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Biblical Evidence Concerning Alleged Marian Excesses by Pope Benedict XVI, the Immaculate Heart of Mary Devotion, and Mary Mediatrix
[25 November 2008]
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I have nothing intelligent to add to your fine article but a typo correction.
"[If someone says that God is mentioned in the second part, the Calvinist "monergist" still has to explain how a human being can participate at all in what only God can do (according go the monergist) ]"
...according to the monergist
Thanks!
Nice write up. Thanks!
Many thanks, Dave, for all these links and for your clear exposition.
I am also on my way to Rome, from a Calvinist background, and have to admit that some of the flowery poems and Marian prayers had me doubting my decision to convert.
You have convinced me that my study of Marialogy and the traditions in this regard had been much too shallow.
I have to thank you for the great work you have been doing for so many years already. I just love visiting your site.
God bless you, Dave.
You're very kind, Catherina. May God bless you on your journey. I'm at your service if I can be of any assistance. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, too.
As a cradle Catholic this is one thing that I never understood. Though devotion to the blessed Virgin it is never over the top.
There is only one reason why Mary is important and that is because of Jesus.
Again even in its deepest expression it is Marian devotion always, and I know of no time when it does not, points to Jesus.
Dave could you please remove my email from this link
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i perhap inadvertently put it there, i will get a lot of spam in my inbox. Please thank!
More higher view of Jesus more higher view of Mary.
No Mary, No Jesus.
Know Mary, Know Jesus.
(I didn't come up with that)
Will do, gamesport. You should use brackets and write out "dot" and "at" when listing email online. A little trick I've learned . . .
Hi Dave, do you think the fact that most Protestants do not have same kind of understanding concerning the sacraments nor recognize the Mass as a sacrifice have something to do with their inability to distinguish between worship to be given to God alone and the devotion we show Mary and the saints?
Yep. I think that is certainly one of the reasons why. When you think that asking saints in heaven to pray for us is itself prayer, which is a form of worship, which of course can only be given to God, then you come out with this belief.
It is the several unproven assumptions in that chain of reasoning that are the problem. And trying to break that down with the Bible and reason doesn't always work, since most of the thought wasn't formed at all by virtue of those two things. Most of it is force of habit and the Protestant ethos, that gets absorbed almost without thinking.
I have posted additional comments (after the three asterisks) as of 4 PM EST, Friday 11-28-08.
Hello Dave
Firstly your article reached me all the way to South Africa. As a protestant in the Dutch reformed church I was actually brought up to believe that the Catholic Church is some evil sect. But funny even though this was “brainwashed” in our minds I was always drawn and intrigued by the Catholics. I am still a protestant and even though I have never been fully comfortable with the different doctrines from different forms of Protestantism the Marian doctrines is still for me very, very hard to swallow/understand. I only recently studied on the web the basics of the Catholic Church and have to admit that a lot of doctrines do justify some burning questions I never could explain via my Protestant upbringing, but still the thought of worshipping any-one else other than God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit is so difficult for me to comprehend. Even though you attempt to provide Biblical references it stil is so vague. I would love to know when this was first practiced, and was hoping you could lead me to some literature.
To conclude I have far more “problems” with protestant teachings in a way. (Can never understand why they keep on changing with the times) but as said above cannot comprehend to worship anyone else than God. Any advice?
Thanks for Listening
Pieter
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