The Dawn Patrol: Comments

Must...resist urge...to pray rosary...just to piss people off...

I'm surprised they don't have a sticker saying, "I got your 'glorious mysteries' right here."

Anyway, welcome back, Dawn, and congrats on finishing the book. I hope it makes you rich and famous, or at least comfortable and influential.


Thanks for the good wishes, Kate.

Good point about its not being good to whip out the beads just to annoy people. The Antagonistic Mysteries are only every sixth Thursday of a month with a "Q" in it.


I meant to write and congratulate you yesterday for finishing your book. That is quite an achievement. I can't wait to see it in print!

On the matter at hand-- I suppose we can keep on writing our representatives but I see absolutely no desire on their parts to do anything. I have written to both of my senators before about PP. My one, Sessions, doesn't bother to answer mail at all. The other, Shelby, who you would suppose would be interested, writes back with soothing boilerplate that amounts to, "tsk, tsk, aren't they a concern ... not". I would be very interested to know, if anyone gets/has gotten any of their representatives the least bit interested. I am going to guess no because PP is entrenched and powerful. Do we have a single representative with the energy, courage and power do go after them?


Keep Jehovah off my ova.

Keep your Gleti off my feti.

I would be very interested to know, if anyone gets/has gotten any of their representatives the least bit interested.

I talked to my Senators, Hillary Clinton and Charles Schumer, last night and they promised to use every euphemism at their disposal to make it appear that they are agreeing with me.


Welcome back, Dawn!


The Rev can say what he wants about where God stands while children are aborted - but he should at least note that God has spoken for Himself as well: "For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; wonderful are Your works, and my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from You, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth; Your eyes have seen my unformed substance; and in Your book were all written the days that were ordained for me, when as yet there was not one of them." (Psalm 139:13-16)

Or maybe Jeremiah 1:4-5: "Now the word of the LORD came to me saying, 'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations.'"

And then there's Isaiah, several other Psalms... Maybe Rev. Pawlowski belongs to one of those progressive sects that has moved beyond the need for Bibles.


What glamor shot did your publisher pick to put on the cover?


RA--

Wow! That's exactly what my senators wrote back to me when I wrote them about parental notification laws and embryonic stem-cell research. Sweet! No one can withstand the power of a consensus!

Now, if I could just get everyone in Washington to agree on the correct spelling of Janquary, we could all go and pray the Antagonistic Mysteries outside bumber-sticker shops.


First off - Welcome Back!!!!

Now as for me keeping my Rosary off their ovaries - no problem. I can't thinks of any conceivable circumstance where that could happen anyway. I mean be serious.

Using their same logic - Bullets are cheaper than Diapers also. I mean if you already support infanticide in PBA it only follows.


Congrats on finishing the book and welcome back to blogging...


Thanks be to God! Alleluia! Alleluia!

(Works better when chanted at the end of mass during Easter season, but you get the idea. Congratulations on finishing your book.)


Thanks for your work. And, to join the swelling chorus, congratulations and welcome back, from a confirmed Wesleyan.


Welcome back, Dawn!


It's good to see you and your site back up and running!


Exactly the same here in Canada. Henry Morgentaler, Canada's most notorious abortionist, took frequent swipes at the Catholic Church over the years.


Thanks so much for all the good wishes. Will post more about the book tonight.

I like Jeff's comment, "Now as for me keeping my Rosary off their ovaries - no problem. I can't thinks of any conceivable circumstance where that could happen anyway. I mean be serious."


How about these:

Keep your crucifix off of my blastocyst.

Keep your proselytizing away from my fertilizing.

Keep your canonicals off of my follicles.

Keep your lumen gentium off of my corpus lutem.

Okay, those don't really rhyme. But neither do Rosaries and ovaries.


Keep your lumen gentium off of my corpus lutem.

Now all my co-workers are going to wonder why I can't stop laughing...


Dawn,

Have you contacted PP and asked for a formal response to their position with regard to the RC Church, as opposed to Judaism, Islam, and others? It would probably make some amazing reading to see how they try to justify the "rosaries/ovaries" comments and at the same time abstain from passing judgement on the positions of other major religions.

One of the most enjoyable positions for anyone in a debate/discussion to take is that of "hands-off"; meaning the other side has to justify what it has said, in ALL contexts, and do so using fact-based arguments rather than ad hominem attacks. Please, please, make PP put themselves in the position of having to acknowledge that they take a different position towards the RC Church than any other - or else explain why they never bring up Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Scientologists, etc. in their 'literature'.

And welcome back. We've missed you!


Oh for the love of Pete! They are so reliant on rhetoric and catch phrases it's laughable...

I'm you'll be back, Dawn!


Keep your encyclicals off my testicles? Oh wait, abortion has nothing to do with men...

Keep your Humanae Vitae out of my roll in the hay?

Keep Kate B. away from too much time free?


You have no idea how relieved I am to have you back.


I guess this just might be one of the reasons that the PC(USA) continues to lose congregants on a yearly basis.


We shouldn't be helping PP. We should be making our own bumper stickers.

Keep your plasticine off my blastocyne? Keep your scissors off my fissure? Dunno. It's hard.


Dawn,
I hate to tell you this, but:
1. You're not exactly scooping anybody with this story. This bumper sticker has been around for a long time.
2. PP didn't come up with the slogan. Sorry.


Amanda, it's not a question of whether it's a "scoop" or whether Planned Parenthood created the sticker. Planned Parenthood receives over a quarter-billion in taxpayer funds annually. It also sells, on its chapters' Web sites, products that promote hatred and bigotry against a particular religious group: Catholics. Taxpayers have a right to demand that their money not be given to groups that promote hatred.


Ironic:

1. Abortion doesn't have anything to do with ovaries unless some quack yanks them out by mistake while trying to extract the fetus. So it's the canula and forceps that need to be kept off the ovaries, not the ovaries.

2. The people obsessed with ovaries are all the prochoice! They're the ones up in arms that women are out there with functioning ovaries and trying to push Pills and Norplant and so forth. As far as I've seen, Catholics seem to have a positive attitude toward ovulation!


How about a Pro-Life slogan:

Keep your forceps off her fetus!


How about:

Keep your scapegoat off my zygote.

Or to keep it ecumenical:

Keep your God off my bod.

Welcome back.


An old friend of mine had a bumper sticker on his car showing a baby seal carrying a sign that said, "Save the Baby Humans"


First, welcome back. It's great to hear your book is done. I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Second, just wanted to mention that Richard Neuhaus writes about the anti-Catholic strategy of th late 60s-early 70s in this month's First Things. Seems that it took a while, but NARAL's approach backfired. Conservative evangelicals, long fiercely anti-Catholic, eventually began looking at Rome with new respect, and eventually they joined forces to try to turn back the anti-life tide.


I noticed something about the EC poster - it says 5 days after sex. Did you know that the FDA only approves it for 72 hours post-coitus?
I wonder if there are some issues here that skirt legality. I know that the drug reps get into BIG BAD TROUBLE if they promote off-label use of their products (even when that off-lable use is based on good research and has become standard of practice).
Actually, since PP isn't the manufacturer of the Plan B brand, they are probably protected - but it would be interesting to find out for sure. (PS - the 5 day effect is pretty much acknowledging a possible post-fertilization effect.....)


Yay, she's back! Dawn, I look forward to daily reading of the Dawn Patrol :)

As for pro-life slogans, here are some of my favorites from visitors at Abortion Answers:

Keep Margaret Sanger away from those hangers.

Keep your lies from my thighs

Keep your knives away from those lives.

And one I've come up with:
Pro-woman? That's a lie, you don't care if women die!

This is in reference to the women who've died as a result of having a legal abortion, whose death pro-choicers often minimize in an effort to keep a positive image of legalized abortion.


Alicia,
Really? The women's health clinic at Indiana State University said that it can only be used up to 72 hours...and after that I imagine it's not nearly as effective.


Well, we knew if *WE* kept coming back you would too! :)

Hope the book is everything you need it to be!

If this is coming down to my Senators and Congressmen or my Rosary - well, I'm putting everything I've got on my Rosary. I've already seen it work wonders in *my* life - certainly nothing I can say that Schumer or Clinton have been able to do!

"Keep your Deuteronomy off my physiognomy." . . . "Keep your Torah—I'm a whore-ah."

You are priceless lady, priceless.


"Babies are disgusting little poopy things that cry like monsters and drain your wallet."

Sure, but there's a downside, too.


Sorry, Dawn, but the ads in question are hardly an example of "anti-Catholic hatred." Calling the millions of women who, unlike you, believe they have the intelligence and autonomy to make their own decisions about their own reproductive system murderers? Now that's hatred. In contrast, the examples you cite are harmless (and humorous) expressions of opposition to the "official" Catholic position on abortion and birth control. ("Official" as in originating from the Vatican; most American Catholics disagree.) Why Catholics (and not Orthodox Jews or Fundamentalist Muslims or other religious sects opposed to abortion and birth control)? Who knows. Maybe it has something to do with the Church's vocal lobbying on the issue. Now, the Church, as any religious group, is perfectly free to set standards for those who adhere to their faith. But when they start lobbying for political change to make ALL members of ALL religions abide by their tenets, they're fair game.

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Sorry, but I'm afraid your senators and congress-entities probably aren't gonna do jack. Too many are on the receiving end of Big Abortion Bucks®. They'll vote for Sam Alito, but then declare their duty done for the year.

The $265 million is the total of taxpayer funding at all levels of government, not just federal.

Start at the local level. Get your state legislators to defund Planned Parenthood first. Planned Parenthood can't buy enough state legislators to keep their cash cow fat and happy in all 50 states. They're already out of the budget in six states ... just 44 more to go!

Once a state defunds Planned Parenthood, it starts getting rather warm for the federal lawmakers who are then out of sync with their brethren and sistren at the state house.

Really, y'all, this has to start at the grass roots. Top-down won't happen.


Schlomo- Your name is about peace and wisdom. We all should have such a beautiful name. More important, we should live up to its meaning always.

I disagree with your expression, created by abortion marketeers, i.e., "reproductive choice". The reproductive choice in question has already been made by the time women choose to abort their babies. The question is what to do with the _result_ of the reproductive choice.
It would be more honest to say that your side would like for women to have the legal abortion-choice to deal with the result of reproduction, consisting of human tissue from a male and a female, trapped within the confines of a particular woman's body.

If you are a married man, as I am, I wonder why you would want that?


"But when they start lobbying for political change to make ALL members of ALL religions abide by their tenets, they're fair game.

The Church isn't lobbying for political change to declare that everyone must pray the Rosary, or believe in Transubstantiation, or even believe in God. This is a biological question. The Church is saying that the product of the human reproductive act is, from the beginning, another human. The question of whether that human ought to try to go to Heaven isn't in the political sphere. Arguing against abortion isn't just a religious tenet, it's a biological one (which is why most religions, as far as I can tell, agree with it).


First off: WELCOME BACK DAWN!!!!
Now to business. I am sure that the "harmless (and humorous)" little epithets are all born out of respect and admiration (/sarcasm). The venom that PP regularly spews toward the Catholic Church (as well as like-minded protestants) is equalled only by that of another organization with an alliterated name (this one consisting of 3 words). When you consier some of the company Maggie Sangar kept, this is hardly surprising.


Who is she that looketh forth as the Dawn, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, terrible as an army with banners?
Song 6:10

Welcome back!


Seems that it took a while, but NARAL's approach backfired. Conservative evangelicals, long fiercely anti-Catholic, eventually began looking at Rome with new respect, and eventually they joined forces to try to turn back the anti-life tide.
I agree. I know of several Protestants who now admire the Catholic Church for its clear stand against abortion. We may not agree on other issues, but this at least has united us.


But when they start lobbying for political change to make ALL members of ALL religions abide by their tenets, they're fair game.

I'm sure you would approve of such harmless (and humorous) expressions of opposition to Martin Luther King, Jr -- a minister, no less, out to force ALL members of ALL religions abide by his tenets.


I hate Planned Parenthood with a passion. I hate how they lead so many people astray, how they tell us to shut up, how they sit on their self-righteous throne made entirely of murdered infants and adulterers. They encourage sin and lies for the sake of profit. What a sick enterprise.


Calling the millions of women who, unlike you, believe they have the intelligence and autonomy to make their own decisions about their own reproductive system murderers?

They don't go to have abortions in order to do something to their own reproductive systems.

If they did, we would not get headlines as we recently did, deploring that dozens of babies survive abortion every year in Great Britain.

Since the baby, living or dead, is no longer in the woman's reproductive system, the point is obviously not removing the baby from the woman's body, but killing it.


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