Seeing the Forest

Gravatar The race is exactly tied, dude. That means that EVERY vote for a Green is a vote for Bush.

Is that what you want?


Gravatar No, every vote for a green is a vote for a green. If you can't win elections based on the positions you take, maybe YOU should consider changing those positions. Yelling at people who take superior positions (and people who vote for them) doesn't seem to have worked in 2000. Maybe if you lose again in 2004, you'll reconsider, though I doubt it.


Gravatar If we lose in 2004, that's the ball game. Don't you get it? You really think there will be an honest election again in the US, if the Right is able to consolidate control? Seriously.


Gravatar If you move left, pick up one on your left and lose one on your right, then you've spent a lot of energy to no good purpose. BTW, obviously the Greens didn't win with the positions they took; perhaps they should change their positions... or is it only someone else who needs to change?


Gravatar Winning isn't everything. I'm not the one yelling at people because we have to win or it will be the end of the world. You want to vote demo, go ahead.

In spite of my BLOOD OATH never to vote demo again, I will probably do it, even though I live in California. I've been trying to find a vote swap, but no email yet. I feel like a complete fool, being swept up in the lesser of evils crap. But just this one last time. I swear (again) that this is it. I will never vote demo after this.


Gravatar Kerry's "global test" for preemptive war and his discussion of legitimacy are about preserving international law, which only matters because of legitimacy (there's no coercive power of the state).

Kerry supports the US re-entering the Kyoto negotiation process. He also supported the McCain-Lieberman Stewardship bill that would have required EPA to regulate greenhouse gas emissions. 43 Senators voted for it in October 2003.

Kerry calls for big changes in the Patriot Act.

Kerry supports a higher minimum wage, which is clearly a step towards a living wage.

Kerry supports a wide variety of reductions in corporate welfare.

Kerry is against further corporate consolidation of media and wants greater diversity.

Kerry supports paper ballots, of course, and has sought amendments to McCain-Feingold that would move towards partial public financing of campaigns. He has also sought to make election day a half-day national holiday (to allow voting).

The green agenda isn't all that different from the Democratic agenda.

Really. Kerry is arguably the most progressive Presidential candidate since JFK.


Gravatar Well Bush says he's the most liberal senatior EVER!


Gravatar When asked about single-payer health care, (I saw this live!) Kerry said "America doesn't need a Canadian solution". Not only is he wrong about health care, but he's a demagogue on the issue. I didn't really need to see a lot more. And I haven't. The guy is a MEMBER OF THE DLC! What else do you want to know? (Before you say "everybody is in the DLC", recall that Howard Dean is NOT, Dennis Kucinich is NOT.)


Gravatar "Winning isn't everything."

Actually, in this case, with this president and this administration, you could make the case that *it really is*. Lose and you lose the SCOTUS for a few decades, you lose the remaining shreds of the rules that used to govern Congress, and you certainly lose all accountability in the executive. In his FIRST term, his guys already advanced the idea that he is above the law. What'll they do for an encore?


Gravatar Kerry wasn't "the DLC candidate" in 2004.

Members of the DLC almost surely favored Lieberman, Graham, and Edwards over Kerry. Clark was more ideologically aligned as well and Gephardt more of an "insider."

Dean may not be DLC, but the Gov. had a more conservative record than Kerry on some issues. Truly.

I'll grant that Kerry is less progressive than Kucinich, Mosley-Braun, and Sharpton. However, these candidates all agree on a wide array of important issues.

And they disagree with the Republicans.

Likewise, Greens agree with Kerry on a large number of issues and disagree more vehemently with Republicans.

Really.


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