Gravatar So when are you going to let me join?


Gravatar Hey, my button on my blog looks a little strange, can you check it out and tell me what I did wrong when I added it or would that constitute coming out of lurkdome?


Gravatar Can I join, Rick? How do I do so?


Gravatar Of course, Moneybags! Just go to http://amateurcatholic.blogspot.com and get your B-Team badge to put on you blog. We're going to create a blogroll, so if you want to be on it you'll have to let us know. You'll notice a bunch of paople have put in "applications" and we post them. You are welcome to that if you wish, but it's not required.

In fact it started out as just one possible idea ( http:// amateurcatholic.blogspot....pplication.html ), but sort of took off. Good fun!

Our email there is amateurcatholic@gmail.com. Look forward to hearing from you.


Gravatar Congratulations Rick both on your Amateur Catholic Blog status and on being a finalist in the 2006 Catholic Blog Awards!

God Bless

p,s, I'm glad you're back


Gravatar I wanted to let you know that I sent you my application for Amateur Catholic. If you didn't receive it, please let me know.


Gravatar WHOOT! Welcome.


Gravatar hahahaha... that is so funny!


Gravatar Dear Rick,

Congratulations on the initiative you and your friends have launched. I've added the B-Team blogroll and button to The Dumb Ox and look forward to our association.

All the best,
D. Ox
http://thomistic.blogspot.com


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Gravatar ~yawn~

God, but you're so pathetic. You talk a big game when you're protected by a woman, but you can't say to my face what you say about me on Julie's blog after I've been banned.

You gutless freak.


Gravatar LOL

Please "Anonymous". What is there to say? You've filled the comboxes of no less than seven blogs that I know of with foul-mouth insults and calumnious attacks of a few bloggers. You state you were wronged by those individuals. Maybe you were, maybe you weren't - but based on your unstable and malicious behavior I'm having a hard time garnering any sympathy for you or even considering any credibility on your part. Your behavior strikes me as something far worse than what you are accusing the others for having done.

You've been deleted from here because this is an inactive blog and because of your extremely offensive language. I can take being told "F you" and called an asshole. Perhaps I am one...I know I feel like it sometimes. Though whose behavior here is more characteristic of an asshole? In so many words you have called me a loser. No problem, there's some truth to that. So it's not that I am a gutless freak, just a freak who is trying to regulate the vile comments that you have posted in his forum.

And seriously, you need to get over what's eating you up on the inside. It's not healthy for your mind, body or soul. I've been wronged many times before too (and I have wronged others). It happens...but the high road is to wish good for those who have hurt you and those you have hurt.

I'll pray for you (and that's not an offense - I'll pray that you find peace and have all the good God wills for you).


Gravatar I'm picking the low road straight to hell.

No. I'm not going to 'just get over it'.

You Catholics think you can do whatever you want to people and mock them and sneer at them and make up shit and pass it around and it's okay 'cause you'll just pick up your get-out-of-jail-free card on Saturday afternoon and start all over again right after Mass on Sunday. You think you can tell the person you hurt to just get over it after you've had your fun and gotten your slate wiped clean by the high holy wizard who speaks the magic words.

It doesn't work that way. When you do things to people, there are consequences. Julie did something really shitty to me and she is blatantly denying it and refusing to apologize, and on top of that, she's actively inviting people to join her in her little funfest over at her blog.

You can say you don't believe me and you believe her, but the truth isn't Tinkerbell. The truth is what it is what it is no matter who or what you believe.

The truth is she is lying if she said she didn't play that nasty little fake prayer email game with her creepy friends.

It's all sitting in my inbox, right where they left it, so go ahead and call Comcast if that makes you feel like a big man. You can't harrass people and they cry when they get right back in your face, and you can't cry abuse when you're openly inviting people to play along with your gang bang.

As for the people who jumped on those threads and called me "it" and crazy and a troll - hey, it was fun when they were doing the name calling, but when I went to their blogs and did it to their face (instead of in the comboxes of a blog where I've been banned, like the lily-livered little cowards they are), they cry "not fair!".

Puhleeze.

You're all nothing but a bunch of losers with an internet connection who think posting all this pretend crap about how holy you are every day actually makes you holy.

Well, big news flash: it doesn't. It probably just makes God puke.


Gravatar Oh - and no prayers. I've SEEN what you people mean when you say "I'll pray for you".

If you want to say fuck you to me, say fuck you.

But don't hide behind the Catholic fuck you and pretend you're praying for me.

Remember - I still have the original "I'll pray for you" from Julie Davis. I KNOW how sincere you are.


Gravatar Here we go again with the foul stuff. At least you're a bit more coherent this time. Frankly, I don't know whether to just delete this stuff or not. I've always been quite liberal with commenting. My philosophy is that if something is way out of line people will see it for what it is. In this case we're dealing with anonymous comments on an inactive blog about something unrelated to anything here. The comments contain unnecessarily vulgar language and unsubstantiated personal attacks on numerous individuals, many of whom are unaware that you are even here doing it. So I'm inclined to delete and may very well do so upon further reflection.

However, I confess to being a little intrigued. You say you choose for yourself the low road to Hell, yet are obsessed about the immorality of a perceived injustice done to you. Frankly, that doesn't make much sense.

Clearly you have some issues with Catholicism as well. Which I suppose means that nothing can bring you any peace - at least as far as this matter goes. i.e. I haven't asked any of the "accused" about your claims, nor do I intend to, but let's just say for the sake of argument they admitted to you that they were wrong and apologized. Would that truly make a difference to you? I'm guessing not, and I'm guessing that they would make the same assumption. I mean, if you consider a Catholic praying for you to be a "Catholic F-you", nothing at all can serve justice in your eyes and you will remain blinded by hatred. I bet even these words, as benevolently as they are intended, will stick in your side like a sabre. They're not supposed to, nor should they, but often times things are determined by the state of the recipient.

One last thing for now...err...two last things:

1. Regardless of what you think of me (and quite frankly, I don't really care what you think), my prayers are sincere (albeit not very effective). I will pray nonetheless, and the smart-ass in me says, "I'm going to pray for you anyway. Nah na na na nah." It's really not a bad thing...in fact, I've been hounding a whole monastery of nuns to pray for me this past month. It's hardly a "Catholic F-you" in my eyes.

2. Your ramblings and abusive, maliscious language are deplorable and given that you have been doing it virtually non-stop for 24 hours and all over the blogosphere (and anonymously yet!) it is hardly excusable as an imprudent and hasty emotional response, which is easily forgiven. Nevertheless, I responded to your outbursts and referred to you as a "troll" over at Julie's and I see that given your state that was a very hurtful thing to you and for that I am truly sorry (I guess it was when you wrote "[they] called me 'it'" that I realized the language used by myself and others was hurtful to you at a profoundly personal level). I'm sorry any role I played in that.

Anyway, I still don't know what to do about this exchange, but I am going to leave it up at


Gravatar least long enough for you to read it.


Gravatar /rolleyes.

There. I read it.

Now you can delete it.


For the record, at the time, an apology would have meant a lot. Now it would be meaningless, so it's just a huge whybother. My point in bringing it up was that Julie was being completely hypocritical in calling for one from Barb Nicolosi (who I don't know, don't read, and is, um, a movie critic, which is right up there with real estate agent in my book - a totally unnecessary person who makes money by insinuating themselves into a relationship and doing very little actual work) when she herself was guilty of doing something pretty damned awful and, after being called out for it, refusing to apologize.

I don't care about other people's morality. But I do care when a person who makes other people's morality her business and plasters her opinions on other people's morality all over the 'net is as immoral or more so than the person she's blasting.

And the reason I care is because it's exactly that kind of hypocrisy and pettiness and pretension and smugness that is the WORST kind of evil. Evil isn't two Birkenstock-clad, middle-aged women running an organic vegetable farm in Vermont, or two Bo-Toxed guys running an antique store in the West Village. Real evil is the kind of stuff that goes down every day - all the little things - the cheap shots and little snarky meannesses and the smirking and sneering at someone else's expense. That's the real deal. Not gay people or Hollywood or belly-button rings, or whatever it is the usual suspects are going on about now.

So...whatever...


Gravatar Oh, and thank you for the apology. You're right. I'm a certified class A bitch when I want to be, and I don't deserve the apology. But thank you anyway.


Gravatar A touch of civility is becoming on you, you should try it on more often. So - and I'm not trying to get an "uncle" out of you or anything of the sort, but I do want to point it out - you said, "I don't care about other people's morality. But I do care when a person who makes other people's morality her business and plasters her opinions on other people's morality all over the 'net is as immoral or more so than the person she's blasting." Isn't that precisely what you're doing - and in a far more malicious manner (though sometimes entertaining in its sheer crudeness)?

Anyway, not that hypocrisy and pettiness aren't bad things, but there are far worse evils. Forgive me for trying to read between the lines, but I suspect that your primary gripe with the Catholic Church is its stance on homosexuality. Perhaps when you're in a better frame of mind you would be interested in learning why the Church teaches what it does...at least then you will have good reason to either hate Her, be indifferent toward Her, or accept Her. Clearly this wouldn't be the time though.

So, what's your game plan anyway? You're gonna just keep bouncing around from combox to combox hurling insults like a drunk sailor until the Terrible Threesome quit blogging, or until everyone says, "I don't like you guys anymore". It might work, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Ever so sincerely, I suggest that you just wash your hands of the matter. You will be all the happier for it. I know this from experience.


Gravatar No, I'm not going to bounce around like a drunken sailor from combox to combox.

Homosexuality? Nah. I mean, I think the Church is dead wrong on homosexuality, but I only used that because it's the most obvious example. You know, people love to go on about it because they're safe from being guilty of it, which puts it in the spotlight a lot, but it's not really the big huge deal everyone makes it out to be. Christ didn't freak out over it nearly as much as he did hypocrisy, phoniness, being unkind, elitism, exclusion, etc., etc., etc. Because all those little things eat away at people and create cynicism, which is a hugely destructive state of mind.


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Gravatar You were doing so well so I don't know what sent you back down that road, but that is certainly uncalled for. While I can let offensive things said about me stand (and/or even admit to them myself), I can't allow that kind of nasty stuff by. Adios.


Gravatar “The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable” (Brennan Manning).

Ya, whatever. Just don't go pretending to be all on the up and up over here while you've got your wife keeping the gang bang going over there.

You all are enjoying this waaaay too much.

There's nothing remotely Catholic or Christian about any of you.

The dishonesty, the hypocrisy, the group mentality, meanness...

You showed me what you are, the lot of you.

I'm glad your wifey thinks it's no big deal to wake up one morning to what I woke up to in my inbox. I'm sure she thinks it's oh-so-funny and that mocking up fake prayer chain emails in order to be mean to someone and to hurt them is just the biggest laugh going.

Real Christian. Real nice.

Why is always okay for you people to be as mean as sin but when someone else gets in your face about it, they're an "it" (your lovely bride's word) or a "troll", or "insane"...?

You mean it was good and kind and loving and human and sane and nice when Julie, Tony and Penni decided passing around private email and then starting a fake "let's pray for her" email to pass around and add on to and dump into my inbox...?

Yeah. I'm crazy. I'm insane. I'm a troll. I'm not even a person. I'm an "it".

But I never fucking passed around private email in my life and I never spat in the face of God by writing up something like that email and dumping it in someone's inbox for them to wake up to.

If I'm pissed, I'll tell you. You shrinking violets may get the vapors from a few "f" words, but at least I'm doing it to your face and not behind your back, and at least I'm not pretending I'm a Christian while I'm doing it.

You people just plain old suck.


Gravatar I apologize for hurting your feelings. But, do you realize how silly it sounds for you to be complaining about an email for prayer requests (phony or real), especially when it obviously happened a while ago?

I'm just not understanding why you are overreacting to such a trivial thing. You talk about this email but I don't have a clue what it says and why it upset you so much.

For all I know, there might not even be an email and you really are just trolling.
Maybe you could send me a copy of it.


Gravatar Oh...just trust you, eh...? Send you a PRIVATE email??

Put down the crack pipe.

No.

Those emails will sit there to serve as a reminder of exactly what a lie Catholicism and certain people's sincerity is.

That load of manure over at Julie Davis' blog is the most self-serving piece of crap I've seen in a long time.

Those were not sincere emails. Well, the name-calling and cheap sarcasm were sincere, but the prayer part was a joke.

But that wide-eyed "we never meant for her to receive those emails" bullshit is just that. Utter bullshit.

How does someone who never had your email addy get it, and how does that email addy end up in the "To" box alongside the addy of the ONE person who DID have it all by it's little self?

Please.

The intent was to mock and to hurt, the intent was NOT sincere prayer.

Funny how Tony Miller, who is nothing but a disgusting little cockroach, is still pushing her to keep me banned. Given that he was the driving force behind it all, I would imagine he's feelin' just a little insecure right now. Probably because Julie and Penni don't know just how much shit he cc-ed me behind even their backs, but, hey - it's like those dumbass women who screw around with other women's husbands, get the husbands to divorce the wives and marry them, and then are surprised to find the guys are now sleeping around on them. If you hang around with sleaze, and when you were willing to play sleazy games with them, you really shouldn't be surprised when they do something sleazy to you.


One last thing - what's trivial and ridiculous to you can be severely hurtful to another person. Just because you personally don't think it's a big deal doesn't mean it's an okay thing to do.

Rick mentioned homosexuality as my "issue" with the church? Uh-uh. It's betrayal. And with very good reason.

Whatever.

Nothing ever changes.

It's all just a lot of self-serving, pompous, Pharisitic nonsense.

God has nothing to do with this stupid people crap. He's just so much bigger than rule books and showiness and "personal holiness" (a phrase that probably makes Him retch).


Gravatar One last thing - what's trivial and ridiculous to you can be severely hurtful to another person. Just because you personally don't think it's a big deal doesn't mean it's an okay thing to do.

Funny you say that. I just came on to make the same comment. So, everything after my apology, I take back. You are absolutely right. Who am I to say what should or shouldn't hurt you or anybody else? I once cried because an old man (a total stranger) told me I was a terrible shopper.
And I can't stand it when someone tells me "forget about it" or "just let it go" or "don't be silly".

So, again, I am sorry I said hurtful things. I tried to go to Julie's blog this morning to apologize to you there, but I was having a hard time getting it to load.

I did manage to finally get there and I see she has an apology for you, too.
I think it's sincere and it's the only thing she can do at this point, yes?


Gravatar Okay. Deep breath.

I will agree that what she wrote, if sincere, was actually quite gracious.

And I will try to believe that a)it was sincere and b) she honestly didn't know that her stuff was being cc-ed to me via a third party.

I also thank you for apologizing and I will apologize in turn.


Gravatar Well we got da group hug thing going on over here. Wouldn't Bender be pleased...

Anyway, Anon. I've been keeping my eye on this combox unsure if I should comment again or not. The concern being whether anything at all I said could be received as intended. It seems that it could be, now anyway.

You stated that your problem with the Catholic Church is betrayal. Well, I don't see how that can be but last night, in my mind, I identified that your hurt over the "event" was a sense of betrayal. It took a while for me to realize that as the cause of your pain, because the focus had been on the nature of the emails, which to most of us don't seem terribly disturbing - especially if coming from a stranger or an enemy. However, what wasn't clear, and what I suspect is the case based on your seeming knowledge is that you all had a friendly relationship and therefore the emails weren't just a gag, it was to you that your relationship wasn't what you thought it was. A betrayal. Am I getting it now?

If so, I wonder how things might have worked out had you replied to that email and let everyone know how hurt you were by it. Even if your intention was to wash your hands of them all together, at least it would have been "out there" so to speak and in their hands. Frankly, that seems like a far better way to go than cluttering up comboxes with...well you know.

As for the troll comments by many people, most of whom will never see this discussion and will not realize just what lays behind it all, you should realize that "trolls" are a common thing on the Internet and they generally have ill-intent, so they are looked upon with disdain. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it wouldn't be fair to assume that all the people who referred to you as a troll are bad people. After all, basically what we all saw was the handi-work of a "troll", rather than a person with understandbly hurt feelings. Nevertheless, while I agree that the obscene stuff should be deleted and regulated, I did laugh at a lot of your tirades. Not very "classy" stuff, but they sure reflected a sharp wit behind them.


Gravatar Oh, and I'm quite sure that Julie's apology is sincere. If you had succeeded in having "put her on the spot" and she gave you a "yeah, okay...I'm sorry", you would have reason to question the sincerity. But she wasn't on the spot and she clearly put some thought into it and did it in such a fashion that she revealed a fault to far more people than who would have known something was going on.

But if you all still want to have a cat fight, I have a 55 gallon drum of Wesson's oil that the supermarket won't take back.


Gravatar Omigod, you perv...

Hmmm...

No, the betrayal thing isn't specific to this event. It's a major, major issue for me and it is because of Catholic Church-related stuff goin' waaaay back (like, um, almost thirty years now), so any betrayal (or seeming betrayal) from any quarter, and especially from the Cat'liks is a big deal for me.

But, as your wife said, everyone has their 'thing', so what seems like a harmless little thing to one person could be a huge trigger for someone else.

I actually did email Penni at the time (she was the first to pass around the email), and Julie later. Tony? Euw. I'd probably catch something nasty just from emailing him.


I don't really care about being called a troll. Seriously. I know it's a 'net term and what it refers to, so it doesn't bother me. "It" is not cool in any situation because once you've begun to not see someone as a human, you start being less of a human yourself. Not that I'm not incredibly guilty of that, but still, it's true.

I guess I think it's pretty smarmy to jump on the bandwagon when you don't even know the particulars, or you only know one side, and use the fact that someone has trolled to pile on a person, especially someone who can't respond.

Anyway, it's probably bad form to keep going over it now. An apology sort of means you're going to move on.

You know, y'all gotta get over the "f" word. "F-you" is our state motto here in northern Jersey (not ever to be confused with southern Jersey, which is another country). I can't believe your wife never heard a chick use the "f" word before. She's obviously never been to NJ. Or Queens.

It's even funnier when you read it all sounding like Edie Falco because that's what I sound like in real life.

Anyway, it's five o'clock somewhere (actually, it's officially after five o'clock here...) and the only thing anyone should be doing is having a beer.

Have a nice weekend. Seriously.


Gravatar Silly, it's not really a matter of getting over the f-word. Unfortunately, I have a difficult time controling my foul language. I try very hard not to swear around the kids and assorted company who might be offended by it. It's just a respect thing. In forums (fora?) like this it's important to remember that someone of just about every type of sensibility might be reading it, so you keep the language decent. Personally I don't find it hard not to swear using the written word. To use the f-word when writing is pretty much a pre-meditated thing with ample time to reconsider before posting, so habit isn't really an excuse.

Neither of us have been to Joysie or Queens, not even when we were yutes. Rhonda will have to answer for herself about what she's heard and what she hasn't, but I doubt it is that she hasn't heard a chick drop the f-bomb, she was probably all the other stuff you said (content and choice of words).

Anyway, I hope things go well for you and that you have a nice weekend as well.


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