Please stay on topic. Please don't be asses.
It's Schwarz, digs.
In fairness, the "true" RW foamers are all over Laura for wearing a scarf.
The ones that are so far out there they really don't give a sh*te about who might be offended feel free to jump on her for her pinko Commie Moooslimophilia. They don't need to be hypocrites (in this instance) because Laura's expendable ... and a "suspected lib'rul" to boot, being a former librarian and all....
Cheers,
Mr Schwartz nailed it: IOKIYAR.
Speaking of rightwing hypocrisy, Josh Marshall notes:
Even now, at the point when bluffing would have maximum advantage, most of leading conservative and pro-life lights are happy to get behind Rudy Giuliani's candidacy.
She looks like she's at a costume shop trying on Little Black Riding Hood. Actually, it's quite a fetching look for her.
her little back dress?????????
I remember a time when women had to wear head scarves when entering a Catholic church. Catholicofascism! Yes, I know that's redundant.
on the other hand, i wish they'd been a little more accurate with their rockets when shooting at wolfie, too.
The part of this discussion that I can't accept is the suggestion that the right would criticize any expression of anti-Semitism that didn't come from one of our proxies.
No, really, folks. They don't like "the Jews" any more than they like "them A-rabs" (or blacks, or hispanics, or asians, or even the Irish, for that matter). Like Nixon, today's Republicans tolerate "the Jews" to the extent that they are useful, either symbolically for their supposed role in the Rapture or directly through Israel's role as a military proxy, just as they support right-wing Arab proxies. The batshit crazies in Iowa who used to talk about the ZOG are biting their tongues for now, but the genteel anti-Semites in Darien and New Canaan still think, "of course you want Our Old Testament Friends doing your taxes, but that hardly means we need to let them into the yacht club."
They do not "support Israel" in the sense of supporting its long-term survival. An Israeli state that reached an accommodation with its neighbors would not serve their interests nearly as well as one that is forced into a Masada mentality.
I've ranted at some length about this because it's really important to emphasize that anti-Semitism, like all forms of ethnocentrism, is a fundamentally reactionary habit of thought that all progressives need to repudiate.
Well, back in the day, Jumblat was a dyed-in-the-wool Phalangist, or as we call 'em in this neck o' the woods, a fascist. Using him as an example of Arab thinking is like saying the KKK's Grand Wizard is the ultimate representative of caucasian sensibilities.
Now, normally, Cheney and crowd would be careful about being around a rabidly anti-American, anti-Israeli fella, but given the fact that he's a fascist...well.....that's alright, eh?
When you're in with the "in" crowd, I guess you're in like Flynt!
That black number suits Laura quite well.
What the hell? Maybe it's just the black fabric, but Pickles looks absolutely ghastly. Every pic I've seen of her lately, she look slike the Joker with the face makeup. I saw Snagglepuss Condi earlier, and she's looking pretty corrugated these days herself. I guess going 20 rounds with El Dicko every week doesn't help.
Hey, I have an Idea!
Anyone opining on Muslims, Arab Christians or Jews, the Middle East in general, Iran, should have to pass an online quiz.
Locate the capitals of 5 ME countries. Name the single terrorist attack that killed the most people in the Middle East - perpetrators and victims - (hint - 256, Haganah, Jews). Identify and provide a photo of Asma al Assad. Like that.
A take home. Not too hard, what with Wikipedia and all.
Fewer comments, and more interesting, one hopes.
Element 5,
Actually , Jumblatt was and is a dyed-in-the-wool Lebanese Druze, not a Phalangist--although both were for a time allied with Israel. He feels abandoned by Israel and, right or wrong, has in turn turned on it. Batshit crazy? Perhaps. Par for the course in the mideast? Of course. This is the part of the world where the enemy of my enemy is--are they my enemy or friend this week?--it's always hard to keep track.
Don't forget, we were for Saddan and Bin Laden, before we were against them--and vice-versa. It's like a crazy square dance where people are always changing partners, to the sounds of guns and bombs. Now shoot your partner, doh-see-doh.
I was surprised that the comments weren't made by Sun Myung Moon. He's slung more than a few similar Bon Mots during his time in the public limelight. Yet there's, not surprisingly, almost always one R or another up Moon's ass, no matter what he says.
I guess money really IS the best deodorant.
Thank you Kovie, you beat me to that. Also, Mr. Anonymous, the King David Hotel bombing was not Haganah, it was Irgun. If you are going to brag about your superior knowledge of facts, you should be very careful to have correct the facts you brag about your superior knowledge of.
Someone once described Middle East Diplomacy as trying to play a game of checkers, where the squares are moving around as well as the checkers.
25 November 1940 : Haifa. Sinking of the S.S. Patria, Over 250 killed.
"In November 1940, two of the ships reached Palestinian waters, and the British interned the newly arrived "illegals." On November 20, the Mandate authorities announced that the immigrants would be expelled to the island of Mauritius. The illegals were transferred to the Patria in Haifa harbor preparatory to expulsion. The Haganah put a protest bomb on the Patria. The explosion, instead of being a symbolic display, blew out the side of the ship, which sank almost immediately. Over 250 lives were lost."
-J. Bower Bell, Terror Out of Zion , Dublin, Academy Press, 1977, p. 53
See also:
Mardor, Munya H., Strictly Illegal, London, Robert Hale, 1964, p. 56
Bauer, Yehuda, From Diplomacy to Resistance, A History of Jewish Palestine 1939-1945, Philadelphia, Jewish Publication Society of America, 1970, p. 108.
Sykes, Christopher, Crossroads to Israel, 1917-1948, Bloomington, Indiana University Press, 1973.
Koestler, Arthur, Promise and Fulfillment, New York, Mac Millan, 1949.
The Haganah were expert bombers. There is much more.
The Bell book is illuminating for those who would like to expand their understanding of terrorism.
You got me, Mr. Anonymous. I never
even thought about ship-bombings. (Did anyone else here think about that?) So I went to wikipedia just like you said, except after the fact, and looked up haganah, and followed all the wikileads, and couldn't find any reference to the Patria bombing/sinking. So I google-typed 'palestine haganah terror' and found it here, on this site:
http://guardian.150m.com/palesti...h-
terrorism.htm
So in tribute to you, it was there.
In fairness to me, it was NOT findable
through wikipedia, so suggesting wikipedia was a false lead. But a good
lesson on the knowledge-seeker blocking power of pre-programmed search-images all the same; in that I am programmed to think 'Irgun' or 'Stern Gang', not 'Haganah', when presented with a question about terrorist incidents from the Zionist Movement side.
So now I have a question for Mr. Anonymous or anyone else who cares to try just for fun: who was America's first Jewish Secretary of State?
R U Reddy/Anonymous,
I consulted a book I have, A History of Israel, by Howard M. Sachar, and on p. 237 it briefly described this incident, in which 240 Jews and 12 British police were killed.
However, I would suggest that, at least according to these descriptions, it was not an act of terrorism, per se, in that it wasn't intended to kill anyone--or at least in large numbers (not sure where the bomb was placed and whether precautions were taken to avoid any loss of life or injury), but rather an act of sabotage intended to achieve a very specific aim. Or, at most, an act of insurgency or guerrilla warfare.
There is a difference, I think you'd both agree, between terrorism, which is against civilians (or simply indescriminate), and insurgency or guerrilla warfare, which is against military and other security or official personnel (but which may, of course, inadvertantly kill or injure civilians). E.g. 9/11 was terrorism, IEDs in Iraq against US troops are insurgency. This act appears to be the latter. Whereas the King David bombing was the former (or both, really).
I suppose that one could call 9/11 both terrorism and guerrilla warfare, if the various security personnel that were known to be in several of the buildings affected, were targeted.
In any case, the whole history of that era is pretty nasty, on all sides. Between this incident, the King David bombing, Deir Yassin, the Altalena, Egyptian Fedayeen, and a decade or so later Sharon's infamous Units 101 and 202 and Kfar Kassem (and the Hebron massacres of '29, etc.), there was a lot of indescriminate killing all around. But it wasn't limited to only Jewish groups by any means. I'm from there and my parents grew up during this era, and know a bit about the history--and am learning more every day, obviously.
The US media tends to grossly oversimplify the difference between terrorism, insurgency and guerrilla warfare, unfortunately (but unsurprisingly), and public discourse (to the extent that there is any) suffers from it. The administration, of course, exploits this to make it appear that Iraq is about anti-US terrorism, which it is not and never has been. Although, it may someday very well be, for obvious reasons. Of course, invading it was never about anti-US terrorism or national security (unless you consider controlling mideast oil to be about national security). But that's a whole other topic.
R U Reddy,
I assume that despite his Hebrew first name, Elihu B. Washburne was not Jewish, so I'm going to go with Kissinger. Were there others? Albright was born Jewish but raised Christian.
Sachar's book in general stands against many contemporary accounts, and the work of many modern Israeli historians. The deaths of the Patria refugees created a serious political problem for the British. The Zionist fighters had very serous experience with explosives. The list below for 1938 does not include most of the activities of Orde Wingate's mixed British/Jewish Special Night Squads or the Zionist Special Squads, who caused much destruction in the Arab villages. Pleanty of explosives used. The Haganah rarely made mistakes.
And regarding the Guardian site, as has been rightly pointed out the internet has its drawbacks as a research tool.
The Guardian says, regarding Zionist violence from August 20, 1937 to June 29, 1939: "During this period, the Zionists carried out a series of attacks against Arab buses, resulting in the death of 24 persons and wounding 25 others."
Killing 24 and wounding 25. Well, that is an incomplete account. The following is also incomplete, but gives a more accurate picture, for the summer of 1938. From there the carnage goes on, in this period, through late 1939, in much the same way. Later there were other periods of extreme violence. Regarding sources, the Palestine Post was the newspaper of Ben Gurion's faction, with the largest circulation in Palestine. Bell's book is considered to be sympathetic to his subjects. The following may give a small sense of why Arabs might view the west's 'war on terror' with some scepticism.
18 April 1938: Haifa. Bombing of cafe.
"APRIL 18. Bomb thrown into Haifa Arab cafe." -Palestine Post, 1 January 1939 P.3:4.
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4 July 1938: Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. Attacks on Arab civilians; 5 killed, 20 wounded. Irgun.
"On July 4 the Irgun attacked Arab quarters, first in Jerusalem and then in Tel Aviv. Five were killed and twenty wounded." -Bell, Terror out of Zion, p.42.
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6 July 1938 : Haifa. Bombing of the fruit and vegetable market 27 killed and 75 wounded. Irgun.
"Two days later an 'Arab' porter carried milk cans into the Haifa fruit and vegetable market. As soon as he found an empty corner, he left his cans and disappeared into the crowd. A few minutes later the cans detonated with a huge roar, spewing fire and fragments into the milling crowd of shoppers. Twenty three Arabs were killed and seventy nine wounded." -Bell, Terror out of Zion, p.42.
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7 July 1938 : Jerusalem. Bombing; 2 killed, 5 wounded.
"Two Arabs were killed, two others seriously and three others slightly injured when a bomb was thrown yesterday morning from a roof into David Street, Old City of Jerusalem, not far from the place where Moshe Savan and his son Haim were shot dead at noon on Tuesday.
The bomb, which was thrown at 8 o'clock, when the street is usually thronged, exploded with a loud detonation, fatally wounding El Haj Mahmoud Shawish, 60, a grocer, who has a shop in the Old City, and who comes from Wadi Joz Quarter, and Farah Ismeih, aged 60, a Christian greengrocer, who lives in Bab Khan el Zeit. They succumbed at the government hospital, one at 10:30 a.m. and the other at 5 p.m." -Palestine Post, 8 July 1938, p. 1.
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7 July 1938 : Jerusalem. Bombing; 3 killed. 28 injured.
"Two Tanganyika Muslims Killed on North Road. Shots Fired from Car on Stationary Taxi. K'far Saba, Thursday. Baklo Ali Tanji, 45, and Jafer Mulharumen Sajowni, 38, two moslem merchants of Tanganyika who were here on a business trip, were mortally wounded and two others were injured at 6 o'clock this morning when shots were fired on the North Road between Ra'anana and Kfar Saba. -Palestine Post, 8 July 1938, p. 2:2.
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8 July 1938 : Jerusalem. Bombing; 3 killed. 28 injured.
"At 10.30 this morning [July 8] a bomb was thrown in the car park below the Jaffa Gate, Jerusalem. Three Arabs were killed, two were very seriously wounded and 26 other Arabs were injured." -Palestine Post, 10, July 1938, p. 2.
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15 July 1938 : Jerusalem. Bombing; 10 killed and 29 wounded. Irgun
"Nearly 40 casualties, of which ten were fatal, were inflicted in the narrow, crowded main bazaar street of the Old City of Jerusalem shortly after midday on Friday when a powerful bomb exploded among a large throng of Arab villagers.
Five Arab women, three men and two boys were killed or died soon afterwards, and 29 others were injured, many seriously. There has been no outrage of this magnitude in Jerusalem since the disturbances began.
The bomb was thrown near the end of David Street, at the side of the vegetable market, at 1.15 in the afternoon.
The explosion was followed by scenes of appalling horror. The crowds which were in the narrow street were panic-stricken by the loud detonation and the police and troops who were on the scene immediately found the street resembling a battlefield.
Limbs were scattered about and men and women were lying along the streets." -Palestine Post, 17 July 1938, p. 1.
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25 July 1938 : Haifa.Bombing of Arab market; 39 killed, 46 wounded. Irgun.
"The biggest explosion of all came on July 25, again in Haifa, leaving thirty-nine dead and forty six wounded." -Bell, Terror out of Zion, p. 42.
"Early this morning, a bomb exploded in the Arab Melon Market in the Kingsway, Haifa. Thirty-nine Arabs were killed, on whom 33 have been identified. The number of Arabs injured is 46....The explosion of what appears to have been a land mine occurred in the same vegetable market between the British Sailors' Home and the Central Police Station where a bomb exploded on July 6. The detonation, which sounded like thunder, and was heard in many parts of the town, was accompanied by the hurling of bodies, killed, maimed and injured, in all directions.
It is reported that the sound of the explosion was heard as for away as Acre.
By the time the police arrived, 35 Arabs were dead; among the bloodspattered human remains were the mangled bodies of three horses, several mules and donkeys which had brought the villager's produce to this crowded market." -Palestine Post, 25 July 1938, p. 1.
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26 July 1938 : Jerusalem. Attempted bombing. Irgun
"On July 26, for example, the day after the big bomb in Haifa, a similar attempt was planned in the old city. Eighteen year old Yaacov Raz, dressed as an Arab, pushed a barrow of vegetables with a time bomb inside into the watermelon market. By this time Arabs had become acutely suspicious of unfamiliar bearers of cucumber casks or strange shoeshine boys. (Suspicion was heightened as there was a porters strike that day.) An Arab woman stared at him and suddenly shouted, 'Yahud! Yahud!' (Jew! Jew!). Someone else snatched Raz's basket and found the bomb under the vegetables. Realizing his danger, Raz turned and was rushing through the crowded market, hoping to disappear down an alley of into the crowd; but the alarm spread too quickly. Just as he was nearly away an Arab leaned forward and shot him as he fled." -Bell, Terror out of Zion, p. 42-43.
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28 August 1938: Haifa. Bombing. Twenty four killed, thirty five wounded.
"59 Arab casualties in Jaffa bomb outrage.
Twenty four arabs were killed and thirty five wounded by the explosion of a bomb in the vegetable market in Jaffa at 7 o'clock on Friday morning.
The bomb was composed of aluminum rivets, possibly charged with gelignite, and fitted with a time mechanism.
The detonation was heard all over Tel Aviv." -Palestine Post, 1 January 1939 P. 4:3.
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1938 : Jaffa and Salameh. Letter Bombs, trap bombs, time bombs, and attacks on buses and the village of Salameh. Irgun.
" The Irgun attacks continued. One of the most active men was Gundar 'Arieh' Yitzhaki, who had been dismissed [from the Irgun] for tossing the first retaliatory bomb into the Arab café in Yazur the previous year. Arieh became the Irgun's explosives expert, devising letter bombs to mail to Arabs in Jaffa, trap bombs that would detonate when the C.I.D. explosives experts tried to dismantle them, and disguised time bombs for the Arab markets. He used as well as made his bombs, throwing them into shops in Jaffa, cutting the railway lines, participating in operations against the Arab buses on the Jaffa-Salmeh road, and in the attack on the village of Salmeh." -Bell, Terror out of Zion, p. 43.
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23 September 1938: Danna. Attack. SNS
"On the 23d of September there was another engagement on the scale of Dabburiya and Beit Lidd. Hussein Ali Diab and Naif Zobi had both returned from Syria and were reassembling a gang near Danna. Information came to Ein Harod about these movements and once again Danna was surrounded. Again the gang was routed with twelve men killed including Hussein Ali Diab.
"The wretched little town where this happened typified the miseries of the ordinary people of Palestine. Two years before it had been a prosperous market-place by the bare standards of Levant rural life; now half its population had fled and some of its houses had been torn down as official punishment for harbouring gangsters and rebels, and fields lay untended. By the end of the rebellion it was scarcely a human habitation, and since those days it has vanished from the map. The people dwelling in Danna in the Summer of 1939 lived in constant fear of being rounded up for interrogation by the squadsmen, and in equal fear of assassination by rebels suspicious of betrayal to the squadsmen. (1) (Ezra Danin)"
-Sykes, Wingate, p. 178-9
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Were there others? Yes! There was one other.
Judah Benjamin was Secretary of State of the Confederate States of America from 1862 till 1864. Here is the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Jud...dah_P._Benjamin
Notice the trickiness of how I worded the question. I didn't specifically say "the UNITED STATES OF
America's" first Jewish Secretary of State. I just said "America's" first Jewish Secretary of State, and let the
power of assumption do the rest. Kind
of like my assumption that if it says "mass casualty bombing", it must be "Irgun". But Mr. Anonymous was more heavy-handedly misdirecting than I was, because he said look on wikipedia, and wikipedia was not the place to find the answer. My misdirection was based solely on leaving certain key words out, not on putting misleading words in. And I don't think Mr. Anonymous even found his information from the internet. I bet he learned it from books and only after some fairly extensive reading. So he shouldn't insult us for not automatically having his special knowledge and failing to "just look it
up".
Your point about what terrorism is and isn't is a good one. The false bromide that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" can be countered with a functional/operational operation of terrorism as against guerilla war as against sabotage. If I understand "terrorisim", wouldn't "terrorism" be an attack designed to offend or outrage or terrorise the target into doing something which the attacker is not strong enough to make the target do? So for example the Baader-Meinhoff gang attacks in Germany were designed to make the German government respond against whole sectors of German society with such overwhelmingly repressive zeal that German society would turn against the German government. The German government remained measured in its responses, and German society turned against the Baader-Meinhoffs, so Baader-Meinhoff terrorism didn't work. The 9/11 attacks would be pure terrorism, because they were designed to frighten
and outrage America into launching a war against the Muslim world. Lucky Osama...he hit the Trifecta. He picked exactly the right President.
In Iraq, could we call insurgent attacks on our soldiers to be guerilla
warfare, whereas al Quaeda attacks on Shia worshippers, shrines, etc., were terrorism? Could one call Hezbollah attacks on soldiers to be guerilla war
whereas suicide bombings of restaurants for psychological effect could be called terrorism? If I am not getting the distinctions right, let me know.
R U Reddy,
I'd say that you have it mostly right. I'm no expert, but the differences seem to generally be fairly clear in most cases. The examples cited by anon were clearly terrorism, designed to expel Arabs from parts of Mandatory British Palestine that was targeted for Jewish control once the British left. But also, I suppose, to create such headaches for the British that they'd want to leave--which of course they did, after WWII. So in a sense they were indirect forms of insurgency as well, using civilians as fodder.
So maybe it's not so clear, after all.
Like I wrote, I have some personal stake in all this. Although I was born many years later, when Israel had long since become a state, my mom was born in Tel Aviv around the time of all these incidents. My dad emmigrated as a young boy with his family from Bulgaria near the end of WWII, and they were settled in Jaffa, whose Arab residents were in the process of being expelled (or would be several years later). And I have some distant relatives who were in the Irgun, doing god knows what. I met them occasionally growing up, and knew this about them, but never asked them about it. Not sure I want to know, given that we're related. I don't think that I have any relatives who were in the Hagganah.
I was never taught about any of this growing up, either in Israel or in Hebrew school. I was instead fed the usual myths, and it wasn't until college that I began to realize what had actually happened. I think that it was reading David Grossman's The Yellow Wind that finally woke me up to the fact that there was a whole other side to the Israeli-Arab story. The book is specifically about Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, but is really about the whole sad history of how they came to be refugees. It was policy, from the start. Ethnic cleansing, basically, like the US did to native Indians. I am not "anti-Israel", mind you. I support its existance and right to legitimately defend itself against actual threats and dangers, for both inherent and practical reasons. But I am anti-propaganda, oppression and violence as tools of political warfare, and think that if Jews such as myself have the right to their own state, so do Palestinians, whatever form it takes.
anonymous,
Thanks. In that last citation, is that Sykes the same as the one of Skyes-Picot fame, whose drawing up of arbitary lines in the sand to divy the former Ottoman Mesopotamia between England and France ultimately led to the mess that is Iraq today? Funny how so much tragedy was caused by British and French beaurocrats.
Actually the Patria is in Wikipedia as the 'Patria Disaster'. Interesting phrasing. And your criticism as to special knowlege is fair. But there are many books, and quite a number of informative sites on ME issues. A great deal gets said on 'progressive' blogs that would not be said if people learned a little more and tried a bit to get into the other guys skin. Try googling Asma al Assad, to break the stereotype in the photo above, for instance. al Assad is in Turkey, with his wife. She is an icon there. Wildly popular. But wait - no hijab? Yeah, no hijab. An icon in Turkey, but no hijab. So what does that mean? It means that the way most Americans think about the world is very limited. And given our size and power, that is not good.
Kovie/R U Reddy -
The Sykes of the quotation is the son of the Sykes of Sykes/Picot. Interesting connection.
I have to apologize for my tone I think. I got into this via some - upsetting - comments on similar topics elsewhere. If everyone were as thoughtful as you folks. As someone with a little Arabic and some special knowlege it is hard to keep calm sometimes.
I agree about Israel. It could have worked, painfully, but worked. My girlfriend's mother is Sudeten German. A refugee with her mother and brothers at the age of one. Stuff happens. It's when it doesn't stop that things get out of hand. And they haven't, unfortunately.
anonymous,
I guess I missed the tone part, as I joined the thread late. No offense taken or perceived. I often find myself under "attack" by folks on the far left and right. I.e. those on the far left who seem to believe that among all countries that have oppressed and even continue to oppress other peoples, Israel is uniquely illegitimate as a sovereign country, and those on the far right who want to nuke those Ay-Rabs into oblivion. And then, of course, there are those nutty "Zionist Christians", whom I don't trust or like much, who will likely turn on Israel and Jews when they realize that they have no intention of converting to Christianity or (intentionally) bringing about Armageddon.
My bottom-line rule is that everybody deserves and has a right to be treated decently, no matter what their parents did or their "people" continue to do. I despise what BushCo and others like them have done but don't hate the US in the slightest. Same thing for Israel, Palestine, Germany, etc. Collective blame and retribution just doesn't cut it for me.
It all reminds me of the numerous hugs and kisses that former President Clinton bestowed on Yaser Arafat, and the hug and kisses Mrs. Clinton gave to Mrs. Arafat subsequently.
What a silly-ass post. I guess when you've got nothing, you go with this kind of vapidity.
Didn't the ReThuglicans have a hissy fit when Hillary met with some folks in Lebanon or Syria.
So is Laura Bush endorsing the ways of repressive regimes that objectify women and do not give them the right to vote or even be seen in public without a veil? IOKIYAR.
Lets see..how did LGF put it to Pelosi?Oh yes."How Quaint".This will make a fine companion piece to the "Bush holding hands with Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah" collection.Look,you've got two options:respect other people and their culture and be diplomatic,or kill them,and their children.I'll take "quaint".
Anonymous,
Thank you for understanding the nature of my distress. Yes..most of us are a thoughtful group most of the time. There is a saying: stupid is forever but ignorance can be fixed. And ignorance is merely non-possession
of information. But it is hard for people to look up things they have no idea of the names for.
I think Laura needs to put it on the other way 'round.
Co-dependent rhymes-with-witch.
It seems there are two threads here. One thoughtful, and one not. Sad. I used to teach Outward Bound, years and years ago. The beauty of Outward Bound is the short feedback loop. Pay attention, and things pretty much work. And by attention, I mean to the world you are in. Don't pay attention, and they really don't. If they don't, you know it, now. BS, carelessnes and selfishness get you nowhere. Period.
That's our problem, I think. The feedback loops for our behavior are short for the rest of the world, and a few of us. But mostly, here, they are way too long.
Way to change the subject, everyone. This isn't about the ME. It's about the US.
Hey Pickles, there's a new thing out called exercise. Look into it, tubby.
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