Can you not particularly like any of the dogs in the fight?
Donohue is a big jerk and I haven't bought a Domino's pizza since I first got wind of his schtick. I wonder how his Catholics only city in Florida is going these days. Abe Foxman? His ADL ran a spy ring in the SF Bay Area spying on groups across the extreme right to the left: anti-apartheid groups, Filipino student groups, politicians, public television stations, and even my letter carriers union among other unions. Used a SFPD undercover agent who apparently did part-time work torturing people in foreign countries for the CIA. Had pictures of it in his police locker. When people asked how come they were spying Foxman insinuated that everyone they spied on was anti-Semitic. Really nice. That's the way to bring us all together. And Amanda Marcotte has been spouting hate speech and lies about the men being falsely prosecuted in the Duke case.
I'll vote for a three-way cage match about now.
Mel Gibson belongs to one of the breakaway Catholic groups whose members broke with the Vatican after Vatican II. Mel's not a member in good standing with the Roman Catholic church. Donohue is a member of the Roman Catholic church as am I, but he doesn't speak for me or a lot of other Catholics. Frankly, I regard him as an embarrassment to the Church. The Catholic League's board includes such right-wing luminaries as Kate O'Beirne, Dinesh D'Souza and L. Brent Bozell. As Frank Cocozzelli has noted, Donohue is more interested in promoting a theocon world view and attacking people for any criticism of the institutional Church, no matter how legitimate it is. The problem is that he speaks for a lot of people with money and clout in the American Roman Catholic Church, and his brand of conservatism has been in vogue in the Vatican beginning during the papacy of John Paul II.
Of course, it's not just Jews Donohue will smear. Here's what he said about Mark Foley:
“As for the alleged abuse, it’s time to ask some tough questions. First, there is a huge difference between being groped and being raped, so which was it Mr. Foley? Second, why didn’t you just smack the clergyman in the face? After all, most 15-year-old teenage boys wouldn’t allow themselves to be molested. So why did you?”
Donohue's a despicable, vile man.
Prompted by a question in the comments on Media Matters' item about the Donahue-Beinart face-off, I did a little digging at The Forward's site. While I can't claim that the effort is exhaustive, I could only find two cases in which The Forward carried a reference to some form of "Jews control Hollywood" in 2004. (I searched on various options, including Jew and Jewish as well as control, controlled, and run.)
One was on March 12, 2004, when Bill O'Reilly was quoted as asking if the protests of "The Passion of the Christ" were because "the major media in Hollywood and a lot of the secular press is controlled by Jewish people."
The other was on December 24, 2004, and again it was a case of an article quoting someone. This time, the speaker was - guess who - Bill Donahue, saying the very thing Beinart went after him for.
What. A. Liar.
This buffoon is certainly receiving a lot of free publicity in Blogtopia (y,sst) today.
The purpose of the Catholic League is not to legitimately fight bigotry, but rather to weasel money out of unsuspecting Catholics... sums it up quite nicely. What was it PT Barnum had to say?
Here's the general rule of thumb for understanding the mindset of Dominionists
Dominionists consider not being allowed to persecute others a form of persecution against themselves.
Now if only more people in the press would catch on to this ruse.
He is also a rather crass opportunist, an operator, and a liar.
I believe the word you're looking for is "sociopath."
http://www.bullyonline.org/workb...ully/
serial.htm
Giles Whittell, writing for the Times On Line [link expired], interviewed Dr. Robert Hare, who, along with his colleague Dr Paul Babiak, will publish a book called Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go To Work. Hare defined psychopathy for modern scientists with an exhaustive questionnaire called the Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R). Introduced in 1980 it has become an internationally recognized tool for identifying psychopaths. From the article:
. . the PCL-R revealed that psychopaths are everywhere. Most are non-violent, but all leave a trail of havoc through their families and work environments, using and abusing colleagues and loved ones, endlessly manipulating others, constantly reinventing themselves. Hare puts the average North American incidence of psychopathy at 1 per cent of the population, but the damage they inflict on society is out of all proportion to their numbers, not least because they gravitate to high-profile professions that offer the promise of control over others, such as law, politics, business management ... and journalism.
[...]
Hare and Babiak will also produce a new diagnostic tool based on the PCL-R but designed to help businesses to keep their recruits and senior management psychopath-free.
Enter the B-Scan. It won't be available to everyone, and it won't be free. If you are B-Scanned, it won't be you answering the questions. It will be your colleagues, grading your personal style, interpersonal relations, organizational maturity and antisocial tendencies according to 16 buzz words, none of them uplifting. They include the following: insincere, arrogant, insensitive, remorseless, shallow, impatient, erratic, unreliable, unfocused, parasitic, dramatic, unethical and bullying.
A lot of these right-wingers are really just shilling for the money and prestiege, but based on how he argues I honestly believe Donohue is a true, text-book sociopath.
Let's try this Donohue/sociopath link. Talk about a dead on description of the man.
http://www.bullyonline.org/
workb...l.htm#Sociopath
Favorite quote, as relates to the "liberal" media's many ongoing relationships with sociopaths like Donohue [inserts mine]:
is likely to be surrounded by people [press] who, having been subjected to control, manipulation and punishment by the sociopath [in this case:Right-Wing Noise Machine], look wretched and who start to exhibit behaviour best described as disordered, dysfunctional, sullen, aggressive, defensive, hostile, retaliatory, counterproductive or cult-like and for whom disbelief, disavowal and denial are instinctive responses
Sounds alot like our modern media, don't it?
Don't you know that, according to Left Blogistan, citing someone's own words is "smearing" her? Shame on you for your smear campaign!
MindWar:CivilWar
The Strange Case of Ahmed Chalabi
Bush´s Terror Scam
Google a picture of Mel Gibson and a picture of Abe Foxman, or any other Hebrew male for that matter.
Ask yourself which one looks more honest. Which one would you buy a used car from? Which one you'd entrust to be your elderly mother's financial advisor. The "foxman" or the real man.
funny stuff> The media looks as if it is controlled by Irish Catholics. Jack Welch? Tweety? Murdoch? o'reilly
the Catholic League...the ADL...both very quick to label as anti-Catholic or anti-Semite anyone who says what they prefer not to hear.
let's not outsource our thinking to either.
Its pretty plain the Donohue is not only attacking anyone who criticizes anything remotely related to the catholic church, but that the man is a raving anti-semite. He needs to be thoroughly outed so he no longer appears on talk shows as a representative of "mainstream catholic" opinion.
It's purely a matter of time before he accuses Jesus H. Christ to be an anti-catholic bigot (and a Jew of course) 
"Ask yourself which one looks more honest."
I will admit, Mel Gibson is entirely honest in denying the Holocaust.
"Which one would you buy a used car from?"
I ride the bus. Wrong assumption, mutant!
"Which one you'd entrust to be your elderly mother's financial advisor."
My "elderly" mother does quite well on her own with that. Seeing as she's in her late 40's and all. Granny's crazy, but then she always was.
"The "foxman" or the real man."
"Dear God, these Jews are made of straw! Foxes and straw! And acid!"
Don't you know that, according to Left Blogistan, citing someone's own words is "smearing" her? Shame on you for your smear campaign!
Um, no, it's taking someone's words out of context and then attempting to make them mean something other than what they actually do mean (which the context makes clear; hence its banishment).
Nice try, though.
The board of advisors of the Catholic League is not exactly non-partisan *or* apolitical:
Brent Bozell III
Gerard Bradley
Linda Chavez
Robert Destro
Dinesh D’Souza
Laura Garcia
Robert George
Mary Ann Glendon
Dolores Grier
Alan Keyes
Stephen Krason
Lawrence Kudlow
Thomas Monaghan
Michael Novak
Kate O’Beirne
Thomas Reeves
Patrick Riley
Robert Royal
Russell Shaw
William Simon, Jr.
Paul Vitz
George Weigel
(hat tip Sadly, No!)
Spencer : what's the full context that you think is lacking?
Um, no, it's taking someone's words out of context and then attempting to make them mean something other than what they actually do mean (which the context makes clear; hence its banishment).
Nice try, though.
Claiming a citation has been taken out of context is easy. Where's the beef?
Didn't Protestants used to believe that the individual was responsible for interpreting scripture and speaking for his own beliefs while Catholics believed that the Papacy was responsible for interpreting scripture and speaking for the spiritual beliefs of all of its members?
Why do we now get Protestant preachers telling us all what Christianity really is and Catholic laity claiming to speak for the spiritual beliefs of all Catholics?
Hey, Dave.
I'm fat. I'm also a loving husband and father. I'm expecting my first grandchild.
I'm fat. I've been reading your blog for some time, and for the most part I enjoy it. The johnny-one-note aspect gets to me once in a while, but if I don't want to read an entry, I just skip over it. I did order "Strawberry Days" and I liked it a lot.
I'm fat. I'm a Vietnam-Era veteran, and I hate the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'm fat. I'm so fucking liberal, my eighty year-old mother can't decide if I'm a communist or an anarchist (her words). She is, however, convinced that I'm going to hell because I'm an atheist.
Did I mention that I'm fat? Is that what defines me? Am I just a big fat [Dad - Liberal - Son - Husband]?
If so, let me know, and I'll add you to the long list of hypocrites that preach one thing, then act entirely different. And I'll move on to blogs where the fact that I'm fat, or anyone else is fat, is irrelevant.
If not, think twice before you call someone a "big fat" anything. Bill Donohue is an asshole, pure and simple. But he would be an asshole regardless of his weight. And when you make an issue of his weight in a discussion that has nothing to do with weight, it makes you an asshole too.
Big Fat Liberal:
"Big fat" anything isn't referring to anyone's physical condition -- its use here refers to someone swollen up with bigotry.
Didja send off a letter to Al Franken too?
I know a real Christian, not one of these fake republican't "christians" who said "The Passion of the Christ" was a violent snuff film.
And Christians celebrate Christ's rebirth, not his death.
Depends
There is the "he died so we may live (and will not be damned)" school of thinking that considers the resurrection just as God's visible stamp of approval.
This has of course nothing to do with an obsession about the cruel details.
I can only speak for German protestantism but usually Good Friday is considered the more important event over here (while Catholics and Orthodox concentrate more on Easter).
Pietism has a tradition of "com-passion" though, i.e. pietist literature/songs goes into far more detail about the suffering of Christ to evoke more emotion about what he has done for us. But the typical pietist I know would be repelled by Gibson's movie (if they would go to cinema at all, many never do on principle).
Thumb: Funny thing. I've got "Snakes in Suits" right next to me, right this minute -- because I was getting ready to blog on it this very morning.
Thanks for the cue. Please stand by.
Haha--I love how you liberal cruds get your panties in a bundle when someone goes against YOUR secular humanist religion. How dare Donohue defend Catholics from secular jews in Hymiewood! Doesn't he know that Catholics are supposed to take whatever vileness the liberal media has to dish out without so much as a peep of protest!?
Pathetic. Anyway, regarding Donohue, he's pretty much right about everything, even if he does put it bluntly. And no, for you liberal weenies and whinies, he's decidedly not "anti-semitic." He's not attacking orthodox jews--REAL jews--who are probably largely in agreement with his cultural views.
Regarding Mel, it must really BURN the Hymiewood crowd that a gentile like Mel Gibson, and a traditional Catholic to boot(!), is the greatest epic filmmaker in "the Business" today! They must burn with bile every night over that one! As far as his father, he makes some good points amid all the nuttiness--but who cares? He's not speaking for Mel.
At any rate, I think it's time to stop whining that religious and traditionally-minded people are finally fighting back. What did you expect? And Peter Beinart is a lisping poodle-boy.
Commenting by HaloScan
