I know that we are not supposed to worry about the exact time Jesus will return, but I don't think that thinking about it is wrong. I look at the advacement of knowledge,the return of Israel to their land,the apostacy from the Bible and the turning to anything that remotely looks or acts Christian is considered genuine faith, as signs that Jesus will return soon. Whats wrong with that as long as it is not dwelled upon? Bob
BOB | 09.12.03 - 11:19 am | #

Nothing is "wrong" with it, although I think makikng a cottage industry out of it is going a bit overboard. We can always look around and question the significance of events. I'll sure take notice if the Jews rebuild the temple and resume animal sacrifices. But the bottom line is we should look for revelation in the scriptures, not the newspaper.

If I am harsh of my criticism of LeHaye and Jenkins, it is not a general indictment of premillennialism. It is a comment on their scholarship.
David Heddle | Homepage | 09.12.03 - 11:48 am | #

But that is my point,all of the things I mentioned above are foretold in the Bible,well at least I believe they are. 1] The advancement of knowledge over the last 50, 25, 10 years, no matter how you look at it is amazing. 2]Israel back in their own land after almost 2000 years, go figure. 3]And the thing I find really interesting is the fact that almost everyone in this country is a "Christian",but don't mention
"absolutes" or you are considered a lunatic fundamentalist.To me this is Biblical not newspaper. But you are right about some people capitalizing on stuff just for their own gain.
BOB | 09.12.03 - 4:19 pm | #

Those things may be true, but certainly people ran to and fro and knowledge increased in every generation.

Israel is an impressive bit of data. If it were not for the foundation of Israel, I suspect dispensationism would be dead and gone.
David Heddle | Homepage | 09.12.03 - 5:24 pm | #

Do dispensationalists make anything of the fact that the state of Israel, although influenced to a large extent by religious conservatives, has a high population of what might be described as 'secular Jews'?
Sean Gallagher | Homepage | 09.12.03 - 8:45 pm | #

Israel is the Church, that nation simply chose a name that is misrepresentitive. The covenant is filfilled.
Mike Graham | 09.12.03 - 9:08 pm | #

Sean, dispensationalists believe the secular Jews are among those who will be saved at the end.

Mike, that's a pretty strong assertion considering there's so much Scripture to refute it, like Ephesians 3:6, Romans 11, etc.
Randy Brandt | Homepage | 09.17.03 - 1:49 pm | #

This subject has been of interest to me for some time and I now have more questions than answers. Mike, you say Israel is the Church. Randy, you point to Ephesians 3 and Romans 11 to refute that point of view. By looking at Romans 11, I can see that the Church did not replace Old Covenant Israel, to the exclusion of the Jews, because in the allegory about the tree with the natural branches (O.C. Israel) and the grafted branches (Gentile believers), it is readily apparent that the tree contains both Jew and Gentile believers. But there also seems to be only one tree, not two trees with two separate destinies. This is reinforced by looking at Ephesians 3:6, where we see the “Gentiles are heirs TOGETHER with Israel, members TOGETHER of one body and sharers TOGETHER in the promise of Christ Jesus” (emphasis mine). How is this reconciled in the dispensational view or the replacement view?
Bruce Williams | 09.17.03 - 5:46 pm | #

There's no scientific reason to say the earth can't last much longer. It's not like the sun's running out of fuel or anything.
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