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j-town | 05.13.06 - 3:39 pm | #

I'd like to hug that woman.
Randi kicks more ass than that little douche ever will.
grimcity | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:39 pm | #

NAILED. Totally NAILED. Ferguson's probably simpering right now about "a badge of honor," but deep down inside, you know that HE knows he got totally NAILED.
Happenstance | 05.13.06 - 3:40 pm | #

**pwned**

But I wish Randi would get rid of the "That Girl" hairstyle.

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dzog | 05.13.06 - 3:40 pm | #

I love Randi,she made the best argument I've ever seem on the msm.Shes a hoot because she just will not shut up! Go Randi!
laura | 05.13.06 - 3:41 pm | #

Randi may have her heart in the right place, but she comes across as batshitcrazy.
Southern Decency | 05.13.06 - 3:41 pm | #

randi's a nut, and so is that kid she was talking to.
cakewalk my ass | 05.13.06 - 3:42 pm | #

i'm not sure i'd identify myself as a liberal (b/c i'm really just not)...but i'm about as anti-bush and as anti-this administration as you can possibly get...and i can't STAND RANDI RHODES.

someone needs to sit this woman down and show her some manners. she comes off looking exactly how the right wants liberals to...out of control.
alien | 05.13.06 - 3:43 pm | #

Last time I checked, the Yankees weren't Shanghaiing and stop-lossing 50 year-old grandmothers.
kingshakabobo | 05.13.06 - 3:44 pm | #

dzog

Who cares what kind of hairstyle she has? She is a truth-seeker & truth-speaker unparalleled.
Canadian Observer | 05.13.06 - 3:45 pm | #

everyone critiques her "ways" in which delivers the message, but then again the truth hurts. What else can they say about her?
Nyc-dude | 05.13.06 - 3:47 pm | #

I don't know. She doesn't appear as spastic as some of the right wingers that are on the talk shows. Let's face it, we all think Rush and O'Reilly are complete retards, but they still irritate us.

That's all she's doing. Maybe she does sound out of control, but you know that she gets under their skin. Anything that causes them discomfort is fine by me.

And she did totally own that little prick. You know it drives them crazy that she was in the military.
screwedrus | 05.13.06 - 3:48 pm | #

alien is right. she's a rude, obnoxious woman.
cakewalk my ass | 05.13.06 - 3:48 pm | #

Why does Randi Rhodes come across as a hysterical liberal? Her performance was pathetic.
kerplunk | 05.13.06 - 3:50 pm | #

I have been in LUST with this woman's voice for a long time now, nice to know she looks just as good as the radio she gives. She cut off this smarmy, pastey faced, chickenhawk, chickenshit frat boys nuts and fed them to him. RIGHT THE FUCK ON! The ONLY way you can get the truth out is if you just keep on talking over these scumbags when they try to interupt. Liberal/progressives have been playing nice by the Marque of Queensbury rules and getting their heads handed to them. Stop making nice and kick these neoconazis in their pathetically small NUTS! YOU GO GIRL!
secularhumanizinevoluter | 05.13.06 - 3:51 pm | #

You Randi bashers are full of shit. We're damn lucky to have her on TV.

dr nobody | 05.13.06 - 3:51 pm | #

I (for just one) adore Randi Rhodes. Nobody does talk radio better than she does. She gave that pitiful stripling just what he deserved!!
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S.O.S. from MA | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:52 pm | #

I don't think she's rude and obnoxious. She just has a low threshold of tolerance for Bushco's bullshit. It frustrates her that people can't see the obvious self-serving criminality of it all.

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dzog | 05.13.06 - 3:53 pm | #

America dont like the cut of your jib libs.
grandma's own cooking | 05.13.06 - 3:54 pm | #

Go Randi! I listen to her radio show on air america while in the car sometimes. Shes right on the money as usual.

She wouldnt have to be a bitch and talk over those jackasses if they would be gentlemen and give her a turn to talk. If you live in a glass house you shouldnt throw rocks. They got what they deserve.
TheLizardKing | 05.13.06 - 3:55 pm | #

"Just because i support the Constitution doesn't mean i believe in free speech."

I wonder what baseball would be like if the players had no gloves or bats and had to play with four players.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:55 pm | #

Maybe she does sound out of control, but you know that she gets under their skin. Anything that causes them discomfort is fine by me.

That is exactly what I love about her. I bet Coulter and Hannity would never have the balls to go one-on-one with her like last nights show. Ferguson is a dweeb.
VomitheKoolAid | 05.13.06 - 3:56 pm | #

Come line up at granny's buffet libs: down home cookin', heartland values, muskrats in summer canals, fourth of july parades, slingshot confetti, antelope hunts, purple fields, starry vistas, jackrabbit stew, cloudless
days, autumnal hymns, mangy rivers, fermaldyhyde doves, cisterns of homemade wine, soggy bread, eggs of dawn, all that and more and then some will save you lives libbies!
grandma's own cooking | 05.13.06 - 3:56 pm | #

Any armchair psychologists care to deconstruct Ben's desire to cover half his face with his hair?

Don't worry about the castigation from armchairing. Ben apparently does it for a living, probably from his mother's basement.

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Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:56 pm | #

I understand the "why don't you serve" argument is a way of calling out the chickenhawks on their hypocrisy, but when it's oversimplified I don't buy it. I wouldn't enlist just because there's a military action I support, any more than I would join the police force just because I believe their job is necessary.

The people who promote the war in Iraq claim it's a battle for the fate of the world. They claim it's a cause at the moral level of defeating Hitler in World War II. I think the "why don't you enlist" argument always needs to specifically attack that premise: "*If you think it's that important*, why don't you enlist?" I'm not sure I'd even aim the question at the individual, since it's always an individual choice regardless. I'd ask, "Why aren't more supporters of the war enlisting?" But that might be too abstract and easy to dodge.
snoozer | 05.13.06 - 3:56 pm | #

I did notice how the right-wing chicken hawk tried to blame liberals for the troops not having enough body armor, even though the republicans control the purse strings, who the defense contracts go to, the house/senate/executive branch/etc.

He's following the classic Rovian trick of setting up a false framing of the debate to skew public perception: liberals don't support the war in Iraq, therefore they don't support the troops. Total BS--he's trying to equate Bush's war policy with the value of American soldiers.

We need to call them out each and every time they pull this unethical and manipulative crap.

- Tom
Tom | 05.13.06 - 3:57 pm | #

First time I've ever seen the VBen and his dead eyes are super-creepy. We need to start giving sociopath-detection training to everyday Americans!

Also interesting to note the difference in mike volumes. No trouble hearing VBen at all. Randi, not so much.
JillK. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 3:57 pm | #

looks bad.
yep | 05.13.06 - 3:57 pm | #

I'm changing hardrives on my computers, so I won't be posting much until later....
C&L | 05.13.06 - 3:58 pm | #

Ben boy tries to counter Randi's arugment that the troops don't have body armor by saying it's because the liberals call Iraq a quagmire? Last time I checked, it was the Republicans that are running the White House, the Congress, and the Pentagon.

And yeah, Randi's a little over the top, but I loved hearing her say "When I was 22 I was in the military, why aren't you?"
g | 05.13.06 - 4:00 pm | #

CALLER: I was curious as to, you know, obviously what's trying to be accomplished is admirable, but at what point would those two gentlemen concede that it's probably not going to work out? I mean, how many more years do we need to go down this road for people to finally -- for people to support it right now, to come to the conclusion that it's probably not going to work out?

FERGUSON: I don't think you can have that mentality. I think you have to win this thing because I think the rest of the world is looking at us right now. And who else would ever trust us to come to their aid if we just back out? We have to win this thing. We're over there. We've got to make sure we help them see this through and then we walk away.

If we even have the talk of pulling out early, the insurgents over there are going to think they're genuinely winning this war. When you hear all the talk from many people saying it's a quagmire or we're losing, the insurgents over there they take that as reality. They genuinely believe that they're winning, and they go -- and they go after soldiers…”

Ferguson: “Just bc I support something doesn’t mean I have to always go fight it…I support the Yankees…”

Very Interesting....Indeed
iRoc | 05.13.06 - 4:01 pm | #

Jillk:
That's not the "VBen". The porn expert VBen is Ben Shapiro. He needs to talk to Randi sometime, too.
Southern Decency | 05.13.06 - 4:03 pm | #

WHY DOES THAT PIG HAVE TO RUIN THE NAME OF THE GREATEST GUITARIST WHO EVER LIVED???..SHES ABOUT AS UGLY AS HER RATINGS...TYPICAL DEFEATIST LIBERAL "WISH IT WAS THE 60'S" HAS-BEEN. SHE ALWAYS SCREECHES ABOUT BEING IN THE MILITARY, LIKE THAT MAKES HER AN EXPERT OR SOMETHING..FIRST, WOMEN IN THE MILITARY IS JUST A NOVELTY, SHE DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT COMBAT...THE CASUALTIES FOR THIS OPERATION HAVE BEEN VERY LOW, ....BROAD IS JUST ANOTHER LIB KOOK WHOS JEALOUS OF HER OWN COUNTRIES MILITARY POWER. I KNOW ONE THING, IF YOU LIBS EVER GET IN CHARGE OF THIS COUNTRYS SECURITY, ID STAY THE FUCK OUT OF THE SEARS TOWER IN CHICAGO...NOTHIN GCHANGES IN NOVEMBER..BWAAAAAAAAA
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 4:04 pm | #

Damage Contorl
PoliShifter | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:05 pm | #

I like Randi better on TV than radio - someone give this woman a show!
caravelle | 05.13.06 - 4:06 pm | #

I like Randi because she said the exact same thing that I was thinking This frat boy should be in one of the armed services instead sitting on the sidelines chearing, YOU can always tell a CHICKENHAWK, when it comes to Bleeding and Dying for this COUNTRY they are no where to be found The REPUBLICANS are GREAT at starting WARS BUT NOT FIGHTING THEM SO I AM GLAD RANDI RHODES PLUCKED THAT CHICKENHAWKS FEATHERS. H.D. COLE
H.D. COLE | 05.13.06 - 4:07 pm | #

What a baby. When is his mommy planning on weening him?
labdad95 | 05.13.06 - 4:09 pm | #

"*If you think it's that important*, why don't you enlist?" I'm not sure I'd even aim the question at the individual, since it's always an individual choice regardless. I'd ask, "Why aren't more supporters of the war enlisting?" But that might be too abstract and easy to dodge.
snoozer

You make a good point, although you might also mention that Ben profits from advocating the war while refusing to fight in it. Sounds like a great job..., if you can get it.
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Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:09 pm | #

My teenage son and I watched this exchange; at the commercial he asked 'Hey Dad, why isn't that guy in the army'?

I told him the truth- because republicans today are cowards.
Visitor | 05.13.06 - 4:09 pm | #

Anonymous @ 4:04p: First off, the all caps thing is just annoying.

2nd, why don't you go tell Tammy Duckworth, or Jessica Lynch or Lori Piestowa - among many many others - that they don't know shit about combat.

Oh wait...you can't ask Lori Piestowa - she died in a firefight at the beginning of the war.
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:11 pm | #

If Ben Ferguson just came out and admitted he was gay the whole subject of his possible military service would be moot.
Gaydari | 05.13.06 - 4:12 pm | #

Who is this little turd Ferguson and why should anyone give a tinker's damn what the fuck he says or thinks? 24??? Wet behind the ears, green horn little dumb ass is more like it.
numfar | 05.13.06 - 4:12 pm | #

According the Benny girl, support for the war in Iraq equals being a baseball fan.
Gaydari | 05.13.06 - 4:13 pm | #

Gosh from the comments here....any liberal who isnt soft spoken and uncomprimising is an embarassment to liberals???? screw you!!!!

Randi has her own style...she is fed up with the hours and hours of mindless republican talking points we are fed everyday....her style isnt for anyone but I would rather have her on than hear the mindless beltway drivel spun by other "TV liberals" Mara Liasson, Bob Beckel, Juan Williams, Joe Klein, and Alan Colmes ........

It is only within the last six months that people like John Aravosis, Markos, Randi and Katrina Vanhen??(sp) have even been invited to speak on national politcal programs....Get over yourselves ...we have someone who is on or side speaking for us, albeit loud and unabashed fashion....

Do you hear Conservatives complaining about that loud, ignorant, obnoxious (and no where near as intelligent as Randi) ANN COULTER....Hell No....

Liberals need to get over this fear of offending people in our party who dont exactly see eye to eye with you.......
(and no, Joe Lieberman does not count)

GOD BLESS RANDI...she truly is a credit to those of us who have progressive/liberal ideals......nuff said
lib4 | 05.13.06 - 4:15 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 4:04 pm |

i already plan on stayin' out o' the sears tower, since larry silverstein's one o' the owners.
bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 4:16 pm | #

The trolls are out in force. GOD BLESS Randi Rhodes for putting that little punk in his place.
momby | 05.13.06 - 4:16 pm | #

Anonymous @ 4:04p:

2nd, why don't you go tell Tammy Duckworth, or Jessica Lynch or Lori Piestowa - among many many others - that they don't know shit about combat For the same reason they hide behind a name tag like "Anonymous", NO BALLS!!!
VP | 05.13.06 - 4:17 pm | #

The military would be good for Ben. Boot camp would likely make a man of him.

He looks like a momma's boy now, someone easily intimidated.
Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:18 pm | #

Ben boy, Either walk the walk or shut the talk.

Ass.
Scott | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:19 pm | #

Yup, I listened to it again, Benny Girl really did equate fighting the war in Iraq with trying out for a baseball team.
Gaydari | 05.13.06 - 4:19 pm | #

bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 4:16 pm

C&A get this thread hijackers out of here.
Fred | 05.13.06 - 4:20 pm | #

Liberals need to get over this fear of offending people in our party who dont exactly see eye to eye with you.......

Absolutely! This 'play nice' bullshit is just a cover for 'don't rock the boat.'

I, for one, am sick of all the politeness and compromising the Dems have done. It's time to rock freakin' boat until they ALL fall out!
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:21 pm | #

Ben, trying so hard to pull a Hannity and talk over Randy failed. I'll take her style over the giggling "liberals" that CNN prefers. Begala, Brazille, Carville etc.
It was funny that he was so detirmined to shoot off his rehearsed "Yankee fan" line. I'm sure he and his buddies were postive that would be "checkmate"
Paul, no not that one | 05.13.06 - 4:23 pm | #

If I were gay and gay marriage were legal, I would want to marry that woman. She took that pipsqueak down without raising her little finger. You go girl!!!
flo | 05.13.06 - 4:25 pm | #

Regarding the comments about Randi's style -- I do love the fact that she doesn't back down or show mercy to fools. I've read that men often tend to interrupt women, and one way to deal with that is to keep talking over their interruptions. In her many years in the business, and due to her strong personality, she has clearly learned not to take shit from anyone.

An odd thing. Watching Randi's intonations and mannerisms a while back, I found myself reminded of Ann Coulter, of all people. Let me very quickly add that there is a *huge* difference in *content*, both emotional and factual. Randi's contempt comes from anger, not hate. And Randi doesn't "just make shit up," as Bill Maher put it (right to Coulter's face).

I generally don't like observations of the form "Just look at that fat bastard (or loud bitch, or sniveling twerp) -- you can just tell by watching them what scum they are." As a thought experiment I sometimes imagine people saying the opposite of what they're saying, and I often find I can imagine liking the looks and mannerisms of someone I dislike, or vice versa.

I guess this is a long way of saying yeah, Randi kicks ass, but the important thing is not only that she's tough, but that she's also right.
snoozer | 05.13.06 - 4:25 pm | #

that clip was rather pointless, but i suppose all of the ones invovling peppy 24-year-old cum dumpsters of the RNC usually are.
papa | 05.13.06 - 4:26 pm | #

Who the hell is that shit-stain, Ben Ferguson?

He should feel honored that Randi even acknowledged his existence. 24 years old? This prick hadn't even started puberty the last time we were in Iraq. That little fuck-puddle is just a pup with absolutely zero capital when it comes to having a political opinion worth listening to. He wasn't even old enough to vote the first time that Bush was elected.

I'd hope that more sophisticated guests could be gotten on Larry King to go up against Randi. She bitch-slapped this munchkin.
Bob Thermal | 05.13.06 - 4:26 pm | #

Randi gets her facts straight and her point across. I've never seen anyone who researches what she says more than she does. And I don't know how many times I've heard conservative Repukes call into her show and say, "I'm no longer a Republican." A lot of that has to do with the information and history she is putting out there. Thank [whatever God is to you] she's out there and now making more TV appearances! And Air America rocks. It's not only the truth, it's the damn facts!
LuLu | 05.13.06 - 4:27 pm | #

PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:21 pm | #

amen, pa_lady. how'ya been? haven't seen ya on here in a while. buy any new guns lately?
bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 4:28 pm | #

I'd hope that more sophisticated guests could be gotten on Larry King.
Bob Therma

You're joking, right?
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Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:30 pm | #

Yout transcript seems wrong. I think she says that when you come back you become a liberal because "THAT'S WHAT YOUY LEARN in the military," not because "that's why you aren't in the military." Just a small correction, but it makes her point even more poignant.

Site Monitor here: The transcripts came from CNN.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 4:31 pm | #

Cindy Sheehan and Randi Rhodes KICK ASS!

Thank God for these TRUE patriotic Americans!!
BUllSHit | 05.13.06 - 4:31 pm | #

If ALL the people who dont want to leave Iraq yet went to Iraq, Would ALL the anti war people please stop undermining the troops?
Convert | 05.13.06 - 4:32 pm | #

People who whine about Randi show a startling lack of grasp into the conservative mind. Huge swaths of conservatives are far more likely to respond to emotional tirades than the quieter, intellectual arguments preferred by most of those on the left.

Randi, with her pit-bull manner, will get her ideas into their heads. While all the "nice guys" like Colmes will just make liberals look weaker and weaker with their bloodless intellectual arguments.

Look at Gingrich. He didn't kick the left's ass by being polite. He did it by being angry and bombastic and reaching his constituency on the emotional level they understand best.

Another effective tool is humor. But very few people can be "funny" and get a political message across. John Stewart does it. So does Colbert & Franklin. But there aren't a lot who can. And what Randi does, works.

As for the "but it makes liberals look angry." So the hell what? They say that any way so it really doesn't matter, does it?
Moses | 05.13.06 - 4:32 pm | #

wtf? was he comparing Yankees with an army of one?

we have shortage of army,we don't have shortage of yankee players, do we?
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 4:33 pm | #

Randi comes across as an angry liberal because...WE ARE F***ING FURIOUS!!! I adore her, especially when she shouts over right-wing LIES. I'd do the exact same thing, and I commend her for actually NOT BACKING DOWN. It is very difficult to sit and watch the constant stream of criminal behavior flowing from those who are destroying America. You moronic right wingnuts get so bent out of shape whenever anyone DARES to refute your constant LIES. November cannot come soon enough!!!
H. Stevens | 05.13.06 - 4:33 pm | #

The desperate and hysterical 29%'ers and getting a lot more shrill, aren't they?

Much the same as wild animals are more vicious near their point of death.
detoth67 | 05.13.06 - 4:35 pm | #

bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 4:28 pm | #

Hey there froggie! I took a little break for awhile, when the comments turned into a 'beat up on the regulars' free-for-all.

And I've been working on my own blog. (In a kinda-sorta, hit-and-miss kind of way. )
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:36 pm | #

Ferguson and his ilk are the reason this Prez is at 29%. The American people no longer beleive their bullshit! Yes, young man, go join your "friends" on Iraq. I give him 24 hours TOPS before he calls home crying to mommy

Randi speaks with honesty and from the heart! I hope to see more of her on CNN.
Baba | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:36 pm | #

Oh and by the way, Randi Rhodes is super sexy, hot! MEOW!!!!
detoth67 | 05.13.06 - 4:37 pm | #

This little Feguson puke is the same guy they put on CNN against Mike Malloy, who said he had food in his frige older than that youngster. Again, you might not like Malloy's style but he's been around on radio for years and has more political info in his little pinkie than junior could ever hope to have. Why aren't they putting liberal talk show hosts up against the more famous blow bag right wings psychos? fear and a majority chunk of disrespect.
LuLu | 05.13.06 - 4:37 pm | #

The GOP is DEAD! In November will come judgement day for the kooky, wing nuts!

Look how MAD they are...LOL!!!!
Baba | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:38 pm | #

morons all of ya
brown | 05.13.06 - 4:38 pm | #

Huge swaths of conservatives are far more likely to respond to emotional tirades than the quieter, intellectual arguments preferred by most of those on the left.

Randi, with her pit-bull manner, will get her ideas into their heads. While all the "nice guys" like Colmes will just make liberals look weaker and weaker with their bloodless intellectual arguments.
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Moses | 05.13.06 - 4:32 pm | #

Good point. Except with Colmes I think it's only partly trying to be a "nice guy." I think he lacks the sheer competence in the art of debate that others have. And/or he has no real intention of representing the left, only keeping his job.
snoozer | 05.13.06 - 4:39 pm | #

I just hate how the yells so much.
Clay | 05.13.06 - 4:41 pm | #

If ALL the people who dont want to leave Iraq yet went to Iraq, Would ALL the anti war people please stop undermining the troops?
Convert | 05.13.06 - 4:32 pm | #
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Hey, Convert
If ALL the people who don't want to leave Iraq yet went to Iraq, would we have ENOUGH TROOPS to do the job right?
Or would we just have a LARGER group of sacrificial lambs for Weed&Co to throw away to appease the PNAC god?
Navy Vet | 05.13.06 - 4:41 pm | #

someone pls. assainate these fuckers
criminal government | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:41 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 4:35 pm |

Actually, I don't hate my country. It is my love for this country and all that it USED to stand for that forces me to stand up and tell you and people like you to SHOVE IT.

Get your lousy ALL-CAP TYPING ass to the local recruiting center. I bet the Army would just LOVE to turn you into cannon fodder.

The problem with this war is not those fighting it, it is those who sent them to fight without proper armaments, without enough troops, and without a clear plan.
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:43 pm | #

Convert,

How is wanting our troops to come home undermining them? I have been that route before -- my brothers fought in Viet Nam and I heard no complaints from them about those calling for them to come home. Not to mention -- the call for better body armor and the need to take better care of the wounded when they come home. Let's just do a little for the men and women who give their lives and their health for service to this country. They deserve better from this country and this president.
flo | 05.13.06 - 4:44 pm | #

pa lady: just bookmarked it. cool!

fred: take the discussion any direction you like. bro. or do you have anything of substance to say at all?

randi rhodes: if you're out there readin' the threads today, thanks and keep up the hard work, we listen to your show quite a bit at work and appreciate what you're doin'.
bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 4:45 pm | #

All this guy did was play on Randi's words for half the damn clip.

Randi: They didn't get the support they need because they didn't have the right numbers, the right body armor, or a proper exit strategy.

Dude: You're right, they don't get the support from the left. And they don't need your support, you're absolutely right.

It's so important to recognize what he's doing here, and it's a fine example of what the right has been doing for years. This guy must have just got out of Spin 101 and he was eager to try out his new talking points.

He's not even addressing her point, he's just taking a stick and poking her with it, taking one word and twisting, twisting, and twisting until it is a nice convenient talking point for him to throw out there. That is, the lie that the 'left doesn't support to troops,' which has an internal structure of BS logic that the right has been pressing onto Americans for years. The second he said that, every right winger cheered because, man did he show her. He cut through all of her critical analysis and hit her in the gut with a platitude, something our right wing goofballs can hang on to and feel good about. 'Support' is the key word that this guy found, and he took it, extrapolate a talking point out of it, and spun it around on her. And I guarantee half of the croud watching walked away with that simple talking point in their head as opposed to what Rhodes was saying, because it's so much easier than all the things Randi was saying.

Nevermind that Randi was actually talking about supporting the troops by actually DOING something to make their job easier, no, this guy's talking point trumps every single word she says because of the underlying structure of what he was saying.
Dave M. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:45 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 4:35 pm | #

Spoken like a true ALL CAPS chickenhawk.
Gregory | 05.13.06 - 4:46 pm | #

Randi is the best with Malloy a close second--always spot on with their facts and the courage to stand up to those republican bullies. I would love to see either of them debate Hannity or Coulter.
RoxieinTexas | 05.13.06 - 4:46 pm | #

I don't happen to like the Randi Rhodes or the Mike Malloy show, but she's seems much more sane, and thereby lethal, in these exchanges. We're dealing with kids who's memories may go no further than Clinton, or Bush before him. Even Reagan is an unknown quantity. They are faulted for not being more socially active. On the rare occassion they do so they just spout talking points gibberish as like this kid with his Kennedyesque haircut. Or they go onto blogs like this one and use the arts of debate that are learned from the Jerry Springer show. That's his TV show, I rather like his radio show.
ysbaddaden | 05.13.06 - 4:46 pm | #

Thanks! It's my daily rant - helps me keep from going on a killing spree in DC.
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:48 pm | #

Randi kicked major ass! I saw this the other night and thought, "who is ben ferguson and WHY isn't he in the military?"
More and more, the argument that is proferred by the progressives is starting to seep into the conciousness of America, includinng the media (FINALLY), and shitheads like Baby Fergie will hunker down and finally shut their fascist-thinking pie holes.
This guy SHOULD be in the service. He'll never be, or think, the same.
He's a pampered piece of shit. he is the embodiment of why other peoples hate America.
I'm grinning HUGE right now :D
Targa | 05.13.06 - 4:49 pm | #

Support our troops,
give them enough food and body armor,
Support our troops,
Bring them home and take care of them,
Support our troops,
Stop Killing Them!
Support our troops,
Impeach BushCo.
I love our troops, my country and I'm a card carrying liberal and proud of it. I want my country back.
LuLu | 05.13.06 - 4:50 pm | #

That Ben kid was fourteen years old when Monica was doing Clinton. What he knows about anything you could easily fit into a 12oz. can of soda.

He was cut up like a chunk of veal at the butchers.
Democrat | 05.13.06 - 4:51 pm | #

Amen and amen, LuLu!
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:51 pm | #

Great going to both Ed and Randi who dug in with swift hard rebuttals to the b.s./lies coming out of those two republiprops. Barely let them air their filth. John Roberts was pathetic, grinning... as if people dying and our Constitution are toys to play with. CNN, in it just for the fireworks?
sjay | 05.13.06 - 4:52 pm | #

Yet another 2 on 1 matchup. When was the last time you saw two liberals vs. one conservative on one of these bullshit "news" programs?
Daniel | 05.13.06 - 4:52 pm | #

hmmm that haircut....is he like a closet beatle?
pale | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:53 pm | #

What I don't get is, if I were a conservative/republican, I would feel embarrassed by BushCo. I wouldn't defend their actions. I may bring up past Republican presidents that -although liberals/democrats may disagree with their policies- were at least competent at their jobs. I wouldn't be a cheerleader for this administration's policies. I would distance myself from them; look at Pat Buchanan. When he gets on a rant about Bush, it is hilarious.
Also, I too don't understand why a 24 year old kid who has little life experience other than what he is told by mommy and daddy, and Fox, rates a spot on a supposedly serious debate.
citrus | 05.13.06 - 4:54 pm | #

Dunno about closet Beatle, but someone should tell him that the Dems no longer control either the White House or Congress. His "arguments" -- such as they were -- rang pretty damned hollow.
flo | 05.13.06 - 4:55 pm | #

Randi Rhodekill is a stinking pile of traitorous snake crap who has no business showing her ugly face in public. Why in the fuck isn't SHE in uniform???? She's of age!!! So was Jane (the traitor) Fonda during Viet Nam!
Jackboot | 05.13.06 - 4:57 pm | #

To all the Randi Rhodes haters posting here. You may not like her, you may not like her style, but you can't argue with her. She is one of the smartest talk show host out there and deals in something that the right fears. The truth and facts. People like Rush, Hannity and Limpballs will not take her on because they know they'll get there ass kicked. Listen to her for a while and attack her politics and style, but you can't take on her argument. She makes everyone look like a fool. I'm not sure if C&L posted the video of her taking on Janet Parsons a.k.a. the Church Lady on C-Span a while back, but it was hilarious. Parsons looked like child.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 4:57 pm | #

Randi rules!
beth | 05.13.06 - 4:58 pm | #

I really cannot stand Randi Rhodes, I tried watching this last night, but from the general puke the chicken hawk was spewing and Randi's borderline complaining, I was about to go psycho.
Wamzlee | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:58 pm | #

Also, I too don't understand why a 24 year old kid who has little life experience other than what he is told by mommy and daddy, and Fox, rates a spot on a supposedly serious debate.

Same here. I just have to wonder who he knows (or blows) that earned him a spot on a national program? What on earth does ANY 24-year-old - who's never been in the military - know about anything besides sex and booze?
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 4:58 pm | #

Randi's style is exactly what is needed to fight the bullshit rightwing noise machine. these little turds, whenever confronted with facts and truth, can give some snide little quip they believe will diffuse that truth. and because it is the MSM they are using, those quips always go unchallenged even though they have been debunked a billion times over. he tried to use the lame "i have friends in iraq" line as an argument to shut her up, and if it had been some pussywhipped MSM person, they would have accepted that bullshit as an argument and moved on but not people like Randi.
Pro War Jesus | 05.13.06 - 4:59 pm | #

Hey PA Lady, I think PA is going to kick some butt in November too! Bye bye Ricky!
LuLu | 05.13.06 - 4:59 pm | #

I recall seeing Ben's "book" at B&N a few years back. In it, he states that the US should never elect a woman president because other countries would not respect us. He even wrote that he would not vote for his own mother because the president should be a man. Loser.
Joe M | 05.13.06 - 4:59 pm | #

Let me see here, the twerp is saying he's not competent to play pro baseball so he just cheers it on.

I guess that means he's not competent to fight a war either. I agree. Cowards aren't. But since he's such a big fan, let's buy him a ticket to the show and send him over to Iraq to watch and cheer our guys on. He could even paint his face red white and blue.

And maybe we could send that former boy cheerleader over as well to show him how it's done.
John West | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:01 pm | #

Wikipedia on Ben Ferguson....

"On Friday, May 12 2006 Ferguson appeared on Larry King Live as part of a panel of radio talk show hosts. He was caught in a plethora of lies, and humiliated by the fellow panelists. When asked why as a healthy 22 year old man he refused to serve in a war he champions so passionately, he became speechless and muttered that he was actually 24.

Speculation in certain circles immediately followed that his radio program may be in trouble after such a devastatingly disastrous national television appearance."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben...ki/ Ben_Ferguson
LMAO@BenFerguson | 05.13.06 - 5:02 pm | #

Jackboot: How about because - unlike Jane Fonda (who even I will say was a traitor) - she ALREADY SERVED.

She earned the right to tell neocon chickenhawks like Ben where to go and how to get there.

And, should Jeebus tell Georgie to attack Iraq, she'll most likely be returned to active duty like so many other former military members.
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:02 pm | #

Well, undoubtedly one of Benny boy's heroes is this sad excuse for a boot licker:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/s...=1958276& page=1
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 5:02 pm | #

TURD FERGUSON. who gives 2 farts what that kid thinks? seriously. Randi should be embarrassed that she was booked with him and that doughy faced jesus pimp Dennis Prager.

http://www.cafepress.com/ turdfer...rguson.11868070
Robert | 05.13.06 - 5:04 pm | #

LuLu: From your lips to Dog's ears! Mistress-chokin' Don Sherwood's going bye-bye too! He's even got a Republican opponent, but Chris Carney's gonna take it!

*happy dancing*
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:04 pm | #

Jackboot | 05.13.06 - 4:57 pm | #

So sez jerkboot, the "combat marine". (Let's see the DD214 buddy).

"Why isn't SHE in uniform?"
That has to be the most idiotic question of the day, if not the week.

How's that Vintage 29% taste now, Jb?
Gregory | 05.13.06 - 5:05 pm | #

"Once you've served, you come back, and you're suddenly a liberal. Do you know why, Ben? Because you're only as good as the weakest. And that's why you aren't in the military."

Ooooh ho ho ho ~ SNAP!
Pixie | 05.13.06 - 5:05 pm | #

"Is he a closet beatle?"

Oh he's closeted alright - but he has nothing to do with the lads from Liverpool.

Funny how they just get younger and younger to go up against Randi because none of the standard knuckledragging right-wingers are willing to go up against her.

My only question is, why does Ben hate America?
Boring Scott | 05.13.06 - 5:07 pm | #

Bring back the draft and you will see Young Republican Mighty Mouse Clubs fold like cheap tents on campuses everywhere.
m | 05.13.06 - 5:07 pm | #

Jackboot, Randi is 47 years old and served her time in the military, the Air Force, unlike many Chickenhawks(you). She has the right to ask Ben, at the age of 24, why he isn't serving or any other chickenhawk who supports this war with there mouth and not their actions. People like you fear Randi because she is what you are not, honorable, honest and truthful.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 5:07 pm | #

m: And you'll see a startling increase in hemorrhoids and flat feet among the ChickenHawk population.
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:10 pm | #

For once I'd love someone to challenge these putzes who give the "I have friends in Iraq" line with, "name them and how are they deployed?"
Also the line about the Yankees is telling about the mindset of these neoknobs; they view the war effort as akin to a sporting event with about the same attendant risks as they cheer for "their side" from the comfort of their living room couch and furiously attack everyone who disagrees as not being quite as courageuos as them. They have all the courage of someone thousands of miles away who thinks that blogging is the same as being on the front lines (as if there ARE any front lines in Iraq, that is...)
TJW | 05.13.06 - 5:11 pm | #

PA Lady, I worked in PA politics back when little Ricky was in the House. No one could stand him then. He was/is a complete assclown. I was so shocked to hear he went to DC I almost choked. I don't like Casey for Senate, but we MUST get a Democrat in the Senate, even tho he's anit-abortion. Too bad the woman candidate dropped out, I guess the old boy Dems got to her and made her quit...
LuLu | 05.13.06 - 5:12 pm | #

She is great. The problem with Democrats has not been content but guts. She has guts and the heart for the fight. This is not comfortable for those who would rather look sophisticated than win elections. I say we need more scrappy Democrats, and less of the do-nothing kind. The Democrats have a guts crisis right now. Democrats used to be hog cutters, coal miners, and truck drivers. Now, there are too many academic eunuchs and Oprah-watching houswives. RHODES VS. COULTER!
Heretic | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:17 pm | #

Who lends any credence to what some 24 yr old meathead has to say..When I was 24 my biggest worry was getting laid and Budwieser and paying my rent..Snot nosed Sh*^
jack meoffer | 05.13.06 - 5:18 pm | #

Good point, TJW. I think they do view this more as a sporting event than a "real-life" conflict. To them, it's about winning and losing. It's a game. It's not real people with real lives and real families. It's sitting on the sofa with a beer and some chips watching the Yankees play the Red Sox. They are completely divorced from reality that it's sickening.

But it's an example of how this administration has exploited our valuable military resources for their own greedy, ideological purposes.
The DrewL Bucket | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:19 pm | #

OH, SO NOW YOUR A MILITARY OPERATIONS EXPERT HUH??...YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT TRUTH STRENGTHS AND LOGISTICS HUH??...YOUR PROBLEM IS YOUR FILLING YOUR BRAIN WITH MSM AND DEMOCRAT TALKING POINTS...THE FALL OF BAGHDAD WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST MILITARY OPERATIONS EVER SEEN...THESE "GENERALS" THAT KEEP MOANONG ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TROOPS ARE JUST APPEASMENT DEMOCRATS{WESLEY CLARK..ETC} WHO WERE AGAINST THE MISSION ANYWAY..JUST A FEW HYSTERICAL POINTS THEY ENDED UP BEING SO WRONG ABOUT:
1..ALL YOU HEARD FROM THESE PUSSYS WAS "WAIT TILL THEY TRY TO GET INTO BAGHDAD, THEYLL BE 40,000 CASUALTIES!!!"..THAT ENDED UP BEING THE EASIEST PART OF THE OPERATION!!
2.."SADDAM WILL BE HARDER TO CAPTURE THAT OBL HAS BEEN!!,,HELL FIGHT TO THE DEATH""..LMAO, BOY , THEY MISSED THAT BY A MILE!!
3."ITLL CREATE AN ENVIROMENTAL DISASTER!! SADDAM WILL IGNITE ALL HIS OIL WELLS!!!?...LOL,,THEY LIT 1 TRENCH AND FEW TIRES!!
4."IRAQI SECRET AGENTS WILL COME HERE AND THERE WILL BE CAR-BOMBS ALL OVER THE USA"...THAT WHOPPER PUTS A SMILE ON MY FACE EVERY TIME......HONEY, DO A LITTLE RESEARCH ON OTHER MILITARY OPERATIONS AND YOULL PUT THIS IN PROPER PERSPECTIVE, AS THE IDIOTIC NOTION THAT 500,000 TROOPS WERE NEEDED, DO THE MATH, IN UNCOVENTIONAL WARFARE, LKE THE KIND IN IRAQ NOW, MORE TROOPS EQUAL MORE TARGETS , WHICH EQUALS MORE CASUALTIES, WHICH YOU WHIMPS CANT STOMACH ANYWAY..MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SHOT AND KILLED IN LOS ANGELES IN THE SAME TIME WEVE HAD TROOPS IN IRAQ,...I KNOW YOU WANNA LIVE IN LA-LA LAND, BUT THE TRUTH IS, HUMANS ARE VIOLENT PEOPLE, ITS A BIG VIOLENT WORLD OUT THERE, AND AS MUCH AS YOU HATE IT, THE USA IS THE BIG DOG ON TH BLOCK, KEEPIN YOUR LITTLE ASS SAFE...JUST SIT BACK AND LET THE ARMED FORCES DO THEIR JOB, YOU JUST RELAX AND ENJOY THE GOOD LIFE HERE...

Site Monitor here: this is the last all-caps, nasty rant I'm going to leave up. Take the cap lock key off, be respectful of other posters, or be prepared to have every post deleted.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 5:19 pm | #

Randi rules and shows everyday support for troops
Meanwhile I hear nothing in regards to support the troop type words from 'conservatives",just priase Bush phrases even though he stole 2 elections
Conservatives are morons- mainly the type that would arder a tub of lard 6,000 big macs and 20 whoppers and an extra large diet coke for "health reasons"
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 5:24 pm | #

Of course, another Repug accusing the left of not "supporting the troops" is too much of a coward to go fight the war himself.

And he has the absolute gall and ignorance to compare war to baseball.
starwheel | 05.13.06 - 5:25 pm | #

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SANTO GNENDE | 05.13.06 - 5:27 pm | #

LuLu: With Casey, the big problem is that he doesn't really 'oppose' Santorum. There are slight differences in their stands on the issues, but they're fairly interchangable. I worry that PA's going to be stuck with the newest version of "Bush's Favorite Dem", once Lamont wins in CT.

That said, I do think any Dem is better than no Dem at all.

Heretic: Good point! Dems are really split into two groups - the 'low' Dems who are sick of the scandals, the corruption, the poor treatment of our military, the destruction of small businesses and the middle-class, and the 'high' Dems who are busy tap-dancing and compromising out of an utter fear of looking/sounding bad or possibly saying something that might, possibly be used to smack them with at some future, remote date.

They're afraid to put themselves on the line at all - whether it's to call for censure/impeachment, or to pick Suave shampoo over VO5.

Rather than stand up and yell, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!" the incumbent Dems (with few exceptions) are busy saying nothing and scared shitless of taking an actual stand on anything.
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:27 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 5:19 pm | #

Amazing, simply amazing. I thought that it would be impossible to top the idiocy that was your 4:35 pm post. But you did it.

Here's my favorite howler from your screed:

..MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SHOT AND KILLED IN LOS ANGELES IN THE SAME TIME WEVE HAD TROOPS IN IRAQ,..

Really? That would come as news to the residents of Southern California. I know something of the road rage in this region but I think it is still safer to drive from Compton to LAX than it is to drive from the Green Zone to BIA.

Just another anonoloser freeper who has trouble with math, not to mention reality.
Gregory | 05.13.06 - 5:28 pm | #

Fitz tied Cheney to Plame leak!
mg | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:28 pm | #

Who is this cry baby and why hasn't anybody told him the Beatles hairstyle looks way lamer on him?
El Mariachi | 05.13.06 - 5:30 pm | #

All Caps Anonymouse:
"...the USA is the Big Dog on th block."

This is precisely why you Kool-aid drinking, knuckling-dragging, basement-dwelling, home-schooled 29-percenters need to be removed from the Executive branch and voter rolls. In what world is the USA #1? It certainly isn't military strenght anymore because YOU fucked it up. You blew the treasury, the military, and the goodwill built up over decades in a quick 6 years.

So shut the fuck up and to quote Motley Crue - don't go away mad, just go away.
Boring Scott | 05.13.06 - 5:31 pm | #

"OH, SO NOW YOUR A MILITARY OPERATIONS EXPERT HUH??"

I don't know about you but I mastered the Caps Lock key on my keyboard long ago. Sorry, but I'll pass on reading the rest of your post. Remember kids, bad spelling, misuse of caps, etc is the Internet version of body odor.
Gah | 05.13.06 - 5:32 pm | #

Ferguson is a coward. Simply a little yellow belly chicken shit.
(_|_) | 05.13.06 - 5:33 pm | #

Anon,
My fave...
"THE FALL OF BAGHDAD WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST MILITARY OPERATIONS EVER SEEN."

Maybe by a history impaired doofus, but the Caps thing must make you about 16, tops.

Go Randi, way to put that little pissant in his place. Jeeze, I have ties older than that guy.

Bwahahaha...you playing here all week?
Zman | 05.13.06 - 5:33 pm | #

THE FALL OF BAGHDAD WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST MILITARY OPERATIONS EVER SEEN

Anonymous

You mean, screaming through the country at top speed to build a fortified base in the middle and along the way letting the Baathist Army go into hiding only to use IED to blow the limbs off of soldiers daily. And then letting terrorist into the country since we were busy partying the fall of Bahgdad and leaving the borders open? Simply brilliant! Bahgdad hasn't completely fallen. If it has, why are we still dying? You're only as smart as your last post.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 5:33 pm | #

"RHODES: Once you've served, you come back, and you're suddenly a liberal. Do you know why, Ben? Because you're only as good as the weakest. And that's why you aren't in the military."

ZIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG!
demst420ne | 05.13.06 - 5:34 pm | #

There's a name for people like young Ben Ferguson and the zealous light in his eyes: Hilter Youth.
Chad Boyer | 05.13.06 - 5:34 pm | #

Ferguson is such a softy. He's Shirley Temple's curls. He's squishy as cellulite. He's the quintessential young neocon (as opposed to your older neocon, who's 55, bald, pink, avoided Vietnam, and now wants to send po' folks off to die). Ferguson couldn't go to Iraq 'cause he'd keep shitting his britches. If he went to war, he'd have wear a diaper and he'd still have to always be downwind of everyone else.
Holly Capote | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:34 pm | #

OH, SO NOW YOUR A MILITARY OPERATIONS EXPERT HUH??...YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT TRUTH STRENGTHS AND LOGISTICS HUH??

And you do? Riiiiigggghhhttt....

You sound like another wannabe Marine who got turned down because he couldn't pass the psych eval.

As for the rest of your blather....*sigh* Never mind. Why should I bother? You are so not worth the time and energy.

SANTO GNENDE | 05.13.06 - 5:27 pm | #

Al-righty then....
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:35 pm | #

GIVE IT TO 'EM RANDI.

WE'VE HAD ENOUGH. NO MORE MR. NICE GUY.

Eat it Neocons.
dude | 05.13.06 - 5:37 pm | #

I suspect that most people on the right are beginning to realize that this argument -- that the left doesn't support the troops -- is a lot of crap.
coop | 05.13.06 - 5:39 pm | #

..MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SHOT AND KILLED IN LOS ANGELES IN THE SAME TIME WEVE HAD TROOPS IN IRAQ,..

Really? That would come as news to the residents of Southern California. I know something of the road rage in this region but I think it is still safer to drive from Compton to LAX than it is to drive from the Green Zone to BIA.

Just another anonoloser freeper who has trouble with math, not to mention reality.
Gregory

I think the caps king has been listening to Rush to long Gregory. He really must investigate the rightwing talking point numbers before repeating them. There has been a little over 1500 homicides in LA in the past 3 years. In three years in Iraq 2400 US Soldiers deaths.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 5:41 pm | #

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Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 5:41 pm | #

I saw that show and that little repug pussy made a complete ass of himself. Randi bitch-slapped him from one end of the screen to the other, and for the rest of the show, the chickenhawk kept trying to get even with her.

Ben Ferguson is obviously the runt of the litter but pretends he's Mr. Big Shot. YES, he needs to get his yellow ass and big mouth out of here and over to Irag...trade in his tinsel balls for real balls. Let's see how long he lasts.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 5:43 pm | #

Randi Rhodes is the real thing. She represents the exploding anger that so many of us feel when hearing and seeing what has happened to public debate in this country.

Randi will calm down when America is back on track. If ever there was a time for anger - this is it. She is the cream (finally) exploding to the top.

Who is this Little Ben, anyway? It must have been somebody's cute joke to put him on with her and Ed Schultz.
Texas Bluebonnet | 05.13.06 - 5:43 pm | #

Baseball will resemble war when the baseballs start exploding on impact with the catcher's glove and everyone in the crowd has an AK 47 or worse in their hands....
flo | 05.13.06 - 5:44 pm | #

RANDI RULES !!!
The Cahuenga Kid | 05.13.06 - 5:44 pm | #

Pa Lady, where on your website do you write the caption for the pic?
LuLu | 05.13.06 - 5:46 pm | #

Wow if the fall of Baghdad was one of the greatest military operations ever, then I have great military victories every day in my appartment... when I swat flies. Thats damn good to know, makes me feel militarily superior and all.
Silvertail | 05.13.06 - 5:46 pm | #

Lulu: In the comments. If it doesn't work let me know - some stuff has been getting caught in the spam filter.
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:47 pm | #

She ripped a new one on him. Little Pussy boy.
paco | 05.13.06 - 5:47 pm | #

"FERGUSON: I support the Yankees doesn't mean I wear their uniform."

Wow, all you can do is thank the idiot for a line like that.

1. As if the Yankees would have his lame ass. Professional baseball requires serious athletic talent, not just the willingness to shout lies in front of a camera.

2. At 24, Ferguson is prime cannon fodder for the US military, yet he has made no move to support the troops by becoming one. Join the army, asshole, and be all you can be: target practice.
jimbo92107 | 05.13.06 - 5:48 pm | #

for all those complaining about how "crazy" randi sounds, about her manners: when has anyone complained about, or noticed, the batshit crazy wingers or their tendency to shout down their cowed opponents? manners, manners, manners, the democrats always want to come across and nuanced and well-spoken, and they are NAILED to the wall by opponents who don't care about manners. randi is alone in fighting with verve and volume, and you know, she WINS because she doesn't buy the perennial losers' insistence on getting their asses kicked on each and every tv show because they won't fight with everything they have. she wins. democrats lose. learn a lesson.
catbeller | 05.13.06 - 5:49 pm | #

Thank you, sir, can I have another ?

Thank you, sir, can I have another ?

Thank you, sir, can I have another ?

Thank you, sir, can I have another ?

Thank you, sir, can I have another ?

Thank you, sir, can I have another ?

That's how wimpy, doormat-like Liberals and Democrats generally come across as they're being bitchslapped across the screen or on the radio by the right-wingers who care nothing about being fair and getting all points presented.
Rhandi Rhoades sees through this right-wing one-sided crap and gives it right back with an added helping. More power to her! We NEED more Rhandi Rhoades out there to help balance the airwaves a bit, and some of you guys are worried about her style ?! Jeesus, wake up!
Bluestater | 05.13.06 - 5:50 pm | #

ANOTHER LITTLE FACT FOR YA, IN VIETNAM, US FORCES LOST THE TOTAL KIA IN IRAQ IN ONE MONTH, JAN 68 DURING THE TET OFFENSIVE!!!...ONE MONTH!!!...PROVES THE POINT
Anonymous

As a measure of Republican prowess, numb-nuts here invokes Nixon, the first president to lose a war, and that was before he got run out of office on a rail. Talk about a disgrace, yet nimrod here thinks he's a hero.

Someone please find Anonymous a butt plug to go sit on. It's the new Repubican pacifier.
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Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:50 pm | #

He probably cries when he gets his hair cut.

Someone above said, "No more Mr. Nice Guy." You got that right.

These nutjobs on the right are the bully types. But, just like all bullies, they fold when they are met with equal or greater force.

All hat, no cattle. Sniveling cowards underneath all that bravado.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 5:52 pm | #

"I support the Yankees doesn't mean I wear their uniform."

I can't f*cking believe the guy said that.

This is a valid analogy to going to war and risking life and limb? It's like playing f*cking BASEBALL?

What an arrogant, ignorant little asshole.

But par for the course. The conservative punditocracy is full of:

- Warmongers who never served in the military (and some who actively avoided it)

- Champions of Free Enterprise who never started a business or had to meet a payroll

- Demagogues who turn heroes into cowards, and vice versa

- Political operatives who never bothered to run for public office

- Avowed foes of big government who nonetheless believe in unlimited spending on military programs and intelligence gathering

- Advocates of limited government intrusion into private life who nonetheless favor direct government control of contraception, family planning, and choice on abortion

- Hard-line pro-lifers who advocate the death penalty

- Neoconservatives who rail about the corruption in the Democratic party which brought about the Republican majority in 1994, but who refuse to acknowledge that Republican corruption is now much, much worse

- Opponents of judicial activism who hypocritically urge the appointment of the most activist conservative jurists to US courts, in order to advance the conservative political agenda

- Self-proclaimed patriots who have no problem with the loss of millions of manufacturing jobs to Asia, and deficits which have drastically reduced the value of the US$

- Christians who act as if getting rich and slandering your enemies is Christ-like

- Advocates of free speech who distort government scientific reports which disagree with their political objectives

- Fascists who call themselves men of the people.
Annoyed Canuck | 05.13.06 - 5:52 pm | #

jimbo: Hmmm....my ex - who never, ever played football - throws balled-up socks at the TV when Penn State screws up. If Ben's right, that must be just like fighting 'over there', right?
PA_Lady | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:52 pm | #

"FERGUSON: I support the Yankees doesn't mean I wear their uniform."

What he meant to say was, "I support the Yankees doesn't mean I wear women's underwear."

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Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:52 pm | #

What I can't abide is dumbasses (vide upthread) who say that because Randi doesn't take any crap from anyone, that she's "shrill." Last refuge of an idiot, is what that lame rhetoric is.
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S.O.S. from MA | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:54 pm | #

HEY ANONYMOUS IN CAPS...

Some of us here are not liberals and in fact are far more conservative than even a simpleminded jackass such as you.

It doesn't take a liberal/conservative or anyone else with a meaningless ideological tag tattooed to their horse's patoot to see that this Administration has made some seriously grave errors that has cost our country dearly in both lives and treasure.

Then as to a real topper the Republican's in charge are totally out of steam and ideas to bring this whole debacle to successful fruition. If you are such a wise guy why not offer some solutions for victory?

cricket... cricket... cricket...

That' s because you can't. You are just as empty headed as your nonsensical posts and are just as spent of ideas at the current Administration. If things keep going in the direction they are we may never need worry about November as our democracy may not make it that long. Even something as safe as milk has an expiration date... dickweed!
Mr. Creosote | 05.13.06 - 5:54 pm | #

" Someone please find Anonymous a butt plug to go sit on. It's the new Repubican pacifier.
.
Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:50 pm | "

LOL!!

The butt-plug is sure to cause brain damage though . . .
Annoyed Canuck | 05.13.06 - 5:55 pm | #

F'ing beautiful, Al! (at 5:52)
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 5:55 pm | #

These nutjobs on the right are the bully types. But, just like all bullies, they fold when they are met with equal or greater force.

Ben, a bullie. Ben is someone who was bullied, and mercilessly it appears. That's why he's the way he is. It explains the like Richard Perle, Ken Mehlman and Rush Limbaugh as well. This is what happens to the some boys who get shoved around as kids.

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Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 5:58 pm | #

MMmmm...nothing tastes better than baked chicken hawk ass.
TalkieToaster | 05.13.06 - 5:58 pm | #

I have three children, and they all do embarrassing things. Thank GOD they aren't on Larry King, making fools of themselves! LOL How PROUD his mommy and daddy must be.

Benny, you owe your mommy a huge Mother's Day gift for THIS embarrassment!
Shell | 05.13.06 - 6:00 pm | #

McCain Makes Stop at Falwell's University

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060...on_el_pr/ mccain
LB | 05.13.06 - 6:01 pm | #

GO USA! GO USA! TEAR EVRY MO'FO' THING DOWN THAT YOU CAN!!

Massacre Tears Apart U.S.-Uzbek Alliance

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/u...orld/ uzbekistan

WE ARE FUCKED
Lamont | 05.13.06 - 6:03 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 5:52 pm,

|Yeah, and 42,000 people died on the nation’s highways in 2004. What's your point? There are millions and millions more (compared to 130,000) Americans in LA and Chicago.
Zman | 05.13.06 - 6:03 pm | #

Anyone who backs McCain is a sell-out schill with no scruples and a heart of black.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:04 pm | #

Oh, and all you "I am not a liberal" (DUH) and "southern manners" (read: fakes): clue phone: hang it up.

It is so obvious what they are: really dumb Republicans who finally (after 6 years) see that they aren't gonna come out of this -- so they act as if they never liked Bush.

You are too obvious. So go back to Pajama whatever it is called. Try to convice them, brainiac. It is rather amusing to see right-wingers, accustomed to the really stupid chatters, come here and other lefty websites and use the same words. Sorry, dunces, won't work here.
Shell | 05.13.06 - 6:05 pm | #

You know, if anyone wants to take a real hard look at our foreign policy, they would be APPALLED. It is murderous.

Bye, bye Saddam? Only because he fit our purposes seeing as he was sitting on the world's greatest untapped oil reserve. But Let's Hug Uzbekistan!!!
Lamont | 05.13.06 - 6:06 pm | #

Randi gave this little "Yellow Elephant" the drubbing that he deserved.

However, I think that your transcript is incorrect. I doubt that Randi said: "Once you've served, you come back, and you're suddenly a liberal. Do you know why, Ben? Because you're only as good as the weakest. And that's why you aren't in the military."

Anybody who listens to her show has heard her spiel on the military before. She almost assuredly said: "Once you've served, you come back, and you're suddenly a liberal. Do you know why, Ben? Because you're only as good as the weakest. And that's WHAT YOU LEARN IN THE MILITARY."
Krashkopf | 05.13.06 - 6:07 pm | #

Let's hear it for Zimbabwe! Yeah, Baby, Yeah!
Lamont | 05.13.06 - 6:08 pm | #

Anonymous,
Liberals protested against Johnson and Nixon doofus! Too bad the money wasn't spent on Johnsons War on Poverty instead of Vietnam we'd be much better off wouldn't we?
Zman | 05.13.06 - 6:08 pm | #

l.a averaged 500 homocides a year??..lmaooooo..yeah, back in the 1940's!!...they average 700 a year for the last 20 years, US averaging 600 kia in Iraq..I love this one , last june in Chicago, in one 24 hour period, 13 people were shot and killed, 2 on the same corner 8 hours apart!!!...sorry, donks are too soft on defense, and come november, when its time to actually pull the lever, youll see who wins again...nothing changes in november.Bwaaaaaaaaaaa
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 5:52 pm | #

Look it up. The numbers in the 90's were much higher than the past three years. I said in the past three years they averaged 500 in LA. If you include the record numbers in 92 93 and 94, it will inflate the numbers you want to use. You said Iraq dead averages 600? so does that mean that the numbers the defense department puts out is wrong? We've been in Iraq for 3 years. I'll help you out and use round numbers so your little brain can comprehend. 2400 soldiers dead, 3 years. Therefor 2400/3=800 dead per year. That's 300 more per year in the PAST 3 years. So it's safer in LA for Americans than it is in Iraq. And we haven't even counted the number of dead Iraqi's in the past three years. The LA numbers are EVERYONE in LA. The Iraq numbers are just US soldiers. So if we add in the Iraqi dead, we are probably somewhere near 2000 dead a year. Try using real numbers and not selective.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 6:08 pm | #

And we HEART you Darfur!!!
Lamont | 05.13.06 - 6:09 pm | #

http://www.rawstory.com/news/ 200...t_for_0513.html

Finally, someone in the media tells it like it is. The traitors are in the White House.

"It's the recklessness at the top of our government, not the press' exposure of it, that has truly aided the enemy, put American lives at risk and potentially sabotaged national security," Rich continues. "That's where the buck stops, and if there's to be a witch hunt for traitors, that's where it should begin."
Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:10 pm | #

Zman | 05.13.06 - 6:08 pm | #

WORD
Lamont | 05.13.06 - 6:11 pm | #

It's funny how stupid people think their opinion is better because they speak louder.
Josee | 05.13.06 - 6:12 pm | #

Anonymous,

You need to either retake 8th grade history or burn you college degree whichever, is more convenient BIG BOY...

The Department Of Defense lists Major Dale Buis and Sergeant Chester Ovnand killed July 8, 1959 in Bienhoa, Vietnam on July 8, 1959 as the first official US casualties of the Vietnam Conflict. If I recall Dwight David Eisenhower a Republican occupied the White House. Correct me if I am wrong.

You are the not only obnoxious but, stupid. I don't know what is more pathetic or to be a greater sin against God.
Big Boy's Pants | 05.13.06 - 6:12 pm | #

ummm...i know facts are something you dont wanna deal with, but KING OF THE WELFARE STATE Lyndon Johnson was president during TET in 1968,the actually started that war, following Kennedy's agenda..Nixon actually endedthe conflict after nearly wiping Hanoai off the face of the map during the "christmas bombing" in 1972, something King Welfare didnt have the balls to do..Nixon left Vietnam exactly as he got it, with a free and democratis South Vietnam in place...it was the democrat congress in 1974 that cut off funding to an allie, which led directly to the mass slaughter of millions of Cambodians BY YOUR BELOVED COMMUNIST comrades...get your facts straight before you take on the big boys
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:01 pm | #

Tired getting your ass kicked on Iraq so you're switching topics to Vietnam? Okay, fine. I thought we were suppose to support war time presidents no matter what? Let's see, Johnson at war in Vietnam yet the coward who wont post his name attacks a war time president and contradicts himself.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 6:13 pm | #

to the dude who claims hes a conservative, your problem right off is your framing Iraq as a debacle, based simply on the light casualties thus far..every objective has been met..every election...government being formed, Saddam Hussein on trial...a once and for all enforcement of the UN resolutions for disarmament{forgot about those didnt ya!]...Osama Bin Laden has got libs nailed, has preached over and over to his followers.."America is a paper tiger, with all their weapons and power, kill a few of em, and theyll run screaming and crying back home"..fits you guys to a t!!!...i shudder at the thought had your kind been around during WW2...where the US lost every battle in the first year...where a TRAINING exercise killed more than weve lost in IRAQ!!..WHERE 7000 marines died in 20 days securing an 8 square mile uninhabited island...Im sorry, appeasement of your type is simply to dangerous in this world...gotta get some backbone brotha.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:13 pm | #

Hey Zman!
Nice comment.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:14 pm | #

Wasn't Uzbekistan our good buddy who boiled political dissenters alive?

I'm really glad we were their friend.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:14 pm | #

that girl is despised by the right and the pretentious 'moderates.' why? the right don't like fighting women. while the moderates think it's not cool to have a hairstyle and mouth like that.
dubya wudya | 05.13.06 - 6:15 pm | #

damn. that was sweet.
Greg | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:15 pm | #

Oops..........me Zman @ 6:14
mirth | 05.13.06 - 6:15 pm | #

Karimov: He's Our Sonofabitch

The west's support for the Uzbek regime exposes its destructive reliance on despots and tyrants

http://www.commondreams.org/view...s05/0518- 30.htm
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 6:16 pm | #

Anonymous (Read: too chicken to even use a fake name):

Yes, I was alive during Viet Nam and was in college during the end of it. So, take your BS and stick it where the sun don't shine. ANYONE alive at that time knows LBJ F-ed up in VietNam, and that is why he was rejected by DEMOCRATS in 1968. (If only Republicans would be this honorable.) But you say NIXON stopped the war? ROFL Talk about revisionist history! (You believed the "secret plan," did you? Too funny!)

Any of you not alive during Viet Nam, be aware that this liar is a chickenhawk.

You're lying, bud ... or more likely, some older friend told you to say this (your mommy?). You were NOT alive during Viet Nam, or you wouldn't say such easily disproven things.
Shell | 05.13.06 - 6:17 pm | #

Ok Then Anonymous...

Ultra-conservative here... Anti-Abortion, Pro-Death Penalty, full blown Militarist...

List your keys for successful US victory in Iraq?

This should be good as you just got owned by Big Boy's Pants for your lack of knowledge on Vietnam...

Go to it wiseguy... I'll be waiting.
Mr. Creosote | 05.13.06 - 6:19 pm | #

Hey mirth,
These right-wing bastards just don't get it. Wrong is wrong no matter what political camp you set your tent in.
Zman | 05.13.06 - 6:19 pm | #

Anyone who sits around patting themselves on their soft and unedcutated little back and says Saddam need to go needs to educate themselves

Theme Song for 21st Century Famines:
"We Own the World, We Ignore the Children"

http://www.counterpunch.org/touf.../ toufe0930.html
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 6:19 pm | #

anonomous with the caps big mouth ill bet yourass never saw the inside of a boot camp or served one day of your miserable asses exsistence for your country but you bitch cause randy did !!! your just a shit bird chicken hawk that doesnt even deserve to be in this country!!!! get the fuckout !! preferably to 1raq~~
tyree | 05.13.06 - 6:19 pm | #

I didn't like Randi at first, but it didn't take too many listens to her show before I became a huge fan. She talks the talk and walks the walk and anyone wishing to debate her on the war better come loaded for bear, because Randi will gut them like a fish. Especially this little frat-boy punk like we have here.
scottarino | 05.13.06 - 6:21 pm | #

Ashcroft Sides with Torturers

Unocal and the Crimes of Burma

http://www.counterpunch.org/ mari...er06072003.html
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 6:21 pm | #

Someone should say to Ferguson, "Hey, 1964 called, they want their Beach Boy haircut back!"
Robert | 05.13.06 - 6:22 pm | #

Go Tyree!!!!!!

Hi Mirth
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 6:22 pm | #

"get your facts straight before you take on the big boysAnonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:13 pm" Since you are such a stickler for facts how did Johnson start that war when the
"Fighting began in 1957 with the U.S. and Soviet-Chinese involvement" which as I remember it Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961) was president?
VP | 05.13.06 - 6:23 pm | #

RR, where ya been all my life? Please post, girlfriend!!!!
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 6:23 pm | #

Hi tyree, sphinx
I'm just goofin' on Randi needs to change her hairstyle and act more ladylike or Repugs won't like us.

mirth | 05.13.06 - 6:25 pm | #

This is the first time I've seen 2 liberals and 2 conservative on a talk show.Most of the time its unbalanced and in favor of the conservatives. With them interrupting and shouting to muddy the waters of the discussion. Talk about the liberal media what a JOKE! We can not trust the Media today to tell the truth, What ASHAME!
Thanks to CNN and John Roberts
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:25 pm | #

The reason a 24 year old republican is being trotted around in front of the media is...

He has not been indicted. (yet)

He has not done anything, on the record, that can be used against him.

He is the only remaining young republican they could find that is articulate enough to be presented in public.

The US army needs more troops and would likely accept this lad, train him and put him to work if he were to apply. If he supports the army so fervently, loves his country and feels that there is a true threat to democracy and his way of life he should put on the uniform. Appearing on talk shows attacking liberals with talking points does not cut it as part of the war effort.

I am certain the listening audience would appreciate his sacrifices.

My father fought in WW II. He volunteered and did not follow his years of service with a military career. For part of the war he was a prisoner of the Japanese. It is at best a mealy mouthed expression of cowardice to hide behind the excuse that the armed services is a career as mentioned above.
Canadian Lurker | 05.13.06 - 6:26 pm | #

Get your bananas while you can, everyone!

A future with no bananas?

http://www.newscientist.com/arti...no- bananas.html
overpriveledged/overthehill | 05.13.06 - 6:27 pm | #

Oh oh! Be sure to check out this preview of chimpy’s speech Monday.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:27 pm | #

every objective has been met..every election...government being formed, Saddam Hussein on trial

Anonymous

I hate to keep quoting the coward with no name but, the end game of war is peace. So everything has not been met. Where is the peace, the electricity, the food, the water, the flowing oil that was suppose to pay for this war? A Government has been formed? Would you like this government running your country? And what exactly has capturing Saddam done? Not a thing. Since he was captured, deaths among both US military and Iraqi civilians have gone up and support for this war and your president has gone down. If you were old enough, would you serve in Iraq or continue to hide behind a keyboard eating Cheese Puffs and playing Halo?
Greg | 05.13.06 - 6:28 pm | #

Robert ....

OMG! I am dying from laughter! Beach Boy haircut? ROFLMAO! How true!
Shell | 05.13.06 - 6:28 pm | #

i gotta a better question..if Nixon didnt end american invovlment IN Vietnam, then who was it??..a "mystery" president that no one remembers??..peace occord was signed in January 1973, and who was just re-elected to his second term???huhhhhhhh..huhhhhhhhhh??..ta-dahhh..Richard NIxon, who was handed a pile of democrat appeasement in 1968, implemented Vietnamzation during the next 3 years, literally blasted North Vietnam to the table, mined the harbors and told Soviets you got 48 to get your ships the hell out of Haiphong harbor..nice try dude, but Nixon left South Vietnam intact, democratic, and removed all combat forces..it was the donks that abandoned an ally, because Nixon was brought down by silly politacal charges{we got even with "Rapist" 20 years later..anyway, nice try dude, but the facts are on my side...do your homework first
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:28 pm | #

mirth, Jesus, Mary and Joseph let it NOT BE SO!!!!!!!!!!!!

It will be Wallmart are us all over the place.
overpriveledged/overthehill | 05.13.06 - 6:28 pm | #

Nixon actually ended the conflict

By cutting and running, much like Chimpy did during Vietnam.

Of course, that's better than draft dodger Cheney, who was a lot like Ben is today. The only thing that saved Cheney's fat ass was getting Lynne pregnant, and we all know how that turned out.

Some say Dick deserves the Distinguished Service Medal just for fucking Lynne.
.

.
Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:29 pm | #

Canadien Lurker, not to quick. I'm sure there's some college date rape scandal upcoming for Ben. Just look at the hair, he looks like one of the rich Delta Pi's who's daddy is a lawyer and quietly got him off.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 6:30 pm | #

"Ben, a bullie. Ben is someone who was bullied, and mercilessly it appears. That's why he's the way he is. It explains the like Richard Perle, Ken Mehlman and Rush Limbaugh as well. This is what happens to the some boys who get shoved around as kids."

Too bad that they didn't get up the guts to do a hitch & serve their country in the military. In basic training (Army) I got to see some of these meek little boys get taught to face their fears, learn their strengths, and become men! hickenhawks will never have the experiences that those of us who served share... and,like those who stayed behind and didn't join Henry V
"Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day."
Darrin | 05.13.06 - 6:30 pm | #

I posted the complete show if you are interested.
http://virtualmatter.blogspot.co...king- 51206.html
Jordy | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:31 pm | #

But the Beach Boy haircut is sorta creepy, now that I think of it. He doesn't remember 1964 -- but mommy does. And he is trying SO hard to please her. Mark my words -- mommy will be arrested soon ... and you know what for.
Shell | 05.13.06 - 6:32 pm | #

Some say Dick deserves the Distinguished Service Medal just for fucking Lynne.

Ok, too f'n funny. Knock it off.

mirth | 05.13.06 - 6:32 pm | #

Condoleezza Rice at Boston College? I quit

This guy should get a medal and the keys to the city NOW!!! MUST READ!!

http://www.boston.com/news/globe...college_i_quit/
bandit | 05.13.06 - 6:32 pm | #

if Nixon didnt end american invovlment IN Vietnam, then who was it??..

The protests by AMERICANS, dummy.
Zman | 05.13.06 - 6:32 pm | #

hone Giant Spying Complicity Enrages Users

http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/ 051306Z.shtml
bandit | 05.13.06 - 6:34 pm | #

Anonymous

Breaking and entering into a democratic office is a felony not silly charges. Clinton never raped anyone. Just ask Monica. She had as much fun as anyone. But I'm sure you have no idea what sex is and you confuse it with rape. You're just angry at Clinton because his one night with Monica is more tail then you'll ever get in a lifetime. Then again, by calling what Nixon did silly charges shows that you are nothing more than a hack. I guess illegal activity is only illegal when you disagree with their politics.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 6:36 pm | #

Anonymous -- you are pretty stupid. I think it is time to go back to mommy for more info.

Yes, Nixon was prez when we got out of Viet Nam -- at the same parallels as when we started it. Yes, Nixon sure WON, didn't he? And if you were alive during that time, you would know that Nixon had to run out of Viet Nam because Americans finally saw through him. Of course, by that time, he had other things to worry about -- hint hint: WATERGATE.
Shell | 05.13.06 - 6:36 pm | #

mirth | 05.13.06 - 6:32 pm | #

Link? That is some scary ass shit.

Further more, can anyone imagine fucking Dick The Rotunding Sneer machine while he's hooked up to all to all those machines while consuming an extra layer of limburger cheese?
*WILLIES FOR SURE*
bandit | 05.13.06 - 6:37 pm | #

Good God - who is that idiot? Its so boring to hear people continually blame the left who don't even know what the right is doing or has done.
Beth | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:37 pm | #

Thanks Jordy, I was hoping someone would post it.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 6:37 pm | #

"do your homework first"

No homework required when you lived through it.
Zman | 05.13.06 - 6:38 pm | #

whats even funnier, you appeasers wanna run screaming from Iraq with your pants all wet, AND WERE NOT EVEN FIGHTING AN ARMY THERE FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!...just a bunch of car bombers and criminals...at least in Vietnam you were afraid of the Red Army..real nice,,the most powerful military the world has ever seen, being cowed and humiliated not even by another armed force..just a bunch of religous nut!!...if you have you appeaser way..sorry charlie, aint gonna happen with this president.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:38 pm | #

implemented Vietnamzation during the next 3 years,
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:28 pm | #

Here you have it, proof positive that our anonymous little friend was not in RVN nor even around at the time. It is clear that he is getting his military education from the usual reichwing draftdodging shirkers, like Rush.

Anyone who would hold up Vietnamization as a "success" is, quite simply, a moron. I don't even know why I am bothering with this. Anonoloser is too stupid to understand and everybody else already knows he is an idiot.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:38 pm | #

hi sphinx and mirty one looks like the republicans toilets over run after being bady used!!!snarky snark!!!!!!!!
tyree | 05.13.06 - 6:39 pm | #

This guy should get a medal and the keys to the city NOW!!! MUST READ!! Amen to that, now if only young Mr Ferguson had that kind of integrity!!!
VP | 05.13.06 - 6:39 pm | #

I don't care what she looks like, she is a sharp woman who can more than hold her own against the bush gang followers. She doesn't have to resort to the o liely limpdong lies and name calling....that's class.
wisedup | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:40 pm | #

bandit | 05.13.06 - 6:37 pm | #

bandit:
I stole my 6:32 from 6:29 (Al Swearengen)
mirth | 05.13.06 - 6:41 pm | #

Anonymous,

You are wrong again and stupid once more. The last US Troops officially leave Vietnam on march 29, 1973 however, the January 23 agreement/ceasefire breakdown and on January 6, 1972 as Thieu declares the agreement/ ceasefire void and SV declares war against NVA/VC. US advisors remain in country to direct the SV regulars.

Nixon resigns August 9 ,1974.

Saigon falls April 29, 1975 as Ambassador Martin vacates the US embassy, Gerald Ford is US President.

Nixon didn't do squat... REPUBLICAN'S LOST THE VIETNAM WAR...

How ya' like them CAPS... Jack?
Big Boy's Pants | 05.13.06 - 6:41 pm | #

any one with an ounce of military history knows that gurellia warfares worse to stamp out then front line combat , but you dream on anom cause your presidents going top have his ass handed to him in uraq~
tyree | 05.13.06 - 6:42 pm | #

That's January 6, 1974... These stupid Republican wanna-be's frustrate me sooooooo bad...
Big Boy's Pants | 05.13.06 - 6:44 pm | #

randy ripped this kids nuts off him and never even had to tear his pants doing it!!!!yea randy you go girl!!!!!
tyree | 05.13.06 - 6:47 pm | #

I like Randi Rhodes a lot, and although I really dislike shouting matches, I must admit I enjoyed this one. But I really think the moderators should not let that happen -- makes both sides look silly.
Duchess of Bilgewater | 05.13.06 - 6:47 pm | #

Tyree,

The point is that Anonymous comes here... doesn't know crabs... complains like a baby who lost his binky yet, offers absolutely no viable alternative.

I want the US to win this misbegotten war but, Republican's as they have proven in the past are not the party to get the job done...

Republican's basically suck/ losers and rightists are just plain out and out morons.
Mr. Creosote | 05.13.06 - 6:49 pm | #

Randi Rocks.
That Furguson kid, his parents should stop his allowance.
HumeSkeptic | 05.13.06 - 6:50 pm | #

i keep giving facts..dates ..proof..all you do is tell me im wrong..explain your story!!!you cant because youve swallowed the media potrayal of the era...to the goof that claims "THE PROTESTS" ended the war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!omggggggg..sorry dude, thats a media myth and youve swallowed!!..and ive got proof...that idiotic Kent State fiasco where a republican governor had his guardsmen rub out 4 communist in 1970, when Nixon was the president, a republican no less, and what the media doesnt tell about that time is that the american people supported the ohio governor, Nixon dropped more tonnage of bombs than ever on Vietnam, and by 1972, after all the silly protests, even the killing of 4 of em..HE WAS STILL RE-ELECTED IN ONE OF THE BIGGEST LANDSLIDES EVER!!!...OVER A "PEACE" CANDIDATE!!!....your problem is you believe all the media bullshit about that era...go look it all up
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:50 pm | #

ty, my guess is bush won't even be around long enough to have his @$$ handed to him on iraq. any more than he already has, that is.
i'm thinkin' resignation by the end o' the summer.
if bush thinks it's bad now for his residency, imagine how he'll feel if fitzgerald implicates the veep and maybe even bush himself on the plame leak. doubtful either would be indicted, but at that point i can really see republican congressmen going down to the white house to ask for his resignation.
this is all assuming chimpy isn't able to pull off his dream of instigatin' the 'pockylips this summer.
bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 6:51 pm | #

Nixon resigns August 9 ,1974.

Saigon falls April 29, 1975 as Ambassador Martin vacates the US embassy, Gerald Ford is US President.

Nixon didn't do squat... REPUBLICAN'S LOST THE VIETNAM WAR...

How ya' like them CAPS... Jack?
Big Boy's Pants

Good R&D BBP.

Surely you'll agree that after 6 years of failing at most every strategy possible except the one thing that would likely have saved a few hundred thousand lives, surrender, he lost the war.

Who can ever forget the image of panic stricken people running for their lives as the last of the American GIs boarded the huey's. But hey, at least we didn't surrender, we got routed instead.
Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:52 pm | #

as someone once said mr creosote were fighting the wrong enemy in the worongest war that was ever trumped up and in the wrong place , this war should be ,being fought in washington dc if you want to kill the real terruorists of 911
tyree | 05.13.06 - 6:52 pm | #

whats even funnier, you appeasers wanna run screaming from Iraq with your pants all wet, AND WERE NOT EVEN FIGHTING AN ARMY THERE FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!...just a bunch of car bombers and criminals...at least in Vietnam you were afraid of the Red Army..real nice

Anonymous

You know nothing about Vietnam. They used the same tactics as the insurgents except they didn't blow themselves up. They would regularly target civilian targets to scare the civilians in vietnam. Restuarants, neighborhoods with explosives. Stick to what you know best. Your love for Bush.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 6:53 pm | #

Anonymous"The american were kick out of Vietnam period,
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 6:53 pm | #

Bush will never resign.
Never
Never
Never
mirth | 05.13.06 - 6:54 pm | #

Anonymous,

What facts... wrong dates and wrong information...

I know high school kids who could school you on history...

You need to start somewhere... Head over to the library... ID card is free... check out Stanley Karnow's VIETNAM A History... Read and Learn...

Start there please then come back to discuss...
Big Boy's Pants | 05.13.06 - 6:55 pm | #

Dates anonymous? Try years. You haven't given us one date, one fact. And the fact wasn't even a fact. It was a lie. You said we left Vietnam when Nixon was president. NOPE!!!
Greg | 05.13.06 - 6:55 pm | #

Anonymous:

Attention: mommy is calling! Time for your bottle! (Isn't it nice to replace the pacifier for awhile?)
Shell | 05.13.06 - 6:55 pm | #

man there's too many anonymous's here.
all caps guy, how's 'bout a handle?

ya want suggestions? how 'bout "tastes like chickenhawk" or "oxicontin contact high"?
bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 6:56 pm | #

Where do they keep finding people to support this war? I swear, if the networks spent half as much time tracking down apologist war-mongers as they did tracking down real news we'd have a much better nation for it's efforts.
Stupid Git | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:57 pm | #

Every time one of these Chicken Hawk Cowards, like their hero Bush, go on and on about why we're in Iraq, the first thing I asked them is why aren't you there? They get that same sissified look on their faces, and start muttering excuses. And when they call me unpatriotic, they go silent, when they learn that I'm a twice wounded Combat Veteran. And that i supported going into Afganistan, but oppossed the folly in Iraq.
CombatMedic | 05.13.06 - 6:58 pm | #

Anonymous,

PS... after you start there I can give you another two dozen resources to help you understand the dynamics of US History...

I want to help because you are delusional from too much kool aid...

Lay off the juice... come into reality then we can talk...

Also, I apologize for calling you stupid... You're not but you can be saved...
Big Boy's Pants | 05.13.06 - 6:58 pm | #

I do not understand why everyone who excerpts this seems to want to edit out the part about 'people voting for the president who wore the uniform.'

That was the part that made MY jaw fall all the way to the floor! Kerry WORE the uniform, the president RAN AWAY from it, when wearing it meant something and not just political photo-op points.
Malixe | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:58 pm | #

Randi Rhodes & Mike Malloy are too good for Air America ~
Dailykos will ban u | 05.13.06 - 6:59 pm | #

I come to see what y'all are chatting about here on C&L and all I find is a bunch of people who should know better, feeding a retarded troll, covered in its on smeered shit.

ISP folks... It tastes great on Saturdays!
Nate | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 6:59 pm | #

but i think that wisfull thinking froggy cause bush knows his necks waiting for that neck tie party ,hes going to scorch earth america before hes swinging !
tyree | 05.13.06 - 6:59 pm | #

Woo Hoo! You go, girl, fire them chickenhawks up!
Rebel Yell | 05.13.06 - 7:00 pm | #

Time to climb back on the butt plug Anonymous.
.
Al Swearengen | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:01 pm | #

Anonymous continues to make the Nixon/Bush connection and, you know, he might be on to something.

Bush, like Nixon, will be driven from office in disgrace and scandal.

How about that, anon? We will be celebrating yet another failed repug administration. Too bad it will have cost the country so much money and so much blood.

Of course, you and your type won't have lost that much will you? You probably don't pay much in the way of taxes and you have no skin in the game.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 7:04 pm | #

poor dumb kid

never knew what hit 'em
apple pie | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:06 pm | #

DITTO IDIOTs are all the same...BORG!

I.S.P. thx.
Lou Costello | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:07 pm | #

Al Swearengen,

If we can win these warmongers over one at a time we can win this war...

Like Vietnam it's the only way...

Persuasion/facts/historical benchmarking is key.

I hope Anonymous takes the hint that their are plenty smart folk out there... smarter than he...

I know as I was like him and learned the hard way... It is no fun believe me...
Big Boy's Pants | 05.13.06 - 7:08 pm | #

Hey Anonymous... my twelve year old son could school you on Vietnam.

he could also tear you apart on just about any other subject

trolls are such a stimulus for fun....

pray for Bush's end, peacefully, of course. Another pretzel. A better pretzel.
dr.prayer | 05.13.06 - 7:08 pm | #

Ah .... I see the desperate Republican trolls are trolling the internet(s) again !

It must be exhausting ! to be a Bushbot apologist ! A 24/7 job !!

The last 29 % OY Vey !
Dailykos will ban u | 05.13.06 - 7:10 pm | #

I have to second Nate on this one. As a guilty party I will take the ISP pledge.

It is too nice a day to voluntarily step into a pile of dog poo.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 7:10 pm | #

Nate, 29% and dropping, these aren't even trolls, they are the 'last ones out and must turn of the lights'..lol
wisedup | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:10 pm | #

If a 24 year old punk like Ferguson is all the neocons have left, then they're out of material.

Randi Rhodes: Sincere, real, passionate, intelligent, lovely inside and out...I could go on and on. I love you. You may be from New York, but I hope you know that your devoted South Florida fans thinks of you as theirs.
Impartial Observer | 05.13.06 - 7:11 pm | #

I am a fan of Randi, love her radio show. I consider my self smart, but that woman is a walking brain. CNN probaly couldn't get any heavy weight to take on Randi, so they put up the immature moron. I have pencils older than that kid. you notice Prague let the kid take the hits, for he was mature and reconized when he was out smarted. GO Randi Go.
Involved | 05.13.06 - 7:11 pm | #

Chicken Hawk = Cowardly Chicken Shit.

He is so ready for other people to die as long as their is no inconvience to him.
eve | 05.13.06 - 7:17 pm | #

part of Nixons pledge to South Vietnam and promise to North Vietnam was a full resumption of bombing if any terms were violated....they got a little taste of B-52 action in the north in the christmas bombing in 1972, didnt feel to good...then along comes the cavalry in the form of the democratic house and senate, during the bullshit watergate fiasco, and proceed to cut all funding to South Vietnam in 1974..6 months later an ally, who the democrats turned their back, falls to communism, which leads directly to mass murder on a scale of the holocaust...you dont see any hollywood movies about that do ya, NO, INSTEAD WE GET SHIT LIKE THE PREPOSTEROUS "DEER HUNTER"...{the silly "russian roulette" scene in the jungle borders on the comical!!!..yeah right, your a captive and theyre gonna hand you a loaded weapon and let you put 3 bullets in it!!!whewwwww..what a kneeslapper!!...anyway, where are the films of the millions and millions that fled that shithole to come to america??..i saw Karnows bullshit on the war...typical "we were the bad guys" america hating..if we were the bad guys, why did all those people flee the country to come here then??...you wont see that on th enews shows...you kids got a lot to learn.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 7:18 pm | #

ANONYMOUS IN CAPS...

I am still waiting for your solutions to winning the Iraq War... Your (30) minutes are up as was your (15) minutes of fame...

And I am not your brother... twerp
Mr. Creosote | 05.13.06 - 7:18 pm | #

You Randi bashers just hate women who argue just as ferociously as men by calling them "rude", "obnoxious" or "b$#@es" to try to put them down.
Guy Fawkes | 05.13.06 - 7:18 pm | #

I ♥ Randi!!!!
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:21 pm | #

AND, they think she has the wrong hairstyle.
mirth | 05.13.06 - 7:22 pm | #

can we call his talk show and cluck like chickens?
eve | 05.13.06 - 7:22 pm | #

someone needs to sit this woman down and show her some manners.

STFU, troll
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:22 pm | #

Anonymous,

What the hell are you talking about? I tried to help you but now you are getting on my last nerve...

You have a PC... please go over to that fountain of misinformation WIKIPEDIA and read something, anything because you are really making yourself look bad...

There is no excuse for ignorance of history or a poor education... even a Community College class or two would be plus in your special needs case...
Big Boy's Pants | 05.13.06 - 7:22 pm | #

she comes across as batshitcrazy.

She == Janet Parshall
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:23 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 7:18 pm | #

Awright, already.
You're getting wicked tiresome.
Shoo!
mirth | 05.13.06 - 7:24 pm | #

she's a rude, obnoxious woman.

She == Lucianne Goldberg
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:24 pm | #

i read the transcript this morning, it sounds like Randi got quite a few good points in.
n69n | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:25 pm | #

America dont like the cut of your jib libs.
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:26 pm | #

MERRY FITZMAS!!!
Jeff Gannon's Pimp | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:27 pm | #

http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/ 051306W.shtml

MERRY FITZMAS!!!!!!!
Jeff Gannon's Pimp | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:28 pm | #

Rhandi fucking kicks ass.
kharma | 05.13.06 - 7:30 pm | #

And have you noticed they (the media) all want Randi on their shows now? Wimps. Weren't brave enough to do it 3 years ago, were you?

And, frankly, it is getting rather boring to see all the "moderators" like Larry King and that guy yesterday nervously laugh when Randi starts talking. They make comments about "It's getting HOT!" Er ... you dweebs don't know what HOT is. (Reminds me of "Both the LEFT and RIGHT say we are biased, so we MUST be doing it right!" Yeah, right, but not in the sense you mean it. I mean really -- how stupid must one be to actually still use that tired, old canard?

Go back to kindergarten for a refresher course.
Shell | 05.13.06 - 7:30 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 7:18 pm | #

People like you make me hate people like you.

You are twisting the facts to suit your opinions. The deer hunter was a movie. Get over it. It has nothing to do with any argument coming from the left. The arguments coming from the left are all over these threads if you care to expand your data base. But i suspect that is the last thing on your mind. You would rather mispercieve reality to hide your ignorance from yourself while screaming it from the mountain tops.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:31 pm | #

ummmjunior, the Iraq war was won in 3 weeks..what your point??..you still equate violence as as the war is "lost"..we have violence in this country that dwarfs Iraq!!!...the so called enemy i dont think controls one lousy goverment building!!!!..they are having some continued problems with electricity in BAGHDAD...but ya know why??...EVERYBODY HAS FUCKIN AIR-CONDITIONERS NOW!!!!!!!!!..you dont see that on the news do ya...ya fly into baghdad, all you see is satellite dishes!!..other than sporadic violence in a few provinces, everything is going just fine there...YOU GUYS ARE SWALLOWING THE MEDIA HYSTERIA!!!...i JUST SAW A REPORT WHERE SOME IRAQI BUSINESSMAN IS PLANNING A HUGE DISNEY STYLED AMUSEMENT PARK OUTSIDE BAGHDAD...not gonna see that on the news are ya??..just admit it..Osama bin Laden is correct. You guys cant stomach the casualties, you wanna run and scream and throw your hands up when some fight back..dangerous...dangerous..dangerous thinking
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 7:32 pm | #

undermining the troops?

Condoleezza Rice said the United States made possibly "thousands" of tactical mistakes in the war against Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/eu.../uk.rice.straw/
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:33 pm | #

America dont like the cut of your jib libs.

29%
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:34 pm | #

Usualy ignore trolls ...but... just wanted to point out concerning its comment on 'kent state victims as communists' that :
where leaders send thousands of youth to die but do not go themselves cuz they are party aparatchik, and
where secret prisons, or gulags, are constructed and people tortured therein, and
where telephone conversations are always tapped...

Where is it?

The triumph of Soviet style communism is in the white house.

guess anon is one of the 'heroes of the people' after all
apple pie | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:35 pm | #

we have violence in this country that dwarfs Iraq!!!...

If America were as dangerous as Baghdad, we would have 720,000 murders a year.
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:35 pm | #

Today in Iraq

05/13/06 KUNA: Four Iraqis killed in Mosul

05/13/06 Xinhua: 3 Iraqis killed in attacks in Baghdad

05/13/06 AP: Tribal sheik killed in Mosul

05/13/06 Reuters: Two policemen killed in Mosul

05/13/06 AP: Three bodies found in Baghdad

05/13/06 KUNA: Three Iraqis wounded in explosion in Kirkuk

05/13/06 AP: Son Of Top Iraqi Judge Found Dead

05/13/06 AP: Fighting Between Iraqi Army Units Kills 2

Sounds like Disneyland.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:37 pm | #

bull froggy if your right about all this shit going down then by this time next year i should see bush rice cheant rumsfeldt rove married to the limb of a tree with a rope around thier filty necks!
tyree | 05.13.06 - 6:56 pm |

i don't wanna see anyone hangin' from a tree, ty. i just wanna see some good ol' fashioned united states of america justice be served... it's been a while, i'm kinda missin' it.

i'm from illinois, i don't support the death penalty. we found out how badly it got abused in this state. an' more killing just isn't gonna do anyone any good.
bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 7:38 pm | #

I usually agree with Randi but it's always hard to listen to her. It seems like she is always talking over someone.
kyblu | 05.13.06 - 7:39 pm | #

bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 7:38 pm | #

I fully agree.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:40 pm | #

xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:31 pm | #

People like our little anonymous friend get their military education from movies, because they are either too frightened (Hannity), too fat (Rush) or too preoccupied (Cheney) to serve the country they claim to love.

They are beneath contempt.

At least one of the anonymous comments abusing anonymous were mine. New computer, forgot to put in my name, apologies to site monitor.
Gregory | 05.13.06 - 7:40 pm | #

Did you notice Ben was looking for help every now and then off camera. He couldn't handle Randi except for correcting his age. 24 is young enough to fight in a war he supports so much.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 7:40 pm | #

This little twit has his own radio show? Where? Out of his basement or something? The dork would fail freshman debating 101 - oh, let us count the ways shall we -

FERGUSON: Who said war was easy?
A: Uh, Rumsfeld with his "I doubt 6 months", Uh Cheney "last throes of the insurgency".

Randi: They're there without the proper troop numbers.

FERGUSON: Because you guys are say that it's a quagmire.

A: Hmmm lets see, every dem but about 3 voted for the war, so thats not true. And so what happened first, we went in without the right number of troops because of left? Or we went in with the wrong number of troops and then it turned INTO a quagmire. Doesnt even have the order of things right. Completely illogical and invalid argument.

FERGUSON: I support the Yankees doesn't mean I wear their uniform.

Translation: I can jump on the Neo train and be opportunistic, get my punk ass on TV, make some money spouting ill informed bullshit I cant support and probably dont believe, pretend to be smart but really am just a dumb ass propaganda mouth peice for a fascist regime. But carry a gun? Get shot at? Put my money where my mouth is and get dirty? Oh you mean like Bush and Cheney did? Uhhh, Get blown up? Uh, yea, well, um, hmm, lets see. I have a show to do sorry. My agent says I might get to be on Hannity and Colmes.

The little fucktard messed with the bull and Randi gave him the fucking horns.

I bet they couldnt find any "legit" neoconvict that would come on with Randi because they know they would get shredded so they just punk out, which is normal.

All bark, but when it comes down to it, the only way this little punk would ever go to Iraq is if he can get an all cash no bid contract with no paperwork. That is what neo's stand for.

Do the bush supporters realize that it has hit the point that they are actively backing Fascism? Do you understand what that is? Do you have any sense of world view that extends past your county line? Do you have any sense of history at all?

To use the words of bush against you - you are for us, or you are against us.

If you stand on the side of Bush, you are okay with living in a Fascist country, and you are too dumb to realize that it has already happened.

You have bought the Big Lie hook, line and sinker. Go look up what that is. Its kinda famous.

Oh wait, there is a NASCAR race on huh, guess you are going to have wait until that is over.

Punk ass little bitch got put in his place by Randi, a real American with double his life experience, both in his own industry and in the military.

The idiot should just shut the fuck up and climb back into whatever backwater bunker he climbed out of.

You neocons embarrass me and make me ashamed to be an American.
Intenzity | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:40 pm | #

Ha ha ha ha ha ahhhaaa!!

You asshats actually take Dhimmi Rhodes at her word! LOL! She's a screaming moonbat just like the rest of you.

Aren't any of you embarrassed by her? She simply shouted over the others. This is your representative. She is a postergirl of the fascistic, totalitarian, screaaaaming moonbat left.
Che | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:41 pm | #

Uh...maybe I'm an agist or something, but what's a 24-year-old doing on television?
Big Daddy Malcontent | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:42 pm | #

kyblu

It's the only way to do it. The host always lets them get away with lying so Randi needs to shout out the truth or we'll never know the truth. Thank god for people like her who wont sit back and let freaks like Ben get away with their lies.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 7:43 pm | #

the reason i bring up the movie THE DEER HUNTER is that is when this"omg,the soldiers in vietnam" have suffered so horribly" shit started. this constant milking of emotion of how horrible war is, started...The KATIE COURIC syndrome i call it...i especially love the democrats constant wail of "WE GOTTA REDEPLOY OUR TROOPS TO GET THEM SAFELY OUT OF HARMS WAY"!!!OMG........DO THEY KNOW PUSSIFIED THAT SOUNDS???..THEY ARE FUCKIN MARINES!!!!..and these polls kill me..my fave..'DO YOU FEEL THAT THE WAR IS WORTH AMERICAS LOSS IN BLOOD AND TREASURE??...OF course most people will answer no!!!...you think they had these crazy polls during WW2??....Bin Laden got you appeasers figured out all right...
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 7:43 pm | #

Anonymous,

You seem to be losing your composure. I understand the strain and pressure of trying to defend what should have been a push over of a war that has now developed into an out of control low intensity conflict with 2436 dead...

This is not the smell of victory my little friend...

The US has made some progress... no question... but a full one third of Iraq remains at war (central)... the north is off limits to US troops (New Kurdistan) and the south is rebelling against the Brits (Basra Insurrection)...

Tell again us how Disneyland Baghdad is going to bring a transfixed unified state with strong ties to the west to Iraq? Or will we see a splintered along sectarian lines mini-states within the Iranian sphere of influence?
Mr. Creosote | 05.13.06 - 7:43 pm | #

"fascistic, totalitarian, screaaaaming moonbat left."
You must mean the wingnut right.
kyblu | 05.13.06 - 7:43 pm | #

Che | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:41 pm | #

Is "fascistic" a word?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:45 pm | #

Che, list one thing that Randi said that was untrue. Just one...............

What I'm embarrassed about is people letting rightwing hacks spew their lies without questioning it.

Once again, disprove anything Randi said. Anything? Anything at all.

Ha ha ha ha ha ahhhaaa!!
Greg | 05.13.06 - 7:45 pm | #

"Once you've served, you come back, and you're suddenly a liberal."

Huh?
CD | 05.13.06 - 7:46 pm | #

http://dictionary.reference.com/...rch? q=fascistic
Tim | 05.13.06 - 7:46 pm | #

Tim | 05.13.06 - 7:44 pm | #

You just told us everything we need to know about you.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:46 pm | #

plus i'm a christian, ty. jesus had it right when he stopped 'em from stonin' that woman.
bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 7:46 pm | #

as offensive as his Yankees comment is, this is usefully revealing:
These douchebags think yellow ribbons and bumper stickers--and prayers!!--are more important than body armor, adequate forces, and food. And this douchebag mentailty is running the country.
DemByDefault | 05.13.06 - 7:47 pm | #

Randi OWN3D his punk ASS...hat and all!

Lou Costello | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:47 pm | #

Tim | 05.13.06 - 7:46 pm | #

I see, it is an Italian word.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:47 pm | #

That kid got nailed because he said something extraordinarily stupid-- associating his support of the iraq venture and the country with rooting for a sports team.

That said, why would anyone watch a television program about two people screaming at each other?
Anonymous | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:49 pm | #

'cause everyone's fucked somethin' up
bullfrog | 05.13.06 - 7:49 pm | #

Because we don't know where to find you, got an adress?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:50 pm | #

ok..lemme try this, across any state in this country TODAY. theyre were probably thousands of cars accidents, now what if the media reported every single one of them..youd think "my god, its a demolition derby out there, youd get a skewed picture that would not represent how it affects you...same thing in Iraq, you think 'my god, its comin apart, when in fact its not....to the dork with his little list of crimes in Iraq, i could easily make a list of what went on in California today too...your appeasers plain and simple..
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 7:51 pm | #

It is a demolition derby out there and people are not being taught how to drive. People get killed on the streets and highwyas all the time. So what the fuck? Let's have a war and kill some more people why don't we? Hey any body up for some good old human sacrafice?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:53 pm | #

horrible tv
me | 05.13.06 - 7:54 pm | #

Damn it i'm late, I missed out on all of the Turd
Ferguson jokes. Damn, Damn, Damn…Oh well!
bastard | 05.13.06 - 7:54 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 7:43 pm | #

You are the kind of guy I like to meet in "real" life. I could show you my DD214 and you could show me yours. I could show you my decorations and... oh wait, you don't have either. Just another blowhard who got his military education at the teat of shirkers like Rush and Stallone.

If I could quote Dean Wermer here, my anonymous little friend,

"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life."
Gregory | 05.13.06 - 7:55 pm | #

But that guy was such a lightweight, it's hardly any fun for Randi to devour him.
Henny Penny the sky is falling | 05.13.06 - 7:56 pm | #

You know what else kills people everyday? Lack of health insurance. If we took the money we are spending on this war we could give everyone health insurance and start a comprehensive mass transit system that could get people of the roads which would save more lives and drive down the cost of gasoline. Any questions?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:58 pm | #

She was right to ask why isn't he serving in the military. That's the same question we on the inside are asking. I hear all of this talk about supporting of our troops ... I don't see those that are of "M-16 bearing age" out there giving some support where it will be appreciated the most ... street to street ... door to door. She ate his damned lunch. She may come off as a little out of control, that may very well be because she has been on the inside and she has much on her chest to get off AS MANY OF US ON THE INSIDE DO. Don't use us for political ends !!!
Walt | 05.13.06 - 8:01 pm | #

"FERGUSON: I support the Yankees doesn't mean I wear their uniform."

- He looks as though he cannot play any sports, so he would be living in a fantasy world if he thought he could wear a Yankees’ uniform. On the other hand, the military will accepts anyone including an autistic kid.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:01 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 7:51 pm

So you're saying Iraq is the same as California.

I like it. Nothing to lose at this point.

Dickenhawk
Cheney | 05.13.06 - 8:02 pm | #

And to support Walt, here, why has so much been spent yet the troops don't have the equipment they need and not enough food? There is no excuse for this war and no excuse for how it is being waged.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:03 pm | #

again..the "war" against the big bad Saddam Hussein and the big, bad vaunted Republican Guard was a pushover...i mean geez, 130,000 troops tore thru the heart of a country of 25 million in the heart of the supposedly bad-ass middle east in 3 lousy weeks with only 140 kia??..if thats not a cakealk, i dont know what is. But you love the insurgency dont ya, that way you can see.."America didnt win"..lol..yep, 2400 kia in 3 half years, the mighty US armed forces have been crushed!!!you guys are jealous of your own military!!!..weird...wonder what kind of syndrome that is..you get that "im cool" feeling going against the obvious...appeasers..
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:05 pm | #

When is enough, enough? When do we take a stand and say to the government, stop lying or leave our capitol? Are we a nation of human beings to be respected or sheep to be sent to slaughter? A nation of responsible adults standing proud or frightened and abused children cowering before the abuser?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
POST AMERICAN | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:05 pm | #

Tim has decided for some reason that there are no black people in the NSA who can figure out where he lives and off him when the country is fully under control.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:05 pm | #

I stlll can't get over the fact the mighty CNN put a 24 year old young man with a JFK haircut on TV only to have him compare joining the Military with trying out for the Yankees.
Alistair Cook | 05.13.06 - 8:07 pm | #

Anonymous unfortunately has come down with a terminal case of fascist-thinking cancer. There's no changing his mind. He has gotten so delusional that he thinks it cool that the US has gone billions of dollars into debt so that the Iraqis can have their own disneyland.

Those kids may not have a Mom or a Dad or house or a left leg but they can high five Mickey on top of space moutain.

I think it's time to put Anonymous down.

Luckily, he's in an ever shrinking minority who believes this garbage. 29% or is that 28 now...
worldbridger | 05.13.06 - 8:07 pm | #

[deleted--Take your racist posts elsewhere. If you continue in this vein, you will be banned.]

Edited By Siteowner
Tim | 05.13.06 - 8:07 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:05 pm | #

Do you know even one war veteran? Have you ever talked to one?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:08 pm | #

I started reading this thread due to frat boy Fergie...ANONYCAP kept me interested...really found you quite funny until this statement...ummmjunior, the Iraq war was won in 3 weeks...let me speak in tone of voice you seem to understand...
WE HAVEN'T WON SHIT. THREE WEEKS OF OUR MILITARY AIR SUPERIORITY AND BOMBING CAPABILITIES COMPARED TO THE LOST CREDIBILITY, SAPPED MILITARY RESOURCES, 2500 DEAD SOLDIERS, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF INJURED SOLDIERS(MANY PERMANENTLY), TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DEAD IRAQI CIVILIANS, SOARING NATIONAL DEBT IN AN OVER 3 YEARS AND COUNTING WAR ARE THE EQUIVALENT OF THE SCORING 10 RUNS IN THE FIRST INNING AND LOSING THE GODDAMN GAME.

Now, kindly, Shut The Fuck Up!
numfar | 05.13.06 - 8:08 pm | #

"We of the Kennedy and Johnson administrations who participated in the decisions on Vietnam acted according to what we thought were the principles and traditions of this nation. We made our decisions in light of those values. Yet we were wrong, terribly wrong. We owe it to future generations to explain why."

Robert S.McNamara,
IN RETROSPECT:THE TRAGEDY AND LESSONS OF VIETNAM
by ROBERT S. MCNAMARA WITH BRIAN VANDEMARK
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:09 pm | #

Pardon me, but why the hell do we have wet-behind-the-ears 24 year olds on TV pushing agendas on TV as experts in the first place?

I mean, it's different if they actually have some kind of life experience, like perhaps having served in the military and thus being able to speak about it, or perhaps having been poor and having had to pull themselves up, etc...

But what the hell can a pampered trustfund baby barely out of diapers have to tell us?
craig | 05.13.06 - 8:09 pm | #

How many posters tagged Anonymous are on this thread?

Would the Iraq War supporting Anonymous who is a gutless pigdog and not in Iraq currently fighting for this war he so poignantly defends please change your name to Anonymous Chickenshit... for identification purposes only you understand.
Big Boy's Pants | 05.13.06 - 8:11 pm | #

Tim, you know you are going to be banned from this site don't you? Better for you, actually as the NSA is very interested in what is said here and who said it. Your lack of understanding about reality notwithstanding i am sure you are pissing off some black mid level manager at the NSA right now who happens to have all sorts of connections you can't even dream about.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:12 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:05 pm

Obviously you're not much of a student of military history. The US Army lost that many killed on June Sixth Nineteen Forty Four.

Even if ten thousand died in Iraq that would be about a sixth of the number that died in Vietnam.

It's not the US military that's been "crushed".

There isn't a force on earth that could do that.

It's the Bush Administration that's been demonstrated to be incompetent. Particularly after their absolutely idiotic "mission accomplished" posture in '03.
Alistair Cook | 05.13.06 - 8:12 pm | #

ROFL!!! Didn't take long! The little boy is now trying to compare driving a car with being a soldier in Iraq. LOL (Is he really that child on Larry King last night? Their examples match up perfectly -- baseball and war! Driving a car and dead soldiers! Same thing!)

One clue for the child: soldiers already in the military HAVE to go to Iraq. People don't HAVE to drive cars.

(Are they really THIS stupid?)
Shell | 05.13.06 - 8:13 pm | #

Oh give Ferguson a break. Clearly the little bastard is behind all his "friends in the military". In fact, he's so far behind them that they'll NEVER, EVER see him.

Must warm their hearts to know that he admires them and the work they do so much that he'll fight like Hell from his Mamma's basement to make damn sure that they don't have to come home.

And Anonymous, your point is bullshit. There's many car accidents in Iraq every day too. They don't get reported, either. But if a car bomb were to go off in Miami, you'd damn well better believe that it would be covered, just like a car bomb in Iraq would and should be covered. Don't be an apologist.

I will agree that Iraq isn't "coming" apart. It's long fucking gone boy.
screwedrus | 05.13.06 - 8:14 pm | #

numfar | 05.13.06 - 8:08 pm | #

Thank you very much. I could not have screamed it better myself.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:14 pm | #

numfar,
Good post. Anonofreeper is hopeless.
Gregory | 05.13.06 - 8:14 pm | #

It's the Bush Administration that's been demonstrated to be incompetent. Particularly after their absolutely idiotic "mission accomplished" posture in '03.
Didn't he remind you of the preening little chicken hawk in the old Foghorn Leghorn cartoons?

What a tool the Shrub has shown himself to be.
numfar | 05.13.06 - 8:15 pm | #

I don't understand what everyone is so flapdoodly about?

M-16

Louisville Slugger

Same thing.
Ben Ferguson | 05.13.06 - 8:15 pm | #

"Hysterical liberal"? "Out of control"? "Batshitcrazy"? Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin is "Batshitcrazy". Hannity and O'Reilly are HYSTERICAL!! AND OUT OF CONTROL. Why is it that progressives/liberals must be on their best behavior or else the other guys will see us as "crazy"? The fact is the other guys are CEAZIER and they don't give a rat's a$$ who knows it!!! WE Libs should be the same way. RANDI RHODES ROCKS!!!!!!
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:16 pm | #

numfar | 05.13.06 - 8:15 pm | #

I say...I say...I say...YES!
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:16 pm | #

I forgot to tag the above comment. Randi and Air America Radio are the best!!!!
Geminess | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:17 pm | #

It's not the US military that's been "crushed".

Our ground forces are nearing collapse. Many are on their 3rd or 4th tours and the strain is tremendous.
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:19 pm | #

Want to see democracy in action? How 'bout we propose a purple finger referendum on the occupation and let the Iraqi people decide? Fat chance!
Zman | 05.13.06 - 8:19 pm | #

ok..lemme try this, across any state in this country TODAY. theyre were probably thousands of cars accidents, now what if the media reported every single one of them..youd think "my god, its a demolition derby out there

anonymous

You just don't get it and never will. A car accident is exactly that. An accident. A war is never an accident. In Bush's case, it's premeditated murder. A serial killer's murder is carried every day on the news because it is that. A murder planned out. So every death in Iraq has been planned by Bush and is newsworthy. When will you give up? When you join up and killed by a war that was started by Bush? Please coward, join the Bush cause and die for your country in Iraq.
Greg | 05.13.06 - 8:19 pm | #

Quite revealing, that contemptable coward equating his "support" for America's success in the war with being a fucking Yankee fan.
That is really how these self-satisfied rightist geniuses see life.
War, baseball, video games. What's the difference?
War IS a god damned game to guys like Ben Ferguson who know that they won't have to fight.
The sad part is that the likes of Ferguson would get some cushy duty if he did get forced to serve- like The Chimperor did when he could have gone to Vietnam.
At least Randi made the miserable worm squirm a little...
Capability Jones | 05.13.06 - 8:20 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:17 pm | #

Cars were banned.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:20 pm | #

HAHAHAHAHA...

Anonymous... see I tried to warn you... get you some edgumacation boy...

You got pant's again... this time by Alistair Cook...

How many ass whoopings are you willing to take?

Either you are a sadomasochist or one dumb SOB...

What is it BIG BOY???
Big Boy's Pants | 05.13.06 - 8:20 pm | #

Craig --

Not only that, but they are in the White House, too -- lots of them. I guess they are running out of mentally ill warmongers of older age.

And I am not kidding or exaggerating.
Shell | 05.13.06 - 8:21 pm | #

http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/ 051306W.shtml

Thruthout is reporting that Karl Rove was indicted last night.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:21 pm | #

xoiyes -fascistic is a word, it an adjective, and no it's not from italian but from latin, the mother of modern european languages including english
nieddu | 05.13.06 - 8:21 pm | #

My favorite part of the show was how the child kept desperately looking elsewhere (for help?). He did that SO often -- like whenever he got in trouble. Mommy was probably sitting in the audience. "Mommy! Make her stop being so MEAN to me!!!!!"
Shell | 05.13.06 - 8:24 pm | #

yep..its so dangerous in IRAQ, that on election day, 70 percent of a population of 25 million dressed in their best clothes and WALKED...I MEAN WALKED to go and vote!!!.

Why aren't you vacationing there then coward? I hear the dry summers are great. It's a dry heat, with the smell of decomposing bodies in the streets. Except in the Green Zone. They got XBox!!
Greg | 05.13.06 - 8:24 pm | #

Greg | 05.13.06 - 8:19 pm | #

Let me add that a car accident takes an instant. Being on the front lines (in the case of Iraq there are no front lines, they call it a 360 degree arc 24/7) day in and day out whether you get wounded or killed or not is more stress than anyone needs in a lifetime. But Anonuts would not know this because he gets his information from comic books.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:24 pm | #

ANONYMOUS IN CAPS...

If we are all such COWARDS what are you doing here...

Why aren't you in Iraq basking in the safety of a Sadr City street patrol?

You're nothing but a big mouth gutless wimp...

What a poseur...
Mr. Creosote | 05.13.06 - 8:25 pm | #

Traitors in the White House, Libby and Rove indicted in connection with leaking the name of a Covert CIA Operative to the News Media during a time of war.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/ 051306W.shtml
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:26 pm | #

Tim | 05.13.06 - 8:21 pm | #

Proof positive that ignorance loves ignorance.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:26 pm | #

Robert S.McNamara,
IN RETROSPECT:THE TRAGEDY AND LESSONS OF VIETNAM
by ROBERT S. MCNAMARA WITH BRIAN VANDEMARK
-----------------------
Fuck McNamara.

Now, with one foot in the grave that bastard admits to a "mistake?"

His mistake was to arrogantly assume that he was the smartest SOB on earth. He had nothing but contempt for the military leaders. Figured that if they were losers because they didn't go for the big bucks in the private sector.

Enjoy Hell, Bob, you war criminal. Maybe you and Kissenger can share a spit.
Capability Jones | 05.13.06 - 8:26 pm | #

Woohoo.
If he joined the military perhaps he would get a decent haircut as well.
Rhodes was good this time. Thank you Randi, many people saw it and thought, hmmmm.....
uppity kitty | 05.13.06 - 8:26 pm | #

"FERGUSON: Who said war was easy?"

The Neo-cons?

"FERGUSON: And just because I support something doesn't mean I have to always go fight."

Yeah. Having other people fight in your place is so noble.

"FERGUSON: I support the Yankees doesn't mean I wear their uniform."

At least the Yankees get proper pay and equipment.
Tequila | 05.13.06 - 8:27 pm | #

nieddu | 05.13.06 - 8:21 pm | #

Thank you, i learn something new all the time. Not a word i hear very often. "Fascism" seems to convey the exact same meaning.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:27 pm | #

OK, this is funny. I have been rereading "Anonymous"'s posts. And yes, I know there are several chatters using that name, but it is obvious which one is the one we are talking about.

But if you look at them all -- from the first -- until now. He is gradually deflating. Or, as I suspect, he is about ready to .... can't say it here. Hope it all comes out OK for you, Anon.
Shell | 05.13.06 - 8:29 pm | #

Xoites- sorry about the typo ealier
nieddu | 05.13.06 - 8:30 pm | #

OK, the proper thing for Randi and anyone else to say when confronted by a chickenhawk is "Why do you refuse to serve in the military?"

The operative word is REFUSE. They could easily join the military, but they don't. They REFUSE to serve in the military. They REFUSE to serve their country. They REFUSE to put themselves in danger. They REFUSE to join the military during wartime.

They REFUSE. It's a choice and they REFUSE it. Don't use any other terminology. Don't say "You support the war, but you don't want to fight it", say "You support the war but you refuse to serve".

"You may have friends in the military, but that's not the same as being there yourself. You refuse to serve."

Practice using the word 'refuse' when even thinking about a chickenhawk. They are refuse-niks. They refuse.
900 FOOT JESUS | 05.13.06 - 8:31 pm | #

I love watching Randi on the TeeVee almost as much as I love listening to her!

I listen to her show via podcast every day. It makes the trips to and from class both informing and speedy!

I heart you Randi Rhodes, you gave that little Nazi youth brownshirt POS what he deserved.
Hillary '08 | 05.13.06 - 8:31 pm | #

BTW Randi Rhodes was a Captain in the U.S. Air Force.

I spent 12 years in the Air Force, got shot at twice, hit once. Not bad in the arm, bullet hit the bone in my forearm, broke my arm, bullet broke up and came out in three places.

Karl Rove a Bush advisdor and Chief of Staff for Domestic Policy and Lewis I "Scooter" Libby, Cheney's former chief of Staff, have been indicted in connection with leaking the name of a covert CIA Operative to the News Media during a time of war.

Scooter Libby has stated in Grand Jury that he was directed to leak the name by the Vice President.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:31 pm | #

if what were doing in Iraq is so wrong, wheres all the protests in the middle east??..there isnt none..and ya know why, because deep down the Arab world knows Saddan Hussein killed more Arabs the any war ever will..you kooks just ask yourself a question..if the bombings and the insurgency stopped tomorrow, what would it be like in IRAQ then??..would it not be a much better place??..would it not be a beacon for the rest of the middle east??..amazing how certain people just hate their own country...its just jealousy, only thing that makes sense!!
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:32 pm | #

Excuse my French, but that slimy fat bastard. Twenty-four is a prime age to fight on the ramparts of freedom instead of being a know-it-all talking head on TV. What a big mouth coward! Also, the moderator made fun of Randy because she kept talking loudly, which is exactly the technique used by the Republicans to drown out the evil liberals. Give them Hell Randy -- you should be in Congress.
Rufus | 05.13.06 - 8:34 pm | #

Tim | 05.13.06 - 8:29 pm | #

[deleted-xoites, don't feed the trolls]

Ok, we heard you say it. Now go away.

Edited By Siteowner
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:34 pm | #

Breaking news: Rove indicted.
child | 05.13.06 - 8:34 pm | #

She does take some getting used to but the woman has the facts and stats to back up her arguments. She's right way more often than she's wrong and corrects herself when confronted with an error. She doesn't put up with the cupcake right-wingers' bullshit. She calls them on their junior high debating tactic crap and doesn't fall for Praeger's inane hypotheticals. Basically she kicks ass and takes names and the gutless cons can't handle it.
jwf | 05.13.06 - 8:35 pm | #

900 FOOT JESUS | 05.13.06 - 8:31 pm | #

The thing about that is i support our troops and i refuse to go and i would not if i was 24. I refuse to support war. There is a difference.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:36 pm | #

I listen to Randi daily. I agree with much of what she says and I dislike Bush as much as the next guy. But Randi must realize that when she is on tv she not preaching to the radio choir. She needs to calm down, not wander off topic and she still can make her points heard and take her shots at those knuckleheads. Sam Seder and Tom Hartman deliver great responses to their conservative callers without jumping out of their seats. Goodness gracious, the host was practically laughing at her and that's not good for our side of the debate.
ftrwdr | 05.13.06 - 8:36 pm | #

Also a little apples to apples comparison on the death rates -

LA - City of 10 MILLION people
10,000,000

Deaths for last 3 years due to homicide
(I will be generous and use the 2003 number of 1,42

1,428 X 3 = 4284

Chance of being killed in LA?

4284/10,000,000 = .000042

Deployed in Iraq?

Number of Troops - 138,000
Deaths - 2432

Chance of being killed in Iraq?

2432/138,000 = 0.19738

Chance of being WIA Not RTD-ed (which means Wounded in Action Not Returned to Duty, in other words, Fucked Up Really Bad)

8239/138,000 = 0.59702

Plus as was already listed the KIA's today, and the Iraq's dead, how many we will never really know.

So which bet will you take? The "I am going to get killed in Iraq" bet? Or the "I am going to get killed in LA" bet?

God, I hate this Rush Limbaugh style argumentation that these clowns do.

Take something that is factish, say it with conviction and leave out critical parts of the equation or put the component parts together in a way that fundamentally makes your argument invalid.

Have more people died in LA than US soldiers in Iraq? Yes.

BUT THERE ARE 10 TIMES AS MANY PEOPLE IN LA!

And LA does not have a death rate that is 10 times higher than Iraq.

Check the numbers -

LA Population and deaths:
http://www.fedstats.gov/qf/state...s/06/ 06037.html

Troop strength in Iraq:
http://iraq.usembassy.gov/iraq/ 1...2005troops.html

Check my math. Maybe I screwed something up.
Intenzity | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:36 pm | #

Anonymous,

You do realize that we've installed a Muslim Fundamentalist Government in Iraq. The Iraqi Constitution calls for the obeyance of Sharia Law.

We removed a Secular government in Iraq and installed a Muslim Fundamentalist Government.

In Afghanistan we removed one Fundamentalist Muslim Government from Power and installed another with Oil Executives at the head. They are now losing power to the Taliban, the government we deposed.

There has been fighting in Iraq for 6000 year, if the U.S. were to pull out the violence will erupt. The Iranians and the Turks hate the Kurds, the Sunni and Shites hate each other.

I strongly suggest you take some time to learn something of history, particularily the history of the Middle East before you continue to comment.

Most Moslems are happy that we installed a Muslim Fundamentalist Government in Iraq and are waiting for us to do as we promised and withdraw our forces.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:37 pm | #

why would i go to Iraq for vaction, i can get dry heat and the smell of decompsing bodies right in Los Angeles..hehe.heh..
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:37 pm | #

"if what WERE doing in Iraq is so wrong, WHERES all the protests in the middle east??..there ISNT NONE"

Almost there, son. The spelling and grammar are getting worse, too. Come on ... you can do it, child!
Shell | 05.13.06 - 8:37 pm | #

ftrwdr --

You actually think SHE came off badly? And the host was laughing at HER?

ROFL I swear! Americans need to get up to at least a 70 IQ.
Shell | 05.13.06 - 8:39 pm | #

child | 05.13.06 - 8:34 pm | #

I sure wish that would solve all our problems but it may be a start. I don't know if Bush will know what to do or say without Rove.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:39 pm | #

Rhodes might be strident, but I saw that piece on TV last night, and it was one of the best TV I have ever seen.

Up to that point I thought it was kind of a yell-fest, but then she slammed the punk right where it hurt, and he deserved every bit of it.
Ass kicked | 05.13.06 - 8:40 pm | #

Tim | 05.13.06 - 8:29 pm | #

[deleted-xoites, don't feed the trolls]

Ok, we heard you say it. Now go away.

Edited By Siteowner
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:34 pm | #

Trolls gotta eat too.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:41 pm | #

Goodness gracious, the host was practically laughing at her and that's not good for our side of the debate.

Screw that. The GOP has made gasbags like Limbaugh honorary congressmen. It's time to push back, HARD.
Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:41 pm | #

Intenzity,
You left out the Iraqis.
Zman | 05.13.06 - 8:41 pm | #

Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:37 pm

G. W. Bush's final legacy as President will be an endless series of wars over oil masquerading as a "Clash of Civilizations" between the Liberal West and Islamic fundamentalism.

The war will end when the oil runs out or nuclear armageddon shortens the process.

Of course we could all convert to Islam and offer to pay 15 dollars a gallon for regular.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 8:43 pm | #

Nice argument anonymous. The Iraqis should be happy because we're not as bad as Sadaam? You are batshit crazy, boy.

When you have to start comparing yourself to Sadaam to look favorable you are absolutely in the shitter.

And as far as the Middle East's attitude, here's the only lesson they've learned from all this:

"If you have nuclear weapons, we won't invade. If you don't have nuclear weapons we will invade."

Can you guess what every country in the Middle East is going to be doing for the next few years? And Bush is now DIRECTLY responsible for the increase in nuclear proliferation.

Suck on that.
screwedrus | 05.13.06 - 8:43 pm | #

http://www.newshounds.us/2006/ 05...vestigators.php

http://www.opednews.com/ articles..._indicted_o.htm

http://www.themoderatevoice.com/ ...147493325.shtml

http://www.northjersey.com/ page....jd2cWVlRUV5eTY=
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:44 pm | #

G. W. Bush's final legacy as President will be an endless series of wars over oil masquerading as a "Clash of Civilizations" between the Liberal West and Islamic fundamentalism.

The war will end when the oil runs out or nuclear armageddon shortens the process.

Of course we could all convert to Islam and offer to pay 15 dollars a gallon for regular.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 8:43 pm

There is already a lot of Muslims.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:45 pm | #

I posted the above about a lot of Muslims already.

Additionally look for other news sources than Truthout about the Karl Rove Indictments that were presented to his lawyer last evening.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:46 pm | #

Shell-
Did you watch the whole broadcast? Sure, she got some good shots in, but at what expense. The host was grinning ear to ear. And if you think that's a smart presentation on her part then maybe you should have your IQ checked.
ftrwdr | 05.13.06 - 8:47 pm | #

Che | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:41 pm | #

Is "fascistic" a word?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 7:45 pm | #

Yes, oh product of public "education." Read this: http://www.thefreedictionary.com...y.com/ fascistic

Che, list one thing that Randi said that was untrue. Just one...............

What I'm embarrassed about is people letting rightwing hacks spew their lies without questioning it.

Once again, disprove anything Randi said. Anything? Anything at all.

Ha ha ha ha ha ahhhaaa!!
Greg | 05.13.06 - 7:45 pm | #

Randi said that the government's monitoring of phone numbers with computers to find patters is illegal. She's wrong, just as one would expect from a screaming moonbat. Further, my point did not mention anything as to her relative correctness/inocorrectness. My point was about her totalitarian "debating" style.

Remember when Prager challenged her to come on his show anytime?

I will be VERY anxious to see whether or not the loud, arrogant, narcissist has the balls to go on Prager. He'll eat that screaming moonbat alive.

You all ripping on Fergusson is pathetic; he's a little shit of a 24 year old. And if you think that one needs to serve in the military in order to have an opinion on war and peace are mind-fuck commie totalitarians who need to read the first fucking amendment. Hey bitches, if Fergusson needs to join the military in order to support the war in Iraq, then also do you shitheads need to join the military in order to be opposed to the war. Oh lord! I praise the day that ONLY combat veterans are allowed to determine US foreign policy!! Oh please let that day come soon so I can stop worrying about politics entirely! So long as the nihilistic, screaming moonbat left has no power all will be well in the world. Radical, terrorist islam would be defeated. Commie totalitarianism would be tossed on the crap-heap of history exactly where it belongs. Oh dear God, please bring that day sooner rather than later!!!!!
Che | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:47 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:45 pm

But more Chinese, and as many Hindus and non muslim Africans. Wasya point?
Vet | 05.13.06 - 8:47 pm | #

God bless Randi Rhodes.
MW | 05.13.06 - 8:50 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:45 pm

But more Chinese, and as many Hindus and non muslim Africans. Wasya point?
Vet | 05.13.06 - 8:47 pm

The way I read it (National Geographic last year)

Roughly 8 Billion people on the planet, nearly 4 Billion of them are Muslims.

It's 50/50.

1 Billion in India.
800 Million in China
280 Milllion in the U.S.

Africa is almost entirely Muslim.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:50 pm | #

Steve J. | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:19 pm

They get at least a year off between tours.
And they don't have to re-enlist. Even with Rumsfelds tricky dick policies, they get eventually get out when they really are near collapse. The rest is your opinion.

We have fewer troops in Iraq per capita than the NYPD has Officers in New York.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 8:51 pm | #

Che | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:47 pm | #

I am the product of a Jesuit education, thank you very much.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:51 pm | #

Steve j,
We're going for the middle. We shouldn't have to become a Rush or a Hannity to do that.
ftrwdr | 05.13.06 - 8:51 pm | #

Che,

I sort of agree. Because if only someone who had served were allowed to take part in the discussion then the current administration wouldn't get to say ONE FUCKING WORD about it.

Bush doesn't count, either. He was an AWOL piece of shit and everyone knows it. Everybody else had deferments up to their assholes. They are all the living embodiments of the Chickenhawk.
screwedrus | 05.13.06 - 8:52 pm | #

God damn, she made that guy look like a spoiled man-baby. Hahaha!
Daniel | 05.13.06 - 8:53 pm | #

http://images.google.com/imgres?...VXA:en%26sa% 3DN

Muslim Population Map. Circa 1998
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:53 pm | #

Vet | 05.13.06 - 8:51 pm | #

A lot of Iraq Vets go back because their buddies are and they don't want to see them go back without their direct support. They feel obligated to each other, which is commendable and understandable but it clouds the facts.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:53 pm | #

I should be back up in a couple more hours
C&L | 05.13.06 - 8:53 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:32 pm | # You're again confusing dissent with hatred, this is typical for people who suffer inferiority complex, it is because of ignorant people like you, that this country is in deep shit in Iraq, and in US civil liberty rights are being eroded. Since reason doesn't seem to make you think otherwise, I pray every day to the Almighty so that morons like you can eventually see the truth/light!
nieddu | 05.13.06 - 8:55 pm | #

Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:53 pm | #

Ten million muslims in the US and not one car bombing. Kinda makes you wonder if these folks are worth hating after all, don't it?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:56 pm | #

ANON,

Read thropugh most of your posts and just gotta say this: I never liked Bush and so while I may be slanted in my views because of that you have no right to accuse me of not supporting our troops. Our troops are MY FAMILY! I have two cousins fighting there. One has been shot in the leg and now needs a cane to walk and may neveer have propper use of that leg again. He's 22 years old and may never walk propperly again. Fortuantely he's got a steel resolve and has made great advances in his therapy but the crazy thing is that his parents say he was"lucky" to get out that way as opposed to so many others.

DOn't ever say I don't support the troops you piece of shit!
Stupid Git | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:56 pm | #

Vet | 05.13.06 - 8:55 pm | #

He shows you a web page with population figures and that makes him a muslim propagandist? Can you explain that statement?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:58 pm | #

Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:50 pm

Obviously, you are a muslim propagandist.

The WHO and UN estimate 1.2 to 1.4 Billion muslims out of a world population of 6.5 Billion.

Of course you're hoping by the time the world gets to eight billion people that half will be muslim.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 8:55 pm

You're obviously a Nazi hatemonger.

Are we going to resort to childish name calling?

Read a National Geographic article about Muslims last year, that was the reference I provided. You got a different reference and felt the need to insult me.

I feel the need to insult you back.

Gee this is fun.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:58 pm | #

The fact this kid is 24 years old speaks volumes. Is that all they've got? Where's Pierce Bush when we need a good frat boy?
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 8:59 pm | #

I support the Yankees doesn't mean I wear their uniform.

Is this kid, like, retarded or something? Why is it whenever these chickenhawk lowlifes get cornered in an argument, they try to bullshit their way out with some lame ass sports analogy? I guess they figure if our "team" stays and scores enought points (dead bodies) in Iraq, then we "win". What depth of thought!
GENE214 | 05.13.06 - 8:59 pm | #

Muslim propadagandist? I don't see it.
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 8:59 pm | #

Hi Sphinx!
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:00 pm | #

TWISTED CON LOGIC

2800 Americas killed on 911.
Why thats terrible. We need to start 3 wars and tear up the Constitution and record everyones Phone Calls and change our entire American Way of Life!

2800 Americans killed in Iraq.
So whats the big deal? People get shot everyday. Many people are killed by lawn darts every year or stray golf balls. Nothing to get your Liberal panties is a twist about.
The Angry Hobbit | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:00 pm | #

I love Randi - ON THE RADIO. You remember McLuhan? TV is a cool medium and her stridency and loudness, which work on the radio, come across on the TV as
overwhelming and shrieky. I would have loved to just Ed Schultz alone, who does his rants so articulately and effectively, go against the "they're evil and we're good" Prick Prager and pull him off of that
five hundred mile-high horse of his.
And I knew Randi played right into Prager's hands by answering one of his cheap zinger questions: "Do you think the people we're fighting over there are EVIL? " She gave him his entire show on Monday by reinforcing his idea that the "Left" keeps evil in place by not destroying it as it happens.
Just handed it to that prick. Schultz probably would have handled that better by not playing in Prager's court and not LETTING THE RIGHT-WING FRAME THE FUCKING ARGUMENT. I've seen Randi do far better than this. But Christ, she did look SEXY!
Wildthumb | 05.13.06 - 9:02 pm | #

"if what were doing in Iraq is so wrong, wheres all the protests in the middle east??.." Hey dumb ass, the insurgency IS a protest against what they see as an occupying army
VP | 05.13.06 - 9:03 pm | #

He shows you a web page with population figures and that makes him a muslim propagandist? Can you explain that statement?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:58 pm

Muslim propadagandist? I don't see it.
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 8:59 pm

You're expecting a right winger to attack the argument when they would much rather attack the person?

I would think the two of you know that Right Wingers always attack the person, not the arguement, by now.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:03 pm | #

The Angry Hobbit | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:00 pm | #

Depends on whose panties. If we are going to use the deaths of Americans to grasp for totalitarian control of the country we all need to get upset and freaked out!

If we throw away lives in the pursuit of power and profit may i remind you that there is a big sale on SUV's this week?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:04 pm | #

x, babe, I can't leave comment on your awesome site..oh, nevermind I guess the connection is just slower than molasses.
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:05 pm | #

X!!
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:05 pm | #

Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:03 pm | #

We know that, no reason not to challenge them though.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:06 pm | #

sphinx, you got mail!
lafin gas | 05.13.06 - 9:06 pm | #

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/ 1022_031022_islamdiversity.html

Well I found the article, and I made a mistake, it was a 2003 Article and I'm a tad Rusty, it says there are 1.3 Billion Muslims, approximately 1/5th or 20% of the Worlds Population.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:07 pm | #

People seem to be hung up on Randi Rhodes "shrieking". What was she supposed to do? That stupid little puke wouldn't shut the fuck up for a minute and let her make her point.
GENE214 | 05.13.06 - 9:07 pm | #

xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:56 pm

The neo-con answer is that the potential terrorists have all gone to Iraq.

My guess is that our Muslims have all seen or heard of the Tony Shalhoub film "The Seige."

Most liberal estimates I've seen are in the 2-3 million range for American Muslims. But as there are about three million Jews in the US some of the Islamic groups have been thought to arbitrarily double or triple the number of estimated Muslims in their "surveys."
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:07 pm | #

Downtown, maybe I came in a little late on the argument. Please englighten me as to how or why you are being called a Muslim propagandist? I don't see you that way.
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:08 pm | #

The fact that you think "The Deerhunter" was the first movie about the horrors of war just reinforces the fact that you are ignorant and unschooled in the cinema as well as in world history. There were actually antiwar movies made in the silent era before WWI.

The 1927 classic "Wings" with Charles "Buddy" Rodgers in his classic death scene with Jack Powell was the first film that came to my mind. It would be too "gay" for a horses's ass like yourself to appreciate. I was born a republican in Ike's administration and remember well the election of 1964.

Republicans were real fiscal consevatives then that believed in the Bill of rights. Barry Goldwater would have denounced the current bunch of free-spending fascist punks for what they are. "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" has no meaning to a dolt that doesn't even know what liberty is and is willing to give it up to have uncle W protect his chickenshit ass from the "terrists."
grandpa | 05.13.06 - 9:09 pm | #

Ten million muslims in the US and not one car bombing. Kinda makes you wonder if these folks are worth hating after all, don't it?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 8:56 pm

Everybody gives that Guy who tried to run over the people at UNC a free pass.

http:// news.nationalgeographic.c...mdiversity.html

Don't know what I did wrong on the link before about Islam Article from NG
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:09 pm | #

Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:07 pm | #

There are more Muslims in the US than Jews.

Still no car bombs. They are very restrained. Or maybe they are are not as nuts as our right wing "Christian" friends here. McVey was into them.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:10 pm | #

Vet, that's quite a stretch to assume that all Muslims have seen "The Seige." Project much?

Oh, and there are about five to six million Jews in the U.S as compared to about 1 million Muslims.
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:10 pm | #

Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:07 pm

Thanks for the correction. My apologies for the presumption.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:10 pm | #

As long as G. Gordon Liddy, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Mark Fuhrman, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Oliver North, Rush Limbaugh, Phyllis Schlafly, Michael Savage, Michelle Malkin, and the mouth-breathers at Free Republic and Little Green Footballs are part of the debate, there is no shame to being a batshitcrazy, Ann-Marie-lookin', shout-for-shout Bitch like Randi Rhodes.

You don't "make nice" with evil; you go toe-to-toe with it and if you're uncomfortable with her IGNORE HER! She's doing something you should be doing yourself.
MacDaffy | 05.13.06 - 9:10 pm | #

I was trying to organize some Athiests to spread the word but noone will come to my "church." Shame really.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:12 pm | #

sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:10 pm

I didn't say they'd all seen it. But lets face it, American Muslims were under a lot more pressure after 9/11 than the rest of us.

If we feel violated by all the Bush Administration intrusiveness, I can only imagine their level of concern.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:12 pm | #

sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:10 pm | #

Ten Million Muslims.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:12 pm | #

Downtown, maybe I came in a little late on the argument. Please englighten me as to how or why you are being called a Muslim propagandist? I don't see you that way.
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:08 pm

I recalled reading an article, and from memory it said that about 1/2 the worlds population was Muslim.

I've since found the article and admited an Error, approximately 1/5th of the worlds population is Muslim according to the article.

I had a slight earlier conversation about a population correction that George Bush seems intent upon, and my response was that there were a lot of muslims in the world, and for that I was called a Muslim Propogandist.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:13 pm | #

Please get the rest of this interview and post it. Randi was awesome
Linda | 05.13.06 - 9:13 pm | #

>I refuse to support war

Exactly. These chickenhawks do support the war. They refuse to serve in military during a war they support. You, on the other hand, do not support the war. Your not serving in the military during a war that you don't support makes sense. Their not serving during a war they support means they re making an active decision to refuse to serve in a war they support.

I have nothing against anyone who didn't serve in Vietnam as long as they fucking flat out say "I didn't believe the war was right." I have never heard Bill Clinton or Dick Cheney or anyone else say they wouldn't go to Vietnam because they thought the war was wrong. Which leaves me to believe they didn't act out of conviction or principle, they acted out of fear. That sucks. Bill Clinton should have flat out said "I asked for a deferment because I thought the war was wrong."

Dick Cheney.. well, who cares?
900 FOOT JESUS | 05.13.06 - 9:14 pm | #

American Muslims Role in the Political Process

http://www.masnet.org/views.asp?id=960
bandit | 05.13.06 - 9:16 pm | #

900 FOOT JESUS | 05.13.06 - 9:14 pm | #

I did not say that to undercut your argument. I said that to be very clear about where i stand.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:16 pm | #

Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:07 pm

Thanks for the correction. My apologies for the presumption.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:10 pm

Appology Accepted, I recant the Nazi Hatemonger comment.

Perhaps you can in the future question the facts, ask a person to double check.

Most the time I have pretty good memory recall, but I have no problem double checking things.

That would be four mistakes I've made so far this year and it's only mid May!
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:17 pm | #

My friends,

Can someone please provide a link to the American populations broken down by religion? Xoites?

Downtown, thanks for the info.
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:18 pm | #

After enduring years of shrill, smug, spewing, spitting, sneering, smearing and jeering fascist hyenas, I say it's about time they got it back. It's the ONLY thing these overfed, over privileged, over opinionated, over hateful rhetorical prestidigitators understand.

I am no longer enduring these entitled acting, morally relativist, bourgeois GOP crackers. Are we supposed be doormats until they start putting us behind razor wire?

That miserable chickhawk eunuch loves his effing Chimp's war, then HE SHOULD BE OVER THERE. After serving, let him come back and try to blame the left for his side's incompetence.

Until then, clean his clock Randi! Wrap him up and let him choke on his own false witness and shame him for his COWARDICE.

As for “being better” than them? Bullshit! I want them vanquished. They can have that big, fake dung pile known as the high moral ground. May they slowly struggle, sink and disappear into it NEVER to plague America again.
TF-MA | 05.13.06 - 9:18 pm | #

VET,

I was roomates with an Arab in NYC who has lived in the US for 23 years and after 9-11 he was told by his lawyer to not travel (even inside the country) due to fear of deportation. He and a lot of his friends are against this war for obvious reasons and while none of them liked Saddam - I am sad to say that every prediction they made about the fallout from the war has come true. I wish our administration had taken the time to talk to an arab before assuming they knew how we would be greeted there.
Stupid Git | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:18 pm | #

I already apologised to you Downtown, but the fact is you more than doubled the worlds actual muslim population in your post when the real numbers were readily available.

And xiotes continues to parrot the 10 million US muslim exageration.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:19 pm | #

Okay, the fact that this little snot looks like Sean Astin in Rudy aside, you can bet your ass that if the Yankees had some use for him in uniform, he'd be there.
KRank | 05.13.06 - 9:19 pm | #

A Snapshot of American Jewry Today

http://judaism.about.com/ library...bl_njps2000.htm
watchtower | 05.13.06 - 9:20 pm | #

I remember a time in the not too distant past when it was Republicans in general who were railing on about the dangers of an all powerful Federal Government.

The Republican Far Right pointed to Waco and Ruby Ridge as proof of Government power run amuck, and they were right.
G. Gordon Liddy called Federal Agents "Jackbooted Thugs". Jesse Helms warned Clinton not to come to North Carolina without National Guard protection.

The Government has only increased it intrusive powers over the years: Clinton's Anti-Terrorist bill - thankfully watered down by Republicans -, and the Orwellian named USA PATRIOT act - which was passed without a chance for any member of Congress to even read it - to are just two examples.
Both of these bills were passed after "Terrorist" attacks BTW.

Republicans in general, and true Conservatives were against the Clinton bill, and rightly so, but most of them now defend the USA PATRIOT act.

It is not your average Republicans or Democrats that are a threat to Democracy in this country, it's the Corporate ownership of Republicans and Democrats in the Senate, along with the Corporate media, who cover up corruption in high places, encourage militarism and war, and promote division among the American people.

Have you ever noticed when a person starts to unite the American people they get their head blown off? It's no accident, it's a tactic.

As someone said earlier regarding the word Fascistic, "... it is an Italian word".
Yes it is and, - I know you've seen this before but it can not be emphasized enough - Benito Mussolini defined it thusly: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."

Corporatism is a big part of what keep us uninformed in this country, and at each others' throats instead of united and at their's.
DanInAlabama | 05.13.06 - 9:21 pm | #

sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:18 pm

These look about right to me but its slightly older data.

http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:22 pm | #

sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:18 pm | #

I am getting conflicting info here. I heard on NPR that Muslims outnumbered Jews. Downtown just showed me a site that said there were ten million in 1998 and now i have looked at three sites that say one million.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:23 pm | #

All one can say to you Randi bashers is "fuck you". The right-wing Republicans have been kicking the shit out of liberals on US TV for years, ever since Reagan. Liberals on US TV have been Wimps for 2 decades, and now when Randi Rhodes finds herself on CNN with such an ignorant, snotnosed, sheltered little mamma's boy spouting right-wing talking points, you criticize Rhodes for being "rude". Even if she is rude, so the fuck what? After 2 decades of rude, obnoxious, ignorant right-wingers, with OxyRush, Falafel, and Parrot Hannity still on the air, it's about time that liberal America had 1 verbal bomb-thrower to go up against these right-wing fuckheads. Fuck that little Ben Wa Boy, what a complete asshole he is. I'm glad Randi put that little snotnose in his place. Fuck him. And all these stupid ass liberals who worry about appearances should get a grip or go fuck yourselves. It's pathetic how easy it is for American right-wingers to cow liberals with right-wing authoritarianism. In the America of today liberals just cave right in to right-wing authoritarians with nothing but whimpers and weakness.

Say what you want about Randi Rhodes, at least she doesn't cave in to right-wing authoritarianism and is not a DLC wimp. Fuck all you wimps. You are why the Democratic Party allows elections to be stolen. Fuck you! Fuck you, DLC wimps!
impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 9:24 pm | #

Number of Muslims in the United States

http://www.adherents.com/ largeco..._islam_usa.html

American Muslim Population Figures are Inflated

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary..../ muslimpop.html

American Muslim Poll

http://www.projectmaps.com/pmrep...m%20population'
watchtower | 05.13.06 - 9:24 pm | #

Hey Che? You know what sort of extra gene , knuckle dragging right-wing chicken hawk uses the term "moonbat"? Why the followers of mushbrain Michelle Malkin thats who!

Also your moniker represents a prick who abused women, decieved his followers, and in general was not the kind of hero many in my generation made him out to be. No, not George Bush, but Che Guevera. So take a hike Che your a worthless piece of dung.
Donnygull | 05.13.06 - 9:25 pm | #

Clowns like Che lost any and all credibility when he chose to lambaste Randi's debating style. What ?! Has he seen how the Limbaughs and O'Reillys of right-wing radio handle guests or callers with opposing opinions ? Limbaugh, rarely has dissenting opinions, so let's dismiss him right off the bat (I wonder why ?). O'Reilly not only talks over his guests when they're placing his warped right-wing views on their ear, but also talks over them, changes the subject when the Right starts to look bad, cuts them off, and lowers their microphone. Not only that, he pretapes segments when he fears a guest, such as when Bill Maher appears. Geez, I wonder why that fraud Dennis Prager didn't challenge Randi, or why he would want Randi on his show ? Me thinks he simply wants to control the setting, which is all that the cowardly Righties seem do know how to do.
Bluestater | 05.13.06 - 9:26 pm | #

Randi can be grating at times, but she's awesome.

The other poster was right...as long as mAnn Coulter is still walking around on her chicken legs, saying hateful things about America, and New York..Randi has every right...even a duty to yell, scream, bitch the truth.
JoshDestardi | 05.13.06 - 9:27 pm | #

Number of Muslims in the world:
Estimates of the total number of Muslims in the world vary greatly:

0.700 billion or more, Barnes & Noble Encyclopedia 1993
0.817 billion, The Universal Almanac (1996)
0.951 billion, The Cambridge Factfinder (1993)
1.100 billion, The World Almanac (1997)
1.200 billion, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic relations)

At a level of 1.2 billion, they represent about 22% of the world's population. They are the second largest religion in the world. Only Christianity is larger, with 33% of the world's inhabitants.

Islam is growing about 2.9% per year. This is faster than the total world population which increases about 2.3% annually. It is thus attracting a progressively larger percentage of the world's population.

Number of Muslims in the U.S.
Nobody knows.

http://www.religioustolerance.or...rg/ isl_numb.htm
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:27 pm | #

Xoites, my friend. It's hard to sort through. Always consider the source as much as you can research about it. I have taken classes on this and the result I have been taught and come up with on my research is that there are 5-6milion Jews and around 1 million Muslims.

You may be right but my clases were very well researched and we did a lot of studies on American demographics.

Peace to ya!
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:27 pm | #

RE: the Iraqi's

Uh, do you mean the number of Iraqi's killed? Or too include the civilian population of Bagdhad?

It looks like Bagdhad is about 6.93 million.

Since the favorite neo con trick is to quote them the US deaths, I only include them.

BUT if we have to include the full population of Baghdad, AND the Iraqi fatalities...oh geez, forget it, that is sure as hell not going to make the case that there were more death in LA than in Baghdad.

How many Iraqis have died in the last 3 years? Just in Baghdad alone?
5,000 every year? 10,000 every year? We probably have no idea, since we keep finding graves and rooms full of people 30 and 40 at a time that have been blindfolded and shot in the head.

So even if you count all of baghdad, you have to throw in the the civilian deaths also then, and that is going to make it many many many times worse than living in LA.

If I could find a number out there with any backup to it, I will do that calculation as well based on the 6.3 population number.

But I bet the number is easily 20,000 or 30,000.

Also for the numbers of US population -
www.census.gov

Roughly 300,000,000 million in the US.

Yes we are WAY the minority as far as Muslims go. Its 3 or 4 against one, depending on whose numbers you belive.
Intenzity | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:28 pm | #

Also as far as Randy shreiking..

Um, for a girl from the way in Queens...uh, she is freaking high society man when she talks.

Come on, no one has met anyone from Queens before??

Not to stereotype, but there is a bit of truth to that.
Intenzity | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:31 pm | #

yep..its so dangerous in IRAQ, that on election day, 70 percent of a population of 25 million dressed in their best clothes and WALKED...I MEAN WALKED to go and vote!!!..evn though this fat ass Zarqawi dude threatened to kill em all..the dude in his american tennis shoes and cant fire his american weapon!!...yeah, boy, hes really got em scared over there...you guys should be ashamed of yourselves..such cowardice in america!!...embarrassing
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 8:17 pm | #

-25 million voted and yet they have no government.

--The insurgents were too busy voting to blow up anyone on election day. They had to make sure their interests were well represented in the supposed new government.

-Your punk ass is letting innocent Iraqi men, women and children and American soldiers die because you don’t want “to fight them over here.”
Nat | 05.13.06 - 9:31 pm | #

Go Randi Go! You just go girlfriend! Air America Rules! Randi Rules! And not least of all, Mike Malloy of Air America Rules! Mike Malloy could reduce that little boy Ben to a simpering little baby right on the air. They wouldn't even dare to put Mike Malloy on there. He'd have ripped that little shit a new rectum and then some. Fuck you, right-wingers! Way to go Mike Malloy and Randi Rhodes and Air America Radio!
impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 9:31 pm | #

I love the fact that Randi actually served in the military and knows her shit.

The chickenhawk punk didn't have a snowball's chance debating her.
hh | 05.13.06 - 9:31 pm | #

sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:27 pm | #

I stand corrected. Would not surprise me if a lot of Muslims in the US would rather not say right now.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:31 pm | #

I am no longer enduring these entitled acting, morally relativist, bourgeois GOP crackers. Are we supposed be doormats until they start putting us behind razor wire?
TF-MA | 05.13.06 - 9:18 pm

Before Bush was ever elected I thought it was possible to have reasoned discussion with pretty much anyone.

I spoke about how I didn't believe anyone with a resonable intellect would or could support George Bush because of his and his families history.

Prescott Bush helping the Nazis.
George H. W. Bush helping the Iranians, Arms for Hostages.
Neil Bush S&L Scandal.
George W. Bush deserter, etc..

I was resoundly attacked by Right Wingers, there was no discussion, I was attacked as un-patriotic, Un-American, hateful, etc..

They said I was either with them or against them.

I couldn't be with them.

Before George W. Bush was elected I was sure he was going to go to war with Iraq.

I agree Right Wingers should be treated with the same smug contempt that they have treated anyone who has spoken out against their Fascist agenda.

The Bush adminstration is the most corrupt, criminal, disloyal, traitours administration in U.S. history.

They used an American Tragedy as a pretense for an illegal, immoral war.
They committed treason in an attempt to discredit a critic of their illegal immoral war.
They have squandered trillions of dollars and bankrupted the nation.

Anyone who defends the the Bush Administration condones treason and is unpatriotic.

Anyone who claims that you have to Support the President and Support the War in Iraq to Support the Troops is either ignorant or a hypocrite.

You don't have to support the President or the Iraq war to support the troops.

Supporting the troops means you want them to die comfortably in their beds of old age and be remembered fondly by their grand children. If our troops must be sent into harms way, the reasons must be so transparent as to beyond question. When they are sent into harms way, they should be unleashed in a manner that would give pause to any groups who would think of causing injury to our nation. The safe guards for our troops should be a national concern, not a budgetary concern,nor a matter of minor concern. If we needed 300,000 troops to secure Iraq, we needed to send in another 300,000 troops to secure the troops who were securing Iraq.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and while our government has woefully entagled us in Iraq, the Taliban and Al Queda have began to regain Afghanistan.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:32 pm | #

One thing I can say for sure is that the Muslim population from Pakistan to the Middle East to Indonesia eploding. The are the fastest growing demographic out there by far. They tend to be full of disenfrachised and unemployed youth who are angry as hell.

Our current policy is exacerbating their rage tenfold and that is an understatement. Google Islam. It's an eye opener.

And I must say that Ronald Reagen's CIA black ops in Afghanistan didn't help us a lot with the advent of the fanatical Madrassas.
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:32 pm | #

ftrwdr --

Last I was tested, my IQ was 143 -- high enough for ya? And yes, of course I watched the whole show.

But I get it now -- with your "goodness gracious" --

You are Janet Parshalls!

Nice try, right-winger. Add about another 100 IQ points before you try again.
Shell | 05.13.06 - 9:32 pm | #

x! I loves you, mistah!!!!!!!!!!!
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:33 pm | #

CD

she was taliking about people who could do more than eat drink and ellimanate.
ralph | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:34 pm | #

xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:27 pm

If the world population is 6.5 billion and 1.2 billion are muslims that's 18 percent not 22 percent.

Saying no one knows how many US muslims there are after all the other poster data concedes that Islamic propagandists have muddied the waters with their claims that there are two to three times as many muslims as jews in the US.

Might as well agree with Islamic Theologans that the Koran was written before all the other religious books in the world...in the mind of God.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:36 pm | #

Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:36 pm | #

NPR is a front for the Muslims?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:38 pm | #

xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:31 pm

Didn't see this post. Things sure are moving quickly for a Saturday night.

Cheers.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:38 pm | #

And i never mentioned percentages.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:38 pm | #

impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 9:24 pm |

Well said, ITC. It's what I should have said upstream. Yeah, presenting all views, being polite and trying to be civil matters to the right when it comes to debate.

Bluestater | 05.13.06 - 9:39 pm | #

Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:38 pm | #

Well, a few more beers and i may slow down. Or speed up. I can never predict.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:40 pm | #

Sphinx, you go with your bad self. People, study the CIA and madrassas. Do it NOW.
bandit | 05.13.06 - 9:40 pm | #

sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:33 pm | #

I love you too.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:41 pm | #

recant

One entry found for recant.

Main Entry: re·cant
Pronunciation: ri-'kant
Function: verb
Etymology: Latin recantare, from re- + cantare to sing -- more at CHANT
transitive senses
1 : to withdraw or repudiate (a statement or belief) formally and publicly : RENOUNCE
2 : REVOKE
intransitive senses : to make an open confession of error
synonym see ABJURE
- re·can·ta·tion /"rE-"kan-'tA-sh&n/ noun
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:41 pm | #

Vet, I think it's unanimous. Too many shrooms in your peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:42 pm | #

Karl Rove Indicted..
PoliShifter | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:43 pm | #

xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:38 pm

Honestly.
I think we're screwed.
People are so afraid of Muslim extremists that the subject causes the heebeejeebees.

And as Sphinx says the Islamic demographic is expanding rapidly

Young angry Muslim men who hate everything the West stands for, beginning with the emancipation of women, are standing unemployed, and disenfranchised, on the street corners of the Arab world.

This from Nuclear Pakistan yesterday:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south...sia/ 4768615.stm
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:43 pm | #

sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:42 pm |

So? It's Saturday Night.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:44 pm | #

BIG FAT SCOOP

Washington Post "Fixes the Polls" for Bush by "Fixing the Questions" --
A BuzzFlash Editorial

http://www.buzzflash.com/index.p...hp? story=Story2
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:44 pm | #

I already apologised to you Downtown
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:19 pm

Appology Accepted, I recant the Nazi Hatemonger comment.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:17 pm

RECANT
Main Entry: re·cant
Pronunciation: ri-'kant
Function: verb
Etymology: Latin recantare, from re- + cantare to sing -- more at CHANT
transitive senses
1 : to withdraw or repudiate (a statement or belief) formally and publicly : RENOUNCE
2 : REVOKE
intransitive senses : to make an open confession of error
synonym see ABJURE
- re·can·ta·tion /"rE-"kan-'tA-sh&n/ noun
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:45 pm | #

PoliShifter | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:43 pm | #

I am seeing this in the blogs but nowhere in the Corporate Press.

Either it has not yet happened and the blogs are jumping the gun or the Corporate Press is being very careful and awaiting confirmation.

Right now i am witholding judgement. (Not to mention my breath, my happy dance and my phone calls.)
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:46 pm | #

Fuck 'em, fuck 'em, fuck 'em. Fuck the right-wingers. Way to go Randi!
impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 9:47 pm | #

Only arguments right has that if a person points out that Iraq war is wrong and we aren't winning, they simply state that person isn't supporting the troops and that person is a traitor. They are too busy attacking anyone who raises issues that requires addressing and fast. Republicans and this Administration only knows how to attack to keep everyone else busy while they go about making money and staying in power and position of influence.
They do not have any knowledge or forsight to fix things or even carry out simple task efficiently and effectively. Only affectiveness I see them is wasting time and money to attack liberals and american public and not the terrorists they claim. Only terrorist they care about are the ones in our imagination. Real terrorists must remain out there to cause little havoc so they can fuel our fears.

I am tired of this criminal republicans but I am even more dispointed in American public and the media to keep fueling hatred among us so that we can't see clearly. I don't see us worth saving anymore if we continue like this.

This 24 year-old Ferguson is a sad example of many today's younger generation.

I like Randy Rhodes performance. There were many liberals who performed in calm and intelligent manner and came out superior. But in the end, it doesn't affect today's simple-minded Americans. Randy Rhodes probably tried to be reasonal and calm methods before but she also knows that republicans don't think this way. They only see fearmongering to win whatever debate they may be in. She by trying to drownout this little man is only way to do it.

I'm sick of us.
I need a long vacation from so many criminal activities. This administration criminal activities are far more harmful than an ordinary murder case. Enron executives criminal activity taking down entire company and affecting so many lives. These people should be given stronger punishment.

I thinking of moving to China. At least they don't claim land of the free and home of the brave.
napu | 05.13.06 - 9:48 pm | #

Yeah, I keep watching AP/UPI,CNN Etc. for news confirming the Idictment.

Where's the Treason Indictement, the Identity of a Covert Operative who was seeking to protect the United States from WMDs was revealed for Partisian Political reasons by two members of the White House Staff.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:48 pm | #

Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:43 pm | #

We need to hold peace talks. Ok, let me back up. We need to get rid of this administration. Then we need to hold peace talks.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:48 pm | #

Well, nothing wrong with a little shrooming but you are twising my words, there bud. Why don't you go out and lay on the grass and contemplate the woods and the stars and the infinite beauty of nature.
sphinx | 05.13.06 - 9:49 pm | #

Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:45 pm

Too bad we can't all just recant this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...sia/ 4927914.stm
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:49 pm | #

Impeachthechimp --

BRAVO! (I am still laughing over "Ben Wa Boy.")
Shell | 05.13.06 - 9:50 pm | #

during a time of war.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:50 pm | #

jesus christ you people are sick,because he supports the troops doesnt mean he has to serve.fuck that cunt!
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 9:52 pm | #

Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:50 pm | #

I just realized who you were when i went to your homepage. I am still patiently waiting for an article from you.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:54 pm | #

Okay, the fact that this little snot looks like Sean Astin in Rudy aside, you can bet your ass that if the Yankees had some use for him in uniform, he'd be there.
KRank | 05.13.06 - 9:54 pm | #

Here is the model for our times!!! VIVA CHAVEZ

Chavez Plans Cheap Oil for Europe's Poor

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ 20060...venezuela_oil_1
bandit | 05.13.06 - 9:54 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 9:52 pm | #

Probably the most intelligent thing you have said in weeks. Who feeds you?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:55 pm | #

And I agree with impeachthechimp on something else -- I like one talk show host more than Randi -- Mike Malloy.

OMG. Those little boys would NEVER go on a show with Mike! You are correct -- Mike would carve them up.
Shell | 05.13.06 - 9:57 pm | #

Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 9:52 pm

I call that the chickenshit statement.

By the way C&L, it's not Randi and the Chicken Hawk, it's Randi and the Peep Hawk.
Vet | 05.13.06 - 9:58 pm | #

Ok, if that was too obscure and viscious a put down i appoligize. Not to you Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 9:52 pm | # but to everyone else.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:59 pm | #

O/T
If this is true...oh boy!!!

TruthOut.org is reporting that KKKarl Rove will be indicted!
sgt. Hulka | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 9:59 pm | #

What is this 1964? With the Beatles- and-Jane-Asher haircuts on view in that clip, it's me at my grandma's house waiting to watch the Ed Sullivan Show all over again.
Swingin' 60s | 05.13.06 - 9:59 pm | #

napu | 05.13.06 - 9:48 pm

Better have a job waiting for you or bring lots of money.

The Chinese won't take you without either.
World traveler | 05.13.06 - 10:00 pm | #

chiken hawk punk bitch talk shit but his candy ass won't serve one day
criminal government | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:00 pm | #

We need a Republican draft. Start in the most Republican districts with the list of registered Republicans or their children. Start drafting those people until the military is filled with enough people to get the job done.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 10:01 pm | #

Ed Sulivan would be nice for a change.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:01 pm | #

If you trolls are this shrill when Bush is at 29%....

what are you going to sound like when he gets into Cheney's territory? (below 19%)
Nancy Richardson | 05.13.06 - 10:02 pm | #

I don't care whether she's on the radio or tv, Randi is awesome. She's meticulous about her research, can speak from experience about the military and she never backs down. She speaks the truth and that's all that matters. Her style? Who cares???

I hope Karl goes down hard.....

http://thoughts-from-a-flyover-s...e.blogspot.com/
MrEMan | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:02 pm | #

xoites,

Since when are there 10 million Muslims in the US?

As of 2001, 0.6% of US Census respondents were Muslim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Dem...e_United_States
http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/ r...ey_findings.htm

The population as of 2006 is 298,444,215.

Even if we assume that in the last 5 years the percentage of US Muslims has grown to 1% of the total American population, that's still just under 3 million Muslims (precisely 2,984,442).

No reputable source has ever claimed there are 10 million Muslims. Only Islamic organizations and special interest groups have made that claim.
Andy2 | 05.13.06 - 10:03 pm | #

Hi E!
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:03 pm | #

Nancy Richardson | 05.13.06 - 10:02 pm

It will sound something like the trilling of Republicans over the Clinton impeachment.

By the way, apart from the certainty of Karl Rove being indicted in the scandal over the disclosure of an active CIA agents identity,
GM announced today that the H1 Hummer, which gets about 10 miles to the gallon, is being discontinued as a civilian vehicle.
Democrat | 05.13.06 - 10:06 pm | #

during a time of war.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:06 pm | #

"jesus christ you people are sick,because he supports the troops doesnt mean he has to serve.fuck that cunt!
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 9:52 pm | #

Anonymous- go fuck yourself. Anybody who truly believes in the Iraq war should be willing to have their son and daughter go to Iraq. When a woman speaks passionately about the truth you call her a bitch. Randi has more balls then anyone here.
mudpuppy | 05.13.06 - 10:07 pm | #

Andy2 | 05.13.06 - 10:03 pm | #

You will have to read through the rest of the thread to see how i came to that conclusion based on conflicting info. Now i doubt it but i still don't know the the real answer.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:07 pm | #

I just realized who you were when i went to your homepage. I am still patiently waiting for an article from you.
xoites defends Constitution

You can use the one that's posted on Bluenovember, I was going to foreward it to you as well, but had no Contact Info.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:09 pm | #

Sorry Mudpuppy...I know for a fact that I for one have more testicular mass then Randi...even tho I love her...
rduke | 05.13.06 - 10:09 pm | #

Sgt. Hulka !! Yes I saw that on Truthout! The stake has just been driven into the heart of the G.O.p. midterm elections.
Daisy in the Gun | 05.13.06 - 10:09 pm | #

i want to go to Iraq so i can play with there guns hahhahahahahaaa
Anonymous | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:09 pm | #

Did this idiot just try to draw a paralell between playing a baseball game and being sent off to die in a foreign land.
EdHead | 05.13.06 - 10:11 pm | #

jesus christ you people are sick,because he supports the troops doesnt mean he has to serve.fuck that cunt!
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 9:52 pm

Jesus Christ, just because we don't want the troops do die in an illegal, Immoral war, doesn't mean we don't support the troops.

Just because we think the President is a corrupt, lying, thieving dickhead who got us into a war in Iraq to serve the interests of his family, his cronies, and his business partners, doesn't mean we don't support the troops.

Oh, and Randi Rhodes did serve in the U.S. Air Force, she was a Captain.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:12 pm | #

The real answer is probably about 2.9 million as of 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Dem...e_United_States
http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/ r...ey_findings.htm

Also,

http://www.post-gazette.com/ head...slimsnat7p7.asp
http://www.adherents.com/ largeco..._islam_usa.html
http://www.answers.com/topic/isl...e-united- states

No reputable organization has ever made an ESTIMATE (and I STRESS estimate) over about 5.8 million (including children).
Andy2 | 05.13.06 - 10:13 pm | #

Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:09 pm | #

xoites@gmail.com
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:13 pm | #

"jesus christ you people are sick,because he supports the troops doesnt mean he has to serve."

Ferguson supports the imperialist policy of illegal preemptive war and occupation of a foreign land. Nation building!

I swear, you nincompoops will never be able to wrap your feable minds around the difference between supporting the troops and supporting the policy that put them in harms way.

One can support and love the men and women in uniform and at the same time dispise the deceiving manipulative bastards that lied them into war.

Can you make the differentiation? It's really not a far drive, just right around the corner from distinction.
Zman | 05.13.06 - 10:14 pm | #

no young man of military age has a right to say anything about this war unless he is ready to enlist These chicken hawks get the best military jobs anyway. This one only has the nerve to talk about liberals
Necadawg | 05.13.06 - 10:14 pm | #

Who is that little punk?

God, if anyone looked like he deserved to have his head flushed in a toilet, it's that miserable little puke.

Actually, most young conservatives are like that.
Bush Bites

When you do the toilet flush, can you add Ken Mehlmann please? I can't think of anyone who deserves it more.
Gary | 05.13.06 - 10:15 pm | #

Andy2 | 05.13.06 - 10:13 pm | #

Really? That tears it, NPR is a joke. I was thinking they were but now i am convinced.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:16 pm | #

Wazzup Xoites?

I don't know how many Muslims there are in the US, but I know for sure that the wingnut war on "brown people" is just heating up.

The prez is supposed to give a big, primetime speech on Monday concerning immigration. If immigration is going to be the big distraction from the possible Rove indictment, the NSA bombshell that's supposed to come out and all the other scandals, it's not going to work.
MrEMan | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:16 pm | #

"no young man of military age has a right to say anything about this war unless he is ready to enlist"

Necadawg, I suppose that means those not willing to enlist are not entitled to criticize the war either?
yt | 05.13.06 - 10:16 pm | #

That putz looks like a total pussy in a suit two sizes too big for his sissy ass. Someone should tell him that shoulder pads went out of style a long while back.
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 10:16 pm | #

For people who think Rhodes is batshit crazy, she isn't. Haven't you noticed that all radio talk show hosts yell? I think it's a pre-requisit for the job.
Anyway, Ben Ferguson is a vile little punk. I remember when I first saw him on Larry King 4 or 5 years ago, I thought he was just a mixed-up kid. Now I think he's a full grown douche bag.
Gary | 05.13.06 - 10:19 pm | #

MrEMan | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:16 pm | #

That would cover the Neocon Motto: "Deflect, Distract and Deploy."
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:20 pm | #

My 24 year old daughter is doing her second tour in Iraq. She does it because she loves her job and she's good at it and she has incredible loyalty to her trrops. She hates this war and she hates Bush. Anyone of inlistment age that supports this war either needs to enlist or explain why they are cowards.
Casper | 05.13.06 - 10:21 pm | #

yt,
See nincompoops above.
Zman | 05.13.06 - 10:22 pm | #

Gary | 05.13.06 - 10:19 pm | #

Actually, here is one who does not yell and reads every author's book before interviewing. You can listen to some of his shows to find out what a real talk show should sound like.

http://www.wypr.org/M_Steiner.html
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:23 pm | #

Got caught in a Refresh, Resend of a previous post.

Sorry.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:24 pm | #

Casper | 05.13.06 - 10:21 pm | #

I hope she and all her friends make it back in one piece.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:24 pm | #

GO Randi! Unnerve the bastards!
Brent | 05.13.06 - 10:25 pm | #

Randi is Da Bomb-I always want to crawl throught my computer screen and kick some serious punk ass when I see these brain dead right wingers talk about ignorantly supporting a war that is based solely on lies and the massaging of a very small mans ego so he can appear presifuckingdential. Cut to the chase-this fuck is supporting soldiers and civilians getting killed for absolutely no purpose-a noble cause indeed-If they won't go fight-for no reason-they have no leg, no platform from which to spout their bullshit
fues | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:26 pm | #

Let me say this again...for perhaps the 20th time:

There is no such thing as an Iraq War.
We are not at war with Iraq.
The US invaded the sovereign country of Iraq for the stated purpose of removing that country's leader and the US now occupies the country of Iraq.
Neither the government nor the people of Iraq are our enemy.

STOP USING THE TERMINOLOGY OF THIS ADMINISTRATION

And, yeah, randi rocs
mirth | 05.13.06 - 10:27 pm | #

i have one word for that pretty "boy". we call boys like him (in the marine corp)"candy ass"
burt hulbert | 05.13.06 - 10:27 pm | #

Casper - my thoughts are with you, your daughter and every single American who is in harm's way right now. Don't listen to anyone who tells you that it's impossible to be against the war and for the troops. That little bit of (bats**t crazy) neocon propaganda is long dead.
MrEMan | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:27 pm | #

xoites
Thanks. It drives me crazy when Bush supporters accuse those that oppose him of not supporting the troops. I just want them all to come home safely.
Casper | 05.13.06 - 10:28 pm | #

Me too.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:29 pm | #

In ref to: "jesus christ you people are sick,because he supports the troops doesnt mean he has to serve.fuck that cunt! "
Then the damned little punk shouldn't come out as if he is talking for the ones of us that are serving at this time. Put he hell up or just shut da fuck up. Support means just what the hell it says .... SUPPORT = BOOTS ON THE GROUND ... NOT A BUNCH OF FUCKING CHEERLEADERS THAT TRY TO TALK A GOOD GAME BUT ARE TOO FUCKING PRECIOUS TO PUT IN A UNIFORM AND BACK UP THAT SHIT I KEEP HEARING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE ABOUT HOW WELL EVERYTHING IS GOING !!!
Walt | 05.13.06 - 10:32 pm | #

Yeah, that neocon 'supports the yankees'; he cracks open a beer and watches them on TV; just like the soldiers who do the fighting in Iraq. Chickenhawk.

"I have friends in Iraq....".....
Editor | 05.13.06 - 10:33 pm | #

bull froggy im sure the people bush murdered wouldnt care if the bastards who did 911 died for thier filthy calouse way they did aeay with them, that you are against the death penalty is your buisness some of of dont hold murderering bastards lives so dear,
tyree | 05.13.06 - 10:34 pm | #

Hey Shell, thanks for your support! Mike Malloy could reduce that Ben Wa Boy to a traumatized little shit. What an asshat this Ben Wa Ferguson is, OMG. He's got a Ted Koppel haircut and a OxyRush Lameballs worldview that all come together to spell "right-wing loser". What an asshole. I'm glad Randi didn't take any shit from him. What a joke they even had him on the air. Fuck these right-wingers, they are all scum!
impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 10:35 pm | #

mirth | 05.13.06 - 10:27 pm
You tell them sweet thing!
lafin gas | 05.13.06 - 10:35 pm | #

P.S. We love you Randi!!!
impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 10:36 pm | #

mirth | 05.13.06 - 10:27 pm

I see your point, yet the words invasion and occupation fail to convey the image of gunfire and explosions quite the way the word war does.
AnotherSaturdayNite | 05.13.06 - 10:36 pm

And "Democracy On the March" doesn't convey the fact that Iraq and Afghanistan have Muslim Fundamentalist Governments based on Sharia law.
Downtown | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:38 pm | #

Downtown , good point!
lafin gas | 05.13.06 - 10:41 pm | #

The problem with people like this young guy who claims to not be gifted enough to be a Yankee or cannon fodder is that he is so removed from the people he claims to support that it is all a very abstract and disjointed excersize in mental masturbation. "If we can defeat the terrorists in Iraq and get control of the Middle East we can make everyone love us and all wil be well."

Or am i wrong? Maybe he has a more cynical view. I used to be cynical but i can't keep up.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:41 pm | #

Truthout is reporting that Fitz served Rove's lawyers yesterday with an indictment for perjury and lying to investigators:

Karl Rove Indicted on Charges of Perjury, Lying to Investigators
http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/ 051306W.shtml
Laszlo Panaflex | 05.13.06 - 10:48 pm | #

X, yer OK. But this Ben Wa Boy is pathetic. The US military is desperate for people his age, but instead of enlisting he sits in a comfortable radio studio in Tennessee doing his lame-ass right-wing radio show with his typical right-wing hypocrisy. This little boy isn't even serious. It's a joke he's on the air. He's probably never even been outside of Tennessee his whole life, what a wuss.
impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 10:48 pm | #

AnotherSaturdayNite | 05.13.06 - 10:36 pm | #

By calling the INVASION and OCCUPATION of Iraq a war, you add legitimacy to the BushCo myth.

We are not in "war time" as these sonsabitches like to spew to stop dissent.

The people of Iraq are not our enemy!

Try Iraq Occupation.
That's what it is.

Hey lafin!
mirth | 05.13.06 - 10:49 pm | #

Karl Rove has been Indicted

Time to march the frog out of the White House
PoliShifter | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:50 pm | #

I really hate this kid, Ben Wa, I really hate him. Randi Rhodes could physically kick the shit out of him, he's such a wussbag. Verbally, she kicks the shit out of him also. What a little shit this Ferguson boy is. Pathetic.
impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 10:52 pm | #

Test.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:52 pm | #

Good point Mirth, one can be against the OCCUPATION, and still support the troops!
MrEMan | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:52 pm | #

impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 10:48 pm | #

I was not defending him.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:53 pm | #

Hey EMan

Correcto!
mirth | 05.13.06 - 10:54 pm | #

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the
right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.
lafin gas | 05.13.06 - 10:55 pm | #

lafin gas | 05.13.06 - 10:55 pm | #

Tempted to ask what you are refering to. Should i?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:57 pm | #

FERGUSON: And just because I support something doesn't mean I have to always go fight.

FERGUSON: I support the Yankees doesn't mean I wear their uniform.

What a stunningly stoopid thing to say in order to justify support for the WAR, the deaths of thousands of American soldiers, and probably 100,000 or so civilians.
Musk | 05.13.06 - 10:57 pm | #

xoites defends Constitution,Just something to think about as I leave for supper!
lafin gas | 05.13.06 - 10:59 pm | #

Musk | 05.13.06 - 10:57 pm | #

Never saw a Yankee at the plate without a bat or in the field without a glove.

Never saw less than 9 players on the field either.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 10:59 pm | #

lafin gas | 05.13.06 - 10:59 pm | #

I shall meditate on it.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:00 pm | #

As a proud veteran, Randi Rhodes is right. After you see punk Chickenhawks like Cheney and Bush send other people's kids to die for their mistakes then it makes you a "liberal." Ben Ferguson needs to get his PUSSY over to Iraq and fight. Either that, or shut the HELL UP!
cowboyNEOK | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:00 pm | #

cowboyNEOK:

You give good comment.
I always stop at your grav on the scroll down.

mirth | 05.13.06 - 11:04 pm | #

discussing who had the best manners? fuck you,,hows that for manners?
lornejl | 05.13.06 - 11:04 pm | #

I agree with you, Cowboy, 100%. Well said!
impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 11:05 pm | #

JA must have had a hot date tonight. He's left this "Randi kicks the straw chicken pups butt" piece way too long as the lead thread.

Site Monitor here: C&L is changing servers. It will be a little longer before John is able to put up a new post. Your patience is appreciated.

Edited By Siteowner
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 11:05 pm | #

John is changing something with his server.
He made an earlier comment that he would not be posting more for today.
mirth | 05.13.06 - 11:07 pm | #

Randi is a New Yawker. When she's having her say, you'd better check your buttons.

God love her, she jammed it so far up his arse, it came out his nose.

Now about Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 4:31 pm, you are correct that the transcript is wrong. She often says that the military is the most liberal environment she knows, that recruits are taught in basic that the weakest among them can get them killed if everyone doesn't pitch in to bring the weaker ones along, challenging and encouraging and helping them, and never giving up on them. Those who've been through it (training and/or battle) value unit cohesiveness and their buddies over everything else.

Yeah, Randi is challenging. I find her on-air persona to be brassy and loud and often impatient with stupid and disfluent callers. It took me some time to get past that, but as others have said, she works very hard at getting the facts out to her audience, and I've heard very few errors of fact EVER come out of her.
Jeany | 05.13.06 - 11:07 pm | #

No problemo, siteowner. Crooks & Liars Rules!!!
impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 11:08 pm | #

Interesting resemblance between this kid and Cancer Boy from KIds in the Hall.
Carson | 05.13.06 - 11:08 pm | #

Jinx!
Siteowner....you owe me a coke.
mirth | 05.13.06 - 11:09 pm | #

I hope the truthout news of Rove's indictment isn't premature or false. Lord knows he deserves it. It would be great if the news hit at the BEGINNING of a week's news cycle (perhaps all over the Talking Heads on Sunday) rather than on last Friday PM. ... holding my breath ... GO FITZ!
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S.O.S. from MA | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:11 pm | #

She should have called out him as a coward. "You don't have the guts to serve in the military. Your just like Bush and Cheney, you have to borrow balls from other men, real men.
B Luddengutz | 05.13.06 - 11:12 pm | #

God I love Randi Rhodes.

I only wish I were as in command in arguments against stupid people, but I tend to adhere to the tendency to descend into "their" mess in these arguments.

"bush is an asshole," is usually about as much as I can get anyone to agree with.
kdaves | 05.13.06 - 11:15 pm | #

"Fitzgerald served attorneys for ... Karl Rove with an indictment charging the embattled White House official with perjury and lying ... and instructed one of the attorneys to tell Rove that he has 24 hours to get his affairs in order."

Delicious. He'll look lovely in orange.

"Sources close to the case said Friday that it appeared very likely that an obstruction charge against Rove would be included" as well.

Three strikes, Ducky. You're out.

"Rove told [the chimp] ... that he will be indicted in the CIA leak case and will immediately resign his White House job when the special counsel publicly announces the charges against him."

Tough break, nigga. It's hard out there for an evil lying scumbag ho'. Don't drop the soap, doughboy.

"A spokesman in the White House press office said they would not comment on 'wildly speculative rumors.'"

You don't say.

"since Rove testified two weeks ago, the White House has been
coordinating a response to what is sure to be the biggest political scandal it has faced thus far"

And that's saying something.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_200...6/ 051306W.shtml

On the bright side, it still doesn't look like KR has received a target letter. Run with that, Lusky...
Laszlo Panaflex | 05.13.06 - 11:16 pm | #

I love the screen captures that John A. puts up here. I hate to be childish, bu that kid looks like he just dropped a load in his pants. (ok, it was fun to say)
MrEMan | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:17 pm | #

I miss the trolls. Bring on the trolls. I love to mess with them.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:21 pm | #

If you want an education go here:

http://www.wypr.org/M_Steiner.html
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:24 pm | #

Have you guys heard Stephanie Miller? She has a radio show that is way better than Randi's. It's really hilarious. There is a live stream on her website during broadcasts, and an mp3 archive you can access with a cheap subscription. She could totally hand that pantywaste ben his ass, but she doesn't do TV much.
Barnacle Junior | 05.13.06 - 11:24 pm | #

Anonymous... bout Vietnam and everything else, you are stupid and you are a liar, no offense, just facts. I lived through that period, lost a cousin there, 18 years old. The American people massively protesting against Vietnam brought that war to a close. That war is now widely acknowledged to have been a mistake.
Please go back to high school, or adult ed, or take a history class in college--get some facts, some sense of history before you continue spouting ignorance. It's making you look really bad. As for your views on Iraq... for God sake, get some facts behind you cause you don't have any so far, you just seem really dumb. You seem like you like war as a pastime? I think you've been playing with your GI Joe toys too much. Try to expand your interests please and get a life while you're at it.
US Patriot | 05.13.06 - 11:25 pm | #

cheering the fact that Rhodes gutted a 23-year-old troggo puppet?

gimme a break.

jeez, do you think Michael Jordan could beat Gary Coleman in 1 on 1 basketball?
liquified viscera | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:25 pm | #

its pretty funny to hear a 24 year old punk attempt to pontificate about a war and a military he refuses to support.

sorry, but anyone of military age, who refuses to join up, yet says he supports the war, is a liar and a coward.

his yankee line was downright hilarious.
Uncle Joe McCarthy | 05.13.06 - 11:27 pm | #

liquified viscera | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:25 pm | #

Actually, since C&L is busy updating the site hardware this has pretty much turned into an open thread.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:33 pm | #

I loved it and I love her compassion. It is the only way to get the message across. I don't know much about Randi but I am glad she is on our side. Good work!
Tired | 05.13.06 - 11:39 pm | #

liquified viscera | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:34 pm | #

Check your comments section.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:45 pm | #

who is Ben Ferguson and why i should give a fuck what his 24 yr. old, cant be bothered to serve punk as thinks? then again, he might be shooting to VP some day.
Dave | 05.13.06 - 11:46 pm | #

Dave | 05.13.06 - 11:46 pm | #

VP in charge of sawing off bats?
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:47 pm | #

PoliShifter
Oh Yea the turdblossum goeth.
Fues
fues | Homepage | 05.13.06 - 11:48 pm | #

John's back! New threads up.
RR | 05.13.06 - 11:49 pm | #

Shell-
143, huh. Maybe you'd better go read my original post because it seems your're having trouble with reading comprehension. I never disputed what Randi had to say, only the way she presented herself to an audience other than that of her radio audience. We've got an election coming up in a few months and we need sound, reasonable arguments that are not drowned out by loud commentators jumping out at us through our tv sets.
And, by the way, to those who said Randi was a captain in the Air Force, that's not correct. She was an airman first class. See, no shouting , no fuck yous, just the facts.
ftrwdr | 05.13.06 - 11:52 pm | #

The Yankees won't take him. The military will. Even if he's autistic.
tukr96 | 05.13.06 - 11:53 pm | #

FIRST OFF, THE UPSIDE DOWN AMERICAN FLAG IS REALLY ANNOYING, BUT YOUR JUST ONE OF THOSE MALCONTENTS WHO THINKS ITS COOL TO HATE YOUR OWN COUNTRY..I USED TO BE JUST LIKE THAT..GET A LITTLE OLDER, YOULL OUTGROW IT..2ND, PIESTOWA DIED IN A VEHICLE ACCIDENT, SHE WAS A SUPPORT CLERK, NOT A COMBAT SOLDIER..WOMEN SHOULD NOT BE IN THE MILITARY PERIOD, BUT LIKE THE GREAT COUNTRY THAT THIS IS, SHE HAD A CHOICE AND CHOSE A DANGEROUS P-R-O-F-E-S-S-I-O-N...JUST LIKE BEING A POLICEMAN, FIREMAN ETC ARE DANGEROUS PROFESSIONS...LMAO, AS MUCH AS YOU DREAMERS ARE TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO THE 1960'S..{PSSST, BTW, THOSE PROTESTS IN THE 60'S ARE GREATLY EXAGGERATED IN TERMS OF THEIR IMPORTANCE TO POLICY}..AS HARD AS YOU TRY, YOUR PATHETIC ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT HAS SIMPLY FIZZLED..BEING A SOLDIER IS A PROFESSION NOW, WANNA DO IT??..JOIN...DONT WANNA DO IT??..DONT!!!. SIMPLE AS THAT!
Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 4:35 pm | #

first of all anonymous the upside down flag does not mean one hates America it is a symbol of a nation in distress, & i would say that a nation progressing at warp speed towards facsism is in trouble.
secondly lets take this at a pace that maybe your tiny brain can wrap around (analogies can be hard work). now, all of us can probably agree that arson is a crime. all of us also agree that firefighters need to fight arson an some have died fighting fires set by arsonists. soldiers like firefighters are heroes. the bush administration like arsonists are criminals.
thirdly if you are so for this war do you believe in a draft because only about half of those fighting in Iraq are professional American soldiers. about 41% are guardsmen and they have jobs here that are not getting done, & then ofcourse there are the mercenaries many of whom fought in south africa against the anti-apartheid movement and our taxes are paying them hundreds of thosands of dollars to be there. if you can't get it done with America's professional soldiers along with the soldiers of other willing countries, if it's that important then one must believe in a draft. & one should NEVER pay mercanaries to do the bidding of our country(not that they are)please do not mistake that i am saying we should have a draft because i donot support this war.
titmouse | 05.13.06 - 11:53 pm | #

oh yeah...Randi is hot!!
child | 05.13.06 - 11:55 pm | #

Who's that lickspittle think he's fooling. Not only is this neocon newt too cowardly to face the music in Iraq but he has to hide his zits with that stupid hairdo. Where does the amnesia industry dig these worms up?
John Doe | 05.13.06 - 11:58 pm | #

I listen to her a lot. She kicks anyone'e ass. You know why? She's had experience in this field and she knows her stuff. And she won't back down. We need more people like her, people with guts to get into these assholes faces.
Jackie | 05.13.06 - 11:58 pm | #

titmouse | 05.13.06 - 11:53 pm | #

That was more than three words in a row and Anonymous | 05.13.06 - 4:35 pm | # is already lost trying to figure out the word "analogy."
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 12:01 am | #

oh & Randi Rocks. She may not be for everyone but this Connecticut yankee transplanted to the DC metro area fell for her the first time i heard her say 17afta' and yes she's angry,but she is informed and cares passionately (as do i) for our country. i saw all of the show and there was this priceless moment when Randi told that little tucker carlson wannabe to stop lying and the expression on his face was one of a little boy..well...caught lying. i watched that moment three times, it was priceless.
LONG LIVE THE MIDDLE CLASS!
titmouse | 05.14.06 - 12:01 am | #

don't you just love people who sign their name anonymous, like signing on as titmouse makes me unanonymous (i know there is no such word).
titmouse | 05.14.06 - 12:08 am | #

FIRST OF ALL, ANONYMOUS, PICK A NAME, ANY NAME, YOU GUTLESS PUKE, AND STOP SHOUTING! YOU'VE GOT NOTHING TO SAY AND YOU'RE SAYING IN MUCH TOO LOUDLY!!

Secondly, make just the slightest effort to know what the hell you're talking about. Clearly, you know nothing of the subject matter at hand or the 60s. Either read some books and bone up on the subject matter or stick to freeperville and powerline where they tell you what you want to hear and the facts really never enter into the discussion.
Coop | 05.14.06 - 12:09 am | #

And yeah, Randi's a little over the top, but I loved hearing her say "When I was 22 I was in the military, why aren't you?"

Poor little Ben got his ass kicked BY A GIRL!

Where the fuck do they grow these know-nothing 20something right-wingers who show up on TV?

I mean, who the fuck thinks that they're qualified to talk about ANYTHING?
renato | 05.14.06 - 12:13 am | #

titmouse | 05.14.06 - 12:08 am | #

That makes you recognizeable, referential and (damn it!) polite.
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 12:14 am | #

A war-age chickenhawks worst nightmare is Rhodes.

The guy will never understand just how big of a clown is.
AnAmerican | 05.14.06 - 12:23 am | #

Ben, you are a useless sack of skin in the form of a malodorous gasbag.
Just thought you should know.

Republican = Failure
Pete | 05.14.06 - 12:29 am | #

Randi never goes out of her way to remind people she was in the military, but a discussion with a chickenhawk was just too much.

I love these 24 year olds that come from privledged backgrounds, that think they know it all, at 24 years of age. Randi is a true patriot... she volunteered to serve her country unlike this asshole.
Henny Penny the sky is falling | 05.14.06 - 12:31 am | #

if you are in favor of the war, and are the right age and have the health you should join up.

Because this is as important was WWII according tho the current administration. And in WWII everyone was part of thgat conflict. everyone. Read about the Chicago alderman that joined the marines at 50 and went all the way to okinawa.

I think hannity, scarborough and rush should lead a crack team of politcal loudmouths to iraq.
smoked they be!
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morg | 05.14.06 - 12:34 am | #

morg | 05.14.06 - 12:34 am | #

I think you meant a team of political crack heads...
xoites defends Constitution | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 12:39 am | #

I saw it last night. Randi totally owned both conservatives. Especially Ferguson. He had no idea who he was dealing with! Ben's another candy ass chickenhawk!!
nonbeliever | 05.14.06 - 12:43 am | #

This kid will probably be named to be the new head of NASA in the near future....
MrEMan | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 12:44 am | #

The next right wing republican that says the left doesn't support the troops gets a fist up is backside. How does a coward conservative 24 year old punk get media attention?
Payne in the ass | 05.14.06 - 12:46 am | #

Randi does take a bit to get used to ...but once you do you love her..

She is not batshitcrazy...But she is INDEED furious...as well as all of you should be... You want to be politicaly polite to these scum sucking vampires!?!?!

Fuck that ...they need a good ass kicking.
rduke

My sentiments exactly. Why should she be cordial with people who are fucking up the country. Fuck it we've got the chimp on the ropes. Time to take the gloves off!!
nonbeliever | 05.14.06 - 12:48 am | #

What do you expect from the repugnant?The culture of corruption,sleaze and cowards.Go Randy!
Neoconsarecowards | 05.14.06 - 12:56 am | #

Chickenhawk? Or just plain chickenshit?
JD | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 1:00 am | #

hehe... Gotta love it when a vet goes off on a civillian about subjects involving war.
Jolly Sapper, OIF Vet | 05.14.06 - 1:01 am | #

Randi is fantastic.
jdl0218 | 05.14.06 - 1:02 am | #

Site Monitor here: Why do you keep posting things like this? You have to know we're going to delete it. Take a hint.
Satan | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 1:03 am | #

To those who say Randi SHOULD be REALLY angry -- I agree.

Think if someone murdered your child? (Or, for you younger ones, your parent or sibling?)

Ok -- everyone who says Randi is "too shrill" or "too loud," I certainly hope you will be nice and polite if someone murders your loved one. Remember -- s/he deserves a 2nd, 3rd .... 10th chance .. just like Bush. At the very least, always be polite to the murderer. Oh wait! You already told US to. Hypocrites.

Why can't many EVER see outside their own boring lives?
Shell | 05.14.06 - 1:11 am | #

That that is YOU, TOM et al.
Shell | 05.14.06 - 1:12 am | #

When she is on her game - nobody is better than Randi at combining righteous outrage with LOGIC.

Honestly, I am amazed at the clarity with which she can lay out an argument on her show while still sounding ANGRY.

And she also knows how to cut throught the neocon cant like she did with this shmuck - part of her tool kit is surprising neocons by not playing 'nice' and play along with their lies like liberals (and women) are supposed to do.

If and when America ever becomes a decent country again - then Randi MAY be a little bit in trouble - but in times like this that demand outrage - she is what we need.
-bee | 05.14.06 - 1:14 am | #

I love Randi Rhodes
So go and chop another Freeper's head off baby
Stanley Rosenthal | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 1:15 am | #

Go to the little creep's website, and there is no link to contact him. Figures. Fucking stupid Nazi little creep. If I see him on the street, I'll beat the shit out of the little fop.
Lori | 05.14.06 - 1:16 am | #

You mean Anonymous STILL hasn't gotten off? Maybe he IS older than I thought. But it is crystal clear he was NOT alive during any of Viet Nam. His comments about it are actually funny. Like a 10-year old talking about marriage.

And he doesn't even know what an upside down flag means! ROFL Those who suggest he READ, might I suggest he take a few English courses first, get the language down, and THEN read.
Shell | 05.14.06 - 1:22 am | #

I googled this little fuck and could not find a contact email address to send anything to. This little pussy would have been the subject of a blanket party within one week of coming aboard our ship. fucking twat.
ex-Navy | 05.14.06 - 1:24 am | #

You have to really scrape the bottom of the barrel to find a Bush-supporting, media personality younger than Bush's approval rating.

Randi, my Queen, moisten me!
kometes | 05.14.06 - 1:55 am | #

I thought neo-conservative mall-rats were trained from birth (by their fathers) to answer that charge with "I'm not in the military because I have an MBA, and I'll be much more valuable to the country as a business leader than a soldier. We should all serve the country by doing what we're best at." ? I guess he missed the memo.
Pericles | 05.14.06 - 2:16 am | #

Love Randi and Ed... I only got to see the end, and eould love to see the whole thing... and suggestions?
Clytemnestra | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 2:28 am | #

I just love those little pussy boys like Ferguson. When I was In the Marines all of us would look down on so called "men" like him. They are all talk and have no balls to actually back up what they say with physical action. Maybe Rhodes should have spoken to him in a language he can understand. Something like, "Bwok, bwok" might have worked.
Joe | 05.14.06 - 2:48 am | #

We need more liberal women like Randi on US TV. The fascist Republicans are sexist, so it's about time that women in America who don't aspire to be a deferential Laura Bush/Pat Nixon type of good American little Frau get out there and speak up for women, and for everyone. America desperately needs more liberal/progressive women to be involved in politics generally and to be on these shows, especially when the right-wingers manufacture their Stepford-pundit/vampires from the Phyllis Shlafly School like Kate O'Beirne, "Ann" Coulter (post-op), Monica Crowley, Kyra Myra Phillips, and all the witches at DumbFUX-News Corp. Go Randi Go! And may we see more liberal women on US TV.
impeachthechimp | 05.14.06 - 2:48 am | #

Funny thing is, no matter where you go on Ferguson's website. there's no place to send e-mail. I served in the military and left message for the little pussy to contact me. Bet I don't hear a word. Can ou believe him comapring supporting the Yankeesa to servicing in the military??? I would love to slap that little bitch around!
gfoneill | 05.14.06 - 3:07 am | #

"someone needs to sit this woman down and show her some manners. she comes off looking exactly how the right wants liberals to...out of control.
alien | 05.13.06 - 3:43 pm | # "

You need to get a f#cking clue and understand what we're up against. If listening between the lines of her anf Ferguson all you can do is find fault with her, then you're either a Rush Limbaugh bunghole licker or a complete moron!
Darth_Cheney | 05.14.06 - 3:12 am | #

"Do you think the people we're fighting over there are EVIL? " No. They are people who do not want us there. They are people who want revenge for their loved ones we murdered. If the situation were reversed we'd be doing the same thing. Excepts for cowards like Prager and Ferguson.
jimmy james | 05.14.06 - 3:17 am | #

Okay, I have nothing against gays, but Ferguson seriously looks like a little, inept c#cksucker in that clip. Something tells me, he probably got beat up on campus too.
Ebeneezer_dude | 05.14.06 - 3:22 am | #

Gfoneill is right. Nowhere to send e-mail to the little wimp. Sure sign of a coward.

By about his age I had spent 2.5 years in the 101st Airborne, and was commanding a 155SP artillery battery in Germany, with a year in Vietnam to come.

So sign up and volunteer for Iraq, Fergy, and maybe someday you'll earn my respect. Respect for office may be inherent, but respect for an individual occupying that office must be earned.

Certainly you have a right to any stupid, uninformed opinion you choose to hold, but I have no obligation to respect it.

Here's one: Hold the opinion you can step off a 1000 foot cliff and live. I respect your right to have that opinion. In fact, I encourage you to adopt that opinion, and to test it. Get back to me with the results.

Dan Prall

PS: I did, but the cliff was an airplane and I did it many times. For you, I suggest an actual cliff, no chute.
Rev Zafod | 05.14.06 - 3:28 am | #

she owned him the putz and pussy should take up crossdressing and be someones wife. dickless bussert
Joseph T. Kowalski | 05.14.06 - 3:30 am | #

Kaa-pow! That sniveling, cowardly piece of gutless shit didn't know what hit him.
prj | 05.14.06 - 3:42 am | #

Be careful, folks. I've been a troll myself--elsewhere, and long long ago--and the Randi-Basher(s), including All-Caps Anonymous, smell like the work of one sad 'tard trying to play like he's a one-man Silent Majority.

And to put one other issue into perspective: I wouldn't tell some fifty-year-old who supports Bush to go enlist; that's stupid. But Ben-Ben here thinks the war is Great, the war is Good, and "we" must do everything in our power to win it because it is Our Sacred Duty. By "we," of course, he clearly means "someone else," and it's thus perfectly right to call him on that.

During wars past, men lied like pigs in order to enlist. Today, scum like Ben-Ben engage in the swiftboating of those same men without hesitation, then say they "can't" enlist because they have a child at home or a nice salary they don't care to give up or they're busying fighting the "culture" war in the safety of suburban Harrisburg.

It's ridiculous to suggest that we can't criticize such filth, or that we're being unfair. It's time for THEM to "get over it." Unhinged? They have no fucking idea. Yet.
Happenstance | 05.14.06 - 3:45 am | #

Snoozer; anyone, ANYONE, who supports the endlessly shifting rationales for this obscene, immoral and illegal conflict, especially those of military service age, should get their hypocritical asses to Baghdad asap, shut the fuck up.

That little prick even suggested that he didn't 'always' have to fight. He's not fighting anyone, he's not losing his eye or his arm or his leg, he's not being blown to pieces defending Haliburton's right to destroy Iraq and kill hundreds of thousands of people.

The truth is this worthless sack of shit would never have the balls to see combat, no matter what was at stake.

He and his kind make me sick.
pjr | 05.14.06 - 3:52 am | #

errr...'or shut the fuck up'
pjr | 05.14.06 - 3:59 am | #

The guy look like a rich ignorant dork. Randi's right he should go to Iraq maybe he'll get a dose of real life and he'll stop he's senseless ignorant argument . He does'nt make sense at all he just yakk for the sake of drooning out Miss Rhode for whatever she's talking.
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The desperate and hysterical 29%'ers and getting a lot more shrill, aren't they?
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PSSST De Ananymous can't type in small letter cause it does not know when to use a lower case letter in it's post Ignore whatever it posted in it's message cause it's obviously
incoherent which is certifiably typical rethugnant mentality and limited educational background.

Note: I use It as an operative word cause Anon is an unidentified subhuman species judging by it's post typical of the 29% which Britney Spears and Jesica Simpson are a proud members known as Bush supporters
poklet | 05.14.06 - 5:03 am | #

you know what your guys problem is in regards to vietnam??..youve only heard or read about it thru the prism of liberal books, studies and media reports..you all say that im wrong or wasnt around in the 60's, which btw your wrong about, but you dont refute my facts...
1..the "WAR PROTESTS" myth..these protests did absolutely nothing to change public opinion or policy in regards to the war. If anything, chicago in 1968 dnc convention protest got Nixon elected, who was a republican hawk on vietnam..hubert humphrey got the nomination was also a hawk, ...the biggest protests were from 69-71,,..including Kent State, where 4 were killed, all media and historians portray this era, that Nixon was hated and despised during this time, when actually he got some of his highest approval ratings, the polls were cleary against these protests and the majority of the country felt Kent State was justified..want proof??..after 3 trials, all guardsmen were aquitted..1972 election..even after all of the protests,the cambodia invasion, kia in the war..kent state, even with a "peace " candidate Mcgovern, Nixon pounded him in one of the biggest landslides in history!!!..mcgovern carried one lousy state!!..but the music, the drugs, protests..thats all a myth created by the media...it had no bearing on ending anything..in fact, by 1972, before the peace accord was signed, the protests had dwindled to just a few diehards..A popular theme about Nixon was that "half the people seemed to think he started the war",,,gee. i wonder how that was accomplished..we know why, the media hated him and thats how that myth was born....he did exactly as he promised..brought peace with honor out of a mess that Kennedy and Johnson had created..his vietnamzation plan had worked..from jan 1973-till march 1975 the South held its own..all ground war operations were handled by them...then, 1974, the democratic congress cut and run and cut all funding for an ally of over 20 years..wouldnt even send medical help..what a disgrace..see, you never hear of this part of the war..only the chant of AMERICA LOST!!..AMERICA LOST!!!YOU NEVER EVER hear anything about the millions that poured out of that country and died at sea trying to get out. i watched that Karnow trash VIETNAM: A TELEVISION HISTORY..A total of maybe 2 minutes were devoted to the consequences of the democrats action..a 13 hour series, only 2 minutes devoted to that..the rest was the usual America ruined everything..we wwere the bad guys..nevermind the communists that murderd millions and left those people living, to this day, in abject misery...anyway, ive stated these facts..now explain those elections and things to me..
Anonymous | 05.14.06 - 5:27 am | #

one more thing that destroys your protest myth..when the negotiations collasped in Oct 1972, it wasnt no protest that brought North Vietnam back to the table, President Nixon unleashed over 200 B-52'S on Hanoi, ..best part was, The New York Times and the 3 major news channels were havin a liberal hissy about it, but for 11 days, Nixon stayed at Camp David and never uttered a word to anyone, knowing his silence would make the bombings more effective...he almnost wiped that shit hole into dust, and when KISSINGER met again in paris with the NVA, in public they were pissed, in private, they kissed his ass like never before!!!!..needless to say 2 weeks later, that accord was signed and our P.O.W were being released...
Anonymous | 05.14.06 - 5:42 am | #

Fergusun, you're a pretty gutless POS. What a clown. And a coward. Talk is cheap. Go put your ass on the line, ya little shit. Right now, you don't haven't even earned he right to hold so much as an opinion, much less to go spewing your ignorant shit in the face of one who has.

Does it bother your punk ass that you've been bested on every front by a woman?

Ya craven loudmouth punk.
Paul | 05.14.06 - 6:48 am | #

From Campus Progress:
"I’m proud I’m a virgin. I’m glad I’m a virgin. I don’t even mind talking about it. So maybe you wonder: Why am I a virgin? It’s actually very simple. I am a virgin because I choose to wait until I get married.”
-Ben Ferguson
Ben Ferguson, the proud virgin in the above quote, is “America’s Youngest Talk Radio Host” and author of the plaintively, pleadingly titled It’s My America, Too. An unnaturally cherubic 22-year-old with little regard for liberals and lots of airtime in which to tell you about it, Ferguson has been riding the airwaves in some capacity or another since the ripe young age of 13, when right-wing radio host Ken Hamblin gave the kid a weekly call-in slot on his Denver-based program and made him one of the country’s best heard young voices. It’s now nine years later, and Ferguson has his own guests, not to mention his own show. Impressive kid, but who is he?
A proud product of home schooling, Ferguson is a charmingly parochial 20-something who attributes his success to time spent in Mom’s minivan. “[W]hile other kids were stuck in boring classrooms, staring at the walls or ripping apart their paper, piece by piece,” Ferguson was firmly planted in the passenger’s seat, listening to Limbaugh in the family Windstar. Ferguson is, further, deeply religious, disgusted by popular culture, in favor of family, in favor of school prayer, and would generally do a great job at dinner with your grandparents (unless they’re America-hating commies)."

Got to be in the closet to be a virgin at 24.
Best thing that could happen for this little twerp, and all the others out there like him is reinstitution of the military draft. I spent nine years in the Navy, and I have no use for these chickenhalks sending working class kids off to be killed in their illegal war. There is something about this snot that makes me want to stomp his face. If you're going to talk the talk, you ought to walk the walk.
Bluein Texas | 05.14.06 - 7:19 am | #

Bleuin Texas,

My thoughts exactly.
Paul | 05.14.06 - 7:57 am | #

"Got to be in the closet to be a virgin at 24.
Best thing that could happen for this little twerp, and all the others out there like him is reinstitution of the military draft. I spent nine years in the Navy, and I have no use for these chickenhalks sending working class kids off to be killed in their illegal war. There is something about this snot that makes me want to stomp his face. If you're going to talk the talk, you ought to walk the walk."

Bluein Texas | 05.14.06 - 7:22 am |

I agree with you my friend. I did four years in the Marines (MOS: Infantry) and its people like Ferguson that piss me off. If the draft were reinstated he would be the first one to run. From reading what you posted of his bio Ferguson is and always has been a scared shitless of everything, pussy momma's boy full of nothing but talk. Now, with his television appearance the entire world knows it to. Good God I hate chickenhawks.
Joe | 05.14.06 - 7:57 am | #

'2. At 24, Ferguson is prime cannon fodder for the US military, yet he has made no move to support the troops by becoming one. Join the army, asshole, and be all you can be: target practice.
jimbo92107'

Wasn't going to comment until I'd got all the way through; being from the UK I am mindful of not commenting on US military deaths and maimings, so tragic.

Neverthelss I laughed out loud at the sheer brilliance of the snark here.
g1lgam3sh | 05.14.06 - 9:11 am | #

So it turns out Ben Wa Boy is "a product of "homeschooling"--no wonder he's such an ignorant little OxyRush Lameballs rimmer. And he's a virgin? Probably went to one of those "Purity Balls" in a real "fancy" dress with his daddy. Pity the poor, desperate woman who gets suckered into getting involved with this little asshat. What a small-minded little dick this hateful kid is. Up yours, Ben Wa Boy!
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Me3 | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 9:24 am | #

I would really love to see Mike Malloy of Air America rip this little shit on the air. Malloy would have this dickless wonder begging for liberal mercy. By the time Malloy would be done with him, the dipshit's Ted Koppel/Raggedy Ann hair would all have fallen out and he'd be sitting in a pile of his own shitbricks.
impeachthechimp | 05.14.06 - 9:27 am | #

Here you go Bennie-Boy...
just don't mention you're gay:
http://operationyellowelephant.b...t.blogspot.com/
Operation Yellow Elephant
It's their war. Why aren't they fighting it?

Lou Costello | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 9:58 am | #

Home schooled virgin? Who would have thought it? The sublimated sexual energy channneled into the study of the pronouncements of Vietnam era draft-evaders with anal cysts.

So hard to learn about the real world or real people in the back of mom's Windstar.

And to anonymous, I slept last night on my Ashley bed that arrived last fall in crates stamped "hecho en Vietnam." It seems that Vietnam is now a trading partner of the U.S.A. and has a rather vital economy. So your belief that the people of that country continue to live in "abject poverty" shows that you not only don't read many books, you don't read the labels on things you buy either.

Home schooling should be outlawed and be referred to as what it used to be-- that is not going to school at all and having ma teaching you to read a little out of the Bible. I am surprised that Ben's ma didn't decide to sex educate him herself in the back of the Windstar. Perhaps she did and made him gay.
grandpa | 05.14.06 - 9:59 am | #

Everyone, go to Amazon.com and look up his whiny little book entitled "It's My America Too". The reviews are awful, and most of them ask him why he isn't over fighting in Iraq. I added my own review.
Lori | 05.14.06 - 10:17 am | #

impeachthechimp | 05.13.06 - 9:24 pm

I agree with everything you said.
nonbeliever | 05.14.06 - 10:30 am | #

Bet if you were getting but fucked every day and the videos sent to the W.H. for their viewing pleasure 'cause you might be a terroist, you would be mad too. Go Randi
Anonymous | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 10:34 am | #

Randi is intelligent and articulate but comes across looking shrill. She needs to make a concise point and counter not try to talk louder and longer than everyone else. She knows what she's talking about so she should let her knowledge stand on it's own....I like her but it's tough to listen to her. She too emotional and shrill while others keep their cool...it is a business about image after all.
Tom | 05.14.06 - 1:08 am | #
i disagree that it's about image, i think it's about getting the truth out, and randi got out alot of truths the other night and shot down alot of talking points-like the so called low unemployment rate.
both sides often yell, the liberals to tell the truth and the conservobots to cover up the truth the liberal are trying to get out. having watched randi on these types of shows i find that she has quickly learned the game. the conservatives job is to get out the talking points many if not most of which are spin if not lies. you know how i know now that these guys do know the truth. they are so good at anticipating when a liberal is going to make a good (truthful) point so they can talk over them.
now i am not saying that randi is not shrill , even on her own show but if there was a time to be shrill now is it. i know i love this country for what it was supposed to stand for i have been doning a constitution pin for months now. i have cried over my country several times (and not just after the 2004 election results came in-but that one lasted the better part of a day). they are trying to break our backs so excersizing ones spine is all too important now! i feel like progressive talk has someone for everyone. some people find the stephanie miller show to be silly and lowbrow i love it, it's my comic relief! thom hartman is probably the best show out there as far as content historical as well as it's great that he has "real" conservatives and libertarians (the ones that don't hide their true agenda) on to debate him. he is always polite and refrains from personal attacks and i have almost cried when he has played clips of speeches from past presidents like jfk. i podcast and listen to ALL of randi shows, stephanie miller shows and thom's shows so it costs me $150 a year - $ well spent i say. i can listen to big ed schultz but he's not as much my cup o tea but i do think he is important because there are alot of men (& women) who think that they are conservatives who if they listened to him will realize, like he did that they are not and will relate to him & follow him to the light..
mike malloy is shrill and a bit too mean-spirited for my taste, but i understand some folks love him. oh and i also listen to about 80% of the majority report show-i love sam sedar-jeanine i find to be annoying, very shrill, self centered and often mean.
ring of fire is good too and the pap attack -it's most shrill minute usually warrants a you- go mike!. the only show i personally fiind a big waste of time is Lionel but i guess some folks might like him too. oh and how could i forget my wake and go to work show-rachael maddow.
just like the dem party- we are different from each other and it shows cause there ain't no talking points which means you might be off the parties message but when you say what you really think you will never have to refer to a peice of paper to remind yourself of your opinion.
titmouse | 05.14.06 - 10:42 am | #

That moron has the same hairstyle I had for my High School senior picture.....in 1971!
Average Joe | 05.14.06 - 11:12 am | #

Tucker Carlson and Ben Ferguson:

Two commentators in dire need of a public bitch slapping. Thank you for doing that in the figurative sense, Randi !!
Reprob8 | 05.14.06 - 11:36 am | #

I am a little sick of all these young GOP chickenhawks who are so content to let their less wealthy peers do all the fighting. They seem to think they are "more evolved" or something and that its only natural that they don't have to fight. What a bunch of shallow, stupid, wussies.
lark83 | 05.14.06 - 11:36 am | #

Mike Malloy was on with little puke face a couple of weeks ago. But the problem with these right wing talking heads, and specifically the host that night, is that they won't give the people more than 5 minutes to make any point! I forget her name...she's perky and cute and Asian...wouldn't let any real conversation happen. That's they way CNN wants it. It's so ridiculous, why bother to have anybody on at all??? Mike could have made jr. into hamburger but he didn't have time. Thank Gawd for liberal radio and the blogosphere, the only places for real news.
LuLu | 05.14.06 - 11:37 am | #

excuse my ignorance, but exactly who is that boy, Ferguson? He should be spanked and sent to bed without dinner by his mommy.
Tom | 05.14.06 - 11:43 am | #

Who the hell was that kid???
audacious reader | Homepage | 05.14.06 - 11:53 am | #

Got to be in the closet to be a virgin at 24.
Best thing that could happen for this little twerp, and all the others out there like him is reinstitution of the military draft. I spent nine years in the Navy, and I have no use for these chickenhalks sending working class kids off to be killed in their illegal war. There is something about this snot that makes me want to stomp his face. If you're going to talk the talk, you ought to walk the walk.
Bluein Texas | 05.14.06 - 7:22 am | # -------------------------------------------------- --------------------------

When you talk, you talk - just what I mean by being proud not to be an american ight now - this is what I was once proud to be pro-American of.

Come on, guys, you can beat the shit out of these chicken-hawks at the next elections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
proudnottobeamerican | 05.14.06 - 12:00 pm | #

One thing I noticed about the exchange - Ben, in response to a question from randy said "who said war was easy?"

Well actuall your guys did old sport - it was going to be cakewalk with people tossing flowers and then the victroy parade July 4th down Times Square.

None of that was ture of course but you can't pretend that the right wing sold this a being a quick easy in and out like a big Greneda.
bob3 | 05.14.06 - 12:05 pm | #

Randi believes we're on the eve of destruction, and I agree. The time for civil discourse has passed.
Anonymous | 05.14.06 - 12:08 pm | #

I need to start listening to Randi again on XM. I had to take a break because I was going nuts at how badly the country was being ran and how many people still believed in that idiot Bush.

But Randi is great in debates and always has her facts. And I have to admire anyone that can come to the table and lay down the truth without a bunch of double talk or including crap like: but what about 9/11?

The fact that she actually served in the Air Force just goes to prove that she has 'walked the walk' and deserves to 'talk the talk'. The other pieces of crap that will never see a day where they duty bound to be in a situation where they could shot and killed have no right to talk about how the troops should be sent to or kept in a war.

Also (way off topic) it seems that Randi is looking pretty good these days. Is she on a diet or something?
CaptCaveman | 05.14.06 - 12:21 pm | #

LuLu, OMG, thanks for reminding me about Malloy on the air with Ben Wa a few weeks ago. I saw that also, it was a pathetic waste of Mike's time, CNN didn't give any time to the segment, it was ridiculous. It was pretty sad, about gas prices, and Malloy wasn't given enough time to say anything. Oh well, Randi ripped the kid a little bit, which ain't hard 'cause he's such an ignorant little dipshit. The trailer urchin shouldn't even be put on the air, he's a joke. And the 1971 hair, jeez. You'd think his mamma would say something, but one can only imagine what that trash is like.
impeachthechimp | 05.14.06 - 1:34 pm | #

Who is this goofy clown sittin in for Larry King? He's not only more of a lightweight questioning wingnuts that Larry is, but he's also more of an apologist for BushCo. cnn sucks as bad as fox.
justonemore | 05.14.06 - 1:37 pm | #

Anyone know what site has the entire show?
whit | 05.14.06 - 2:44 pm | #

I support the World Champion Chicago White Sox, AND I have a jersey.
Cheryl | 05.14.06 - 3:54 pm | #

Gee, are the Yankees fighting an illegal war in Iraq? Ben, you were eaten alive. You don't even have the sense to know it. I will bet that you used to wet your bed.
cleo | 05.14.06 - 4:11 pm | #

Randi has a huge problem in that she isn't as famous as she thinks she should be. That kid is a spoiled pasty little chickenhawk. Randi is intelligent but she's not a good interview. She loses it real quick. And, my god, the voice.
srgtick | 05.14.06 - 4:23 pm | #

"Nixon didn't do squat... REPUBLICAN'S LOST THE VIETNAM WAR..." by Al Swearengen

Al is so correct. The true purpose of Vietnam was to keep the government contracts going and raking in the money for the sale of heroine to pay for further wars. Ross Perot told Bush SR that he could not get all the pow's out because he was being stonewalled by the US government because he saw the association of US and Heroine poppies. The day after, Perot was fired. 50,000 plus lives and 100,000's Vietnamese families shattered. It wasn't about spreading democracy in the world or preventing the dominoe theory. Did the domino theory evolve? Don't think so. Iraq is the same. It is about oil and keeping the US dollar as the currancy to buy oil. Sadam was usin Euros. Has Bush caught Osama Bin Laden? No, but there is a pipeline going through Afganistan.

Randy is screaming about the symptoms of this horrific government. She is correct with everything she says. She cares while Ferguson truly doesn't give a shit about human lives with his ridiculous answers. IF Bush really thought there was a war on Terror, don't you think that our borders would be sound and our shipping ports be incredibly secure?? Nothing has been done to step up the security. Doesn't appear to be any war on terror to me other than a complete show at the airports.
jackp | 05.14.06 - 6:25 pm | #

Anti-Randi bloggers say that she is "bat-shit-crazy" as in one of the first hits on this thread. THAT IS SO NOT TRUE.

Randi is ANGRY, and precise, and literate, and sooo well informed! She is one of the best standard-bearers that our side has. She is hot as a pistol, and I hope she continues to draw comment and conflict.

The bushies try to cut her down because THEY WANT TO PEE THEIR PANTS every time she starts talking.
redstate Radical | 05.14.06 - 6:48 pm | #

that little benny boy has no credibility. What is he, 15? Has anyone ever heard of him or his little talking-point show?

Come on now, really... it wasn't even a fair competition. His responses were almost as bad as "oh yeah, well you're ugly." Nothing but a wanna be "Kenny Boy" Mehlman.

NEXT!
Justin | 05.14.06 - 7:09 pm | #

Anonymous..you definately got your facts wrong. You forgot Kent State when the National Guard shot the student to death. It was a chilling moment because now our own soldiers were shooting the demonstrators. As a result even the corrupt politicians decided to get out otherwise there would be total anarchy. Nixon got out. After the US was in Vietnam for 10 years, you would think the Vietnamese army would be trained to fight(training iraqi soldiers????) It collapesd in months. Also, Kennedy ordered the US to get out of Vietnam. Shortly after, he was assasinated. The order was rescinded by Johnson. My point is the powers to be could give a shit about their rhetoric. Follow the money!!!!!!!
jackp | 05.14.06 - 10:27 pm | #

Rhodes has the most IRRITATING VOICE on the planet. Does she ever SHUT UP? Sure, the right-wing hacks are telling a bunch of lies, but Rhodes needs to learn to SHUT UP every now and then. If you are a part of a panel, you have to let the other people speak, even if they are lying, otherwise, you are just pissing off fence-sitters.
MO | 05.14.06 - 11:49 pm | #

Ferguson admits he's a virgin and he's proud of it. What a Losah. It only means nobody wants him because he's an rich spoiled idiot. I guess I'm a little bit satisfied that todays girls's don't just go for the looks they go for the brain.

Personally I think virginity in a
guy with normal functioning hormones
is not a choice. It's a simple sign that girls is not into you.A normal guy start canoodling with whatever they have down there as early as 14 years old. Even celibate guys they have at least experience sex at least once in their life.
This rethugnant dudes are totally full of horseshit.
poklet | 05.15.06 - 12:07 am | #

It's dumb shits like Bennie Baby that give homeschoolers a bad name.
Clytemnestra | Homepage | 05.15.06 - 1:14 am | #

Here is the way I see it, if you are a healthy male between the ages of 22-30 and you don't have kids, you aren't running the family business, you don't have sick relatives to care for, no major responsibilites other than yourself and you are so PRO-WAR then you have no excuse. Raise your right hand and serve, or it is O.K. to have a war when only the poor kids serve and die? I am so sick of the chicken-hawks. Give em hell Randi! What is the punk's excuse?
bluecollargirl | 05.15.06 - 1:50 am | #

We have to fight the Neocon nazis here so the rest of the world dont have to fight them there.
steambomb | 05.15.06 - 2:23 am | #

What is the punk's excuse?

He doesn't have an excuse.
steambomb | 05.15.06 - 2:25 am | #

I understand that little Ben's mother is still breastfeeding him. Happy Mother's Day, Mrs. Ferguson. Hope you 2 had a swell time.
impeachthechimp | 05.15.06 - 2:49 am | #

Typical rePUBIClican. Fight a good war with their yaps and nothing else.
steve taylor | 05.15.06 - 8:36 am | #

Convert | 05.13.06 - 4:32 pm | #

And what have you done to support the troops? Even if you served before, whether in peace time or war time, what have you done for those serving now?

Some links for you...try and keep up...

http://www.optruth.org/

http://www.ivaw.net/

71 vets running for office, guess which party they're running for...

Explain the "war on terror" and why we are in Iraq, not Iran, or N. Korea...and why would that be the case?
right wing hater | Homepage | 05.15.06 - 8:56 am | #

Just a gut instinct that I can in no way support with facts, but I think this anonymous character with a penchant for caps, talking points and shallow thinking is Ben Ferguson. Similarities in delivery.
Paul | 05.15.06 - 9:49 am | #

I saw the clip on television. Even as I watched and listened, I found that it is becoming harder and harder for me to feel anger for these ideological nothings. These days I feel more of a sense of emptiness whenever I hear some "right-wing death-pervert" wasting the english language and polluting our ears.
Satiric Phenomenologist | Homepage | 05.15.06 - 12:35 pm | #

MO --

FENCESITTERS? In 2006? Are you kidding? If someone is fence-sitting today, s/he is retarded.
Shell | 05.15.06 - 2:00 pm | #

titmouse ---

Could you say SHRILL one more time in your post? Jesus! Take a 3rd grade English class! Learn some new words.

"I sorta like so-and-so, but s/he is TOO SHRILL."

Could you be any more obvious, right-wingers? They are SO uneducated and stupid.
Shell | 05.15.06 - 2:10 pm | #

It's probably been said already, but . . .

someone needs to sit this woman down and show her some manners. she comes off looking exactly how the right wants liberals to...out of control.

Yeah, because Alan Fucking Colmes is such a strong and effective representative of liberalism.

[/sarcasm]
spencer | Homepage | 05.15.06 - 2:27 pm | #

In it, he states that the US should never elect a woman president because other countries would not respect us.

And he's clearly right - look at how no one on earth respects the UK or Germany, for example.
spencer | Homepage | 05.15.06 - 2:37 pm | #

Sometimes you have to make a lot of noise to get attention.

THANK GOODNESS Randi is rattling those hypocritical RepubliCONs who do not serve in the military.

And she does not have to be apologizes for how she delivers her message or how she dresses.

She focuses on delivering the message, and people do get that message.

Randi has been out there even before bush selected prez (you know the bush, that son of that bitch babs)

All I have to say to Randi: YOU GO GURL!
FunMe | 05.15.06 - 2:42 pm | #

2nd, why don't you go tell Tammy Duckworth, or Jessica Lynch or Lori Piestowa - among many many others - that they don't know shit about combat.

Or try asking Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester, the woman who earned a Silver Star for valor for leading a team against a squad of insurgents ambushing a convoy. 27 kills, three of them by Hester herself. Tell her she doesn't know shit about combat.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...5061601551.html

(Oh, by the way, the last woman before Sgt. Hester to win a Silver Star for valor was in WWII. So much for women in the military being "a novelty", Anonymous Fuckwad.)
Jay in Oregon | 05.15.06 - 3:30 pm | #

That Ferguson kid's Yankee crack was one of the worst analolgies in the history of modern thought.

In other news, shouldn't young pundits at least be, oh, I dunno... *precocious* or something? The boy is an outright fool. Dear CNN: You're starting to really suck major balls.
EconAtheist | Homepage | 05.15.06 - 3:59 pm | #

ferguson is a beady-eyed moron, and roberts looked like he wanted to run out of there screaming.
bibimimi~☆ | 05.15.06 - 4:07 pm | #

This just in at DumbFUX-News Corp., Dennis Prager and Hugh Hewitt have announced their engagement to be married after a long romance. A June wedding is planned, follwed by a planned "steamy" Honeymoon at the Nixon Library in Yorba Linda, Ca.
impeachthechimp | 05.15.06 - 5:13 pm | #

The yelling really turns me off, but at least SHE has the smarts to back up her case. If she hadn't yelled, he would've talked over her and monopolized the whole thing.

Where do they find these young neocon marshmallows like him? Were they overpraised as kids? There's one on the Okla. City Fox channel and he's such a lightweight. I hate to hear him thinking he's so superior and well informed, when he doesn't know Jack Crap. How can people fall for this stuff?
judylou | 05.15.06 - 8:17 pm | #

No one dies in a yankees game. Iraqi or American, pick your prefered victim - they are BOTH dying over there while guys like this douche clap as though it were a sporting event.
r4d20 | 05.15.06 - 9:13 pm | #

Seriously, keep this clip visible and available.

I think it has almost the motional power of the Cheney shooting story. People can relate to going to watch a ballgame and will feel their guts almost heave at the thought of 'cheering' on a war like you'd cheer on a team.

Actually, if any of you have artistic talent this could make a powerful picture: A stadium, stands empty but for one fan (a young man in a suitand tie) cheering, and in the middle a battle between americans and arabs with a bunch of casualties on both sides. Or maybe a giant TV (the fills the field) with a picture of the battle to point out the distance between the fan and what he is cheering.
r4d20 | 05.15.06 - 9:23 pm | #

Randi is a New Yorker. New Yorkers don't stop talking when someone interrupts them they just talk louder. It's not considered rude or inappropriate to continue talking albeit louder when someone interrupts you. Benny boy was the rude one in this exchange by interrupting Randi's point she was trying to make. This woman knows her stuff and can put it into words about as smoothly as anyone out there. Is she angry? Is she frustrated? Aren't you? If you're not you're in a coma. You go girl. She'd punk any of those smug chickshit bastards anytime any day. Hell I'd love to wrap my hands around the necks of a few of those pissants myself.
drtaamc | 05.15.06 - 10:05 pm | #

According to RANDI on her show on Monday -- The little kid yucked it up with the goofy CNN host about "getting drunk" and other stupid things on breaks.

Also, that white haired right-wing fool tried to get them all to "act bored" and drink water when Randi spoke. LOL! (Remind you of 4th grade?) Hope they do that next time. If you have nothing intelligent to say ...

ALSO -- I didn't see this, it might be from his website == he is only a radio talk show host 2 HOURS A WEEK? And is SO proud of being a 24-year old virgin? (Can you say CLOSET GAY?)

Of course, cowardly right-wingers who at least are on the air every day are waaaaaay too chicken to take on Randi.

You go, girl! I know it is annoying to vastly outsmart these right-wing goofs, but it IS funny TV.
Shell | 05.15.06 - 11:53 pm | #

When I go to bed I turn on Randi's XM stream ...like a lullably. All is well when she's on the job. No worries ...pleasant dreams.
bg | 05.16.06 - 12:01 am | #

Oh...oh that was so not a fair fight.

The soldiers are not getting the support they need because the left is saying it is a quagmire?

WTF, over.
Tug | 05.16.06 - 1:32 am | #

Pretty pathetic that all you liberals think that ad-hominem attacks are a legitimate form of debate . It just makes you all look rude, ignorant and uninformed.
Tom | 05.16.06 - 4:34 pm | #

Just for the record, the transcript of Randi rippin Ferguson a new a-hole misquoted her. It reads:

RHODES: Once you've served, you come back, and you're suddenly a liberal. Do you know why, Ben? Because you're only as good as the weakest. And that's why you aren't in the military.

She actually said "And that's what you learn in the military."
4dgood | 05.17.06 - 5:57 am | #

People who follow Randi over time begin to realize that people like her are born once in several generations. She has a huge ability to reason, to remember, and to put it all together for the rest of us.

I learn more from her each day about my own country, than from all the drivel put out by all the corporate -run media put together.

And, she has courage, for it takes courage today in America to speak your mind and do it loudly.
Arlene Montemarano | 05.17.06 - 5:04 pm | #

Way to go Randi. What a woman. Nailed that little fucker right to the wall, smug little shit that he is. We need more like her, loud and relentless.
mandy | 05.19.06 - 9:42 am | #
mandy | 05.19.06 - 9:45 am | #

To everyone's favorite anonymous:
There's a reason why you don't see protests(at least our version that you're thinking of)in the middle east. That reason is based on the way their government is contructed. Islamic countries have governments based on Sharia Law (which relies on the Koran). A lot of these countries have no constitution because they feel everything they need is in that book. No constitution= no first ammendment right to free speech or to assemble peacefully. The reason protests don't exist in the muslim world is because it's a foreign concept to them. If they tried it in the past, they'd be shot. They probably wouldn't even realize it was an option.
Vicky | 06.01.06 - 2:16 am | #

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