or even Israel – is just one of the claims coming from Washington that inspectors here are finding increasingly unbelievable. The inspectors have become so frustrated trying to chase down unspecific or ambiguous U.S. leads that they've begun to express that anger privately in no uncertain terms.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/ 2...ain537096.shtml
FOX SECURITY | 05.05.06 - 12:39 am | #

ernest bass i never asked them to yah hear??????
tyree | 05.05.06 - 12:52 am | #

carter you think i care ? sonny?
tyree | 05.05.06 - 12:55 am | #

On Countdown, Richard Wolffe pointed out that Rummy's statement that he is "not in the intelligence business" is false. The DoD has its own rather large intelligence operation.

It was, in fact, the DIA that sent Colin Powell to the UN loaded with bogus intel. And yet, confronted with his own mendacity, Rummy hides behind the fact that Powell believed the lies he was given by Rummy's own crew.
roberto | Homepage | 05.05.06 - 1:25 am | #

the AP called R.M. a "heckler", so I guess they belong to the liars club, along with Rumsfeld and the AP didnt mention one fricken question he asked.
The Associated Press ought to be ashamed of themselves for their censorship, not to mention not CBS, NBC or ABC mentioned rumsfeld did say he knew where WMD's where, not "suspected,in addition ABC where he said made the statement censored the fact, showing this so called "news" media is doing a better job than PRAVDA.
Fred | 05.05.06 - 1:29 am | #

I could give a tinkers damned less what Bush, Chenney or Rumsfeld does anymore because it seems almost everything they DO SUCKS BIG TIME and almost everything they say is a DAMNED LIE BIG TIME.
Ted | 05.05.06 - 2:01 am | #

Were the military men who wore the chemical suits making a fashion statement or not?
Neither yes, or no.
Anyone who's ever been in any branch of the US military knows, Rumsfeld, you bull-shitting bozo, can tell you why they wore the suits - they were ordered to wear them!
And they received those orders from people far higher-up on the miiitary and political food-chain than the grunts on the ground.
Maybe you fooled other elitists like yourself who never found it... appealing... to join the service and serve your country in a more realistic and patriotic way than hanging around the royal DC-court with your hand out for the bribes and your heart set on power.
But others of us HAVE served in the military. What we do and what we did was what we were told. That smart-assed answer about the grunts choosing what to wear only pissed me off more.
When will the American sheeple wake-up and throw all of you criminals in prison where you belong?
It won't be too soon for me.
Anonymous | 05.05.06 - 2:08 am | #

I could give a tinkers damned less what Bush, Chenney or Rumsfeld do anymore because it seems almost everything they DO SUCKS and almost everything they SAY is a DAMNED LIE,
This whole situation including their big brother wiretapping and invading privacy SUCKS BIG TIME!
Ted | 05.05.06 - 2:14 am | #

That was luscious!! McGovern PWNED rummy!!
ditchwitch | 05.05.06 - 2:38 am | #

I would love to know the man's name to send him a thank you card.

What is it with America where so many are afraid of the truth.
sctobrien | Homepage | 05.05.06 - 2:41 am | #

There was a 20 second spot of this on my nightly local news, however, it focused on the Hecklers in the audience and Donald R's. refusal that he lied.

Thank goodness for the blogosphere so that the truth can get out.
Liberty lover | 05.05.06 - 2:46 am | #

in the transcript of the exchange between Rummy and Mcgovern we need to change "non-secretor" to non sequitur.
ditchwitch | 05.05.06 - 2:46 am | #

NOT IN THE INTELLIGENCE BUSINESS???

LIAR! You control the Intelligence budget!

The White House Iraq Group (WHIG) was a Pentagon Program specifically designed to manufacture false and misleading intelligence:

KEY QUOTE:

LAMB: You wrote one of the things that we don’t often hear from inside, that Bill Luti referred to the Chief of Central Command, Anthony Zinni, as a traitor.

KWIATKOSKI: Former Chief of Central Command Anthony Zinni, Tommy Frank’s predecessor. Yes, he did, and right in front of the refrigerator that sat two feet from my desk.


KWIATKOSKI: Well, I was actually against the war when I was in the Pentagon, and the reason had to do with what I felt to be lies, not so much lies told to the American people, but lies, in fact, promulgated on us inside the Pentagon. I worked in Near East-South Asia Policy. Doug Feith was our boss, over me and 1,000 other people in Policy. The Office of Special Plans had been formed from our office, staffed with political appointees, and they were producing, in the fall of 2002 and ’03, and the winter and spring of 2003, talking points for us to use in our own papers, and those talking points did not match the intelligence that we had previously used to put together our papers and our work. So, I felt that we were being lied to.

Now, it was made worse when I saw the president and vice president make speeches and heard what they were saying because it seemed as if they were also speaking from these same talking points. And so, that means, in my view, they were also lying to the American people.

C-SPAN Interview April 2, 2006
Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski
U.S. Air Force, 1983-2003

http://www.q-and-a.org/Transcrip...? ProgramID=1069
plunger | 05.05.06 - 4:54 am | #

Look, if we have rush limbaugh saying "There was no arrest," while he's muggin for his mug shot, and paying a 30,000 fine, and the jailer saying it is an arrest...don rumsfeld can get away with claims where the proof is a couple of years in the past.

These people are unprincipled. This is not a game.
JoshDestardi | 05.05.06 - 5:10 am | #

Rumsfeld commanding his SS-troops..."Not now, the media is looking. Wait until later and then make him suffer."
Corpses Made By Bush&Cheney | 05.05.06 - 5:47 am | #

Rumsfeld: "My words-my words"

My words don't MEAN anything. We make it up as we go along. Don't listen to my words. I lied to you before. What makes you think I'll do anything differently now.

I wonder if Richard Cohen will call this questioner a "bully".
starwheel | 05.05.06 - 6:10 am | #

I guess blame that one on the democrats!
Joseph Sy | 05.05.06 - 7:51 am | #

Mr. McGovern did exactly what the media should have been doing in the fluff-up to the war. And he set an example for the rest of us - use their own words to hold their feet to the fire and force them to admit that they were either deceitful or very stupid.

I'm concerned with the physical violence some in the audience turned on the protestors. I saw a clip that showed two male protestors and two female protestors. One male was standing silent wearing a call for impeachment - he stood with his back to Rumsfield. The other man was speaking his mind and was taken out.

There were also two female protestors. The first held a banner and the two men in the seats in front of her turned, grabbed the banner, and violently yanked on it as the woman held tight, being yanked with the banner. Finally the thugs got it away from her. She was removed from room. Another woman stood and held a banner. A woman sitting behind her stood and grabbed her back or arm and was trying to get the banner. She was also taken out.

I'm not sure, but I think the actions taken against both women by the other attendees constitutes battery. I hope protestors will file assult/battery charges against those hateful people who think they can use physical force to muzzle the truth.

I suggest that anyone who has a camera and sees such behavior, get it on tape, and try to get the face of the attacker on tape also. As long as they think they're above the law, that kind of aggression toward protestors will escalate. A few law suits may remind them how they are expected to behave, whether they like a person's words or not.

At a minimum, the thugs faces, names, and jobs should be posted on the internet. That probably would serve as a deterrent also, though not as much as having to pay a monetary judgement to a protestor.
Jami | 05.05.06 - 7:57 am | #

that senile old bastard rumsfeldt saying thoes soldiers only wore nerve gas gear because they wanted to is full of shit ,you wear the gear your ordered to, the militarys not a democracy, i loaded a 3inch fifty all pourpose gun on my ship dureing the korean war ,at first i was required to wear a life jacket and my helmet while loading my gun, that was restricting enough then they furnished us with flack jackets and had to wear that allso , the only help that would have been was if you got hit by a glanceing blow from schrapnel , but it wasnt worth the discomfort it caused , but if id left it off theyd have hung me for it!!rumsfelds a dipstick
tyree | 05.05.06 - 8:53 am | #

Keith Olberman took it

http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=q...search=rumsfeld
Godles | 05.05.06 - 8:56 am | #

Rummy - the McClellan of the Pentagon

Its a good thing he wasn't navigating with Magellan

As for who believes in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, and the Easter Bunny...probably the same people that believe the Republicans are better on defense spending (180 Billion dollar missile defense system that STILL DOESN'T WORK (design flaw...but you wouldn't know it from the Pentagon) and gets money thrown at it - V22 Osprey, etc, etc... The only thing this admin has done right is green light the F22 fleet, and even that has been pushed aside and placed on the ever present tilt-a-whirl that is the Pentagon-give-me-some-love-defense contractor...err..contributor of the month club laundromat operation The #1 Defense budget in the world at 440 Billion a year (compared to #2 - $9 Bill Russia & #3 - $7 Bill China annual defense budgets) and we can't secure our ports... BS!!!
right wing hater | Homepage | 05.05.06 - 9:04 am | #

Whole segment

http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=j...search=rumsfeld
Godles | 05.05.06 - 9:07 am | #

wonder what this is all about..?

http://www.utne.com/cgi-bin/udt/...& story.id=10549
bullfrog | 05.05.06 - 9:07 am | #

let's see, prescott bush made his fortune doing business with the nazis, rummy helped sell wmd's to saddam hussein during the reagan administration, the bushes are tight family friends with the bin ladens and now it turns out rummy's old company made $$$ selling nuke equipment to north korea.

why do the neocons hate america so much?
bullfrog | 05.05.06 - 9:10 am | #

I am a little concerend that Rummy's statement :'let him, no, let him stay* was not addressed.

Was this brave citizen about to be hushered and ushered off the floor? I hate to say this (my goodness can you believe it)-- wise choice by Rummy to allow dissention to be heard.

Anyone know what was happening? Was the gentleman about to be escorted out?

We need more brave voices to be broadcasted (preferable live, so nothing can be manipulated) by the MSM.
expatden | 05.05.06 - 9:37 am | #

A street corner rummy could've planned the war better.
ysbaddaden | 05.05.06 - 9:41 am | #

On Countdown, Richard Wolffe pointed out that Rummy's statement that he is "not in the intelligence business" is false. The DoD has its own rather large intelligence operation.

It was, in fact, the DIA that sent Colin Powell to the UN loaded with bogus intel. And yet, confronted with his own mendacity, Rummy hides behind the fact that Powell believed the lies he was given by Rummy's own crew.
roberto | Homepage | 05.05.06 - 1:25 am |
_____________________________________

Was it the DIA that Rummy used for intelligence instead of the CIA? Although it smacks of conspiracy theories that I avoid, could one trace the tortures of "phantom" prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo all the way up the chain of command, through the DIA, to Rummy himself?
ysbaddaden | 05.05.06 - 9:45 am | #

I remember so well when the "Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat" statement was launched. I was amazed no one called Rummy on it. All he did was name the two most well-known cities in Iraq at the time, and E, W, S, and North is just a bullshit way of saying "all around." All this after saying, "We know exactly where they are."

In other words, his statement said NOTHING, and the media just ate it up with a spoon. Disgusting.
FishtownTom | 05.05.06 - 10:01 am | #

So Rumsfeld mentions Powell, then Runsfeld is rendered totally speachless by the CIA guy, obviously, what else can he say...nothing!

Wait for the rabid GOP and its mercenaries to go kung fu on McGovern
Wanger | 05.05.06 - 10:31 am | #

Who asked the next question, Jeff Gannon?
nabwcm | 05.05.06 - 10:42 am | #

Sammie | 05.05.06 - 9:56 am

Your check is in the mail.
House of Saud | 05.05.06 - 10:44 am | #

heh heh before when they needed the alkidaq to be tough ruthless experienced bastards guys like zacouui were touted as tough guys ,now they need them to look like a bunch of pusseys ,cant even shoot a gun right! it reminds me of generald almond in the korean war he was mc arthurs rah rah boy, almond helicoptered into the 7th divishions 5th battalion of army troops who were surrounded by massive chinese troop consintrations he went around giveing out bronz stars to eny one that would take one , he jovialy laughed you boys arent going to let a bunch of laundy men stop you are you? most of the guys threw them away, almond got back into the safety of his helicopter and got the hell out of there the next day one whole batallion of the 7th the ones almond gave the cheer leading speach to were over run and massacred , so much for chinese laundry men!
tyree | 05.05.06 - 10:59 am | #

Watched all the way to the end. The always have a toadie to come to their rescue.
danfromny | 05.05.06 - 11:13 am | #

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...h?v=7s1JLEU9- Wg

Ray McGovern on Anderson Cooper
360 | 05.05.06 - 11:24 am | #

Go thank Ray: http://ThankYouRayMcGovern.org
See the related DailyKos diary.
grokgov | Homepage | 05.05.06 - 11:27 am | #

What a pig
Doomaflatch | 05.05.06 - 11:39 am | #

From an article called CIA Renegades

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Arti...m/ Arti...le.asp? ID=19643
**
Left leaning...lol
Now I totally understand why JFK wanted to abolish it!!
Swanny | Homepage | 05.05.06 - 11:44 am | #

Kurt | 05.04.06 - 9:18 pm |
FOX SECURITY | 05.04.06 - 9:39 pm |
NBC edited the thig to make it look like Mcovern was full af shit.
Captain Kangaroo | 05.05.06 - 11:45 am | #

I sent NBc an email that stated:
I am as disappointed in your network Newscast as I have ever been. Last night on the Nightly News you covered Rumsfeld's appearance before a group in Atlanta. While you covered the anti-war protesters you did a disservice to the viewers when you edited McGovern's question/comments. When McGovern questioned Rumsfeld about his allegation that al Qeada and Iraq were connected Rumsfeld stated that "Zarqawi was in Baghdad during the prewar period". When Mr. McGovern pointed out that Zarqawi was only in Baghdad to go to the hospital you cut it out. You edited it in such a way as to make it look like Rumsfeld pointed out a misstatement by Mr. McGovern and Zarqawi was in Baghdad to be part and parcel with Saddam. This is what got into this war in the first place. By making is sound like al Qeada and Saddam were connected, the Bush administration scared the American people into believing that Iraq needed to be invaded. We now know this was not true yet you STILL edit your broadcast in such a fashion as to make it seem like Saddam and al Qaeda were connected. You mislead your viewers. You blatantly mislead your viewers. If I ever watch your Nightly News again I will do it with skepticism. You have lost your credibility with me and everybody else I am telling about this. If I tell 20 people who watch your Nightly News and they tell 10 more people, well you can see where it goes. And this will happen because people are very upset that this administration with the help of the mainstream media lead us into this war under false pretences. This was a major blunder on your part and you should correct the misinformation at the next possible opportunity.
Captain Kangaroo | 05.05.06 - 11:46 am | #

It's ashame that it's the public in some town hall meeting who are confronting these liars...when our own congress should be doing their job and puttiong those questions at senate hearings
Don | 05.05.06 - 11:51 am | #

Echoing a few other's comments: For one year, nine months, and seventeen days I served in the military and when on duty during those days, I cannot recall ever having been given any choices regarding attire or which equipment to use. In the military one follows orders, period, and it's pathetic that Rummy could pull off his statement about the chemical suits without being openly ridiculed. Where the hell is the press?
Thomas M. | 05.05.06 - 11:52 am | #

If you listen closely to the very beginning of the clip, you may notice that the African American men who are escorted out are accosted with
"Get 'em out of here"
"N-----s!"
Greg T | 05.05.06 - 12:08 pm | #

Well what kind of people in Georga do you suppose are going to use their time going to support Rumsfeld?


Sub human degenerates ...that say "Naygurs"...no big suprise there..


Except maybe for those Freeper idiots that still think it is Democrats who are the racists....I mean these guys are the epitomy of hypocrisy...they have Swastika tattos on their throat ...and call us racists...
rduke | 05.05.06 - 1:37 pm | #

WHAT IS UP with all those ass-kissers in the audience? (What was the question that the idiot talking at the end finally asked?)
Is it that the Republicans plant their stooges in the audience ("I didn't get a 'harumph' from you").
laughingboy | 05.05.06 - 1:47 pm | #

Holy Shit. This guy almost gets thrown out of the building for asking a question? During a question and answer session? This is democracy? He wasnt shouting from the crowd or making a scene.

Unreal.
Turd Fergusson | 05.05.06 - 2:02 pm | #

Anytime you hear someone agreeing with bushco or the right wingnuts, just address them with their proper name: "BACKWASH"... Say it with me, as you listen to that audience applauding Rummy's lies: "BACKWASH!"

It feels great, and it's so true. Thanks, Stephen!
Hannah | 05.05.06 - 2:16 pm | #

Ronald Dumsfeld. Secretary of defense, former CEO, and moron.
impeachthechimp | 05.05.06 - 2:22 pm | #

Nicely said Sir! Finally a person with courage enough to stand up to these guys and call them on their bs.
Anonymous | 05.05.06 - 2:24 pm | #

non sequitur: a reply that has no relevance to what preceded it.

Perfect.
Somos familia | 05.05.06 - 10:12 pm | #