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well, to tell u the main reason y i am leaving this comment. is just to say that if u had the nurve to say wat u r saying infront of any muslim person to his face. u would not need to have this page on!
which means thee u r just a stupid person. and i really wish that i knew where u live or how u look like so i could beat u up!
thanx.
u r so ahppy now,but in the day of judgement,enshalla,i will see u crying more than everyone in the world.this day is coming soon.and i wish u the sadness all ur life.muhammad is the wonderful man in the history,but coz u r just a stupid and u didnt read his story how much he was perfect man,and not like u in europe,just a silly people,u care only about sex,even with ur mom.hahahahahah
im not muslim,im cristian,but i know very well how much the muslim people r great.and u r just a stupid man.i feel sorry for u,coz u dont know nothing,u dont have any education about the great profet muhammed.i hate denmark and all europe because u r just a very fucking people
I really don't understand why you made this website. Are you trying to express your hate towards muslims, are you trying to express your hate towards Islam, or are you just trying to be funny. I was just curious. If it is because you hate Muslims, then could you please explain why?
A curious American
I AM REALLY SORRY TO SEE ALL THIS AND THERE IS NOTHING TO BE PROUD ON THAT AS THIS IS REALLY SEEMS TO BE AS HOW SMALL U R IN UR THINKING.... BY UR SAYING AND TRYING TO BE FUNNY NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE... MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE ON HIM) IS A GREAT PROPHET ANS WILL REMAIN BUT U JUST SHOWED WHERE U BELONG TOO... A NASTY AND DUMB THINKING GROUP OF PPL BECAUSE ITS NOT ONLY U ITS IN UR GENES TO EXPLOITS THE OTHER RELIGIONS..... U R PROUD ON IT TODAY.. BUT WILL NOT ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT ... THE PERSON LIKE U DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT IT IS SHOWN BUT THEN THE PUNISHMENT THERE U CANT IMAGINE AND ITS MY PRAYER TO ALLAH ALMIGHTY THAT HE GIVE ME THE CHANCE TO SEE U GET PUNISHED AND THEN I COME TO U AND ASK U ABT HOW FUNNY IS THIS ..... BECAUSE AS A MUSLIM I M TAUGHT BY MY ALLAH AND MY GREAT PROPHET THAT NEVER ABUSE EVEN UR ENEMIES SO I WILL ABID BY THAT.... I WISH U STILL UNDERSTAND THAT U R WRONG AND TRY TO FEEL BAD AND SORRY.... BECAUSE U CAN ONLY DO IT ON THE INTERNET AS ITS A FREE MEDIUM OF EXPRESSION... AND U KNOW IT U CANT SAY IT IN FRONT OF A MUSLIM NOT EVEN A WORD... AND IF U R REALLY SO PROUD TRY TO SAY IT INFRONT OF A MUSLIM AND SEE THE CONSEQUENCES AND MAY BE U R LAUGHING READING MY COMMENTS BUT FROM TODAY IN ALL MY DUAS FROM ALLAH I WILL PRAY THAT U GET THE WORST DEATH THAT IS ROLE MODEL FOR PPL WHO THINK THAT THEY ARE VERY SMART BUT ARE THE WROST MISTAKE DONE BY THERE PARENTS..... ALLAH'S CRUSE ON YOU....
Amazing isn't it , all those threats by the previous poster's kind of makes your point .
Shame on you and the way u use ur talent if we can call it so, I'm also an artist and a very well known in my field and i believe I can do much more better than you do, because I can use my tools for a better purpose, drawing what may be related to peace and love for all human kinds, no matter what religion they follow, never hold a pen to make fun of Muhammed or jesus or any other prophet, I bet that you know nothing about islam nor Muhammed (PBUH) nor muslims and what prevents us from doing same shit like urs is our belief in all the prophets sent by God and our belief in peace and that every one is free to choose the way he wants to live and the religion he wants to follow and I bet if u found one muslim doing same silly stuff like u do, any how I'm just a muslim who reminds u of the judgment day and u'll remember all these words this day, I'm sure that u r an unbeliever cause no body ever, who follows any religion that believes in God would do any of what u feel proud of and think that ppl will HAHAHA when they see it.
Lets c who will laugh at the end
I just wanted to leave a post that was spelled correctly. There are three letters in the word "you". Three.
C'mon y'all. Aren't the muslims supposed to be peaceful? Thats what I hear in church all the time (I'm Baptist). I thought that only a few of the muslims were reaking havoc on the world by being violent towards everyone. While I don't know much about Islaam, I've always tried to treat Muslims the same as I do anyone else, but y'all are making me wonder whether its worth it. If anyone makes fun of Jesus then I just sadly smile and tell them that He still loves them and wants them in Heaven with Him despite what they've just done (although they must accept Jesus's free gift of salvation through a simple prayer of forgivness and asking to be saved from Hell), and procede to tell them what I just typed. If they reject it, so be it. They were warned, but I don't WANT them to go to Hell. I want them to go to Heaven anyway and continue to try and convince them whenever I can without being annoying, violent, or mean. Don't be vengeful and insulting, be peacefully persistant.
By the way, I apologize for any mispellings due to the post previous to my first one. lol
Bravo to you for supporting free speech. And shame on those who oppose free speech. It doesn't mean that only views you accept should be allowed. And for those who believe in Islam, if you are secure in your faith, you should only feel pity for someone who doesn't understand it. However, can you honestly tell me you tolerate other religions? I believe that your religion denigrates all others and that you display TOTAL INTOLERANCE to other believers--whom you call unbelievers. Sorry, but I don't accept that yours is a superior religion to mine.
I truly support the reproduction of the cartoons for all to view and draw their own conclusions. I do not find them severely offensive.
And I agree with the comments of 'one kool guy'
BRAVO!! Finally somebody who recognizes some of the muslim threath to the world! The muslims demand their share of respect from us. If a few muslims kill a score of "non-believers" we may not blame all muslims for this. They also demand respect for their culture. On the other side if one person or one newspaper says, writes, or prints something, the muslims don't like, THEY blame it on all people they can possibly relate to this. First they wanted to kill a guy named Shalomon Rusdie. unfortunately he was a mulim himself so they could not punish all people associated with him. Apparently this would have caused mass suicide under all muslims. Now it is a newspaper. And lo and behold it is published in a non muslim nation. Kill all Danes is their new slogan. I despice all muslims for their treacherous nature. Boycott all muslims as far as you can is my answer to this new muslim threath. MuhammedX
Fantastic. Truly great and amazing.
Thank you for posting these cartoons.
Even better is the reaction of muslims.
Truly immature.
GILA...!!
Gila? What does that mean??
What is next? Holy Jihad against Denmark? And you personally?
Anyway, responces are funnier than cartoons themselves 
What do you think you are?How dare you are?We are triying to understand each other but look at your self!!!! Where is your respect?Where is the human rights?I am sorry but the real barbar is you.You deserv the shot!!!!
More free speech, less racist religious nutbars
You're an idiot. I see Danmark is backpedaling faster than it took them to publish these cartoons. That boycot will hurt and you know I am a liberal, two time war veteran of US Army but also I am a muslim and from now on anything made in Danmark or brining money to Danmark is not welcomed in my house.
...thanks
Of corse Denmark's backpedalling because some (not all) Muslims are threatening to kill, not just anyone Danish, but anyone Nordic (Norwegians, Swedes, and Finnish). I don't think that banning of the Danish products alone is enough to do that. I'm not saying I support the cartoons by the way. I find them very stupid and immature, but I find the many Muslim's reactions much worse than immature. I find them offensive for the God I serve because a lot of their threats involve the sin of MURDER. Murder's wrong in my book no matter what the circumstances.
GILA = Crazy.
Its a malay word.
Kurt, are you from Malaysia?
GILA = Crazy or Mad
Thanks for the cure of curiosity, superamoeba...
Alrighty, everyone, I'm done w/ homework and exercise (I've been doing that while I was watching this place) and I'm finally off to bed. Peace...no really...peace, don't hate.
probably its your destiny and it is..... face it now
Have a good sleep one kool guy. I only wish that we could wake up to a better world. More than half of the world does not get enough to eat and we have people talking about killing each other over some cartoons (which some will find very offensive but if Allah/God/The Almighty finds it really offensive, let the offenders be punished in the afterlife)
I feel that the what the danish new has published is not eh cartons of Prophet Mohamed but that of the illigmate father of Christ who the cristians claim was born of virgin
Stupid ! u have mess with wrong ones. u play with allah & his prophet, u have litterly ruined your life.
you are fucking stupid
Somehow, all comments sections generally degenerate to name calling and unpleasant statements.
NO GOD BUT ALLAH MOHAMMED IS THE PROPHET OF ALLAH PBUH
Muhammad Umer Iqbal, where are you from?
Orang Melayu ke?
Dear Muslims,
you ask for respect - so please respect us: respect the West's human right of free speech. And if you have come to the West to partake of the West's material wealth, just know that this wealth is based upon free speech. This right to free speech includes being allowed to make fun of religion. If you do not want that, please stay home, and please do not read our newspapers, do not watch our TV, and you will not be offended. But do not come into our countries to tell us what to do or how to behave. We have our history and our traditions, just as you do, and we are proud of it. That does not mean that everything in the industrialized West is good, far from it. However, non-censorship, including thoughts about religion, is one of the fundamentals of Western life that cannot be given up without us giving up ourselves. You cannot expect this of us. Go in Peace - but also: Leave us in Peace.
An extract From his Blog..... looks like he knows what an insult mean to some one....this is interesting... can any one tell me the type of psyche of a person who loves and feel happiness in defaming / insulting others..i think there is one... read this.
"I have debated taking down my cartoon page a few times because I accept that many Muslims do find the cartoons offensive but I'm not going to because it seems to be doing an excellent job of showing whether or not even the sorts of educated Muslims who have access to the Internet (and would therefore one assumes be more understanding) actually meet the stereotype above or not. I am pleased to say that many comments on this blog in numerous threads are positive but there are a significant number (as well as private emails) which are crudely insulting and threatening."
u bloody fuckers how cud u do dis ...
those u doo dis da son's of bitches and sons shits and no one. n those who have done bee ready to go to hell.
I am sympathetic to Islam, I do not agree with people who say Muslims are violent or don't want free speech but I am having a hard time understanding the problem here and I would like to know what, from the Islamic perspective is so terribly racist or anti-Muslim about the cartoons. If, please, a Muslim comment writer could explain that, with peace in your heart that would be appreciated.
I am a Muslim and Islam has told me not to say bad words for gods of other religions otherwise other people would say bad words about the (one) God.
Out of your free will you have expressed yourself by making cartoons of Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). This has resulted in bad feelings among muslims. Although you are free to say whatever you like but as a Muslim I would request you not to make fun of Holy Prophet and Islam.
Muslims appear violent because they are at the receiving end of all major conflicts in the world today i.e. Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir etc.
This is not to say that their response is justified .. this only tells the reason of violent response.
Please promote love, understanding and peaceful coexistence and don't promote hatred, mis understanding and clash.
Best regards,
Adeeb Ashraf (Pakistan)
Its not about anti-muslim or racist, its about hurting some one's true feelings..
its about the way to communicate...
we all as human needs to improve ..bcz there is many ways to express.... and every way brings its consequences...we can say the same thing keeping in mind other's inherit philosophy so that we are able to convey our perspective as well as to not hurt others..
thats where we feel that the methodology is so insulting and should not be adopted in any case
One should fullfill the objective not the way to directly hit others .....
try to avoid direct confrontation is a key ..
if most of WEST doesn't know it then probably we need to sit back and look at all our past experiences, history and teachings.. hope this will help you to understand the exact situation
To add more... just imagine to say anything any time to your boss..
what kind of consequences it will bring in your life.. ?
I couldn't imagine whats the point of the cartonist? Lets try to define the meaning and boundaries of freedom, does freedom mean that u slap on someone's face and if he cries and complains someone to stop you from doing this then this is against your freedom? can anyone of us imagine about a freedom which is not bounded by any rules? does any such thing exist? Now if you say "no" then wouldn't it that blasphemy is even a worst offense then hitting someone physically.
Do you think that you are free to do anything to examine the reaction of the people? Are you free to use them as your subject of experiment? All the people in the world do not share exactly the same values and morals. May be according to the morals of a particular group blasphemy is the worst thing that anyone can do to them, on the other hand for another group such an act is not even considered noticeable. So you cannot give the example of one group's behaviour towards a certain offence as an examplry act for another group, while both have different moral and religius values.
Surely I am in the favour of logical and reasonable reaction to any offense, but you cannot negate the very strong existance of emotions in all the people in the world. As you have shown your absurd and irrational behaviour while doing the blasphemy, it is very much natural to expect the same kind of behaviour from other people.
Life's hard. I try to be open-minded and tolerant but the older I get and the more I see I just hate all the intolerant idiots in the world even more. I hate myself for that and want you to vanish of this earth and leave me in peace.
It's freedom of speech, plain and simple. There are many cartoons, news broadcasts and comments made that I don't agree with, but it doesn't send me out burning flags, cursing a country or threatening violence. If people are immature enough to threaten someone who challenges what they think then they are obviously not secure in what they believe. Personally I find some of the cartoons hilarious! Others I find retarded. So what, who cares. If you don't like them then turn the page, flip the channel or WTF ever! Just get over it and move on. BTW--US Army veteran, TEXAN and proud AMERICAN!!
May God forgive you and show u the right path.
i welcome you all to embrace islam and know more about your God and how to be grateful him and serve him.
May God forgive you and show u the right path.
i welcome you all to embrace islam and know more about your God and how to be grateful him and serve him.
Religious fanaticism is for retards. If your prophet would be alive today he might tell you that.
Hmmm, if there really is such a thing as hell or judgement day or punishment or whatever coming to all of us non-believers then why all this hostility now?
Shouldn't you leave it to your God to judge us, surely the one and only knows best what to do with us?
@ Hook 'em Horns
Well thats a lie.. i dont agree if there will be cartoons showing explicit material about your mother, wife or any other very dear one.. you will remain very calm and cool
yes theoratically you may in certain conditions ...but most of the time majority of people will not tolerate that kind of behaviour from any one...
if you think you are so confident.. ask you close collegue to put certain cartoon about those dear ones ever where in your office and home and streats and let other people know that you are a TRUE believer of freedom of speach
hope that makes some point
Hello! the man who think have done a great thing.i have a question "do you know what is islam and its teaching"? Just try to learn quater or less than that. i guess you will be sorry. A message to the world blame our people but dont blame our islam and our prophet.There are bad people in all religion then why only islam?
Hi All,
Have you ever typed in "fun of jesus", "funny jezus" or "sneering jesus" in google?
Yhousands of hits, from both moslim and non moslim locations. Did you know there is an entire Amusement park that makes fun of jezus? No you didn't? Well maybe that is because the cristian people didn't make a big deal out of it and didn't start randomly (threaten to) killing moslim WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!
I'm desperate to believe that there are only a few percent of moslim extremist who only know violence as solution. (Although the posts here don't represent my theory.)
Last thing I wish to say is:
I admire your post Adeeb Ashraf, it is exactly how i see it!
Best Regards,
K. Wekker
It appears clear to me: if it is OK to ridicule - as is endlessly done - Jesus Christ, then it is OK to ridicule the Prophet. This attack by Muslims against Danes and other Nordic people is a exactly what happens when a backward, ultra-rightwing Medieval religion like Islam finds itself confronted with the modern world, a world it despises and wants to destroy.
Jyllands-Posten has turned cowardly and backed off their own statements regarding freedom of expression because they are scared. Salman Rushdie continues to attack the reactionary Islamists even though a fatwa was issued against him by the most powerful Muslim of his time, Ayatollah Komeini of Iran. Where is the backbone of the Western press? Turned to jelly by a lunatic mass of ignorant fundamentalists. These artists were brave to have drawn their cartoons; now the paper that printed them is terrified of the reaction from the suicide bombers and other militant Islamists who have been threatening the destruction of the West for hundreds of years. Now that they are finding ways to enter the Western centers and murder innocent people, the Islamists find the very softness they have said all along is at the heart of the West.
If anyone still needs proof of the violent and brutal ways of modern (and ancient, for that matter) Muslims, just look at the threats by these same Muslim or Muslim-sympathisers against the owner of this blog.
Stand by your convictions. You are the one who is courageous in this increasingly cowardly part of the world. It is interesting that one man will do what a whole industry - the press - will not: stand up for the basic principles of freedom and liberty that made the West what it is today.
Kook Wekker has said it exactly. People need to stop feeling they need to apologise to Muslim extremists. They do not. Let them apologise for their treatment of Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Hindus first. Then we will talk about apologising to them.
Thank you for the page. I was curious about the cartoons, having seen them what is the fuss about? How dare Muslims expect us to curtail our hard-won freedom of speech to bow-down before the nonsensical religion started by an iteinerant shepherd 1600 years ago. Please continue to let your site shine out as a mark of free-speech in our world.
We have now started a Norwegian action to buy Danish goods. Excerpts from our English page:
The word "ADVAR" means "warn" in Norwegian, and is an acronym for "Aksjonen for Danske Varer", meaning "Action for Danish Goods".
Our purpose is to make Norwegians buy Danish goods, as an action of solidarity with Denmark, which is currently being targeted for a boycott by several Islamic countries.
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In addition to buying Danish goods, we encourage people to write to Jyllandsposten to support their editorial stance, and to the Danish government to express their support for the Danish Prime Minister, Mr Anders Fogh-Rasmussen.
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We also try to encourage the Norwegian Government to take a strong, vocal stand in support of Denmark.
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ADVAR has no political or religious affiliation, and we are not supported (financially or otherwise) by any public or private institutions, organizations or persons. We are simply a group of people concerned with protecting freedom of speech & secular democracy.
Due to concern for our personal safety, we have chosen to remain anonymous for now.
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Please help spread the word that we're not all spineless wusses up here. Visit our page, follow our links and email your support to the Danes and your concern to the Norwegian government!
Paul being an elightened one i would recommend you to start you own religion..
if you think you are unable to do so, please ask some one else who you think is more suitable
Inna lillahi vainna ilaihi raajiooon. Danish /Norvegiean will defenitely pay heavily for this foolish act.
I would like to ask ADVAR what exactly is freedom of speech............
to say anything to anyone at any time in any circumstances?
I am concerned to know the exact boundaries of Freedom of Speech from all the persons who are supporting it. I think the unconditional supporters of this Freedom should analyze if they are actually misusing the term. I have already posted the questions in my previous comment but haven't got the answers. Another person (who has anonymously posted comment on 31.Jan.06 - 9:47) asked the similar questions though I don't agree the way he is putting up the questions. Can any one give a clear explanation to these issues? I have also explained that different people having different moral and religius values cannot be held as an example to each other, So if christians do not protest against the blasphemy then it doesn't imply that all other religions should also act in the same manner. By the way I believe that Islam doesn't allow muslims to support blasphemy against any other religion. So if even if any muslim is doing such act, then its not wise to condemn Islam for that, rather he is committing a sin and should be punished for that.
I reiterate that I strongly support the reasonable logical and non-emotional way of dealing all the matters. So if the concept of unconditional freedom of speech is reasonable and logical enough then I will not only support it myself but also try to convince people around me to support it.
Try to explore the ISLAM, then I am sure you will start RESPECT of
HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON HIM).
Read book HOLY QURAN to OPEN your CLOSED MIND.
I hope you will become a GOOD MUSLIM by exploring the ISLAM.
Dear Ali Raza Zaidi,
I have the feeling you're also referring to my previous post. I fully agree with your opinion that it doesn't imply that all other religions should also act in the same manner like the Christians. And I never said that the moslim community should just ignore it. I fully understand that there is a lot of objection against these pictures but it is the way how these objections are denoted that I disapprove. Actually it is strange, because why shouldn't moslim be entitled to say they are going to kill Danish people -> freedom of speech? The reason why I disapprove has to do with the fact that there is a difference between freedom of speech and freedom of action! History shows us that actions are added to these words, and that is what bothers me. I'm not speaking about all moslims here but just a few percent of them!
I read that aid organizations are spending a lot of money getting there people away for the area ASAP! Aid organizations are there to AID the needing people. The money should go to help them not to prevent the help (getting the people away)! It is fine to have Criticism, in fact I don’t even think the pictures are funny at all, but express your criticism in words not in actions/threats. Freedom of speech is part of a much more important aspect namely freedom in general. I assume freedom is also important in the moslim community! By threatening a victim you violate this aspect for the victim (to feel safe). Insults are horrible and, unless you admit they are true, worthless!
To summon up: I'm not saying moslim community should not be offended, or should not object! But should handle this in a way that is decent for all people of all religions! I admit this is vague but if everything would be clear the world would be a much better place!
Best regards,
Kook Would you like to describe why and with what grounds freedom of action is different than the freedom of speach please..........
thanks
Dear friends (of every religious beliefs)
Please think of all the Muslims living in Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland - a number of more than 500.000 persons. They are all escaped from awful Islamic regimes in Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia among many others - and they are now treated well, with respect in Scandinavia, are all paid a social benifit of more than 1.200 US$ EACH person per month + a decent place to stay, education and school for their many children.
Are they now on their way back home to their Islamic regimes - or do they still have a shelter (AND RESPECT) in a domocratic world.
I don't think so, I'm sorry.
Hans Kristofersen
Editor
I am an Iranian and I think your cartoons are really great. Thanks for your braveness.
The muslims want to scare the rest of the world so they never dare to say anything against their fanatic beliefs.
Great job and all the best...
First of all i invite you to read about Islam.I think a man like u who has a brain ,should think deeply ....who is he? what is his role in this life?
You should scratch your mind and think why do muslims believe and respect the whole prophets like Moses Jesus Mohammad (PBUT)? AND u r not.I advise u to read more about islam and u will find the truth that most of non muslms are looking for.
We are not terrorist as jewish tricked u. We are looking for peace and our religion demands us to do that.Mohammad (PBUH)is the greatest man and u should excuse to the God(Allah)and to the Muslim nation before u can't do that.....
I've seen a hundred important muslims condemning not only Jyllands Posten but also the Danish government on BBC, CNN, and Danish television.
Why on Earth can't these people comprehend that in a true democracy a government has no power over the free press if they abide by the laws?
And the muslims find a few cartoons offensive - in turn
- they've mobbed innocent MUSLIM workers in Danish factories.
- they've burnt Danish flags
- they've threatened Danish aid workers
- they boycot Danish products
etc
That's not offensive? I'd say that's taking the word offensive to a while new level.
Forgotten are the facts that the Danish people have supported third world muslim countries with hundreds of millions of dollars over the years, we have taken in thousands of refugees running from tyrannic muslim countries, and so on and so forth.
My point is: If these reactions seen on television truly represent the muslim society, then the muslim people as a group seem to be blood thirsty, ungrateful, crude people.
Oh, I almost forgot:
That smily represents my own personal depiction of Muhammad the Prophet.
I would like to listen views on my question if any one please put some light on it! thanks
Differance between freedom of speech and freedom of action ?
This incident just shows that most Muslims do not understand the concept of freedom let alone free speech. I have seen many cartoons insulting Christians and Jews, fortunately those belivers are not so unforgiving. I believe God is tolerant and loving and does not get insulted by people expressing themselves.
Freedom of speech means you can say anything you want if it does not involve threats or slandering of a group or a single person.
Freedom of action is some fantasy term that has no hold in reality. I guess the writer means that you can do anything you want if it does not hurt or endanger others. But again I know of no constitutional laws that use the term "freedom of action". Correct me if I'm wrong.
surely FOS, I understands the confusion!
I guess the confusion is based on the definition "freedom of action". To be honest I don't know, don't even know if "freedom of action" is actually a term let alone that I know the definition. The reason I used it is to distinguish “the freedom to tell what is in your mind, in any way! Doesn’t need to be verbal, can also be by actions like dancing or crying, etc” and the fact that “your free to take any ‘action’ you want”. I can explain my “action” better by using an example:
In this case my opinion is that (although not nice) it is fine to WISH (not threaten) somebody dead; however actually performing the action to kill somebody isn’t fine.
A question for you: hypothetical If I would threaten to kill you (assume I would be able to perform the threat), then you would feel a little bit less safe. Agree?
Now assume this: I would threaten to kill you but at the same time I guarantee you I will not do it (assume I hold my word), then you don’t feel less safe!
Please note that a threat becomes a ‘wish’ if it is known that no corresponding action will be taken. It is probably still not clear but like I said I also don’t know what it might imply or even if it implies anything. But I hope I could make it a little bit more clear what I meant even if the corresponding sentence might be confusing or not correct.
indeed Thomas Vedel you manage to tell what i meant in a single line while I needed an entire paragraph for
So for example if freedome of action is constitutionalized in a certain kind of democracy in any part of this world, will we accept it ?
without having indepth analysis of positive/negative aspects of any term / theory ?
How do defend any law violating personal space of the other.....?
Are we saying we have succedded in establishing the most fundamental moral code in this world...or in other case or ture democracy will do it ?
@ Kook
"however actually performing the action to kill somebody isn’t fine. "
Well who defines that ...if it is fine or not....isn't that totaly subjective and society/group dependent...
in any case a real moral code will be to give respect to others values and to have respect in return..what do you think
otherwise its hard to justify one's subjective opinion
dear Fos,
you are concentrating yourself to much on a single word. Replace it by any other word or sentence you like and read my description. “Freedom of action” probably doesn’t even exist, it doesn’t need to be! It is a term I used to state my opinion that I believe would be clear enough. Obviously it isn’t!
You are correct, thats what my point relates to that we dont need to concentrate on a single perspective
First of all if freedom of action doesn't exist, it doesn't justify that it wont.
secondly my point is simple:
In order to create a true peace we have to have check and balances... we cant take an idea and apply it openly whereever we feel it is good.
Everything is in a certain frame of reference and controled by laws depending upon the circumstances...
we all can understand thousands of analogies from science and engineering.
so point is that it is good to express your feelings but do in rome what romen do is a key
if your words are related to a certain group .. try to express it and convey your message in a way it will be accepted
art of communication is another subject we need to learn
Freedom of speech means to me that I can express my opinion about anything and anyone. If I disagree with you and believe that Mohammad is not a prophet isn’t it my right to do so whether I insult you or not that is what I believe.
To all who are more interested in TERMS than ground realities... i would recommend following good article from stanford university
http://plato.stanford.edu/entrie...freedom-speech/
“Freedom of speech and freedom of action are meaningless without freedom to think. And there is no freedom of thought without doubt.”
Bergen Evans quotes (American Educator and Professor, 1904-197
More interesting stuff
From ENCARTA:
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclope..._(freedom)
.html
Another one:
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici...%3E2.0.CO%3B2-
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My comment will be that the occidental world communities have lost most of their values and that's why they don't understand the impact of this bad deed on Muslims for whom prophet Muhammed PBUH is very dear. We muslims understand the need for expression liberty but we do make the difference between freedom and chaos. My freedom stops when my fellow's freedom starts.
Possibly if you try to know more about this prophet you would realise the severity of this act. I invite you to visit the following site http://www.muhammad.net/ for your own benefit. Also read the following:
"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad?" Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol. II, pp. 276-277
"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level." Michael H. Hart, THE 100: A RANKING OF THE MOST INFLUENTIAL PERSONS IN HISTORY, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc., 1978, p. 33
I would again assert that its good to have a subjective opinion like JFJ expressed, but its also good to learn, study, explore knowledge around us to have a rational opinion.
All in favors of Freedom of Speach are requested to go through standford article...
I hope there will be a lot more material available on net if we want to study it
Regardless of religion/creed/sect/nation/group ..if we believe in peace and want to establish it..we have to carefully think and act
whoever is doing it based on instincts and not based on intllect may not get the desired results
cheers
Pure form of democracy having pure freedome of speach also seams fantasy
http://www.cdt.org/speech/
Ohh my i just wished to leave a single comment but I feel I'm getting pulled into a discussion (probably my own fault).
Fos I know what you mean great way to philosophy the drawback is it mostly results in endless discussions. I don’t want to get involved into that but if anybody else feels to discuss; feel free to go ahead.
I assumed it is worldwide accepted it is NOT fine to kill innocent people, if you (guess not) or other people think otherwise I hope I never meet those persons 
to save my own life. Therefore I used that example because it also related to my previous posts.
For as far as I can read back I never insulted a single person or community. If I did I never meant to!
Although I do have a opinion: It is fine to have criticism but don’t threaten people because of their opinion! Especially if history tells us that threats are carried out! Innocent people are the ones that have to pay for it!
Ps. Without the threats It would have never reached the world press and I would never have seen the drawings.
I just have spend few minuted on net and have found a huger amount of interesting things
“There are two good things in life freedom of thought and freedom of action”
William Somerset Maugham quotes (English short-story Writer, Novelist and Playwright, 1874-1965)
“The only conception of freedom I can have is that of the prisoner or the individual in the midst of the State. The only one I know is freedom of thought and action.”
Albert Camus quotes (French Novelist, Essayist and Playwright, 1957 Nobel Prize for Literature, 1913-1960)
WoW a danish philosopher
How absurd men are! They never use the liberties they have, they demand those they do not have. They have freedom of thought, they demand freedom of speech.”
Soren Kierkegaard quotes (Danish Philosopher, 1813-1855)
I agree with you Kook completly, every one should behave rationaly and in a way to not hurt others...thanks
however i would say one thing about your comment
"I assumed it is worldwide accepted it is NOT fine to kill innocent people,"
Its because we all think that will end our lives....just imagine some group of people who believes their faith or believes more valuable to than thier lifes
so in short we respect each other and should have enought knowledge to rationaly analyse any rumor around us
Thanks again
First off, the Christians are not the ones who need to lighten up, its the anti-religious zealots who insist on re-writing our countries Constitution to ban anything they feel is offensive, especially religion. Second, I don't need, nor do you need, to get into some Muslim Jackals face to let him or her know what they are and how you or anyone else feels. Muslims of extreme Islam or otherwise are Jackals who know nothing of how a true peaceful religion should be. They murder, maim, kill, and desecrate anyone and anything non-Islamic, and jokingly call it gods will. What a pathetic joke. Well I got news for them Jackals so listen up, your religion sucks, Muhammad sucked, and was nothing more than a murderer and a criminal, and Alah will be condeming you all to hell if he even exists. All of you should be obliterated from the face of this earth, and if you Jackals keep up with your bullshit radical Islam crap thats going to happen soon, and I'm frankly happy for it to come. You pusseys sit there behind your masks and hide in your shit hole Mosques and caves the blow rhetoric out your Islamic Jackal asses while kidmapping innocent unarmed men and women. Oh, yeah your real hard asses there. Your a laughing stock as much as your Muhammad jackass. Then you have the gall to send your secret little tapes to your Jackal news outlet Al-Jazeer, and at the same time call us names and ask why we don't confront you directly. Your a laughing stock towel boys, I'll confrot your sissy Jackal asses any day of the week and cut your godless asses down in a heartbeat. Thats just as soon as YOUR man enough to show YOUR pussey faces. So lets have your so called big hero leaders like Osama and Al-Zawahri crawl out of their caves and go to the TV station or public square directly and make their pathetic plea to the gullable. They will not because they are pathetic chicken shit pusseys just like the rest of you coward Jackals. They can't even get the balls up to commit one of their crimes by themselves, they have to have some poor gullable ass do their dirtywork for them. What was depicted in these cartoon are facts, and everyone has a right to publish and share them as they see fit. So get over it and crawl back into your caves until we obliterate your Jackal asses because believe me that day is coming and sooner than you think. God Bless the USA, Brittain, Spain, Japan and all of the allies in the war against terror. PS: Fuck you and your Fatwah too.
:D Mr Wonderfull...wow another shot of freedom of speech and ofcourse you must be expecting now a freedom of action kind of thin ...........
I am not getting why are we in favour of hurting others emotions.
ANY religion wouldn't look inviting to outsiders when its followers behave in a barbaric manner.
The vast majority of Good Muslims don't appear to be enraged by the 'extremist' muslims (the ones who threaten, hurt or kill people). I haven't seen any Good Muslims stand for Allah/The Prophet by standing against the bad muslims.
However, watch the Good Muslims and the bad muslims join together to break your neck over a few foolish little cartoons. CARTOONS, people!
And they wonder why they are parodied.
ANY religion wouldn't look inviting to outsiders when its followers behave in a barbaric manner.
The vast majority of Good Muslims don't appear to be enraged by the 'extremist' muslims (the ones who threaten, hurt or kill people). I haven't seen any Good Muslims stand for Allah/The Prophet by standing against the bad muslims.
However, watch the Good Muslims and the bad muslims join together to break your neck over a few foolish little cartoons. CARTOONS, people!
And they wonder why they are parodied.
Plus it feels that fanaticism is every where either we accept it or not...its just a matter of perspective... our window....and the scenary
@ Hazzabrain
"the ones who threaten, hurt or kill people"
Good to point out the definition of bad people
Ohh my FOS I expected you would say " who tells you that is bad " just kidding my friend
The press today is an army with carefully organized weapons, the journalists its officers, the readers its soldiers. But, as in every army, the soldier obeys blindly, and the war aims and operating plans change without his knowledge. The reader neither knows nor is supposed to know the purposes for which he is used and the role he is to play. There is no more appalling caricature of freedom of thought. Formerly no one was allowed to think freely; now it is permitted, but no one is capable of it any more. Now people want to think only what they are supposed to want to think, and this they consider freedom.”
Oswald Spengler quotes (German Philosopher of history. 1880-1936)
I wish I could find quotes of renowned personalities to defend the fantasy/idea of freedom of speach..
here is another one by POPE
“It is quite unlawful to demand, defend, or to grant unconditional freedom of thought, or speech, of writing or worship, as if these were so many rights given by nature to man”
Pope Leo XIII quotes (Pope from 1878 to 1903, 1810-1903)
LOL, Great comment Kook, Thanks
We already agree with each other...
however
aren't these quotes about freedom of speach interesting ?
Those cartoons are funny! So much fuss about a funny cartoon. no wonder these guys still chop heads off and exchange their wives for a couple of camels! Barbarians! I wont be surprised if they start a world war becuse of this!
LOL
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http://reopen911.org/news_events.htm
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@FOS, surely however i'm not really a philosopher thus I find it more poetry then substantive!
@ kook
great, and ofcourse those comments were not only for you and myself... those were also for all others (believing in total freedom of speach without limits) to have a broader perspective of things....
I agree, Denmark freedom of press..etc..etc.gives you the right to make fun about religion. I am a muslim and I will agree with you if you can can make similar comments and fun of Judiasim or the Virgin Mary. Why don't the newspaper show a jewish person as a pig for example or makes anti-sematic comments or show the "virgin mary" giving a blow job" to a donkey..If you have this freedom to do so, then I will have faith in your so called freedom of press and expression. You know and I know and everyone in Denmark and Oslo know that you will be in Jail and your newspaper will be out of business and you will fly to Israel kissing every Israeli's ass to accept your apology if you make one tenth of the backward cartoons about the prophit mohammad. You see, you asshole denmarks, the issue is NOT about freesom of religion, it is about RESPECT you western PIGS. Your freesom ends when other people's freedom stars. You westerners are so shallow and stupid about the so called freedom. Have some respect or be even handed and make fun of Judiasm or Christianity then and only then I will believe in your shitty freedom of press. Kiss my ass. I will never ever touch any of your products for life even if you kiss my ass. Go to hell
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We just need to prove some thing we assume
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First of all Sammy your comment about virgin mary giving a blowjob is really funny I actually had to laugh.
Second, I have to correct you about being put to jail if you would post such thing, that isn't true. But maybe the newspaper will be out of business, that just depends whether or not the reader appreciates such a joke! Maybe many people have left the newspaper because of the drawings.. Yes I believe in freedom of press, and yes I believe certain things are better unsaid, and Yes I don’t agree with everything the press tells me. That is my right I can chose what I want to believe or not. Your comment about virgin mary is funny, I don’t believe it happened but the suggestion is funny!
Sammy I don't believe that you are a Muslim. And also that if you do not believe in Freedom of speech then surely you should be ashamed of your comments. But I strongly feel that you are not a Muslim and rather you are here to defame the Muslims because all Muslims believe that Marry the mother of Chriest is a sacred personality who is admired by God himself in Quran. I strongly condemn you for hurting muslims and christians.
To the author of this site: Just a message of support, since you've been brave enough to put the cartoons up.
شب پره گر وصل آفتاب نخواهد
رونق بازار آفتاب نكاهد
let the moth hate the sun
the sun is always worthy
from iran
To all of you who have posted on this site here is a thought. You are now in fact practicing freedom of speech. How can you deny others what you are now doing? From the cartoons about Mohammad to the remarks about the Virgin Mary this is what freedom of speech is all about, differences of opinions and being able to express them.
@JFJ that is exactly what i tried to express in the last sentence of my previous post!
Isn't it a great gift ?
What all these idiots dont realise is that most Danes have boycotted Jyllands Posten anyway. Most of us agree that the cartoons were beyond stupid, but we still stand by our right to free expression.
The newspaper has apologised. The Prime Minister hasn't and shouldn't, since he has nothing to do with what has been published.
Recent escalations in the crisis spawned by the Danish Jyllands-Posten’s publication of a series of cartoons ridiculing Prophet Muhammad appear, on the surface, to be a test of Europe’s commitment to free speech. Yet the issue is substantially more complex.
All religions should be protected from vilification and ridicule. Restriction on freedom of expression certainly places us on a dangerously slippery slope, but in the long run, a sense of social responsibility governing press freedoms seems bound to promote a healthier atmosphere of respect and mutual toleration, of which the world is greatly in need.
The more chaotic alternative, sure to appeal to some die-hard libertarians, is to declare open season on all religious groups and beliefs. And this is where the trouble arises.
The complication stems from the conviction held by many Muslims, that “press freedom” of the Danish variety would not be tolerated—indeed, would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law—if Judaism were made the target of such slurs, in a Europe where fears of anti-Semitism have long acted as a sort of moral bludgeon, shaping legislation and molding public norms and taboos.
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A sense of social responsibility governing press freedoms promotes a healthier atmosphere of respect and mutual toleration.
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This conviction, borne out again and again by repeated controversies in Western media circles, leaves Muslims with the unsettling impression that incitement to hatred is tolerable only when Muslims are victimized. True, Christianity often bears more than its fair share of mockery in an increasingly secularized Europe. And European free speech laws are largely the product of an Enlightenment-era outlook on the role and status of religion in society. But while it is unreasonable to expect Europeans to overlook the cultural experiences of several centuries, it is equally unreasonable to expect one billion Muslims to take it for granted that free speech affords others a right to ridicule their religion, while staunchly protecting another religion from the same treatment.
The kerfuffle over these cartoons proves, as if further proof was needed, that "revealed" religion is a pox upon humanity.
Ah, excellent cartoons, I especially liked the first one. Next time I would like to see some cartoons about female circumsision in muslim countries, the acid throwing in Pakistan and the other great moslem things you have there.
Oh, and please, do come here and try to kill me. Or at least threaten me. these cartoons aren't blasphemy, since muhammed wasn't god, was he? He was just a man. A man who took a 9 year old girl to his wife and killed probably thousands of people during his conquests.
Yes, freedom is indeed a great gift! Living in freedom to me is one of the things in life that is worth protecting. Unfortunately people who have never experienced true freedom cannot comprehend it. Anything that challenges their way of life or thinking to them is a treat. Instead of searching for answers peacefully they resort to violence
To the cartoonists & nonbeleivers:
You are insulting Muslims under the pretext of freedom of speech. Anyhow, Islam is the religion of peace & truth. Mohammad (pbuh)is not founder of Islam but it is Allah (God) who chose him as his messenger for the whole human kind. One should know that we muslims beleive not only in Muhammed (pbuh) but also in Jesus & Mosa (pbut)as they were on the right path. Muslims were not thrown from sky to earth as a pack of people, rather they were people like you who saw the true spirit of Islam & accepted it as a way of their life. At the very begining there were non-beleivers who were enormous in number, money & resources & they left no stone unrolled to creat obstacles & even kill Muhammed, the true messenger of Allah, but truth prevailed & Muslims mushroomed. It is a misconception to attach terrorism with Islam. Muhammed (pbuh) had no army & weapons to terrorise people nor he had money & material resources. He was a poor & honest man. My advice to you is to study & explore Quran & Ahadis & know what
Islam is all about.
dont make anymore suicides, there are no more vergins, mohammed all used them for himself
Most interesting!
That's just great. Actually someone who is strong enough to do that. All the people which cry because the think its against their religion forget about all the speeches from their 'I want to be a great' president! I will print it and hang it out un school so everybody can see it!
only animals dont think about what they r doing or saying . so before you follow what other people say , u sould read about mohammed's history and what he says then decide where
will u be.and dont be like an animal that just follow her master without thinking
If ever i meen EVER come in any close contact with any of the Shit cartoonists ever, I CAN GUARANTEE evrey one onw thing.
I will KILL repeat KILL his/her/them.
U all R Ass Holes to the N-th degree. that's for sure. !
Thanks for your support. My site Uriasposten.net has been downed five days straight.
But one day I get online again...
I think we get a pretty clear picture of the muslim mind from these posts.
The cartoons weren't very funny, but that's hardly the point. Well done for posting them. I might even buy your nasty bacon in solidarity.
One of your posters said "All religions should be protected from vilification and ridicule."
Why should that be, as most are vile and ridiculous, especially, it has to be said, islam?
Now, is Denmark going to wake up to who is the real enemy?
I saw the news. Wen someone threatens with violence, why it is always a Muslim?
Someone can help me with this?
You FUk, happy now,
Danish daily's Prophet cartoon sparks anger, boycott in Gulf
Dubai: The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has joined other Muslim governments in condemning the publication in a Danish newspaper of cartoons depicting Prophet Mohammad as a terrorist, the Gulf News reported Monday.
The cartoons have sparked a wave of denunciations and boycott of Danish products across the Muslim world.
The publication of the offensive cartoons could spark "a dreadful clash of civilisations," said the UAE Minister of Justice, Islamic Affairs and Awqaf, Mohammad Nakhira Al Daheri.
The statement came as retailers across the Gulf began clearing the shelves of Danish products in protest against the Copenhagen-based Jyllands-Posten newspaper's publication of the cartoons.
"As much as we condemn extremism in every part of the world... we condemn the abuse that was published, which represents a cultural extremism," said Al Daheri.
"We also warn of any unexpected consequences of (such) actions," he added in a statement issued following a meeting with senior scholars at the ministry.
Meanwhile, UAE lawyer Abdul Hamid Al Kumity filed a suit at the emirate's Public Prosecution against the Danish newspaper for publishing "slandering material against Islam and the Prophet."
About 50 women marched in Dubai's Al Mamzar area calling for an end to "all dealings" with Denmark.
Cooperative societies and supermarkets in the UAE, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia began pulling out Danish products despite the newspaper's apology to the Saudis on its website.
In a message addressed to the "Respected citizens of Saudi Arabia," the newspaper said it never intended to offend the religious feelings of anybody.
"Unfortunately what happened was not at all a deliberate act," it said.
The cartoons were first published last September in Jyllands-Posten in which the prophet is shown wearing a turban shaped as a bomb.
Islam does not allow the depiction of Prophet Muhammad, even if it is respectful, because of concerns that it could lead to idolatry.
But last week a Norwegian Christian magazine published the same set of controversial caricatures that ignited the row.