Please stay on topic. Please don't be asses.

Gravatar I don't think threre's that much cause for worry what with the all the dirt on his many and various adulteries out there - not to mention to the pictures of him in drag.

It won't play in Peoria.


Gravatar His adulterous affairs and cross dressing performances are the least of the reasons to object to a Giuliani Presidency. If you lived in NY when he was Mayor you would know what a facist he is. Ask the NY firefighters how much of a hero they think Rudy is. Ask about the failed radios and how they contributed to the death of so many of them on 9/11. Ask about the urgent requests by the fire department for new radios prior to 9/11. Ask the guys who worked on the pile and are now sick how much respect they have for the former mayor. Giuliani, wrong for NY, definitely wrong for the nation.


Gravatar Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani is set to run for the GOP's 2008 presidential nomination. While considered by many conservative Republicans as too liberal on social issues, Giuliani's hoping that his poise in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks will carry him to the White House. A Giuliani adviser confessed, "It'll be a tough fight. But if a couple more passenger jets are hijacked and crashed into the Chrysler and Empire State buildings, we have a better than even chance."


Gravatar But he will be tough one people who sell frozen yogurt containing fat and advertize it as non-fat.


Gravatar Indeed, the 800-billion-dollar question is whether Rudy's 100% score from NARAL and his tendency to dress like a woman--which happen to be two of his only redeeming qualities--will be too big a pill to swallow for the Ted Haggard zombies.

On first glance the answer seems obvious, given flyover country's fantastic capacity for meaningless foaming hate. But their second most fantastic capacity is for doublethink. If Robertson, Dobson, Falwell, and the rest of their leaders--who clearly don't believe what they say and are just on the take--tell the zombies it's all good in Rudy's neighborhood, they'll swallow that pill with their daily Kool-Aid. These are the same zombies who dabble in chemistry, physics, and biology when they can find a crackpot "scientist" to write a paper (embryos feel pain; depleted uranium is A-OK; certain "races" are inferior) and then turn around and believe that evolution is the work of the devil, even though it's intimately tied to the fundamental concepts of those sciences. They believe in the "free market" like it's the Cliff Notes to the Bible as long as it means that they don't pay taxes that help to vaccinate black children. But they'll be damned if they give up their farm subsidies and their theocratic nanny state.

I think I just convinced myself to leave here once and for all.


Gravatar "My recollection of the time, was that Giuliani - in public - acted very much as one might hope the mayor of of a stricken community would act. That is especially true when I recall the widespread panic, confusion, and cowardice exhibited by the Bush administration, especially by Bush himself."

I think this view is widely shared by many New Yorkers, including many liberals, like me, who detested him before and will again, no doubt. He showed considerable grace at the time, without the histrionics of other political leaders. His refusal to indulge in speculation about the number of dead, saying that it would simply be "more than we can bear," was memorable.

On the other hand, where was Bush? We in New York (without our televisions) were wondering, "Where is Bush?" AWOL as usual.

Giuliani is a jerk, but he did his job that day, and I'll give him that much, but not much more.


Gravatar This is the problem; the press STILL refers to giuliani as the "hero" of 9/11. Unfortunately I don't think there is a single democrat that will have the balls to attack this perception.


Gravatar A "100% score from NARAL" is not a good recommendation, given that they backed JoeL in CT last fall. In fact, I'd be inclined to vote against anyone they back.


Gravatar When will he be grilled about his illegal fuel oil tank that brought down 7 WTC, despite its not having been hit by any plane?

Ideally under oath, and on video suitable for network play.


Gravatar As a progressive Catholic (no, it's not an oxymoron. . . yet), I spend quite a bit of time trolling the Catholic web (which is dominated by the right-wingers right now).

They went bat-shit crazy over Kerry as a pro-choice Catholic. When other pro-choice Catholic REPUBLICANS were brought up (and Guiliani was always one of them), they made it clear that they disdained them too.

Now, while I'm sure the right-wing Catholic "leaders" (Deal Hudson, Bill Donahue, etc.) are a politically whorish as Dobson et al., the right-wing Catholic flock isn't quite as zombie-like as the Protestant wingers yet (at least that's my impression). They don't have as easy a time with the cognitive dissonance as the other fundigelicals do.

The Catholic wingers are still at the point where they'll stay home or vote for some fringe-party anti-abortion candidate.

I think Guiliani will have a real problem in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio.


Gravatar Alter has a piece up on Giuliani temprament.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1701.../site/newsweek/

"...So why am I so worried about him as president? Why do I think it’s Giuliani, not John McCain, who may have a problem with the Big T—temperament?

The story of the bad Rudy has, in retrospect, been oversimplified. There’s reference to his poor relations with the black community and his mishandling of the 1999 Amadou Diallo case, in which police fired 41 shots at an unarmed African immigrant. The truth is, Al Sharpton was hardly alone in his contempt for Giuliani. Most New Yorkers were horrified, not by his defense of the police, but by the arrogant and astonishingly tone-deaf way in which he handled himself. His ridiculously thin skin and mile-wide mean streak were not allegations made by whiners and political opponents. They were traits widely known to his supporters. Which is why, if you ask Giuliani backers in New York City who was the better mayor—Giuliani or Mike Bloomberg—I’d wager that a strong majority would say Bloomberg......"


Gravatar I think most people have a good impression of Rudy because they only know about his good performance as mayor on 9/11. The searing white light of the campaign will let America get to know the real Rudy. He's going to kill himself with his big mouth just like George Allen.


Gravatar I never understood the Bobble Head's love affair with Giuliani. Maybe Tweety 'cause of the manly man factor, but how many times can they say that Giuliani's big achievement was cleaning up the streets of NYC? All he did was move pan-handlers and porn shops to less public areas of the city. Crime went down Nationally, increasingly so in large cities, while he was Mayor. His personal life is atrocious for someone who is meant to be a model citizen for children to look up to. I can't wait for his full record to be scrutinized, this is one media blow up doll that will be a welcome site to see deflated.


Gravatar I agree with Tristero--it isn't "Rudy". Never just call him "Rudy".

After all, he may end up as the republican nominee, and it ill-befits the dignity of a presidential election to call a candidate by his nickname. No, no, no. We should always call him, respectfully, by his full and proper name: Rudolph.

And of course it goes without saying that we should avoid the temptation to misspell it as Adolph. That would be really rude.

But there's no harm in thinking it.


Gravatar I recall thinking at the time that I was impressed by the way a sumbitch like Giuliani was able to say the right things and strike the right tone on 9/11, and also thinking that 'being able to say the right thing at a time of public tragedy' was merely one of many job skills we used to expect as minimum qualifications in our leaders.

But he is still a sumbitch, which is why every time I hear his name come up in conversation, I cough "Kerik. Bernie Kerik."

I'm concerned that large swaths of the religious base that people assume will reject him won't bother finding out the details, and will take a mega-pastor's endorsement, wrap it in 9/11 memory, and decide Giuliani is their man. Much of the GOP base is better known for faithfully following than for critical thinking.


Gravatar A "100% score from NARAL" is not a good recommendation, given that they backed JoeL in CT last fall. In fact, I'd be inclined to vote against anyone they back.
P J Evans | 02.07.07 - 12:00 pm | #


Agreed--NARAL has given up on their original cause, if not sold it out entirely--but this is not the kind of nuanced view that seeps into what passes for the zombie mind. The bottom line: the snake oil salesmen like Dobson can hang Giuliani with factoids like this if they choose to. But I'm not so sure they'll choose to do that.


Gravatar I don’t think Southerners, and the Republican Party is the southern party, getting Giuliani. He just doesn't speak the language of the South and the broader religious base of the party. I can't see him reaching anyone. Everything about him is wrong- his name, his body language, his loosie-goosie yankeeness, even when he tries to be blue collar he looks like a New York suit.

His history is just unacceptable and he can't get bubba enough or salvation enough to transcend it.


Gravatar His history is just unacceptable and he can't get bubba enough or salvation enough to transcend it.

Sure--unless the Dems manage to pick one of the few people in the world whom the rednecks hate so much that they'd vote for Giuliani.


Gravatar Having said that, let us hope the Republicans nominate Giuliani. There is no way, barring some unseen bolt from the blue, that the Republican base will be enthusiastic enough about Giuliani to turn out in a way that can deny Hillary Clinton the White House.

We probably should start a campaign to help him win the nomination.


Gravatar Exactly so, Richard. Someone like Giuliani shouldn't be rewarded simply for exhibiting the amount of decorum that pretty much any halfway competent public official would have displayed.


Gravatar His history is just unacceptable and he can't get bubba enough or salvation enough to transcend it.
bellumregio | 02.07.07 - 12:35 pm


I agree with bellumregio. Rudolph will come across to the bubba crowd as a fast talking New York yankee - all too many sins to be their guy.


Gravatar "Grand Illusion" by Wayne Barrett and Dan Collins did an excellent job of showing how Guiliani failed to learn the lessons of the first WTC attack in 1993.

Happy to give props to Rudy for a fine job on 9/11 if he accepts (partial) responsiblity for not preparing the city for the second attack.


Gravatar Had it not been for 9/11, he would be remembered as, at best, a mediocre mayor.

It would depend on whom you ask, wouldn't it?

Giuliani made sure he got the credit for crime fighting initiatives that were put in place by the much under-appreciated Mayor Dinkins. If history's verdict would have (mistakenly) continued in giving Giuliani this credit, he would have been remembered as a much better mayor than he actually was.

As to Giuliani's performance on 9/11: it was just that, a performance. But it was a good one. Dare I say Churchillian. But Churchill was also one of the people who helped, long before WWII, Cheney up the Middle East. And notice how the Brits couldn't even wait until the war was over to get rid of the feller.

Churchillian performances have their place, but we need neither Churchill nor Giuliani in 2008.


Gravatar anybody else out there old enough to remember when that old divorced actor guy (what was his name now? Ronald something?) was too out-of the-mainstream rabidly right-wing, too obviously dim and uninformed, to ever be elected President?
Don't count out anybody, not Giuliani, Tancredo, or The Savage Weiner- after Reagon and Chimpy it should be obvious that there is no shit sandwich this political system won't serve up, with seconds.


Gravatar He just doesn't speak the language of the South - bellumregio

He don't speak the language of the part of the South where I live, that's for sure. But then, where I live is definitively (although a very pale shade of) blue.

But Giuliani does speak the (historical) language of the South that the GOP speaks. Historically, this language was a code with which to rail against miscegination and non-Protestants. Now they rail against gay marriage and abortionists. But the language is still the same. So even if Giuliani happens to be in favor of gay marriage and abortion rights, he's still speaking that same language about, e.g., "the criminal element".

And alas, you can bet that will play well with the GOP base. That's why a Giuliani candidacy would not mean an easy Dem. win ... alas.


Gravatar 9/11 was an easy day to be a leader, all it took was showing up and not saying anything stupid. Guiliani passed the test. Bush failed ( surprise, surprise )

Rove put lipstick on W and fooled the base, but I think Guiliani looks too much like a real pig. At least W had a decent mock-twang and he laid the hallelujah groundwork with the classic redemption-of-a-drunk saga, a tale instantly accepted by Christi-zombies.

I hope Guiliani wins the Republican nomination. He'll be easy to defeat!


Gravatar Allen above - I'm with you. Maybe there's nothing behind it, but WTC 7 has never been investigated, and there has been no explanation from RG on what looks to be highly compromising behaviour.


Gravatar True....on September 11 Giuliani was a recurring face on the TV screen, no matter what the actual truth is/was, that face on the TV screen translated as "leadership".

Worse yet?

Even if Giuliani wasn't showing "leadership" on that day, it was impossible NOT to compare him with Bush. We didn't see Bush until late that evening (remember, he sent karen gowawd-awful Hughes out to face the press first) and when we did he was scared shitless....Giuliani had been "on the scene" during the day so by comparisom, he was a leader.....

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Gravatar It is just the impression I have gotten from Southerners. I am sure someone will test it, but he just doesn’t translate. I just don’t think he can move people. Hillary is far better, believe it or not. If Southerners were not such party loyalists I think a fair number would vote for her. She knows the lay of the land and she knows how to relate. I can see her going even farther with those in the West and the Mid-West.

The Republicans have an uphill fight for the foreseeable future. The longer the US is in Iraq the deeper they will go in the hole. Bush and Cheney seem to have jettisoned Mr. Rove and are prepared to send the rest of the Republican Party to hell for their little ego war. Hillary has a massive network, lots of money and people who are excited about her. I am sure she has even sucked air out of a Giuliani machine in New York and folks in Sugarland and Cobb County, Ga are not going to go crazy over the Churchill of 9/11. And that is what they will need to do to beat her.


Gravatar Attacking Giuliani for his performance on 9/11 is a non-starter, and I hope no Dem campaign is stupid enough to do it. There's plenty to pick on before 9/11 and there will be plenty to pick on during the campaign.


Gravatar Christ, Rudolph is smart. Whip-smart. But he's more arrogant than Joe Biden, had an open affair in front of his kids (and the world), is a petty asshole who likes to prove how much of an asshole he can be and is a true authoritarian:

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do and how you do it."

This may be the purest, most undiluted fascist notion ever set forth by an American politician. I think everyone from the NRA right to the rest of us have a problem with that kind of authoritarianism.

We'll see, of course.


Gravatar I'm down in Georgia, so maybe mine and bellumregio's impressions should be qualified to say he doesn't come across well in the Deep South. There's a trust factor I don't think he's going to get past. Eh, I could be wrong - I've learned to never be too firm in my predictions of a Presidential campaign.


Gravatar I agree with the host that we ought to avoid at all costs the temptation to "humanize" Giuliani by calling him "Rudy." It is best for our cause not to even think of these fascists as human beings. The methods used by Giuliani to clean up New York City was yet another example of American fascism run amok that we have become all to familiar with under the thumb of the current mean-spirited regime in Washington.

Looking backward, I think we all preferred the New York City of Taxi Driver and the Summer of Sam and before Times Square was Disney-fyed.

As for the seven-minute rule--if we are attacked again--what better person to have in charge than a Ned Lamont or a Dennis Kucinich?


Gravatar Tris -
I'm an NYC'er, too, and i don't think people yet understand that on 9/10/2001 Guliani couldn't get elected dogcatcher here. I don't expect Rudy to get the repub nod for '08, but not because of the religious right -- repubs will vote for ANYONE who they think can win, regardless of anything. What I DO expect, however, is that there are a lot of people here who know and have documented exactly who & what RG is (i'm thinking Wayne Barrett, Conason, and Ridgeway, to name a few), and they will be ecstatic (rightfully) to get another bite at the apple of exposing RG for the piece of sh*t he is. Additionally, I think somewhere down the road (and sooner rather than later) Rudy will find to his unhappiness that his snarling churlishness, bullying & sarcasm don't play well w/ a national audience. Expect a live TV blowup that'll make the Dean Scream seem courtly...


Gravatar I lived in NYC for the entire Rudy era. Don't forget that after Reagan swelled the ranks of the homeless, Giuliani sicced the NYPD on them to pose as 'tough on crime'.

The decline in the crime rate is more easily explained by demographics (less teenagers = less crime) than Rudy's inhumane policies.

~


Gravatar Count me among the doubters. The fundies can swallow some deviance on policy, but Giuliani is not, and can't even pretend to be, part of their "tribe". He has a history he will not be able to bury, and his war cheerleading would sink him in the general. I don't see it. They'll line up behind Mormon Mitt before Rudy.


Gravatar It goes well beyond "supporting and defending" the Bush Admin. Giulinai has said that the Bush Admin was divinely selected. What followws comes from Meet the Press, 12/23/01. Giuliani and Laura Bush were guests. The story has changed in various settings, but here's how he told it this morning:

GIULIANI (12/23/01): I do think, Mrs. Bush, that there was some divine guidance in the president being elected. I do. And I remember saying it on the street to Police Commissioner Kerik. I said--because I knew the president before, when he was governor, and I said, "Thank God he's there."

MR. RUSSERT: I also remember that as you and Governor Pataki and President Bush drove up the West State Highway through the Upper West Side, the bastion of liberal Democrats, all waving and saluting, you turned to the president and said?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I said, "None of these people voted for you, Mr. President," and then the governor and I--the governor looked at me and I looked at him and we said, "And they didn't vote for us either." We're all Republicans...But now they love you. They all love you and they'd vote for you unanimously.


Gravatar 9/11 was an easy day to be a leader, all it took was showing up and not saying anything stupid. Guiliani passed the test. Bush failed ( surprise, surprise )

Rove put lipstick on W and fooled the base, but I think Guiliani looks too much like a real pig. At least W had a decent mock-twang and he laid the hallelujah groundwork with the classic redemption-of-a-drunk saga, a tale instantly accepted by Christi-zombies.

I hope Guiliani wins the Republican nomination. He'll be easy to defeat!


Gravatar if you think about it, rudy made nyc more redstate friendly, choking the life and texture out of this once magnificent place...


Gravatar Isn't he the prude who went after the arts community at one point...?

Oh, yeah... that's right... the "indecent" Nude Last Supper....

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/1...0f2323a& ei=5070


Gravatar Giuliani's "stability" issues do have a sartorial tag, but it's not the drag, it's the blackshirt -- behind which lurk big time "daddy issues" (just like W, what a coindcidence...), as documented by barrett and fifield in their essential and remaindered 2000 "investigative biography" (ISBN 0465005233).


Gravatar http://www.time.com/time/ magazin...,996108,00.html

here's all you need to know about Rudy. What a turd:


A NEW TUNE Last week Rudy Giuliani accused Hillary Clinton of promoting drug use by playing Billy Joel's Captain Jack when she announced her run for the Senate. (The song contains a drug reference.)


Gravatar Rudy. What a turd...

I think he needs to be christened anew:

Turdy Giuliani


Gravatar I do not want to see Rudy as president for a variety of reasons. (I don't want to see any Republican in power in Washington, for that matter.)However, as a City employee involved first in the 9/11 response and then later as a litigator defending the City with respect to cases including one regarding the collapse of 7 World Trade Center,
I can say from my personal observations that he was an outstanding figure in the first six weeks after 9/11. Not only on the public stage, but in coordinating the response. He doesn't deserve to be rapped for stepping up and delivering when needed.

To those with short memories, Mark Green lost that fall's Mayoral election to Bloomberg when he said he would have done just as good a job.

Attacking Rudy for not being perfect after 9/11 is like Swiftboating Kerry for not being wounded seriously enough in Vietnam.


Gravatar Giuliani looks good during 9/11 because he contrasted well with Bush that day when all Bush could think about was hiding in the bomb-proof bunker at Offutt Air Force Base near Omaha. With the bar set that low, how could he not look good.


Gravatar i third tristero and davidinNY's comments. i never had any use for giuliani, but after the attacks he said the right things and was visible, which was somehow, weirdly comforting. other than that he's a power-mad POS who had the genius idea of putting his command center in the previously-bombed WTC and hiring fellow POS kerik (who parlayed 9/11 into a job training iraqi cops, then cut 'n' ran before he was done).

and blaming the troops for not guarding the ammo dump at al qaqaa. that was a good one.


Gravatar "Humanizing Giuliani"? That'd be like smartifying W!
Giuliani won in NYC by relentlessly remaining on offense, regardless of how wrong he would be. The primary process does not lend itself to the Giuliani steamrollering style. He has a honeymoon now, but when he loses an aide to ethical considerations or loses a primary he was supposed to win, we'll see the real Guiliani, the guy who gay-baited Ray Cortinez out of town, who backed the NYPD regardless of evidence, who alienated every NYC citizen who wasn't a white Staten Island homeowner.
Giuliani is a shrill bully. He can't take a punch.


Gravatar In reading Grand Illusions by Barrett and Collins, I was struck by the fact that Guliani stayed up until late in the night of 9-11, not going over what still needed to be done, but reading chapters from a biography of Churchill, specifically the chapters about Churchill becoming Prime Minister. (page 1 The next day he met with psychologists specializing in dealing with such crises who coached him on what to tell a traumatized public (page 21). At that I confess he did a good job, but better PR isn't high on my list of what the country needs. Nor were Guliani's failings limited to what happened before 9-11. He didn't have anyone implement safety precautions at Ground Zero after the fact either. Seriously, read Grand Illusions. That's just the tip of the iceberg.


Gravatar I'm not sure who's going to win the South Carolina primary, but it AIN'T gonna be the pro-choice Italian Catholic mayor. The next president is not going to be the freakin' MAYOR of anything. You don't jump from mayor to president. Others have tried. It's never worked. And the next Republican nominee is NOT going to be a pro-choice New Yorker. The primary debates are going to be nasty. You think Brownback or McCain will give Guliani a pass for wearing a dress and having affairs and not properly loving fetuses?

I assure you, as a resident of the south, who has talked to many active Republican primary voters, that the pro-choice New York thing is a deal-breaker.

Now, if he breaks down and sees the light of the Lord and becomes an anti-choice Baptist and starts speaking in tongues at Bob Jones University's 2007 commencement speech, well...


Gravatar I also thought he almost redeemed himself on Sept 11th. But remember the first couple of hours that day? I know where I worked people were saying, "Where the hell is Giuliani?" It didn't seem out of character for him not to be found anywhere the public could see him. Yah, I know, he almost got killed down there but that's another unanswered question, why the city's emergency center was located 50 stories up in a building that had already been attacked.

And then the little things I didn't appreciate during that time. Remeber how he got on TV and told New Yorker's to stay away from downtown? How they be arrested? All this while he was giving personal tours of the site for celebrities and name pols. And of course, there was the spectacle of his thinking maybe he just ought to stay on as mayor in spite of there being an election.

And he lisps too.


Gravatar goddamn haloscan! First I get an internal server error, and then a "You already said that (Duplicate Post)" message. So, the below comment will post anywhere from 1 to three times. I apologize.


A few years ago there was a radio interview with the guy in New York that the Kramer character on Seinfeld was based on (long before Michael Richards forever sullied it). The "real Kramer" was asked about Giuliani, because he had a real problem with him, for all of the reasons stated above. When asked about Giuliani's performance on 9/11, he said:

"Sometimes a paranoid control freak is just what the situation calls for."


Gravatar Do not miss Cintra Wilson's excellent piece on Giuliani at Salon.com.


Gravatar He's a weasel who hates ferrets. What a self-loathing little twit.


Gravatar Oh, the weasels. Forgot about the weasels. I guess it all depends on which Guliani shows up for the GOP debates--manly 9/11 America's Mayor Guliani, or crazed ranting-about-ferrets Mayor of Filthy Sodom on the Hudson.


Gravatar Jesse: " as a City employee involved first in the 9/11 response and then later as a litigator defending the City with respect to cases including one regarding the collapse of 7 World Trade Center,
I can say from my personal observations that he was an outstanding figure in the first six weeks after 9/11. Not only on the public stage, but in coordinating the response. He doesn't deserve to be rapped for stepping up and delivering when needed...

Attacking Rudy for not being perfect after 9/11 is like Swiftboating Kerry for not being wounded seriously enough in Vietnam."

I agree up to a point:

1. The truth is that Giuliani did the job he was paid to do on 9/11 and in the aftermath. Most politicians would have done the same. Giuliani only looks unique in comparison to Bush.

2. The Swiftboaters were effective. Very effective despite their filthy lies.

3. I am not suggesting going after Giuliani on 9/11. I am suggesting that Giuliani's behavior that day makes it all that much easier to criticize Bush and any Republicans that support him.

4. That Giuliani is a major league Bush booster reflects on Giuliani's true character. Of course he rose to the occasion on 911. That is his job. He did it, and I'm thankful. But merely being "better than Bush" does not mean you're fit to be president.


Gravatar I don't see TV much, but I saw Giuliani on a talk show in late 2001. When the subject of 9/11 came up, he looked distinctly gleeful. He seemed to find the whole experience thrilling. "Gracious" is not an adjective that would come to mind.

As it was for Bush, 9/11 was a godsend for Giuliani. He knew it and evidently saw no reason to hide, for the national TV audience, that he know it.


Gravatar tristero,

I agree with Jesse on many points. It does "our side" a disservice to attack Giulani on 9/11 he did rise to the occasion. The fact that the man is a fascist and a racist among other things does not mean he can do no right. more importantly we should attack him for wanting to stay mayor past the election, he wanted to cancel elections! Now that is something to attack him on. Loima (sic) and all the minorities murdered by the police under his administration. he created an air of intolerance, one where the police shot first, these are real issues. He was a divisive force in NY. That is a real fact. He was a scumbag and he would have gone down as a poor mayor. these are the issue we should attack on.


Gravatar It is astonishing how much fuel the most catastrophic government failure in our history, leading to the worst day in our history, has provided to certain politicians like Bush and Rudi.


Gravatar I have said all along that it wasn't so much that Giuliani stepped forward on 9/11, it was that Bush et al stepped BACK. that's really all that needs to be said about "America's mayor."

that and Kerik, Regan, Diallo, Dorismond........


Gravatar DOn't have a link on this one--but distinctly remember a huge spat where Rudolph insisted that the only good place for the new manhattan emergency control center would be in the wtc--heads rolled, rudolph fumed, and eventually (of course) got his way.

i think we can all see where that went. it might have made more sense to put the center in an underground bunker, away from incendiary and explosive devices. to this day haven't seen any recognition of this cowardly malfunction on giuliani's part--again, anybody got a link?


Gravatar I'm still remembering Giuliani's pitiful attempts to remain in office past the end of his term, because he thought NYC needed him, the one indispensable Mayor after 9/11. The city wouldn't go for it.


Gravatar "Rudy" is just another celebrity politician who believes all the hype bestowed upon him by the numerous flunkies, gadflys, other assorted hangers-on and the press who seem to glow when in his presence. (Actually they DO glow, they're radioactive!)


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