document.write("<script language=\"javascript1.2\" type=\"text/javascript\">function emo_pop() {window.open('http://www.haloscan.com/commenthelp.php','Help','width=200,height=360,resizable=yes,scrollbars=yes');}</script><table width=\"97%\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" border=\"0\" class=\"MainTable\">  <tr>    <td>    <div align=\"center\">    </div>    </td>  </tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"49621\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=1b127bd950cf16580ed0c1b472d5ea70&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />\"dogs appear to \"love\" us precisely because we've selected for just that impression over millenia of canine domestication.\"<br><br>googlebooks won't let me read the whole thing, but provided this speculation is accurate how is this any different from love in humans? <br><br>also how would one morally distinguish between levels of pain if the only acceptable measure is the subjective experience of humans?<br /><span class=\"byline\">           traxus4420 | <a href=\"http://traxus4420.wordpress.com\" title=\"http://traxus4420.wordpress.com\">Homepage</a> | 07.23.08 - 10:38 pm | <a href=\"#49621\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"49789\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=1b127bd950cf16580ed0c1b472d5ea70&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />i guess these are sort of old boring questions. but still!<br /><span class=\"byline\">           traxus4420 | 07.25.08 - 9:54 am | <a href=\"#49789\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"49810\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=b16ef03bd2985f0aad82ff2cb587be8e&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />When you talk about morally distinguishing between levels of pain, are you talking about how we choose between human pain and animal pain? I think in the absence of a machine that lets us see what it's like to be a dog we can rely on the relative neurological complexity of the animals in question. In general<br><br>* Avoid hurting animals unnecessarily;<br>* on the those occasions when it is necessary to hurt animals in order to prevent human pain, hurt them as little as possible.<br><br>seems like a good starting place for an ethical maxim.<br><br>Or is that not what you were aiming at?<br /><span class=\"byline\">           G C | <a href=\"http://gerrycanavan.blogspot.com\" title=\"http://gerrycanavan.blogspot.com\">Homepage</a> | 07.25.08 - 1:13 pm | <a href=\"#49810\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"49836\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=1b127bd950cf16580ed0c1b472d5ea70&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />sorry, both questions (love and pain) were directed at the incomplete dennett excerpt -- he starts to say something about 'serious suffering' and consciousness that gets cut off. from what i know of his position he thinks pain is an exception to the whole qualia thing, but was hoping you could clear that up.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           traxus4420 | <a href=\"http://traxus4420.wordpress.com\" title=\"http://traxus4420.wordpress.com\">Homepage</a> | 07.25.08 - 5:30 pm | <a href=\"#49836\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr>    <td class=\"InputCell\">                  <div id=\"newcomment\"></div><form method=\"post\" name=\"addComment\" action=\"http://www.haloscan.com/comments/culturemonkey/4532131643476969740/\" target=\"_self\">        <p>    Name: <br />          <input name=\"name\" type=\"text\" size=\"38\" value=\"\" /><br />          Email:<br />          <input name=\"email\" type=\"text\" size=\"38\" value=\"\" /><br />          URL: <br />          <input name=\"url\" type=\"text\" size=\"38\" value=\"\" /><br />          Comment:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"javascript:emo_pop()\" title=\"Smiley and tag help\" target=\"_self\">?</a>&nbsp;<br />          <textarea name=\"addMessage\" rows=\"12\" cols=\"38\"></textarea><br /><input type=\"checkbox\" name=\"subscribe\" id=\"subscribe\" value=\"1\" /><label for=\"subscribe\">Notify me of followup comments via email</label>        </p>        <p class=\"PSubmit\"><input name=\"submit\" type=\"submit\" value=\"Publish\" style=\"font-weight: bold;\" class=\"SubmitButton\" />&nbsp;<input name=\"previewMessage\" type=\"submit\" value=\"Preview\" class=\"SubmitButton\" />        </p>      <input type='hidden' name='user' value='culturemonkey' /><input type='hidden' name='comment' value='4532131643476969740' /></form>    </td></tr>  <tr>    <td><p align=\"center\">        Commenting by <a href=\"http://www.haloscan.com/\" target=\"_blank\">HaloScan</a></p>      </td>  </tr></table><img src=\"http://c5.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=561713&amp;java=0&amp;security=01eeff58\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\" /></body>");