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No judge will ever be sent to jail by the same system that put them there in the first place and continues to allow these outrageous abuse of power. The system is corrupt, beyond repair within a legal framework. No, a little well-place lead is what it will take for these judges to realize that you don't destroy people's lives without serious consequences to themselves.
I just keep picturing the kids crying for their parents and not being allowed to see them.
Good post, Dif.
The Rangers ought to be tossed into the slammer as well.
Only gets worse from here, no doubt. You have to assume the rest of "law enforcement" will see this as pretty embolding for them.
What will be the fate of the female that made the fraudulent phonecall? Filing a false report, maybe a couple hundred dollar fine? She ought to have to go explain to those kids will never see their parents again.
I don't believe in jail. The biblical penalty for kidnapping is death.
It's interesting that the authorities want to save these children from abuse, but see nothing counterproductive or contradictory about snatching them from their parents & plopping them down in a totally alien environment, in which a likelihood of abuse still runs high (our vaunted foster care system).
What will be the fate of the female that made the fraudulent phonecall?
Probably the same fate as the female that made the fraudulent charges that almost ruined the Duke lacrosse players.
Fortunately for those innocent guys, their parents had the money to let the truth prevail. Unfortunately for the innocents in Texas, they may not be wealthy enough to beat a power abusing state entity.
I agree. What they're doing is morally wrong and legally unjustifiable.
I don't know if I'll ever have kids, but I do know that the State will only take them from me over my dead body.
Sent to jail? Maybe a Cuban jail. Wait, Cuba is about to fall. Venezuela probably won't last... NK! A North Korean jail it is!
I agree. First, the state was duped by an Obomber employee/supporter/radical, and didn't bother to check. Second, the state should have to prove that it can actually offer better living to children than, oh, the Clintons or Atilla the Hun. Of course, their presumption of guilt, their military attack on civilians (in spite of it not being federal, in essence, it was a military "operation"), their lack of legal representation regarding parental rights, and the list goes on, are just parts of what was wrong.
People need to be shoved out of legal and social work positions for this. Especially since this, most likely, was an attack on Mitt Romney, in a guilt by association hit. This was a political action, no more, no less.
While I agree that due process rights were violated egregiously here, let's also remember that the FLDS is a very sick cult at least in what they do to their sons. They expel a large number of them around the age of 13 so that they can't compete with the older men for young brides. At that age, the boys cannot legally work a full work week or sign a contract to get a roof over their head, so it might as well be more like dumping them off in the garbage or to be a ward of the state, than "sending him out there to support himself like a man."
I can see your point, Mike, if it were true. I haven't seen an ounce of evidence that what you suggest took place (or has since back when it really did happen, a century ago or more). However, should your thoughts come to prove out, understand that such actions will, ultimately, end any culture which supports it. Lose the men, or women, and you will lose your world. It can only be artificially sustained through nefarious means which really are illegal, immoral, and still will result in the death of a cultural situation.
Well, that is what I see and how I understand things, anyway.
Doom,
This is just one of many examples of what the FLDS does to its boys. You would do well to do a little googling for "Lost Boys FLDS" to get a bigger picture. Suffice it to say, you can stick your head in the sand like Vox Day seems to on the expulsion issue, but it is a proven behavior with this group.
I understand what you're getting at Mike, but quantitatively, how are these 'lost boys' any different than the boys who grow up in the inner city and are forced to turn to gangs for survival?
Yet, we're not raiding the inner cities and taking away the 'at risk' youth so they don't have to endure that screwed up culture either.
I'm not justifying the expulsions, I'm saying that the government solution really isn't any better.
Someone, somewhere is always going to be harmed in someone way by someone else. That's our sin nature and you can't use the force of government to overcome that prior to an action happening. By necessity, government must be reactive, not proactive when it comes to crime; even abuse.
And, google is not exactly who I turn to for any information. First, this is the same company which helped China limit information access to it's people. There are claims (and probably a great deal of truth to it) that they also hide information even from Americans (try to find Russian or Chinese genocide information, pictures, etc.).
So, and beyond that, as I said, that sort of practice will end a society and quickly. I also think Difster had a number of points, the main one being that if this was genuine government concern, every inner-city would be stripped of their children. They don't just turn their boys out, they pimp them, commonly. What they do to their daughters is at least as bad. So, explain... As well, and again, the government needs to prove that it can offer a better living to those children. As a foster kid, I was lucky. Really, I was a one in a million good case with good parents.
Since I had a long response, I posted mine here.
Doom,
You can read my response linked above, since it's long. However, let me just say that you and Difster are way off with the inner city comparison. There is a meaningful difference between neglect, which is common in the inner city, and dumping a kid hundreds of miles away in a city they have never been to before, and saying "so loooonnnng, sonny!"
Actually, I meant qualitatively, not quantitatively.
Ha! I saw that you put exactly that on your blog.. too funny!
Look for my response to your post in your comments Mike.
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