Please stay on topic. Please don't be asses.
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jeebus. That's all I can say.
These people could do no better than crawl back under the rock they came from.
Jeebus.
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So, are the Randroids trying to make us believe they tip in the first place? Ha!
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11.01.08 - 6:12 pm | #
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I sure wouldn't want to have lunch with her! I don't like spit in my food.
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11.01.08 - 6:15 pm | #
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A foresic psychologist does not study dead people. A forensic psychologist studies the state of mind of people who commit crimes to determine whether they are capable of aiding in their own defense, whether they should be receiving mental health treatment or be placed in the regular prison population, whether they are likely to commit violence if paroled, and provide testimony to the court on whether someone knew they were doing something wrong and were capable of governing their own behavior at the time of a crime, or should be considered not guilty by reason of insanity.
Try not to be such an idiot, Digby.
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Good thing I hocked a gigantic lung scallop into your pea soup, Dr. Helen, in lieu of your support for 4200 American Dead, 150000 Iraqi dead, a drowned New Orleans, illegal wiretapping of citizens, politicized Justice, destroyed economy, millions of jobs lost or shipped overseas, destroyed environment, and a nation hated the world over. I hope this galvanizes your support for Republicans. Remember; there are more of us that you Galt's Gulch assholes so your soup may be more loogy than soup, capische?
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dsc on the plateau | 11.01.08 - 6:15 pm
You beat me to it.
Lord knows what Instahack's going to be finding in his meals as "all-natural additives", if you know what I mean.
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11.01.08 - 6:21 pm | #
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More class warfare from the cowards and sore losers on the right.
Looks like it's time to set up a guillotine and let the tumbrills roll.
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11.01.08 - 6:22 pm | #
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I believe I read a Digby post about the GOP telling people their worst actions were actually virtues. Bigotry, hatred, ignorance and now chiseling.
Raise your arms and shout, GOP, "We are number ONE!!!...in assholery!!!"
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11.01.08 - 6:22 pm | #
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when did SpongeBob become such a splooge?
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11.01.08 - 6:24 pm | #
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That woman is a moral wasteland.
Not only that, she's essentially saying that lowly people like servers would by definition not be McCain voters. Huh? I thought the hard-working, blue-collar Salt of the Earth types were McCain's base!
And now she tells me they're not? I'm stunned.
No, really.
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11.01.08 - 6:26 pm | #
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And forgive me if I think her "protest" is evidence that's she's CHEAP, too.
I mean, who else would think up a way to leave a smaller tip on her $100 lunches?
Julia Grey |
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11.01.08 - 6:28 pm | #
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What else could you expect from someone dumb enough to marry that turd?
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11.01.08 - 6:28 pm | #
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Yeah these people are really masterminds.
Explains why they would vote for an idiot who's run every business venture he ever took on into bankruptcy.
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11.01.08 - 6:32 pm | #
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Spare me! These conservative wankers are already crappy tippers. I'm sure waitstaffs everywhere are crying over getting 3% instead of 5%.
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11.01.08 - 6:34 pm | #
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Between her and the woman who refused to give candy to four-year-old trick-or-treaters last night if their parents were Obama supporters, I'd say McCain's got quote a constituency to be proud of.
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11.01.08 - 6:34 pm | #
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Sounds more like "going Mr. Pink."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=Z...feature=related
But an asshole is an asshole is an asshole.
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11.01.08 - 6:34 pm | #
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quote = quite.
Sorry!
flea |
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11.01.08 - 6:35 pm | #
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Republicans already tip les than Democrats. They're just not very nice people.
Conservative = violent, racist, criminal.
Conservatives try to counter by saying they give more to "charity" but once again they cook the books; the "charity" they give to is usually themselves. Conservatives are just deeply suspicious of and hateful towards minorities, outsiders and dissenters of any kind.
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11.01.08 - 6:36 pm | #
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There's a big flaw in this idea as it depends on her fellow right wingers being fearless and hardworking. They'd have to write out actual notes and carry cash for their meals, lots of planning in advance and hatching escape plans so that no one tracks them down from their credit cards or license plates.
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Was that a picture of the happy Insta couple? Oh, just the Insta dork.
How many more times must we listen to jerks denigrate working people?
Where I come from this sounds like the bully on the playground. It's just couched in fancy language. "I'm going to short you on your service to make a political point."
Kick their ass if any of you run into one of these big tippers. They deserve it, just like a bully would.
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So I guess dining at the same place more than once is out then?
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11.01.08 - 6:40 pm | #
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I hope this couple never plans to revisit any of the restaurants whose serving staff they choose to "galt."
Payback's a beyatch.
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It's a good thing people don't have printers at home, and can't post pictures of Mr. and Mrs. Instaloser at every restaurant in Knoxville.
Oh wait.
Yes, definitely they want to stay away from the bisque.
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11.01.08 - 6:46 pm | #
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This is good. The bastards stiff waiters, which they would anyway.
I like small bullshit badly-directed unkindnesses. Lots better than teh mcveigh.
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11.01.08 - 6:46 pm | #
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Jesus on a Harley. That woman has sawdust where her brains should be. One word of advice for dear Dr. Helen: don't order soup for 8 yeas. Liquids have a way of resembling each other....
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Imagine no possessions...no one caring what people like this thought at all. Go ahead and line your ass with 50 dollar bills when America is a third world country, I'm sure you'll feel good then.
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gee, republicans sure do love semen in their food! welcome to the world of hepatitis (-R).
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11.01.08 - 6:51 pm | #
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And Dr. Helen is what........... five years old? Not being a forensic psychologist, my diagnosis is petulance and spite.
And just to stick it to her (and like minded twats), I voted for Obama today.
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11.01.08 - 6:52 pm | #
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"People spend money more efficiently than the government." Dr. Helen
Uh, huh. And your evidence for that is?
Oh, I'm sorry, Dr. Helen, I forgot, we just assume that every Right Wing talking point is an unassailable fact; that makes discussions go so much more quickly.
What a bonehead. What exactly does "spending money more efficiently mean?" That individual people can waste money on potato chips or Halloween costumes that could have gone for national health care? Hers is a completely meaningless statement.
What follows then is a waste of everyone's time.
Dr. Helen, psychologist and unbelievably petty little weasel.
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11.01.08 - 6:53 pm | #
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I would like for a service charge to be included in the price like it is in most of Europe. And for waitrons to receive a living wage. Then a tip would mean something. Come to think of it health care is included in Europe and the rest of the 1st world.
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11.01.08 - 6:54 pm | #
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How old are these people again....they're like totally like um ya know like stuck in um junior high school mode, you know like um spending all their free time talking on the blogs with their kewl kid click friends thinking up all sorts of mean and spiteful ways to hurt and punish people who disagree with them...jeebus h kerist on a popsicle stick...Mean Girls indeed.
Oh and please tell me this couple doesn't have children of their own...please.
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11.01.08 - 6:55 pm | #
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I assume that she didn't propose to follow through on the note and donate the money she stiffs the wait staff to the Obama campaign, so just one more example of a Republican stiffing the working person and then saying it was the Democrats that did it.
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I just looked at the pictures of these two. . . uh. . . human beings. The husband has the look of a fat, over-stuffed pig (he could skip a meal or two), and she looks like a witch.
I agree with my too sense. Let's hope they don't have kids. Two uglier people do not exist, either physically or emotionally.
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Want to play that way...fine. All waitresses or workers that depend on tips, upon getting these notes should present them to their employer stating "since you voted for McCain I am joining a union, we will be asking for $20 and hour and bennies to make up for the lack of tips".
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11.01.08 - 6:59 pm | #
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Trickle down economics for dummies.
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11.01.08 - 7:03 pm | #
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Bush's base is in full revolt. Dr. Helen's planning to punish the little people. Lynn Forester de Rothschild is whining about the unfairness of it all over at Huffington Post.
These people are just stunning in their blatantly selfish idiocy. What a bunch of babies. Boo fucking hoo.
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11.01.08 - 7:03 pm | #
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Republican values - first, be miserly and stiff the wait staff; then lie to them about what you are going to do with the $$. There's a story in Acts (NT book) about someone who did that and was struck dead.
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Oh, the sore losers might really start getting angry. Or have they started already? Obama's Tusesday victory will set them in a hyper-tizzy. When they see this African American family gathered around Chief Justice Roberts as Obama takes the oath of office they will completely explode.
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John Cole blogged about something similar the other day. It sounds like an apocryphal story that's been going around the red mailing lists, and that the Instanuts are moving it into the real world.
Either way, the idea is both mean and typical of modern Republicans.
rishathra |
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They better not show their fancy a$$es twice in the same establishment!
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11.01.08 - 7:22 pm | #
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It's amazing that these people who want to tip less or not at all think they are in the same category as waiters from an economic point of view. "Sharing the wealth" means...err... sharing WEALTH, not sharing poverty!
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11.01.08 - 7:30 pm | #
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the department of labor allows restaurants to pay less than a minimum wage when:
(Tip Credit permissible if the combined amount the employee receives from the employer and in tips is at least 50 cents more than the applicable minimum wage)
so the solution here is real simple. lets get rid of guilt based tips and pay people a living wage.
then if you enjoy exceptional service tip as a way of saying thanks.
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(Per Insta-Troll above): "A forensic psychologist studies the state of mind of people who commit crimes to determine whether they are capable of aiding in their own defense, whether they should be receiving mental health treatment...."
It sounds to me like this Dr. Helen needs some "mental health treatment" herself. Maybe the job stress has gotten to her and some of what she is doing has rubbed off on her, because what she is proposing could be used in defense of her insanity plea.
Besides, how would she know which waiter or waitress was an Obama supporter? Perhaps the color of their skin?
So, is Dr. Helen just another racist Republican, to boot? Just another Republican snob? Is she lumping all waiters and waitresses into the same "Obama class," no matter what the color of their skin, which makes what she is proposing sound a whole lot like "class warfare," something that die-hard and certifiably insane racist Republicans roll out over and over again to justify their incipient greed and deceitfulness?
Dr. Helen, a forensic psychologist Republican putz.
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11.01.08 - 7:37 pm | #
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Anyone get the feeling we are dealing with spoiled children who didn't get their way, when dealing with Repubs who anticipate an Obama victory?
The world rotates around them and their reality-challenged ideas for the world. My guess is most of them are part of the "me" generation.
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Of course the note about giving any amount to the Obama campaign is a transparent lie. Perhaps they should instead tell the waitstaff a matching amount has been given to The Human Fund in their name. George Constanza would be so proud.
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Keep tipping. People who work in service industries are badly underpaid. Tip as much as you can afford. I generally go with 20%. I remember being a short order cook.
That's the world as it exists.
I've come to realize that the time value of money, like the speed of light, is a univeral value, if not a constant.
But do keep tipping.
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I won't go into the personal issues, and this point has doubtless been raised before, but does anyone else think it odd for Reynolds, a self-described libertarian married to an apparent fan of Ayn Rand, should sleep easy knowing that his salary is paid from state and federal taxes? The University of Tennessee is a public university, after all. Or does that matter? I guess anyone can call himself a libertarian, as long as he talks the talk, whether he's a John Galt-style capitalist or on welfare.
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Are there all that many restaurants in Knoxville, that she believes she can visit each of them once in four years?
I guess they must not eat out much.
What a maroon.
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11.01.08 - 8:03 pm | #
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About 20 years ago I had lunch with a political consultant in DC, and he claimed this joke was old when *he* first heard it:
Two political consultants were swapping stories in a swanky expense-account bar. The GOP consultant said, "Whenever I take a taxi, I give the driver an extra tip and say, 'Vote Republican.'"
The Dem consultant nodded and said, "I do almost exactly the same thing: I don't tip the driver at all and tell him 'Vote Republican.'"
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11.01.08 - 8:03 pm | #
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What a pair of losers. I hope they try out that idea in some of the "down-home" eateries around Knoxville.
BUT, there's a germ of an idea in there. Because soon enough, the GOPer trolls are going to sober up after drowning their election day sorrows, and come around to the blogs with a NASTY hangover.
Donate $1 to the DNC/Obama re-election campaign for every troll commenter. Then you don't really have to moderate or respond to trolls other than "*ka-ching!*"
Snarki, child of Loki |
11.01.08 - 8:08 pm | #
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"Conservative = violent, racist, criminal."
-(David Byron)
Yes. Beneath their sneering, patrician insouciance and prideful libertarian rudeness is the unconscionable.
They should be spat upon in the streets.
But then the larger question, under capitalism, is whether this is just an 'across the board' function of money and valorization of property, not just a neurotic, individual anality.
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This pasty-faced, fat-necked slug from Alabama turned up on Australian television news the other night as a part of the election coverage:
NATHAN RAGER, CONSERVATIVE CITIZEN'S COUNCIL: We are going to organise to a tee, if he wins. We are going to reach every citizen with our message - we're not going to stop at anything until we get the message out that we must stop this man's radical vision for America, that we must dump him from the White House in 2012. The Council of Conservative Citizens can only grow if he wins.
http://news.sbs.com.au/
worldnews...ranscript=56514
Unfortunately they don't have video up, but this guy could be the twin brother of the idiot who scratched a "B" on her own cheek.
What is it with these people and their fear and loathing?
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Regarding the fact that her husband is on the public payroll: I had a huge argument many years ago in grad school with a libertarian over the fact that his tuition and a stipend were being paid by a government grant. The total cost being not too far off from the median income for a family of four. Needless to say I didn't make much headway.
There is nothing that can be done with these moral eunichs. They recognize only the obligations that society has to them, and never the obligations that they have to society.
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"To be fair, she doesn’t actually advocate stopping the practice, well common courtesy, of tipping."
This is OT to the topic of Instapundit's political use of tipping, and I know I'm going against the grain here, but I've lived in Japan for 30+ years, and come to enjoy the tipless society. It's not a "common [in the sense of universal] courtesy," but a feudal practice of noblesse oblige. We don't tip doctors, we don't tip teachers, we don't tip the guys who put the gas in our cars. Why not just pay waiters and waitresses a living wage and eliminate the feudal practice entire?
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Dr. Helen's wretched proposal proves to me she was never a waitress. Oh, she may have worked as waitresses for a temporary period while she was in school, or during some other transitional period of her life, but if she's a forensic psychiatrist, then was working toward her degrees throughout any time she might have been slumming as a working person. One can be sure she knew she would not be a waitress for long. How about all the hardworking women who labor as waitresses their whole working lives, helping raise families and paying bills on the leavings of those whom they serve?
In the name of a crackpot "philosophy," and its fictional avatar, Dr. Helen rationalizes shitting on working people to "punish" those who will vote for Obama, (who have been characterized, I thought, as being "latte- and chardonnay-sipping big city liberals," by the way).
Selfish, condescending, delusional and stupid is no way to go through life, Dr. Helen, (to paraphrase a line from ANIMAL HOUSE)!
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I sure hope the good doctor eats in a different restaurant every day, because the second time she eats in a restaurant after pulling this sh!t she's going to get a big surprise, and not in a good way.
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11.01.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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The non-tipping Randanistas have every right to screw their wait staff under our system, however the waiter should know they are not going to be tipped going into the transaction. Rather than leave a pamphlet en lieu of a gratuity at the end of the meal the jackass should give their server the polemic at the time of their order, or better when they are being seated. There are always tables at the kitchen door or under the air conditioning vent. Lots of luck with that empty water glass.
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11.01.08 - 8:55 pm | #
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I guess there are no "Maude the Waitress" signs at McSame/Splalin' rallies.
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11.01.08 - 8:59 pm | #
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"There are always tables at the kitchen door or under the air conditioning vent."
There are also tables conveniently located in no one's station.
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Sheesh, what a creep. This gives credence to the observation that the primary project of conservatism through the ages is the search for a higher moral justification for selfishness.
(JK Galbraith, I think, not an exact quote)
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You know, there was a time when the rich realized that a progressive tax system was a nice alternative to having the riff raff simply scale your walls and steal the money. Looks like the ol professor has cast his lot with anarchy.
Good luck with that.
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11.01.08 - 9:21 pm | #
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Tokyo2night-
I agree. Once, in Ireland, I left a bartender a nice tip after a nice conversation, something expected here in the states. But instead of a thank you, he looked at me as if to say, "You thought I was talking to you for money?" It also seemed, in Ireland and elsewhere, that serving and bartending was held in higher esteem, like an admirable profession, more than it is here.
Thankfully, after I wrote the post, I read that the union for waiters and bartenders is the fastest growing union today.
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11.01.08 - 9:24 pm | #
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Can someone explain the connection here between stopping tipping and Obama winning? I mean, that's like deciding you're going to trip little kids for the same reason. Where's the nexus?
This woman's a psychiatrist? Also-- I hope she does stop tipping-- and then tries to back to the same restaurant. John Galt can work both ways.
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11.01.08 - 9:54 pm | #
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Chr*st on a crutch.
This woman makes the Grinch look like Gandhi. Did she have her heart surgically removed? Nothing else could explain her attitude.
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She's a "forensic Psychologist" I call bullshit. Who does she work for? Or is she a hired forensic gun?
Sort of hard to envision her working within a team enviournment, as part of law enforcement.
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11.01.08 - 9:57 pm | #
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Ah! Sadly, No! is on the case.
You can consider it handled.
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11.01.08 - 10:01 pm | #
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I think it appropriate to invoke Dave Barry here: A person who is not nice to the waiter is not a nice person. (I think of that as Barry's Law, although I have no idea if he does.)
I can only speak for myself, of course, but I find my overall mood is improved if I look for reasons to tip rather than reasons not to tip. The meanness of Dr. Helen's attitude is incomprehensible to me. Perhaps on the way from the restaurant to the car she will be fortunate enough to find a stroller to knock over, or a puppy to kick.
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As I recall there was a rash of this authoritarian asshattery going around after Bush 41 lost his election too.
What it comes down to is elitist musings about how they intend to punish poor people for being disobedient. Everyone knows that only poor people vote for Dems and that the only reason there is so much poverty is because of all the poor people.
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11.01.08 - 10:17 pm | #
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As a waiter friend used to say...
"I see your food before you see your food"
Go ahead stiff your waiter/waitress.
I hope you like boogers with your steak.
Ni Hao |
11.01.08 - 10:38 pm | #
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"It's a good thing that Dr Helen is a psychologist who studies dead people because her understanding of living human behavior is seriously lacking" - Digby
priceless...and just about sums her and her ilk up.
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I don't believe any of them have the courage to do what they so merrily suggest. Really, they'd pee their knickers at the time. Of course the waiter or waitress, after being sent back to the kitchen again and again to get the entre "just right", bring a CLEAN water glass, add more liquor to the cocktail, seven kinds of salad dressing, and stand shifting from foot to aching foot while the couple discuss dessert and then decide to go elsewhere... they'd just be glad to see the back of the two jerks.
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Well, if I were waiting on Dr. Helen, I'd sure be spitting in her soup and mixing a little snot into her salad dressing. Wait people are not entirely defenseless when it comes to assholes.
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I waited tables in Knoxville when I was a student there. Every so often (usually on a Sunday) I'd get what looked like a $5 bill folded in half as a tip but was actually a note saying something like "Want a tip? Go to thus-n-such Baptist church."
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In the longest run, universally unionized waitstaff making union wages
and benefits, with the cost being passed on in the price of the meal; would be the ideal endpoint. A step on the way--legislatively forced inclusion of waitstaff under the minimum wage laws.
But what to do about Repuglan tip-withholders in the short run? As a former dishwasher and grillcook, I disapprove of food contamination for any reason. Food can be rendered "bad" without contaminating it. Overcooked, sitting under the heat lamps too long, etc. That is certainly fair-fighting-back. But contamination is not acceptable, and is probably against the law. So, how to fight back beyond making the food unpleasant but still safe and uncontaminated? All forms of bad service. Accidental spillage of water, coffee, etc. Terrible delays.
Especially long delays getting back with change and the receipt.
If a waitperson is stiffed this way,
he/she should point out the culprit to all the other waitpeople. Some of those waitpeople might work in other restaurants too. (Some waitfolk have 2
or more waiting jobs). In this modern age of camera cellphones, perhaps one of the waitstaff, or the bartender, or some other silent watcher; can cellcam the pointed-out miscreant and upload the photo to some
kind of Waitstaff Website. So ALL the
waiters in a city can identify the perpetrators as soon as they walk into a restaurant. "No tip? You'll never eat lunch in this town again. Or dinner either."
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There was a similar story from someone in a letter to the editor to the Chicago Trib last week. In the letter the writer claimed that he stiffed the waitress since she was wearing an Obama button and gave her tip to a panhandler outside. It's an asshole fantasy, and i can't see this becoming any kind of trend in real life where the waitress can confront them in any way.
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11.02.08 - 12:43 am | #
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The idea of 'waitress' or 'server' has become a cliched iconographic construct of working class oppression when this is, clearly, not always the case. That some servers in many restaurants in San Francisco make upwards of $90,000 per annum, serving the rich, in the haute temples of culinary chic, should not go unnoticed. I tip sometimes 20% and often more in a Chinese jook house, but no one should be tipped in restaurants that serve the fascist plutocracy such as San Francisco's Aqua Restaurant.
I have no idea who Glenn Harlan Reynolds or his loathsome wife are, but high, standardized union wages for all wait staff would be the antidote to their vulgar libertarian parsimony.
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I'm speachless...
If I said anything, it would be, 'No wonder that douchebag married that prick.'
But,that wouldn't be nice. so I'll say nothing..............
Hey Doc,
You get paid by the hour (I hear Hooker's do, too). What if I told you your session was worthless, and I gave you 5% for the 45 minute hour you gave me?
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America has a remarkably low level of class resentment despite the abysmal level of class/income mobility in recent years.
Mr and Mrs Asshole are doing all they can to destroy this.
Like spoiled brats, they take for granted that the lowly-paid are their docile servants to be manipulated and treated with contempt whenever they feel like it, and punished for daring to vote.
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"America has a remarkably low level of class resentment despite the abysmal level of class/income mobility in recent years." _(Mike G)
An excellent point. Curiously I just yesterday watched the film "Max," an interesting film about this very thing in pre WW II Germany and the horrific psychological roots and appeal of Nazism. John Cusack has the lead role. The film is done well enough, although not at all betraying a sympathy for fascism, is clear and persuasive as to just why it happened. It also has enough intellectual meat to stimulate some thinking.
Class resentment in America, as in pre-Nazi Germany seethes, but at a very temperate level and this may be a mixed blessing. Revolutionary, anti capitalist class resentment, sadly, is a non-starter in America as it is too inchoate and the population too ignorant to channel it rationally.
However, as in Germany, fascist demagoguery is always inching off the back burner.
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Class resentment used to be very choate in America and the population used to be well informed enough to channel it effectively.
I wonder if one of the hidden reasons that (America's most Evil) President Woodrow Wilson lied and manipulated America into World War I wasn't exactly to manufacture the excuse and the political climate to crush and destroy a successful and growing Socialist Movement and Socialist Party here in America. Remember, it was the Evil Wilson who imprisoned Eugene Debs and unleashed savage repression against socialists all over America in order to destroy the Socialist Party and socialist movements. And it was the Evil Wilson
who unleashed Culture War Terror against German Americans far beyond anything unleashed against Muslims in the current political climate. Think Freedom Fries is laughable? Well, was Liberty Cabbage any less laughable
in its day? But President Wilson made
sure that no one dared laugh.
If I was President (which I will never
be), I would move President Wilson's official portrait into the Oval Office
where I would hang it Upside Down. I would bring in Woodrow Wilson's desk, if there is one, and have it placed Upside Down, and put a door over the tips of its Upside Down legs, to serve
as my desk. I hope that would symbolize the point that the Vile Filth of Wilsonite Missionary Imperialism was finally being purged from the culture. And pragmatic semi-Socialism might finally get a fresh look, once we all admitted who it really was who conspired against it.
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wow, Galt does look very different than from how I pictured him (steely determined.. even handsome, perhaps) when I read that book.
Ayn Rand is easily abused, as is philosophy in general, when not understood properly/at all. I don't think she was as inherently evil as people make her out to be. I even like some of the things she has to say. Just not how people like this turn her words into a prescription for their behavior. I think Rand is best studied as a product of or backlash to fascism. Her ideas of individual freedom and assertion are not all bad, just when taken to their logical (or I would say illogical) extremes as shown here.
I also don't mind reading stuff like 'beyond freedom and dignity' (skinner) and so forth. Even if I disagree violently with the subject matter. . if I can follow the arguments and it's intelligently written or near so. I will give these writers a shake.
Not too worried about being brainwashed by the randians anyways. I even joined their little club a while back. Never followed up on it or gave them any $ or anything so I think they've clean forgotten about me but, whatever. I for one do NOT consider myself a world building mover and shaking Galt type anyway and this is in no way an endorsement of her philosophy of so called 'objectivism' which I find flawed if not entirely repellant.
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11.02.08 - 2:39 am | #
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"Go John Galt"? Jesus, she can't even get her Rand bullshit right. John Galt dropped out of society and disappeared, denying the world the fruits of his allegedly great mind. He didn't just keep going to his usual hangouts and stiffing people for a few bucks here and there. Lord forgive me, why did I even bother reading that cheesy and evil book Atlas Shrugged, if the true believers didn't even pay attention to it?
Just had to check again... yes, she really did write "a good way to save money as a way of 'going John Galt.'" Jesus.
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11.02.08 - 7:24 am | #
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It's been 30+ years since I read Atlas Shrugged, so maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't recall John Galt saying that people's pay should be based on their politics. I thought the whole idea was that rewards should be commensurate with value added.
Besides, haute bourgeois on the make already are vile and mean to wait-persons. Tales of same are called, at least around here, "waitress stories" (cf. "war stories"). A few years back a restaurant chain, Leona's, ran a hilarious ad campaign featuring waiters and waitresses telling the happy version, stories about how they got a little of their own back. My fave was told by a waitress about a patron who deliberately dropped his Visa card on the floor so she'd have to pick it up. She decked him. Twice.
Ms. Helen Reynolds, please take note.
Stuart Eugene Thiel |
11.02.08 - 8:25 am | #
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Conservatism distilled to its very essence: Everyone should have less so that we can have more.
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11.02.08 - 8:47 am | #
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Dr. Helen wrote a new post (linked to at sig) which, I think, is an attempt to back off from her bizarre proposal but which actually just digs deeper. In response to a comment from a server stating, "Please don't take it out on us" the good doctor says:
.There is no way I could. In the space of the past 24 hours, I have been out to eat three times and left even bigger tips than I usually do. I am watching people work hard and I know I cannot withhold money to local people in Tennessee that are so industrious. Perhaps in blue cities or where it is clearer that people believe in redistributing wealth, it would be easier.
That helps, doesn't it? She won't do this locally (where she would have to face the same waiters twice), just out in what Palin would call "the fake America."
Wouldn't it be revealing to have a forensic psychologist (I'm not saying she should be dead, Agent; that's not what they do.) evaluate such a sick personality?
Oh, wait...
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11.02.08 - 9:00 am | #
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Forensic psychologist? Doesn't sound very Atlasy to me.
Either she's working for the government sucking off of your - god forbid - taxes!
Or she's being paid by lawyers trying to get people off who should be held responsible for their actions.
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11.02.08 - 9:47 am | #
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This is the flailing of a child denied its toy. Strike out at anyone, no matter if they are the offendor or not.
Sound like how we got into Iraq.
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Yes, something tells me this lady already does not tip so generously, now she's got a new story to rationalize her stinginess. My son is a waiter and he makes decent tips because he hustles like mad, people come back and ask for him to be their waiter, he earns every penny, and he is voting for Obama.
I recommend Dr. Helen verify the party-loyalty of the mechanic where she takes her car to get the brakes worked on, if she can visualize where this revenge thing could lead, the mechanic may take note of her McPOW bumper sticker. OH, the insecurity!!!
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11.02.08 - 10:58 am | #
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Unsatisfied with taking the nation into the toilet for the past eight years, they want to punish the rest of us for trying to help even them out. I continue to go back to Herman Melville's Moby Dick in which the monomaniacal Ahab who is willing to take down the whole ship in his personal hatred against nature is redeemed by Ishmael, who is saved by the coffin of his Polynesian, tattooed all over lover (marriage is what Ishmael called it) and his compassion for even Ahab at the end.
That's right; punish the poor woman who serves you food, working at less than minimum wage, on her feet all day, carrying three-four plates up and down her arms and hands, going home--nickeled and dimed to death already--to kids, who haven't had what is now considered the luxury of their moms there right after school or when they go to bed. I, myself, cannot feel a whit of sympathy for this conservative sludge. They are failures of epic proportions who have been willing in their unbelieveable self absorbtion to take the whole world down, so that they can boss everyone else around.
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11.02.08 - 11:07 am | #
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Wow, what a bitch!
Peanutcat |
11.02.08 - 11:13 am | #
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Kathy-
Your belief that "she's being paid by lawyers trying to get people off" is just the flip side of a false right wing talking point. I work as a criminal defense lawyer and in juvenile court and I can tell you firsthand that most of the work involves simply limiting the influence of depraved individuals such as Dr. Smith over the lives of poor people. Both the criminal law and the power of juvenile courts over kids and parents are mostly applied against poor minorities and there are plenty of Dr. Smiths and Nurse Ratcheds to go around.
Do you really think "instawife" is consulting with criminal defendants and not the government? Like a lot of other "libertarians," and her husband, she receives most of her funding from the government while speaking out against it on the side.
As Dr. Helen herself describes her job, she's "a forensic psychologist in Knoxville... [who works with] kids (and adults) who are violent. [And she] deal[s] with live people who have very severe problems with anger and feelings of aggression... [doing] psychological evaluations that involve assessing individuals to see if they are competent to stand trial, or are dangerous to others; or to make treatment recommendations.”
Her “other main interest is in helping lay people in society understand more about the psychological and environmental conditions that might make the violent tendencies in kids worse. Anyone who works with children or has them knows that there is some genetic component to how aggressive or non-aggressive kids can be.”
This work gels nicely with her Randian belief that there are those who are born to rise and others to be stepped on in the climb.
Oh, and she relies on tips: “Each dollar I receive goes towards funding ... research projects for understanding more about the world of violent kids. Since this takes up so much of my time and is a labor of love (certainly not one of money!), your monetary contributions are greatly appreciated.” (link at sig)
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11.02.08 - 11:15 am | #
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I waited tables in Knoxville when I was a student there. Every so often (usually on a Sunday) I'd get what looked like a $5 bill folded in half as a tip but was actually a note saying something like "Want a tip? Go to thus-n-such Baptist church."
I was wondering when someone would finally come up with a secular version of that stunt. I should have known it would be a Randian.
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I see that Dr. Helen has become a wanker. No surprise there...as has been noted, authoritarians often morph into mean-spirited little shits when their bullying tactics no longer deliver the results that they think they deserve.
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11.02.08 - 6:26 pm | #
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I hope she doesn't plan on eating anywhere more than once.
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11.02.08 - 8:01 pm | #
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Not to be too picky, but a forensic psychologist is NOT "a psychologist who studies dead people." All that "forensic" means in this context is that they are psychologists dealing with people who are involved in civil or criminal litigation.
On the other hand, if she were analyzing her husband, that might qualify as studying a dead person, at least dead in soul.
rosste |
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"It's been 30+ years since I read Atlas Shrugged, so maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't recall John Galt saying that people's pay should be based on their politics."
Galt doesn't say that, but Rand comes pretty close to saying that liberals don't deserve to live. Remember the train accident scene near the end? She lists all these people who die, and what their sins were - like, expressing nasty opinions about businessmen - in a sneering, venomous style that's noticeably different than the controlled prose of most of the rest of the novel, more like a wingnut blogger. Then in case you didn't get the point, she explains that the train accident wouldn't have happened if people had been nicer to the good railroad executives, and so, considering who got killed, maybe it wasn't really such a tragedy.
Anyone who thinks Rand was a noble philosopher who may have been wrong about one or two things but really just wanted to celebrate individual freedom can take that scene and stick it.
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11.03.08 - 11:41 am | #
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I agree with Sirhan... As a waitress for many years, I can assure you that Helen and the Instaputz most likely don't tip too much already. Self righteous creeps like are always looking for an excuse to stiff servers. I used to have a church group that would leave me "prayer tips" (seriously). They got crappy service and a service charge tacked onto their cheap asses. They stopped coming in after a while.
Palindrome |
11.03.08 - 11:51 am | #
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By the way, everyone: Firefox, Greasemonkey, and Killfile makes the trollies go away.
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