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Wow. Just... wow.
"The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide."
holy shit.
Wow, hard to argue with that logic.
What the heck? That's not a spoof?
What, exactly, is his thesis? That to avoid nuclear attack by terrorists, we're morally obliged to kill everyone on the planet not us?
Why don't they just name themselves the "Legion of Doom" or something while they're at it?
Now what serious person could find anything there which should be off the table.
Oh there are things which need to be discussed- which country to nuke first (or rather, second) and which people to genocide first, and other details.
And reasonble and serious people could disegree over whether President for life means that, or maybe just twenty years (you know Republicans are very big on term limits).
But on the whole, there's lots to discuss.
It's a nuke or be nuked world, gentlemen.
I have to go to the dentist from the damage caused by my jaw hitting the floor.
Yow.
Hieronymus, that's funny, mine seems to be clenched all the time. I guess we all react different.
The problem is that these are not just a bunch a high school kids deep in the thrall of their First Serious Thoughts and whacking off with a keyboard.
Very scary.
found this post on a blog dealing this 'organization':
http://impeachmentproject.blogsp...orses-
bush.html
from the post:
"UPDATE: According to this, Family Security Matters isn't only a front group for the Center for Security Policy/National Security Advisory Council. The CSP/NSAC actually picks up the phone at the FSM's contact number. And please read through the list of people affiliated. There are lots of high ranking members of the Bush administration, not the least of which is Dick Cheney.
True, as far as I'm aware, Dick Cheney did not actually write the article calling for a Bush dictatorship. But Dick Cheney and many other members of this administration are part of the organization that published an article calling for a Bush dictatorship. And that's scary, no matter how you look at it."
For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
These clowns live in a cartoon world.
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These clowns live in a cartoon world.
Yeah, and they're trying to drag the rest of us into it.
What is so very scary is that millions of preachers are preaching this from their pulipts.
We need to nip this in the bud before they make the Handmaiden's Tale a reality
ahem. "emails?"
This has got to be a joke, right?
Right???
Are you sure this isn't a Yes Men prank?
Anyone want to put some money on whether we see serious movement in this direction before this is all over....one way or another.
What are you all going to do when they take steps in this direction? Are you ready to stand up for your beliefs?
I've been saying for a few weeks that the logical extension of the Bush/Cheney philosophy is that they would not leave on January 20, 2009. If they can defy subpoenas without consequence and defy Congressional statutes, what's to stop them from just staying on? Same DOJ, so no indictments possible.
Does it really make sense that they would amass all this power and then just turn it over to the Dems?
They truly are nuts. First of all because they think we'll let them get away with this. Second of all, trusting Bush to be their Caesar. Nothing says doomed to failure faster than having Bush leading the charge. I almost wish we could give them their own planet so they could go off and play in their own fantasy world.
Bat-shit crazy...
Holy cow! This guy is paid for these psychotic, bloodthirsty fantasies?
In what kind of parallel world does someone not only want to read the violent scribblings of a sociopath like this guy, but actually pays him to write them? Oh, yeah, Bushworld.
This may sound like harmless wingnuttery, but before you reach that conclusion, read Professor Peter Dale Scott's The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America, University of California press, now available from Amazon.
The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed.
"Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks."
Hieronymus, that's funny, mine seems to be clenched all the time.
Twern't my jaw.
I've been saying for a few weeks that the logical extension of the Bush/Cheney philosophy is that they would not leave on January 20, 2009.
If one party makes profound, enduring changes to the fundamental law and structures of a country that would inevitably redound to their disadvantage when next they return to opposition, it is not 'paranoid' to conclude that they simply don't intend to ever return to opposition again.
As no sane man ever whittled a switch gratis to hand to the next man to beat him with, the future of the Republic hinges on them being crazy.
Nah, this guys is "serious".
Here is his main website - (he is Australian)
A sample - How to diagnose if a community is declining:
...
5. Consider the community's general attitude to truth; a civilization rises because it pursues truth, it falls when it suppresses truth. Our stance is revealed by the existence of popular delusions, whose absurdity has not prevented them from being adopted as truth by governments. The list of popular delusions include:
AIDS is a sexually transmitted disease caused by the HIV virus.
CFCs (Chlorofluorocarbons) cause a hole in the Ozone layer so their use must be banned.
Corpulence is the result of eating too much.
Democracy is good government
DDT, (Dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane ) must be banned to avoid a 'Silent Spring'
Eating beef from cattle afflicted by Mad Cow Disease will cause a brain rotting disease.
Global Warming is a threat to human existence.
Jobs for all are essential for economic prosperity.
Multiculturalism.
Native Title.
Political Correctness.
The Courts are there to make people behave.
Violence never solves anything.
He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.
A Bush dictatorship....
Now I have heard everything.
Why don't they just name themselves the "Legion of Doom" or something while they're at it?
Llelldorin
This is a great idea. They could have uniforms and everything. I've already seen dubya wear a few in his Lord Fauntleroy dresses up phase.
So here's another idea. Maybe this explains why the GOP isn't raising more money for the 2008 races--there won't be an election!
Did anyone tell Rudy? Or is he (like Grandpa Fred, apparently) just raising money for the sake of raising money?
You know I consider myself a thoughtful person, but obviously I havent been doing my homework.
There are a fistful of ideas that havent even occured to me in this article. Stunning piece of writing.
The best is my new title for shrub: Victim of Democracy.
(I think this is the author of "springtime for Hitler")
And reasonble and serious people could disegree over whether President for life means that, or maybe just twenty years (you know Republicans are very big on term limits).
Mooser
The best reason there is to get a Democrat in the White House(other than cleaning up the nasty messes) will be seeing how fast the Republicans and our corporate "News" Media start realizing how vital it is to keep that executive branch in check.
WARNING: If you go from Digby to the FSM website, your IP address will identify you and your cookie trail will show you came from Digby, thereby placing you on the FSM/NSA list of dissidents to be picked up when young Caesar finishes conquering his Gaul and turns on this internal political enemies.
Does it really make sense that they would amass all this power and then just turn it over to the Dems?
Mimikatz
No.
Short answers to long questions.
Ha, this Phil Atkinson guy is a piece of work, isn't he? Check out his bio:
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/a....com/
author.htm
Executive summary: the mean kids picked on me because they knew I was better than them! I got fired from my job, and since then my wife has supported me while I publish books 'online' (sic), because I'm a Philosopher!
Awesome.
Wow, that really was a good argument against democracy, if only because our democracy allows loons like that to have some say. But all the same, I'll stick with our system, cowardly electorate and all.
WARNING: If you go from Digby to the FSM website...
Eek, Columbus, Ohio!11one!
P.S. Ramen.
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this administration made me understand why the founding fathers put the 2nd adm. in the bill of rights.
Setting aside the war crimes and genocide, and pre-adolescent goth dramatics and fantasies, I think the screed Digby discusses has something in common with the warmonger conservative panic attacks during the Cold War, especially the ones that occured right before the end. Remember the gloomy and fearful assertions that the western democracies just weren't tough enough, how democracy just wasn't up to snuff in countering the inherent discipline, ruthlessness and long range clever schemes, of the commie block? Democracy had to be suppressed, checks on the west's ruthlessness and capacity for violence and wholesale destruction of people, property and socieities, had to be removed. Or we would would lose.
I see the same sort of mindless panic working here. Same pants-peeing panic that recommends diving into complete immorality and depravity, which they think will rescue victory from the jaws of defeat, but will actually do the oppisite -deliver defeat from the jaws of what in the long run will be certain victory for progressive, tolerant, humane, democratic values. But a certain kind of reactionary, or conservative, or, real sceeeered fraidy cat, cannot see any of the strengths of democracy and progressive political institutions, and tolerance, but only the weakness and therefore thinks its defeat is certain. Unless we destroy it in order to save it.
These poor sad frightended creatures look around and interprets self-criticism, disagreement and free and wide ranging debate, and self-correction (which we need a whole lot of right now as a society, in the effort against extremism and terrorism) as weakness.
Apparently, this chap is British. For that, I apologize. As far as I can tell, he might want to seek treatment.
Apparently, Rudy's advisor, Norm the Pod is now a moderate. I did not think that James Woolsley was quite that insane. Perhaps he missed that one. How the hell many of these lunatics are there loose in America?
Here's another one from that site - by John Lewis in Jan. 2007:
http://www.familysecuritymatters...x.php?
id=575255
His point:
Bush’s war strategy of non-war has resulted in a functional paralysis caused by our self-imposed failure to identify and confront open and avowed enemies.
His fantasy:
Americans mount a vigorous offense against the center of the enemy’s power. Waves of bombers obliterate dozens of enemy cities. His food is choked off, his military is decimated, his industry is bombarded, his ships are sunk, his harbors are mined—his people are psychologically shattered. In a single night, a hundred thousand civilians die in a firestorm in his capital. Americans drop leaflets telling the enemy population which cities could be next. Civilians are immersed in propaganda from their government, telling them that they are winning the war—yet they cower defenselessly while American bombers level their homes.
[...]
We call upon the enemy to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative is prompt and utter destruction.3
When the enemy balks at the ultimatum, atomic bombs are dropped on his cities. He surrenders, thus acknowledging the reality of his defeat and making a political decision to cease fighting. He orders his reluctant soldiers to lay down their arms. The American military occupies the defeated nation. We censor the media, impose reforms on schools, dismantle economic cartels, efface militaristic language from discourse at all levels, and write a political constitution which they are forced to accept. We tell them, pointedly and publicly, that they are defeated, and that we have no obligations to them. When they face starvation, we remind them that their miseries are their own fault. We charge them for many of the costs of the occupation. Not one dime of aid arrives until they demonstrate their complete surrender, in word and in action, including their repudiation of the militaristic ideology that motivated their attacks.
Nice, huh?
Sadly, Caesar gets killed shortly after taking full power by angry senators, and eventually, the barbarians at the gates sack Rome.
Pick your analogies better.
Did somebody say James Woolsey, PNAC founding member?
After a brief, unhappy tenure as director of the CIA during Clinton's first term, Woolsey joined the law firm of Shea & Gardner, which serves a number of major corporate clients, including the defense contractors Boeing and Lockheed Martin and which counts among its former employers Stephen Hadley, who was appointed national security adviser during George W. Bush's second term.
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That's got to be music to Bush's ears. He is the first president that I can conceive of accepting the role of dictator. It has been apparent since he started talking to god about invading other countries.
Thankfully, the traditions of the military will not permit such a disaster. But we need to keep up the discussion of Bush losing his liberty. He and the corrupt core of Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice... The list goes on. They should all pay the price of liberty for the murders they have committed.
The Bush government is fascist. Look up the word in the dictionary of your choice, - compare with Bush government policies, machinations, designs, ambitions, and rhetoric, and get back to me.
Security Family Matters is one of many disinformation, propaganda, and slime coverns financed and peopled by fascists in the Bush government and the Republican Reich. The morphing intertwining of fact and fiction, the blurring of reality and surreality, the glorifying of all things Bush, conservative, christian, and GOP and the ruthless sliming of all thing democrat, liberal, and anyone daring to question, challenge, dissent with, or oppose the fascists pernicious policies and ongoing perversions, corruption, and betrayals are the hallmark of fascist "thinktanks" like Security Family Matters. This spew is regurgitated repeatedly and incessantly to the dimsheeple, partisans, and truebelievers in redneckAmerica who adore this tough talk and either abide and blatant lies and fascism, or are too ignorant and ill-informed to comprehend, recognize, or appreciate the concept
of fascism. This latter pool of idiots are too stupid to form indvidual ideologies, formulate positions, or recognize pathological lies, and simply chooses to follow the fascists because they act tough, wear red whitandblue accessories, and love thebabyjesus and god speaks to Bush in the WH, - Amen.
All any decent human being can do to counter this brutal insanity, is too challenge, question, repudiate, renounce, and reject every slithering lie these fascists pimp. Every single one.
"Deliver us from evil!"
Just to clarify: I raise the possibility that Bush/Cheney may not be planning to leave in January, 2009 to get people to think the unthinkable, not to discourage people from participating actively in the 2008 election and all other political activity.
We were told in 2006 that everything would be ok if the Dems got Congress and got the subpoena power. But the Bush/Cheney regime figured out a way around that--stall, dissemble, lie, and, in the end, just tell the DOJ not to prosecute anyone in the regime for crimes. Take that, Congress!
So now we are told to wait until 2008 when we take the Presidency along with keeping both Houses. And I have to ask myself what, oe who, exactly, is to keep them from holding over like some nightmare tenants, daring the Dems to post 30-day eviction notices which the DOJ and GOP-stacked judiciary will just ignore?
All of this is by way of saying that it is much easier to draw the line NOW (by beginning impeachment proceedings against Gonzales, for one obvious example) rather than try to evict them on 1/20/2009. Always easier to resist before the Reichstag fire rather than after.
I wish the Dem leadership understood this. But we have to start thinking about such things before it's too late, because when it's too late, it really is too late.
Apparently, this chap is British.
So is John Derbyshire who complained about the Virginia Tech students' not rushing the campus shooter. Is the US suffering some sort of right wing douchebag shortage that we have to import them from the UK?
I used to write crap like that. Of course, I was in high school, did it as a joke and wasn't paid.
And Kevin beat me to this point: That strategy worked out real well for Caesar.
What about the Patrick Poole hit job?
Jay-sus frickin' christ, this guy is ranting about what the CAIR members chose NOT to do in confronting this situation, and is then condeming them for it? Shit Patrick, if things worked that way you would already be walking around with no dick and a face to match... Hmmm on second thought maybe he has a point.
A VERY small And VERY sensitive point. He uses it to pee with....
Mimikatz | 08.20.07 - 8:48 pm |: Cheney and his stoog trying to stay in office sounds like a fantasy to me. I have pictures in my mind of a huge throng marching on the WH to turn them out, which would get ugly. But then, Giuliani tried a similar stunt. I agree that Congress needs to do something dramatic and effective soon, otherwise acquiescence to outrages may turn into a precedent that later allows those ourages, especially if the current wingnut dominated supreme court can find a way to have a say in it. And we want to avoid that.
My god, these people are scheming to subvert the very principals of American democracy. They are attempting to overthrow our government by inciting violence, pitting Americans against fellow Americans. They are nothing more than terrorists, suborning murder, anarchy, and destruction throughout the world.
Here's another good one (J.R. Dieckmann, June 2007):
http://www.familysecuritymatters....php?
id=1079578
Beginning:
God must be laughing at the practical joke He’s played on humanity. Or maybe it’s one of those situations where He doesn’t know whether to laugh or cry. Maybe it’s just His way of testing His creation to see if it’s capable of surviving in both His world and in ours. Whatever the case, we’re stuck with it and must try to make the best of it.
So what’s the joke? Simply that God gave the western world the intelligence, skills, ingenuity, and resources to develop a modern, electro-mechanical, civilized society where we have made the most of it to improve our lives and make ourselves more comfortable. But then God gave the fuel that powers our society to an uncivilized, 6th century, religiously radical culture in the Middle East. These are people who wouldn’t have the slightest idea of what to do with it, were it not for us. They still don’t, so they sell it to us and we have come to depend on those sales.
And the end:
The enemy fights dirty, we also need to fight dirty. Meet them on their terms, but with superior weapons. We can do that and without taking a lot of casualties. Let the enemy take the casualties. That’s what war is all about. As General Patton once said “No one ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other guy die for his.” Truer words were never said. That’s what war is all about.
Do you hear that, President Bush and your liberal friends in Congress?! We’re getting pretty fed up with your screwing around with war. Don’t start it if you’re not willing to win it. Europe isn’t going to like us no matter what we do unless we lose. Our national pride and security depend on you learning how to fight a real war, because that is what we have to do for the survival of America.
Brilliant!
The writings of Philip Atkinson, J. Philippe Rushton, George Lincoln Rockwell, et al. are the basic stock from which the contemporary right wing soup of racist, eliminationist rhetoric is made. Posts and comments on LGF, Powerline, rantings by Ann Coulter, the schticks of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh, campaign commercials by the RNC, and on and on simply represent varying dilutions of and recipes made from the essential philsophical and epistemological bullion cubes represented by Atkinson's screeds. Atkinson's brand of thought in the past century or so is represented by Jim Crow, race-marriage laws, the eugenics movement, immigration "reform" of the 1920s, Japanese internment, and whatever contemporary laws, foreign interventions, court rulings, political rhetoric, and executive orders are animated by ideas that Northwestern Europeans and their American descendants sit astride the top of the genetic, cultural, and moral heap.
You go, Digby, and anyone else who runs with this news. Surely if Bill O'Reilly can hold Daily Kos responsible for a handful of comments it wouldn't be asking too much to hold the distinguished and ever-so-teevee-prominent FSM Board of Directors responsible for the ravings of one of their premier columnists.
BTW, here's more of Atkinson's eliminationist BS:
"Mexico is now (circa 2000) colonising America and imposing its language and culture. Though the Americans still have the strength of understanding to recognise that the Hispanic invasion should be stopped, they are unable to take the measures required to achieve this end. The very least that must be done to halt the Hispanic invasion is the mass enslavement, or execution, of the invaders, which must be followed by an American invasion of Mexico to enforce American language and values upon the Mexicans." (source: http://www.ourcivilisation.com/t....com/
theend.htm )
Something else caught(lodged itself into) my eye:
FSM readers want to know how to become more knowledgeable citizens, screen out media partisanship, and better protect our families and country. To assist in your quest, we have compiled an "enfactlopedia," a collection of no-nonsense explanations, informative definitions, and links to relevant articles and illustrations to give you the facts you need to know about national security, the war on terrorism, and every citizen's role in protecting the country. You'll find this wealth of information in the four tabs you see above: Terrorism, Challenges, Homeland, and Global. These four tabs comprise our Enfactlopedia.
Take some time and read through its contents, conveniently divided into these four main subjects. Not only will you find terrific resources to help you become a more knowledgeable citizen and better at protecting your family, you can read a thorough and factual accounting of who the terrorists are, the obstacles we must overcome in combating them, and the vital anti-terrorism policies at home and abroad that need our support. Any time you see the "e!" icon, you'll know that Enfactlopedia Term appears in our glossary and can be searched below. Click on the nearby word or concept for further definition or explanation. Still can't find what you need? Search the entire website using the search box at the top of each page. Soon you'll find that you're becoming comfortable and familiar with ideas that were once foreign or too complex
I hope people realize that the modern conservative movement was, at heart, ultimately ALWAYS about such radical and extreme ideas and policies. Most might not have had the nerve to state them publically, but now that they're approaching a moment of political oblivion (and barring some unforeseen, radical and truly catastrophic development, this is all but inevitable), some of them have decided to pull out all the stops, stop pussyfooting around with their carefully-constructed lies, and throw all caution to the wind and bring out ALL of that dirty laundry that they've been hiding all these years.
These people are fascists who do not and never have believed in democracy. Always have been, always will be. Anyone who doesn't get that is just living in a fantasy world. They may or may not get to do all of these terrible things, but it won't be for lack of urging, if not trying. Get ready for a truly terrifying last 17 months during which nearly anything could conceivably happen. ANYTHING.
ENFACTLOPEDIA BYEATCHASSSZZZZZ!!!!
It is meant to be a provocative article. It is not meant as advocating this scenario, just pointing out that if liberal activists persist on their present course, this may be the best remaining alternative.
It is meant to be a provocative article. It is not meant as advocating this scenario, just pointing out that if liberal activists persist on their present course, this may be the best remaining alternative.
nabalzbbfr | 08.20.07 - 9:03 pm | #
So speaks the brownshirt. I mean chickenhawk brownshirt, the nazis wouldn't have let bedwetters like today's NRO types into their organization.
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Ickey point Minikatz, but far more likely a reality than you may dare to imagine.
After you read this http://www.globalresearch.ca/ind...&
articleId=5720 and weep. Imagine the sequel to 9/11 just happens to occur in the US sometime close to the election. At that moment, (if it has not already been initiated) the President would activate this directive, presume dictatorial powers, suspend elections, and take all the measures necessary for "Continuity of Government'.
"Deliver us from evil!"
I'm reminded of the quote (possibly apocryphal) from Tom Lehrer when Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize: satire has been made obsolete.
I wondered whatever became of Fafnir and Giblets.
just an aside: the Roman Empire lasted hundreds of years after Caesar's death. The barbarian hordes didn't really topple the western empire until the 400s (right, historians?). These guys would be perfectly fine with that amount of time.
Reading through this, halfway I started thinking about the Roman Empire, and then they mention it...
I wonder how many millions the Roman Empire killed. It must have been many.
If Bush = Julius Caesar who's Brutus? Cheney?
Does that make Gonzales Caesar Augustus? (that's a thought that's going to fester)
I like this headline from the FSM site: Is Any of the Presidential Candidates Perfect?
Conclusively proving that with friends like this we already have an enemy.
So Digby has unveiled this and brought on the brilliant snark and horror response here and it's all good.
Plainly, our leftwing conspiracy theorists who've been mocked and denigrated aren't so crazy after all. You simply can't be too conspiracy-minded or cynical in this country anymore. Impossible.
Hooooeeee! Methinks somebody's been taking a certain HBO series a little too much to heart, haven't they?
Modern Romans, for true. And I'll bet this drooling lackwit thinks he's proconsul material.
You can almost feel sorry for the poor slobs: This is what 60+ years of nuclear blue-balls can do to certain weak-minded individuals. Only genocide can restore their flagging ... enthusiasm.
Hmmm...and we're encouraged to believe that, because of his rhetoric, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is so crazy that he has to be taken out?
I posted about this a few days ago, and what got to me was how many people thought it was a spoof.
I'd heard it originally on on the Thom Hartmann show, and when I reminded commenters that Thom isn't one to kid around in that way, they gave it credibility.
Interesting responses.
I'm glad you revived the original post. Good stuff. Thanks!
FSM is mainly about hating Mexicans. Among other things, they send a retired INS agent named Michael Cutler (also of the "Center for Immigration Studies") to do local radio and stir up the rubes. When the Senate passed a change to Euro visas recently, the local non wingnut radio host googled up Cutler and called him to interview for an expert. Needless to say 10 minutes in it's all "wide open borders", drunk murdering mexicans, and terrorists. You know, the usual. So I call in and ask him where he got his estimate of 24 million illegal immigrants in the US. He calculated it himself, he says. I guess he figured no one is paying attention. He's probably right most of the time.
SIde note: same radio host responds to Sicko by interviewing Stuart Browning to get the other side of the story. Idon't think it's intentional, though, just cluelessness.
How refreshing. A Republican that isn't a hypocrite. One that comes out and says what the others only dream.
It is meant to be a provocative article. It is not meant as advocating this scenario, just pointing out that if liberal activists persist on their present course, this may be the best remaining alternative.
nabalzbbfr | 08.20.07 - 9:03 pm | #
That is actually a threat. I don't know how serious you are, but what are liberals threatening with? Democracy? Liberty?
There exist some people who seem to say: "If you don't let us oppress other people then you oppress us!". You can't misunderstand liberty more than that.
Well, what can you say, except, did you hear about the Brazilians in Iraq?
An aide went up to Bush and sez, "Hay, Chimp, three Brazilians are dead in Iraq!"
Bush sez, "OMG! How many's a brazillian?"
My favorite part of Atkinson's self-bio:
"With determination, skill and a little luck I forged a career in computers before being forced into retirement in 1991; a fate that brought as much relief as anxiety. No more salary, little chance of ever getting a job, but no longer having to pretend that the community and its administration was sane. And I was fortunate that my second wife, an Australian by birth, was happy to work so her husband did not, and for the first time in my life I was blessed with leisure. Not only did I not have to toil, but also I did not have to worry about paying the bills, which is another essential qualification for any student of the community."
Incredible, this man's willful delusions.
Thanks for noting/recording this astonishing document.
Is it time to buy a gun yet?
Thanks -
"I hope people realize that the modern conservative movement was, at heart, ultimately ALWAYS about such radical and extreme ideas and policies."
-(Kovie)
A good point. An obvious point. A true point.
But one may also add that the modern conservative movement will ALWAYS BE about such ideas and policies.
And the modern liberal or progressive movement will ALWAYS be about allowing them to continue in this manner.
As a matter of principle you say? Certainly.
The event horizon of fascism hardly aims for inclusivity; it aims for the utter destruction of liberalism.
Liberalism cannot self generate an event horizon which would exclude the survival of fascism, as its values lack the exigency to do so.
What must be realized is that a modern democracy and the continuance of fascism are mutually exclusive.
The solution? Vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton and the Democratic party.
Perhaps a brief interregnum of Neo fascism will succeed in allaying the advent of the real thing.
The defense of private corporate capital can always throw out a few bones of pretense to the idiot Democratic party true believers.
Long enough so the ruling class money can secure its capital to whether the storm.
Remember!
Hillary Rodham Clinton!
That is actually a threat. I don't know how serious you are, but what are liberals threatening with? Democracy? Liberty?
Liberal know-nothings are threatening to undo all the gains the Bush Administration has achieved in the Global War on Terror during the past 6 years, putting us in a far worse position than we were on 9/10/2001. This would be an unimaginable disaster - in effect America would be committing national hari-kiri. If there is a serious chance this might come to pass in the 2008 elections, then Atkinson's proposal is a far better alternative.
What Joe Bacon said.
I've heard a few times in the last couple years now from right wing fundy types that dictatorship might be a better option.
Is there some system flying under the radar that is pushing this onto millions of church goers?
I guess this numskull didn't read the part about how Cesear ended up dead.
Is there some system flying under the radar that is pushing this onto millions of church goers?
Mass stupidity.
Oh. My. God. I was so bored by the opening bit with the sophomoric issue about 'popular' vs. 'wise' that I almost stopped reading before I got to the part about the 'wise' choice having been to use nuclear weapons to obliterate a nation that had not attacked us and had no means to attack us. Since the Iraqis could not have complied with Bush's demands that they destroy weapons they didn't have, killing them all would have been his only 'wise' option.
Are we absolutely sure this isn't some Swiftian masterpiece? Could anyone seriously have written about Bush saving the world from terrorists armed with nuclear weapons mere paragraphs after advocating nuclear genocide of Iraq? How self-righteous and oblivious is it possible for a human to be?
Anyway, who gave them permission to use the Flying Spaghetti Monster's abbreviation like that?
And here comes Jill arguing nothing can be done.
Reminds me of when I met my Aunt's second husband. He started opining about America's role in the world when he learned that my girlfriend was a returned Peace Corps volunteer. Hearing her Peace Corps philosophy, he countered with "Why would people object to being taken over by a superior culture?" He was dead serious.
Liberal know-nothings are threatening to undo all the gains the Bush Administration has achieved in the Global War on Terror during the past 6 years, putting us in a far worse position than we were on 9/10/2001.
It's telling you don't tell what those achievements are. Is it the torture regime? The Iraq invasion/occupation?
Bat.
Shit.
Crazy.
Did you ever think you would see the day when Americans were openly calling for the end of parliamentary representation and the institution of Caesarian dictatorship?
I wonder if this asshole knows that Caesar was assassinated because of his advocacy of land redistribution downward and promise of cash payments to the lower classes?
Bat.
Shit.
Crazy.
"Thanks for noting/recording this astonishing document." -(Michael Jensen)
-No Michael it is not at all "astonishing."
What is astonishing is how many commentors on this thread believe it to be "astonishing."
It is as if they refuse to believe they are living in America.
Why is that?
I already know, so its your turn to tell me.
Oh. My. Gawd.
By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government.
Hmmmmm.
I've always wondered who the real terrorists and insurgents were supposed to be.
Here's the answer:
Us.
It's telling you don't tell what those achievements are. Is it the torture regime? The Iraq invasion/occupation?
For the record, I don't think Atkinson's scenario is likely. I think the American people will wise up soon and elect President Giuliani in 2008 to continue building upon the solid foundations of American greatness laid by President Bush.
"And here comes Jill arguing nothing can be done."
-(Bengt Larsson)
No Bengt.
A lot can be done, but the first thing to do is start thinking clearly, so you will know what to do.
Then you will start to see things as you move along.
Right now?
A brutal stasis.
jesusgodallmighty
"It's telling you don't tell what those achievements are. Is it the torture regime? The Iraq invasion/occupation?"
For the record, I don't think Atkinson's scenario is likely. I think the American people will wise up soon and elect President Giuliani in 2008 to continue building upon the solid foundations of American greatness laid by President Bush.
nabalzbbfr | 08.20.07 - 10:12 pm | #
In other words, you've got nothing.
For the record, I don't think Atkinson's scenario is likely.
Ah yes. The tap-dancing begins.
What's next?
Atkinson Was Just Kidding.
Atkinson Didn't Really Mean It.
Atkinson Was Only Expressing His Own Opinion.
For the record, Atkinson didn't say anything about an election of Giuliani or anyone else. He was talking about no election at all.
Okaaaay. Message received, loud and clear.
Whew! Good thing we aren't a democracy any more. I'd be getting worried.
I do have one request for the Flying Spaghetti Monsters, er Family Security Matters ... could they please screen their genocidal maniacs for writing ability? Either that or get a fucking editor. It is one thing to advocate serial genocide and the murder of billions. It is quite another thing to butcher English that way. That's just wrong.
nablahblahblah--
Wow. You're that scared of a few thousand whacked-out jihadists?
What a coward.
The right-wing certainly is the voice of the elephant.
The elephant that is terrified by the ant.
Do you actually think that we are under threat?
If so, let me introduce you to the submarine arm of the US Navy, which could do exactly what Batkinson advocates here: nuke everything.
Oh, and then there's about 1000 nuclear capable long-range bombers in the US Air Force, not to mention the tens of thousands of ICBM warheads it controls.
In short, we have more nukes than they have people.
I don't think they're going to destroy us.
In fact, I'd say we're the safest we've ever been here our Plutonium Curtain.
Nations pose no threat whatsoever to US security, and al Qaeda and every other terrorist group could easily have been eliminated long ago if the Administration didn't want bin Laden alive to use for scaring wimps like you into accepting totalitarianism.
Your subservience is exceeded only by your mental weakness.
"This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar..."
Oh, my. I missed that the first time through. I had forgot that, after hanging Brutus, Cassius, and the other conspirators from meat hooks, Julius went on to rule for 700 years before ascending into heaven trailing clouds of glory, though not before setting up his great-great-great-great grandson Octavian as Decider for Life.
I do not know of any gains the fascists in the Bush government have made since 9/11 nabalzbbfr, - would you kindly provide some examples?
From my perspective, if the Bush government was not complicit in the horrors and mass murder operations of 9/11, (and there is plenty of evidence warranting that suspicion that has NOT been investigated thoroughly), then they were incompent. Every office, agency, organization and individual in the BUSH GOVERNMENT were defeated on 9/11 by 19 jihadist mass murderers (15 of them Saudi) using our planes and box cutters. Either way 9/11 was a failure of epic proportions that fall squarely on the Bush government.
Then after 9/11, most of the world lept to America's aid, and proclaimed, (even in Iran) that "we are all Americans now!" Six years later the entire world hates us, and for many sound, well justified reasons. We are torturers, pathological liars, imperialists, supremists, fascists, profiteers, warmongers, and disproportionately influence by socalled kristian zealots who proselytize the same malignancy as bin Laden, and all the jihadist freaks. The speak is peppered with a different flavor, the books, and profits are different, - but the underlying hate and biggotry is exactly the same.
America is mire in a bloody, costly, horrorshow whose mission is very very far from accomplished in Iraq and muslims who did not attack America, had no working relationship with Al Quaida or jihadist, and posed no threat to any nation, and certainly not America. The fascist in the Bush government lied about the jusitifactions for the horrorshow in Iraq, the lied and continue lying about the costs in blood and treasure, the timeframes, and the ultimate objectives of the noendinsight costly bloody nightmare, and excuse for wanton profiteering in Iraq.
If there are any gains, and I know of NONE, - they pale in comparison to the losses, and the deceptions, abuses, failures, pervesions, and ruthless betrayals America has sufffered and must now hazard under the fascists in the Bush government.
"Deliver us from evil!"
I dunno, as bat shit crazy stupid as the article Digby posted is, uh...this is just a public outgrowth of the same old shit these moronic goons have been talking about for years. Nowadays it's on the web. They used to photocopy this shit and hand it out on street corners. Check the pic embedded on skin of the site - that's prime white supremacist imagery there, what with the nice vaguely blonde and blue eyed lady and her tow headed little blue eyed boy.
I kinda think a lot of you are giving the author a lot more credit and influence that what he really has. He sponges off his wife...he contributes to a bat shit cray racist web site. It's the same old propaganda and paranoid fantasy garbage they've always peddled. Brown is the new black, after all.
Are these people bad news? Uh huh. Should we keep them on the radar and expose them for what they are? Sure thing. Do we do what we need to do to keep their influence to a minimum? Of course.
Will they be taking over America in Jan. 2009?
Uh...
You have got to have made this up!!!!! There is no way that any sain person would write this.
Excuse me a moment I dropped my jaw...
That's better. Who the fuck...why the fuck would...
Just fuck!
I love the benign names they give their organizations; 'Family Security Matters'.
I think the first comment pretty much says it.
I thought this was a satire of a nutty neo-con. But this person appears to be serious.
These people are seriously nuts.
Can you say, authoritarian follower?
Tinhorn fascists give me gas.
This makes more sense if you assume he's from Gambino Family Security Matters.
Holy fucking shit! I hope this was actually a joke ... Please, it's a joke, right? hahaha ... right? It's a joke! Right???
Am I wrong or did this guy just advocate the overthrow of the American Government? I'm all for freedom of speech, but I also know that you can not yell fire in a crowed theater.
At some point you have to call out the treasonous and bring them to justice.
In my view this man is a traitor and subversive and should be arrested as such.
Am I wrong, must we let this rotten diatribe like this stand? Do we have to let this vile spread though out our society?
Honestly the biggest qusetion I have is what could possibly have occurred in this guys life to make him so warped and pathetic?
Mr. Donut, I see your point, but have you read Rudy Giuliani's foreign policy proposal? There are quite a lot of scary things there. More military spending. Not a word about Saudi Arabia. Etc.
"Gobsmacked" doesn't quite get at what I felt reading this piece of lunacy. It was more like "Are you fucking kidding me?"
Bush as the savior of humanity and the ruler of the world? From so-called christians?
This is not religion: it is idolatry, pure and simple.
There's nothing quite like suggesting we all must follow the Ten Commandments when these idiots can't even remember the first and foremost of those.
Well, it is a good thing that article was googlecached. Of course it is sincere. And some of those are famous names. James Woolsey was once a CIA director, after all. And these people are not a fringe group either.
These people speak for the Lifted Pinkie brigade of America's Economic Nazi Elite; the same Elite which funded and supported Hitler's rise to power in Germany to begin with. German Nazism has deep Upper Class Roots in America. Notice that I DID NOT SAY deep AMERICAN roots. I said DEEP UPPER CLASS roots IN America. Which is NOT the same thing.
Publishing this article and spreading it around is a very important first step. Saving all the articles these people try scrubbing is also very important. Spreading knowledge of these articles and of the Very Important Persons which staff
these groups to hundreds of millions of European citizens is also very important. Just as America helped lift a finger in Non-Fascist Europe's fight against Fascism/Nazism in Europe in WWII, it may be necessary to
Europe for Europe's own well being to life a finger in Non-Fascist America's
fight against Fascism/Nazism in America today. Of course, if there is
no NonFascist America organized as a fighting force against Fascism/Nazism in America today, then there really is no one for Europe to productively lift an effective finger on behalf of, is there?
So the millions of non-Traitor non-Conservatives in America really have to decide whether they are going to try to debate the supporters of this article, or combat them. Liberal Pussyism would call for debate and reason with the authors of this article. Patriotic Rejectionism would
call for combat of one kind or another. I would suggest non-violent combat while that is still possible, in part because I am still as unarmed and helpless in a shootout as I was when I first discovered hullabaloo. Economic resistance designed to tear down the mainstream economy and plunge
America into a Great Depression so profound as to turn every billionaire into an utter pauper would be one form
of that resistance. I am sure that smarter people than me would have better ideas on what kind of targeted economic combat to wage against the Upper Class in order to bring it down and destroy it before it destroys us. And I wish those smarter people would start suggesting things.
I do know one thing. If Pussy Liberal Surrender Monkeys continue to frame the terms of our response, then America has a Social Class Nazi future.
OMG! It is thinking like this that make people hate Americans. When I became a citizen - I was so proud - now I'm just plain scared at what this wonderful Country has become.
Mr. Donut, I see your point, but have you read Rudy Giuliani's foreign policy proposal? There are quite a lot of scary things there. More military spending. Not a word about Saudi Arabia. Etc.
Bengt Larsson | 08.20.07 - 11:24 pm |
Bengt, I have read Rudy's confused and awful statement on foreign policy, but I simply have believe that enough Americans are done with that type of attitude and approach and that we will not collectively choose it next year. I'm curious if you think that Rudy's stances are getting traction with anyone but the GOP base right now? I'm talking about those elusive independent swing voters...
I guess I think that crap has just about run its course and Bush has basically found in the Surge a way to kick the can down the road and let the next gal or guy take it up. He'd prefer a Rudy or a Willard to do that, of course. Anyway, second term presidents do that all the time...I honestly think Bush is tired of Iraq and that means he's tired of his one and only real foreign policy initiative/centerpiece. It was supposed to be the crown jewel of his presidency, in his mind (or Karl's) but look at what it is instead. Sure, in public he goes through the motions, but I think it's ground him and everyone around him down. Again, I just think most voter are sick to death of what that type of foreign policy approach (if you can call it that) reaps.
Really, you may of course disagree, but I just don't think any of the GOPers have found the right notes, at all, that will sound with the voters next year. We've been going it alone militarily and failing miserably diplomatically (when diplomacy is even attempted, that is) and spending like mad and I just have the sense that the majority is really fed up with it.
"For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons."
And he wants America to be those terrorists, after which there'll be no humanity to save.
Wish I hadn't read this so late in the evening, it is NOT condusive to peaceful sleep.
Just call me Brutus.
After reading this, does anyone doubt that the wingnuts in the White House, with such ardent and insane backers, are on the brink of declaring MARTIAL LAW, and ditching our democracy???
Immediately after getting re-elected in 2004, Bush and his wingnuts pals set in motion their plans for seizing permanent power, with Alberto Gonzales doing what he's been doing at the Justice Department an important part.
But let's not forget the secret warrantless wiretapping of U.S. citizens, U.S. spy satellites training their spy cameras on U.S. soil, large amounts of taxpayer money going around the nation to police departments and DHS centers to buy their loyalty, the building of $385 million worth of secret detention centers due for completion by the end of this year, DHS setting up a TIPS program from which to pay informers who spy on and turn in other citizens, pastors being recruited into "Clergy Response Teams" to mobilize in case of martial law, Bush executive orders stating he'll "consult" with Congress and the Supreme Court "if" he declares martial law following a national emergency (and solely based on his judgment), the overturning of the 1878 Posse Comitas Act and suspension of the habeas corpus right of suspected "enemy combatants" (based solely on Bush arbitrarily deciding who or who isn't an "enemy combatant).
Bush-declared MARTIAL LAW looms, my friends, my fellow patriotic American citizens.
And to hell with Bush being Caesar.
holy fucking what the fuck?
ok, now that this has registered, didn't we all know these sycophantic droids believed this psychotic narrative of george bush as the second coming, the conquering jesus, america's "president for life"? yes, yes we did. you can see it in the lack of spark in their eyes, by the stiffness of their expression, the void where body language should be. these people aren't just weird, or wrong, or stupid. i think their brains have been sucked directly out and replaced with some other shit.
this thing, whatever has been done with them, may be a self-replicating and infectious process of some kind. we should really round those already infected up and put them in a bunker.
So many comments, so little time:
I wonder how many millions the Roman Empire killed. It must have been many.
It was many millions, probably. But more importantly, the Roman Empire won over tens and hundreds of millions to "Roman-ness" over the centuries. And even in the last decades, its culture seemed omnipotent.
The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed.
This is ... well, what should one say? Carthago delenda est? We didn't even do this, really, with the Japanese Empire, who had the world's best navy in 1941. We are not Rome. We are not Xerxes' Persia. This man needs medication of some sort.
Finally, while this wingnut dipshit posts insane crap (which, regrettably, gets plenty of funding and applause from the wingnuttosphere), remember this:
They may have gutted the Fourth Amendment. But they haven't yet gutted the Second. Arm yourselves while you can. It profoundly confuses the wingnuttosphere when non-batshit-crazy-right-wingers buy firearms and learn to use them. And it may be your best defense against tyranny.
But...
If Hillary made herself President for life, she would be Attila the Hun, right?
Or at least evil Xena.
I pooped my pants!
Again!
As a middle school composition teacher, I would need to know the emotional level of the student who wrote this as well as what kind of individualized learning plan he was working on in order to judge his writing. Clearly he is doing well with sentence and grammar mechanics, but the lack of coherence, inaccurate understanding of history, absence of ehtical insight and ignorance of effects of nuclear fall-out indicate an almost pre-school level of maturity. In addition, the lack of transitions and habitual use of introductory prepositional phrases implies a lack of logic skills. Disappointing effort. needs improvement.
Does anyone else think the reason Dems are so anemic about standing up to these thugs is because they and/or their families are being threatened?
We've lost many good Dems over the years in mysterious deaths -- have we ever seen the same of any Repubs?
There is no doubt we are dealing with a mob-on-steriods gang and I honestly put nothing past them.
I remember Pelosi making a comment during that blogger conference call a month or so ago, that things were worse than we could imagine. (Not her words, but something to that effect.)
Good chance that we're on our own out here. Wes Clark was interviewed a few weeks ago at the LA ENOUGH rally -- which was combined with the weekly IMPEACH rally. This is part of the conversation:
Retired General Wesley Clark, former Presidential candidate stood with the group for most of the rally. I asked what he thinks of Impeachment. He said he would support the investigation leading to it. I then asked why Congress is not going forward with Impeachment. He explained that people in high public office are pressured heavily in ways that most of us could hardly imagine, to do what the right-wingers want them to do. So, he added “the best hope for our country is you guys, doing what you are doing right here!” Amen.
Good lord.