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Oh dear, Dreadnought, you really should shave before you go to work!
So are you saying your intention in commenting on Troppo is to irritate? I don't at all object to provocative comment s or arguments contrary to my position, but perhaps you should do a bit of reflection on your motivations now that you're crowing about a "low key blog war".
And your comment that I feel the need to see Germans as victims is untrue and your distortion of my post quite malicious.
Oh dear, Dreadnought, you really should shave before you go to work!
So are you saying your intention in commenting on Troppo is to irritate? I don't at all object to provocative comment s or arguments contrary to my position, but perhaps you should do a bit of reflection on your motivations now that you're crowing about a "low key blog war".
And your comment that I feel the need to see Germans as victims is untrue and your distortion of my post quite malicious.
I've taken the time to read your post in more detail. I find the imputation that I'm a historical revisionist engaged in defending Nazis highly offensive. It is untrue, as any fair minded reader of my post would conclude. Accordingly, I'd like you to retract this claim and apologise.
I've taken the time to read your post in more detail. I find the imputation that I'm a historical revisionist engaged in defending Nazis highly offensive. It is untrue, as any fair minded reader of my post would conclude. Accordingly, I'd like you to retract this claim and apologise.
I thought I'd offer some personal background to why I find Dreadnought's comments so offensive (although they would be in any event).
My family has two branches in Australia - in SA and Qld (originally settled on the Darling Downs). As with a lot of other German-Australians, my ancestors' motivation for emigrating in was (in part) religious and political freedom. Again, in common with others, the community into which my father was born was very resistant to Nazi overtures in the 30s. Most people probably know that most of the German place names in Queensland were changed in WW1 - Marburg being the only exception, I think.
But it's one reason I deeply resent the imputation that I am in some way defending Hitler and Nazism. Nothing could be further from the truth.
All this might be amusing to you, Dreadnought, but I'm a human being with feelings. You call yourself a Christian, apparently.
I thought I'd offer some personal background to why I find Dreadnought's comments so offensive (although they would be in any event).
My family has two branches in Australia - in SA and Qld (originally settled on the Darling Downs). As with a lot of other German-Australians, my ancestors' motivation for emigrating in was (in part) religious and political freedom. Again, in common with others, the community into which my father was born was very resistant to Nazi overtures in the 30s. Most people probably know that most of the German place names in Queensland were changed in WW1 - Marburg being the only exception, I think.
But it's one reason I deeply resent the imputation that I am in some way defending Hitler and Nazism. Nothing could be further from the truth.
All this might be amusing to you, Dreadnought, but I'm a human being with feelings. You call yourself a Christian, apparently.
I apologise for hurting your feelings Mark, but I cannot retract my comments. For one I believe in free speech and I also stand by my conclusions.
How else could one interpret your post on Sebald?
I defy anyone to claim that one could not reasonably conclude from the post in question (particularly your sympathetic assent to Sebald's "need to see the Germans depicted, for once, as victims") that you are engaged in revising history to make the Nazis look better.
Germans at that stage were mostly Nazis, making WWII Germans look better is making Nazis look better. This is not an absurd conclusion Mark.
If you don't feel like standing on what you've written, perhaps you should retract your post.
I apologise for hurting your feelings Mark, but I cannot retract my comments. For one I believe in free speech and I also stand by my conclusions.
How else could one interpret your post on Sebald?
I defy anyone to claim that one could not reasonably conclude from the post in question (particularly your sympathetic assent to Sebald's "need to see the Germans depicted, for once, as victims") that you are engaged in revising history to make the Nazis look better.
Germans at that stage were mostly Nazis, making WWII Germans look better is making Nazis look better. This is not an absurd conclusion Mark.
If you don't feel like standing on what you've written, perhaps you should retract your post.
As for my motivation, trivialising my very real concern and outrage by pretending it is some sort of attempt to carry on a useless irritation, is offensive.
It only compounds the insult to my family, our nation's history and truth in writing that your post already represented.
As for my motivation, trivialising my very real concern and outrage by pretending it is some sort of attempt to carry on a useless irritation, is offensive.
It only compounds the insult to my family, our nation's history and truth in writing that your post already represented.
I shaved this morning without incident, pleasantly.
I shaved this morning without incident, pleasantly.
Finally, I always get more than a little wary when people request that posts be removed. If you cannot defeat me at argument then you were wrong in the first place.
But if you defeat me, I apologise. Just ask Mike Jericho.
Your post seriously disturbed me Mark.
To the grandson of labour camp internees and a survivor of Dachau your post was tremendously upsetting. To a man concerned with human rights it was alarming. To an Australian aware of the noble sacrifice of fallen fighters it came close to being an outrage.
Finally, I always get more than a little wary when people request that posts be removed. If you cannot defeat me at argument then you were wrong in the first place.
But if you defeat me, I apologise. Just ask Mike Jericho.
Your post seriously disturbed me Mark.
To the grandson of labour camp internees and a survivor of Dachau your post was tremendously upsetting. To a man concerned with human rights it was alarming. To an Australian aware of the noble sacrifice of fallen fighters it came close to being an outrage.
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