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See the comments under this post:
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2...yrs-
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Follower of Jesus Christ |
02.09.08 - 12:40 pm | #
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See the post above.
Dave Armstrong |
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02.09.08 - 1:37 pm | #
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Dave,
Great post and I hope these men and women will pray for the church in the difficult times ahead and inspire of by their example. One small quibble: is it posisble that you are listing under the heading of "English" saome who were, perhpas Welsh. YOu mention the number of English killed and the number of Irish, but give no figures for Wales. As a person of Welsh ancestory (on my mother's side) I can assure you that this is not the way to win yourself friends amoung the children of St. David :P
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I listed people as Welsh whenever this was mentioned (eight times by my count). Wales was politically part of England since 1536, which is only two years after Henrys' butcheries began. I see no separate listing in the Catholic Encyclopedia.
The Church recognizes the "Forty Martyrs of England and Wales":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
For...gland_and_Wales
That's the best I can do. If there were further ways of distinguishing Welsh martyrs, I would do so. Being partly Scottish and Irish myself, I wholly recognize the importance of such distinctions! 
Dave Armstrong |
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02.09.08 - 5:18 pm | #
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You don't think the English had reason to be wary of Roman Catholicism considering the mass butchery Romanists had performed prior to and during Henry's reign? Are you writing in a historical vacuum on purpose?
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02.09.08 - 7:57 pm | #
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Perhaps people may wish to obtain a more personal account of how these martyrs for the faith lived and died. If that is the case, I would suggest "Edmund Campion, Jesuit and Martyr" by Evelyn Waugh. While I have the older Image edition, the book is back in print.
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02.09.08 - 8:49 pm | #
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FOJC,
Your last comment is rather long on vagueness and short on details. Please provide historical examples of the mass butchery the "Romanists" supposedly had performed "before and during Henry's reign" that you are talking about. The spiritual myopia you are apparently suffering from can be corrected through the lens of history.
BTW, this is from Campion's Brag:
"If these my offers be refused, and my endeavors can take no place, and I, having run thousands of miles to do you good, shall be rewarded with rigour, I have no more to say but to recommend your case and mine to Almighty God, the Searcher of Hearts, who sends us His grace, and set us at accord before the day of payment, to the end we may at last be friends in heaven, when all injuries shall be forgotten."
These words certainly posed a threat to England and "Good Queen Bess" and for uttering such Campion deserved death, didn't he?
Paul Hoffer |
02.09.08 - 9:45 pm | #
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You don't think the English had reason to be wary of Roman Catholicism considering the mass butchery Romanists had performed prior to and during Henry's reign?
History records no "mass butchery" at the hands of Catholics prior to or during the reign of Henry VIII. In England, during the century or so that the "Comburendo" statute was in force, there were a little more than 100 heretics burned at the stake in England.
However, history does record that Henry VIII engaged in what could be called "mass butchery" of those Catholics who dared resist his tyrannical and heretical actions against the Church. You claim that Henry's sins are justified because of prior sins (or alleged sins) of Catholics, but St. Paul says we are not to do evil that good may come of it.
Finally, England did not have reason to be "wary" of Catholics until the rulers of England decide to force a new, false religion upon the English people.
In all this matter, it is clear that you are writing in historical ignorance. Please read some serious historical writing on the English Reformation, and leave aside the old Protestant propaganda. Duffy's "Stripping of the Altars" would be a good place to start, I would think.
Jordan Potter |
02.10.08 - 3:35 pm | #
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Check out what John Calvin said about Queen Elizabeth, in a quote I added to the top of the post.
Dave Armstrong |
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02.13.08 - 2:11 pm | #
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