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Ah the herd mentality might finally be turning in our favor!
The Pope is condemning atheism.
He Who Zings Rats, the leader of a global organization with a decades-long track-record of producing, coddling, and shielding hundreds or even thousands of serial child-rapers, and intimidating their victims into silence, is condemning atheism.
This is like syphilis denouncing penicillin as a bad incfluence.
Gah.
What the fuck are you dumbasses talking about? It's very nice and comfy to put the atheist spin on the truth and post it here cos only atheists read this garbage, let me guess, all your regular visitors live in like a 2 mile radius in some shabby neighborhood? there's no one to police you fools, so you post what you want and live inside your little atheist bubble. the "shrinking world of believers" will still outnumber you like 20 to 1, and that's with the atheist estimate of how many of you there are, it's probably more like 50 to 1.
Wow, I can tell by my blog, you must be the one from South Carolina. So deeply rooted in the religion you were brain-washed with from birth, you can't see the universe through the clouds.
You're an embarrassment to my home state. You're also not even smart enough to see people ALL OVER THE WORLD visit these blogs.
We're growing, deal with it.
You got like visitors from 5 different countries once or twice. the blogs which get visitors from all over the world on a regular basis are the ones which don't bias everything with atheist filth, yours is not one of them. you may be growing, but you'll never come even close to outgrowing Christians. you deal with it, instead of scouring the net for little articles which claim religion is loosing ground and wrapping yourself in the lie. And maybe it's you who's been brainwashed, oh.. wait, that's impossible, you're too smart to be brainwashed.
What really makes me sick though is the way atheists pervert their children, and remove almost all chance they have of being saved.
I'm not from south carolina by the way, wrong again. Guess again, you won't get it in a thousand tries.
Let me guess, you're a friend of my mother's...wouldn't that be a hoot.
And I said "blog(S)" not just my blog, there's a bunch. I'm not alone in realizing religion is poisoning brains. You need someone invisible to turn to, because you can't think for yourself.
I'm not a friend of your mother's either. Just a stranger calling you out on your foolishness. If you think about it, we can't really turn to God unless we have faith in him, it's not a support system that we've invented for ourselves. It wouldn't work that way. If you could think a bit, you would have figured that out by now.
want to take a poke at who I am again? don't bother.
Ummm, I really don't care who you are, but I can tell you who you're not. I don't go to Christian blogs and slam Christianity.
Just how many atheists are in jail? Now how many supposed Christians are imprisoned each year....wow, go figure, by your estimates, it's A LOT!
If someone on a Christian blog slams atheism, you're welcome to defend yourselves. Just make sure what they're saying isn't true first.
The prison thing made no sense, work on your writing a bit. You sound scatterbrained.
Apparently this is what he, she, or it considers to be "defending" Christianity. No actual arguments or logic, just insults and profanity.
What could any atheist write about Christianity that would make it look half as bad as this person's representing it does?
There was an argument at the beginning "I'm a" jackass.
And people like me representing Christianity does not give you the justification to turn away from it. If I thought every atheist I met represented atheism, atheist would be synonymous with "me being an" asshole.
We both do the same thing, write hateful comments, except i break my moral code, you break nothing. And you have the smugness to catch me for it.
Every time a Christian calls you out on something i bet you go "ooh wait, you can't do that, some Christian you are!!!" "I'm a" Fucking looser.
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Looser? Is this how you want to be treated? I'm better than that. You attack strangers in cyber space, and yes, I say unto you, as you said, how xtian of you.
May your god give you a special place when you pass through the only living life you have on this earth.
I'm still not catching your train of though, it's all over the place.
Do this, think of what you want to say, write it out, take a nap, then read it again and see if it makes sense, before publishing something. Or get someone else to read it first.
Truth/Anon: That's a funny name... funny since it's obvious you don't know the first thing about the definition of the word!
20 to 1?
Maybe that holds true in the US, but certainly not not in Europe! On average 47% of the population of Europe identifies as being atheist. Some countries have up to 90% of the populous being atheist.
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You are a sorry little minded individual who has nothing better to do but sling insults, and avoid coming up with any concrete evidence backing your beliefs up. How very Christian of you... I'm sure Jesus would be proud of you.
Does is make you feel some kind of power picking on a blogger such as myself. Small minded people like yourself are not wanted here.
Putting religion aside, you're just plain bent on trying to hurt people, instead of trying to "bring them into the fold".
Stones, dude, you got 'em. Now what? Let it go, get off my freaking blog and go to your church and pray, it would be time better spent for you, sounds like you need it...
According to this survey of religion in the US by a Christian organization, the adult population breaks down as 58 million "active-faith" Christians, 20 million atheists, and in between, 130 million "Christians in name only". So it's more like ten to one than twenty to one, and for seven out of the ten it doesn't mean much.
See, Anon, I even included a source. This is an example of what we atheists refer to as "facts" and "data". Since you may not have encountered those concepts before, here's a clue: facts and data don't change no matter how much profanity and insults you sling around.
Vamp, you've got way more patience than I would with this mangy little whatever-it-is yapping at you and crapping on your carpet. I'd have called the pound a long time ago.
Through Haloscan, I have the power to delete AND ban, but I chose to let him snarl around and make a fool out of himself.
I'm sure there are good Christians who would say, he's setting a bad example.
I'm not perfect and I know that, apparently he doesn't realize he's not either, he thinks he's speaking for GOD. How scary is that?
dear mr truth
your whole religeon is built on untruths and stolen myths
remember BIBLE is an achronym
B..BULLSHIT
I..INCLUDING
B..BIGOTRY
L..LIES
E..EXAGGERATIONS
So run along and try to learn something
definition of truth maybe
"Do this, think of what you want to say, write it out, take a nap, then read it again and see if it makes sense, before publishing something. Or get someone else to read it first."
Anon wrote this after finishing this paragraph:
"I'm still not catching your train of though, it's all over the place."
"Though?" I suppose you meant thought.
Perhaps you should follow your own words of condescension there anon?
I missed one t at the end of a word, i sure must be stupid. Which one of you fools do i answer next, you all seem to started jumping up and down all of a sudden. American and Europe are not the only places on earth, there's the whole world out there, and Christians alone will outnumber atheists, then there are the Muslims, and the Hindus, and all the other believers. fdqpink, I beg to differ, i believe the bible is true. That's how easy it is for me to destroy your argument. And this middle aged atheist, who incidentally also happens to be packing her kids off to hell as we speak, is enjoying the attention way to much to ban me, i mean, it's the most attention this pathetic blog has ever recieved.
Let me explain where you stand. I don't know, plain and simple, I don't know because the atheist cocksuckers who do these surveys obviously want to cover up the truth, so they clump atheists, secularists,agnostics, and the non religious together, and say it's about 900 million, why would they do that? here's why, cos atheists have a puny little percentage that can nicely be counted on one hand. Agnostics aren't atheist, non religious are people who believe in god but don't actively worship, and secularists are people who believe that religion should not be incorporated in anything. and all the atheists start jumping around that place "we got a billion". Jackasses. burn in hell all you loosers.
wow you believe the bible is true what a well thought out reply i must admit your argument has me stumped . how can i argue with someone who has the education and morality of a bronze age incestuous camal shagging tent dweller. i now realise the earth is flat and i shall take my children out and stone them for being gobby teenagers.
we have a couple of words for people like you ignorent twats now why dont you apologise to the nice lady then just piss off and go join the westborough baptist arseholes.
The bible does not say the earth is flat, neither does it say to stone your kids. anything else?
It does say to kill them though, and the word is LOSER not looser, loser.
Here's a couple of bible quotes for you:
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Ok it's not stoning, so are you gonna kill you kids now for cursing you? Geez, I hope you don't have kids.
I dont recall saying either was in the bible. But i noticed you havn't denied any thing else i said.but you want me to quote your bull try rev:7:4 according to that heaven is jews only and only 144,000 of them yep yer gonna be burnin' with the rest of us
Truth: I never said you were stupid. You did that yourself...
Your inability to argue without excessive spewing of words like cock sucker and the like, suggest that perhaps you are in fact stupid.
Not to mention little gems like this:
"fdqpink, I beg to differ, i believe the bible is true. That's how easy it is for me to destroy your argument."
Destroy pink's argument? That is laughable!
Belief doesn't lend itself as concrete evidence of anything! I can say that I believe that Unicorns and UFO's are real, but that doesn't make them exist, or my belief truth.
Your circular reasoning is hilarious!
Oh and if there is a Hell, I guess we'll all see you there! Because I'm pretty sure that Jebus was supposed to have said "Judge not, lest ye be judged"... I'm sure he's proud of your damning us to hell, all while calling us lovely names. See ya in hell motherfucker! I'll be the one shoving a pineapple up your ass!
hi , im the 18yr old daughter of fdqpink. i have to say that "truth" speaker.. your full of it really...
you keep changing your stories, your point of view everytime someone puts across a point that you cant defend.
im studying alevel (second year collage, in the uk ) philsophy and i have to say you have been a great example for a theory by antony flew, called the falsification theory, which concludes that religious statements were infact meaningless because they can not be proven. he used a parable by john wisdom , about a secret garden that apeared to be kept by someone, 2 friends who found the garden decided to hide and wait for the garderner, when he didn't show, the first friend (the athiest) said lets go, the other friend (the naive christian) said oh he's invisable, lets set a trip wire, and agaiwn when he didn't show, the second friend changed his theory again
by the way , the gardener represented that invisable friend of yours called god,
i could start using examples from sociology too, using freud, marx ect to show you that in an advanced society there is no use for religion.
but im going to leave that for another time because im sure your going to reinvent your views to argue for the existance of your invisible friend
(plus im going to slaughter a goat )
Well Truth/anon/douchebag (I forget, what is your name again?)
To say that the bible doesn't say to stone your kids shows utter lack of education IN YOUR OWN RELIGION.
From Deuteronomy:
21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Pick up a bible sometime, you just might learn something. Reading the bible and studying the bible is one of the things that led me to atheism. C'mon try reading it, we need to increase the atheist numbers...
look at that, they called a philosopher to try and take me out.
I never changed my story, it's always been my stand that God can not be proven. And it's funny you should bring up antony flew, cos he's changed his mind quite a bit in the last decade.
And if you were a scientist, you would be arguing that theories do indeed need regular changing, it just so happens you're a philosopher, and A levels? Really? That's like pee-wee philosophy. I would want to make sure I at least had a doctorate before philosophizing and coming to the conclusion that there's no God.
I'm not going to save my arguments against your future arguments against God from sociology. If you know what sociology is, you'll know it can not disprove a God. The closest it can get to doing that, is show how a society society will function if a God is completely removed from the equation.
Besides that, if you believe that 'no use for God' = 'God does not exist', you are terribly mistaken.
I would really like to know from where you got the impression that I keep changing my stories.
Poodle, I'm not going to answer that. Poke around in your bible a bit more, say a thousand or so pages later, to find out why I think you're a fool.
there you go jumping to conclusions again.
ook at that, they called a philosopher to try and take me out.
Actually this morning i showed the crap you have been spewing to my daughter.When she had finished laughing she posted it herself no coercion just an urge to ridicule the ridiculous also i noticed you have been quiet for a while now be honest i know you find the concept difficult but would this be you as well
"I need some prayers, I'm up against a trio of athiests on another forum and some of the things they say...I really do need to hold my temper back, not because they're mean, but because it's like they're pulling their 'proof' and 'evidence' out of a fairy tale book, and no amount of talking will change their minds. It's kind of hurt me to think that I can't defend God and creation. Please pray."
if so you telling us all that only with divine help can you try to win an intellectual discussion with a young girl Wow! the power of your god must be almost unbeleivable no it is totally unbelievable. i also notice you pick and choose which things you are going to reply to and which you ignore bit like how you read your bible guess what there is more to it than john 3:16
so as a devout follower you also believe in the subjegation of women, slavery
I'm sorry have deal with these small mind morons. I love how they act like they have done nothing wrong throught out history. Never killed in the name of god to slince anyone who point out how full of shit they are. I love how they don't no the difference from right and wrong.
here's what's actually happening fdqpink. It's finals week, I have 3 exams this week, I wrote one last evening, studied till 3 this morning, and still had enough steam to destroy your daughters 'arguments', even the ones she has yet to make, then I studied some more, and I'm writing this, so there you go. Forgive me if I'm slowing down a bit.
I don't know the bible word for word, so I do have to read up a bit every time one of you atheists pulls something new up.
about slavery and women, I'll answer that later, because I don't know yet. in the mean while feel free to claim victory.
about slavery and women, I'll answer that later, because I don't know yet. in the mean while feel free to claim victory.
you dont know yet? what? you are now telling me you dont know your own opinion on basic human rights without looking it up that has got to go to the top of the most dumb things I have ever seen, heard or read list. I think that even beats "god did it"
how again should I claim victory this is not an argument but a mocking. but if you keep coming up with such ridiculous statements it may well become a pitying.
Now I have a question for you.
If the ark was sealed until it grounded on the mountain when did noah drop off the marsupials in australia and why were they segregated from mammals ? ok that was two questions.
"Poodle, I'm not going to answer that"
Why not? Is it because you can't? Your evasion of the subject is quite telling! Instead you change gears and refer to some random number of pages within the bible (you can't even give us that source) to justify your anger at us foolish atheist.
Earlier you said:
"fdqpink, I beg to differ, i believe the bible is true."
Yet you say you won't answer the above? Is it because maybe the bible isn't entirely true? If it is the infallible word of god then why aren't you answering the question? Should we assume that you agree with this part of the bible? You claimed that you believe it is the truth, so we can assume you must agree with it.
If not then why not? How can you say it(the bible) is the truth if you don't agree with everything contained within it?
While we're at it. Do you also agree with this?
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)"
But wait there's more! Since one can't treat the children of Israel this way, how can one treat them?
"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2)"
So it's OK to own one of your own, but only for six years... I see. But the children and wife are still property of the master? How nice. But the slave can stay with them. Only at a high price, his servitude will be for life!
Do you agree that slavery is OK? It says it is in the bible, so you must!
If you are going to claim that you are defeating us, because you "believe" the bible, and it is your sole source for your argument, then you'd better own up to all of it. And not just the parts that justify your sick little agenda.
The Bible doesn't directly say that the earth is flat but it does say that Satan showed Jesus all the kingdoms of the world from one high vantage point, which would only be possible if the world were flat.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
That's true, most religions gloss over the disturbing stories (and I say "stories" because the Bible is the greatest story ever told). When you're involved in the church,like during sermon, no one wants to here about the atrocities, because they put a bad taste in the mouthes of the followers. Leviticus was never mentioned to me when I was a Catholic growing up. And it's the most disturbing of all to me.
antony flew was 80 before he changed his view which to me shout dementia, and he still isn't christian
i beg to differ that alevel philsophy is "pee wee philsophy" the study of philsophy is a discipline that requires an open, logical mind. something that, from your previous comments,you dont appear to have, i also study chemistry and biology and sociology so i do understand that WITH EVIDENCE theories can change, but as there is no physical evidence for your invisible friend, unless you count that book of contradiction you claim to follow,which is void for exactly that reason
and before you start its not christianity i have a problem with, i accept people believe in it, its you for not acepting others for their indvidual view.
and do some reading for fuck sake...
ill give you a list
THE BIBLE
ANYTHING FROM ARISOTLE (MOST CHRISTIAN TEACHINGS COME FROM HIS PHILSOPHY)
.. for a start
i left this off my last comment..
since when did you have to have to have an doctorate to have an opinion!! ...
is that your excuse for not having an opinion on anything for certain yet.
(by the way are you american?. honest question.)
Fdqpink, I don't know yet, the bible is a huge book with many references to women and slavery, so to form an opinion, I have to take all of these passages into consideration, which I just so happen to have not done for a few things yet. It does not mean I have no grounds to believe the Bible is true. Your question about the marsupials has been answered numerous times on the internet. Maybe if you look on the internet a bit, you can argue yourself out of atheism.
I'm not picking and choosing, I'm reading the whole bible before I form an opinion, you on the other hand, spew it out the moment you find something nasty. That's what's called picking and choosing. In the book of John, Jesus clearly says not to stone the adulterous woman, he says let a sinless person throw the first stone because he knew there was no such person, except for him. And then he forgives her. The new testament, which was written after God saw that the old testament was not working, tells us to judge only the way we want to be judged, so no stoning kids. Besides that, this will be hard for atheists to swallow, but if you know what a God is, if you understand the concept of a God, you won't question what a God says, he has a reason for everything, we may just not be seeing it, and to think you're above a God is stupid. I'm not going to apologize for what God's instruction is just because you think it's cruel.
Philosopher, Maybe flew's age has given him wisdom, not all old people suffer from dementia. It's your opinion that there's no physical evidence for God, your opinion could be wrong, how are you so sure that you're correct? I could say that everything is evidence for God, the trees, the animals, humans. But I won't say that because I know you won't accept it.
You don't need a doctorate to have an opinion, but becoming an atheist is a big decision, and possibly very damaging, so to think that A level philosophy is enough to make that decision with, is absolute madness. Also, at 18, you most likely don't have the maturity, and definitely not the wisdom to make such a big decision. Regardless of your belief in a God, if you understand the concept of a God, you'll agree it's the bigest decision of your life.
I'm alright with atheists not believing in a God, what I'm not alright with, is atheists poking fun at Christians, taking things out of context, skewing details, lying, exaggerating... it goes on.
I'm still waiting for your arguments from sociology, I don't want to see the 20 seconds I spent undoing them go to waste.
Again, if I'm slow to reply to you, maybe it's because every time one of you plucks something from the internet and throws it at me, I do have to do a bit of reading before answering you, and there's about 5 of you, and It's finals week. So forgive me if a bunch of atheists aren't high on my list.
No, I'm not American, I'm Indian, so you can throw your "if you were born in some other part of the world you wouldn'
wouldn't be christian" argument out the window.
Anon wrote:
I'm alright with atheists not believing in a God, what I'm not alright with, is atheists poking fun at Christians, taking things out of context, skewing details, lying, exaggerating... it goes on.
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None of which is occurring here my Indian friend.
Before you accept the bible as the "Truth" I would suggest your do some study on its origins, composition and journey through history.
You argue that "child of fdq pink" does not have the maturity and wisdom to make certain decisions yet the catholic church requires this very maturity at age 12 (confirmation).
I have no philosophy training whatsoever, what knowledge do I need to be able to make the big decision?
Why do you think you are qualified to make such a big decision (ie to believe in God)?
Anon/Truth said:
"The new testament, which was written after God saw that the old testament was not working, tells us to judge only the way we want to be judged, so no stoning kids. Besides that, this will be hard for atheists to swallow, but if you know what a God is, if you understand the concept of a God, you won't question what a God says, he has a reason for everything, we may just not be seeing it, and to think you're above a God is stupid. I'm not going to apologize for what God's instruction is just because you think it's cruel."
Bear with me, but I'm going to dissect, and ask questions about each sentence of this nonsense.
"The new testament, which was written after God saw that the old testament was not working, tells us to judge only the way we want to be judged, so no stoning kids."
If the New Testament was written by god (through men) after he saw the old one wasn't working, let me ask you this. 1) Why did god need to write a new testament in the first place? If he is omnipotent, then he should have had the whole thing figured out in the first place! No need for a revision! 2) Why did it take god almost a hundred years to get it written down in GREEK and not Hebrew after Jesus supposedly was resurrected?
While we are on the subject of the NT, why don't the gospels agree on several points? Matthew , Mark, and Luke spoke of charity, kindness and good deeds as a way to heaven. Yet John says one must be "reborn" and eat and drink of the body and blood of Christ to be saved. Was John a cannibal?
Matthew says nothing about the Ascension. Certainly there never was a greater miracle, and yet Matthew, who was present, who saw the Lord rise, ascend and disappear, did not think it worth mentioning!
On the other hand, the last words of Christ, according to Matthew, contradict the Ascension: "Lo I am with you always, even unto the end of the world."
John, who was present, if Christ really ascended, says not one word on the subject.
As to the Ascension, the gospels do not agree.
How do reconcile this? If these books are divinely inspired, then how is possible to have such different accounts? Or leave out such important details? There are plenty more discrepancies if you look for them.
"Besides that, this will be hard for atheists to swallow, but if you know what a God is, if you understand the concept of a God, you won't question what a God says,"
OK, do you really know what god is? You yourself said god is a concept. A lot of things are concepts, but until they are completed, or followed through on they remain just that, concepts. If god wants to be anything other than a concept, then why not perform all the fantastical miracles that are written about in the bible now? How can a concept "say" anything anyway? Humans however, are quite capable of saying a lot of ridiculous things, as you quite handily demonstrate!
"he has a reason for everything, we may just not be seeing it,"
Wha
To continue from my last post, haloscan cut off the last bit.
"he has a reason for everything, we may just not be seeing it,"
Copout!!! Again, why not just perform a few miracles, say end global warming. Maybe then we might understand this concept...
"I'm not going to apologize for what God's instruction is just because you think it's cruel."
Then you my friend are an ignorant fool that deserves every bit of disappointment that comes as a result of buying into this sort of thinking...
I fell out of my chair when Anon/Truth wrote: "The new testament, which was written after God saw that the old testament was not working..."! Would that be the NEW AND IMPROVED version from the perfect GOD? WTF?
Geez, and you're picking on someone who's 18 (and quite well educated, I might add) and you yourself are taking finals this week? How insulting...unless you're middle-aged and started late in life.
How did you come to Christianity? Just real curious...
"No, I'm not American, I'm Indian, so you can throw your "if you were born in some other part of the world you wouldn'"
Not really, consider this Jesus said "No-one can come to the Father except through me" and dogma states that if you don't go to Heaven you go to Hell. Imagine that being damned to eternal punishment just for being born in a remote place
without missionaries.
If all of the above is true (feel free to correct me on any of the details) then God is no better than the Devil, condemning people to eternal punishment just for being born in the wrong place.
before you start setting time limits to send in posts, remember im in england so when you were posting, i was sleeping cause i too am still in education and studying for some of my final exams.
ok you want the sociologiocal aproach ?
basicaly, you've heard of freud? and the oedipus complex(if not go find out) he says pretty much, that god is created as a figure to aspire to over come .. you need to know the ons and out of the oedipus complex
also durkheim studied over 15yrs societies that were at diffrent stages of development and found that as they became more developed a need for religion was reduced.
and all the sociologist i have studied with concern to religion (marx durkiem webber) say that religion is only useful for establishing a society with rules and laws ... once they are established ther is really no need
and i wasn't going to say if you had a diffrent world view, because it is quite obvious that there are a few people on here that are american and have a point of view
can i ask how old you are?
and another question before i go to collage
where do you stand with the problem of evil.. why is there evil in the world ?
here are your options
a)god's an arse
b)god doesn't exsist
c) god isn't the omniscience, omnipotence, omnipresence, omnibenevolence thing you beleive in
(flew may not have been suffering from dementia but he only believed in a demierge not a ful blown "god" )
oh and trees and everything on this planet are not necessarly proof and the big bang theory has been proven !
"The new testament, which was written after God saw that the old testament was not working"
So, GOD fucked up the first time?
Going serious for a minute. So you from India I think that’s even sadder that you are christian because you are surrounded with better and saner religions than us in the uk and the states. Personally if I had to follow a belief system my choice would be Buddhism or Hinduism. While although they do have some bizarre off shoots the core teachings are quite sane. However I digress to get back to the points I said earlier you seem to be ignoring any question or quote you don’t like, such as the fact it states in rev 7:4 that only 144,000 Jews are going to be allowed up to heaven.
You initially said you destroyed my argument which confused me as I had not made any argument only a statement. Now are you finding the concept of meaningful discussion difficult or are you of the school of thought that he who shouts loudest is right?
Remember you chose to comment on this blog and you started with disrespect and profanity this is why you have got so much attention then when you finished ranting your main argument seems to be “I believe it aint so” this is not good enough.
We are not people who have followed a fashion to become non believers we are people who (on the whole) have realised its bullshit. Myself like poodles got to this point by reading the bible. I certainly found w2hat I was told was not what was in the bible. On further reading I found that many of the “stories” contained within the bible are corruptions of real history, some by the “Chinese whispers” phenomena that naturally occurs from tales being handed down by word of mouth and others BT clever but corrupt individuals or states that have “edited stories” for their own ends. None more than the Roman Empire when the entity that is now known as the catholic church adopted the “christian” myth as its own. And before you state your not catholic ALL modern versions of christianity stem from catholicism.
Now I have taken the time to explain where I am coming from would you do me the decency to put some thought into answering the questions that we have asked?
fdqpink: I doubt this person is capable of a rational and civil discourse.
So far he/she has avoided answering every single question i've put forth. I think it is because they have no answers for them, and feel better about calling us names, instead of facing the TRUTH... truth that the bible is a hodgepodge of ancient fire side tales, and mythology that has been crafted as a hammer to wield upon humanity. And not the inerrant word of a sky daddy.
No I disagree I think he she or it is capable of a coherant discussion I just think they have to get over the shock of having its beliefs questioned as I suspect it's not experienced it before. Now they seem to have curbed the juvenile name calling they might start thinking about what they are saying if not my sides ache from them saying it had to look up its opinion on slavery and treatment of the fairer sex.Oh and mr(s)truth anon if you obect to being referred to as it give us a clue I do suspect your either a straight male or a lesbien as you used cocksucker as an insult.
I think he/she/it's gone.
Why can't all you filthy, cocksucking atheists agree with me? hahah hoho.
(this is about the gist of all religious argument)
Need I say more?
Probably not, but I'm on a roll, so I will:
How can you argue with someone who's life is based on rationalisation of belief in something which can only be proven by 'having faith'?
What a convenient and handy tool "faith" is. To be so able to easily smite atheists and non believers by saying "it's about faith". Anyone who questions god is told that it requires a strong "faith", and having "faith" in something unprovable will help you "know" it is true. This approach requires no thought, analysis or common sense, it simply allows one to take on any opinion, accept it as a fact without question, and justify it by saying "I know it is true", or "I know what I know".
Sounds like our xtian "friend" is off doing finals/exams. He's probably pissed off, because he prayed to God he'd do good on his tests, and wants to blame us atheists for his prayers not being answered. If only we believed, God would answer his prayers maybe....lol.
Part of the problem for christians is that they are pumped with the crazy premise ... "god works in mysterious ways...and you must never question the word of god" so of course they blindly have 'faith' and never question anything, and with everyone here knowing more about the bible than him, he feels inadequate poor little xtian, and must resort to dirty name calling
im quite dissapointed cause i was finding proving him wrong with philsophy quite a good revision tool, lol
hehe, maybe he's finally reading :D
child of fdq: I think you scared him away! 
Philosopher, you botched your own first argument when you claimed flew was demented, and I countered your second one before I even heard it. You were proving me wrong with philosophy were you? And has the big bang been proven? I'm not going to bother denying that because it has nothing to do with the birds and the trees, you must have meant evolution, and evolution, like the big bang theory has not been proven. Oops, did I just accidentally deny the big bang? There's evil in this world because of Satan. Satan was originally an angel, which is why he has so much power. But he turned on God, and was thrown out of heaven, which is why he's being a nuisance on earth. This must sound like a fairy tale to you, maybe that's because Satan's fucking with you, it's unwise to not consider that possibility.
Tattoo, having pineapples shoved up your ass is a massage compared to what's awaiting you in hell. The old testament didn’t work because God gave the people free will, and the people fucked it up, and instead of sending everyone to hell, he invented a more failsafe version for us. I don’t know exactly how long the NT took, it was close to a hundred years, because people take time to write, and Jesus told revealed the new covenant before he went back to heaven, so there was no hurry really. It was in greek maybe because greek was a widely spoken language at that time. God does not perform some super miracle and prove his existence because that would effectively be removing our free will. We’ll be believing in him because we have no choice, because we don’t want to go to hell, not because we truly love him. Jesus said he stands at the door and knocks, and it is up to us to open the door. There is lot of evidence for God, one I can think of right now is human conscience, our knowledge of right and wrong, and our infallible ability to sin, every child lies, steals and disobeys before ever being exposed to these things, so it’s not something we pick up, it’s something we’re born with. Then we grow up, and learn to control the urge to do these things, but chimps, even the noblest chimpanzee will never stop stealing How does an atheist explain this, unless the atheist’s a creationist, the atheist will claim chimps evolved differently from humans, cells are arranged differently when they develop. Different DNA, blah blah, blah…. all the atheist bullshit, whatever. This can never account for the fact that they don’t develop a conscience. It’s almost unfortunate I won’t be able to enjoy watching you burn in hell tattoo, you’re biased, ignorant, foolish, and incapable of thinking, oh wait, I just described the average atheist. Take your meaningless, pathetic excuse for a life and do something with it you little bitch. Actually, I'd rather you just die a worthless old cunt, but God wants not for that to happen.
PLZ don't use "anon" anymore or I'll have to delete you.
THIS SPEAKS VOLUMES: "We’ll be believing in him because we have no choice, because we don’t want to go to hell, not because we truly love him. "NOT because we truly Love Him"???? Jesus kills baby kittens when you say things like that. Sounds like you're going to hell, because Jesus LOVES YOU, right? And you can't return the favor, you're only worshipping him because of the fear of Hell alone? WOW!
you really have to get your shit together blog owner, are you dyslexic, or have some condition that disallows you to write clear and understandable sentences? probably not, because you don't think straight either. It's more likely a mild retardation.
"Sounds like you're going to hell, because Jesus LOVE YOU, right? And you can't return the favor, you're only worshipping him because of the fear of Hell alone?"
wrong.. wrong..right..wrong. 1 out of 4, make that full blown retardation.
sounds like I'm going to hell? how?
Jesus loving me won't cause me to go to hell, My fucking up will cause my damnation.
Yes, I can't return the favour, you got this right.
I pray to god because I know he's true. It's quite easy to get into heaven, accept God, don't sin, and repent if you do sin, before jumping on that find out what repent really means, it's hardly a verb. If a lifelong atheist finds proof of God, that's when fear of hell comes into play, because every atheist knows if a God were to judge him/her.. bad things will happen.
Actually you probably got the 1 right by fluke, you're absolutely MENTAL.
you found a baby kitten? the last time I checked all kittens were adults.
Honest question blog owner, are you dyslexic? There's actually a semi reasonable argument for an evolutionary process in dyslexia, so you should be proud if you are.
Really the words baby kitten is a redundancy, kittens are baby CATS.
Your ability to throw out disturbing words to harm don't work here.
YOU said, "The old testament didn’t work because God gave the people free will..."
"Here is why that argument is weak. First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness. The latter option is clearly superior, since perfect robots will never make decisions which could render them or their creator unhappy, whereas beings with freewill could. A perfect and omnipotent God who creates beings capable of ruining their own happiness is impossible.
Second, even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options.
Third, God supposedly has freewill, and yet he does not make imperfect decisions. If humans are miniature images of God, our decisions should likewise be perfect. Also, the occupants of heaven, who presumably must have freewill to be happy, will never use that freewill to make imperfect decisions. Why would the originally perfect humans do differently?
The point remains: the presence of imperfections in the universe disproves the supposed perfection of its creator."
Thanks Evil Bible for this.
"Take your meaningless, pathetic excuse for a life and do something with it you little bitch. Actually, I'd rather you just die a worthless old cunt, but God wants not for that to happen."
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Ah I see you've returned to your old tactics of calling us names, instead of answering questions.
My life has plenty of meaning to me, and those who know and love me. And as far as I'm concerned, you are the one with the pathetic excuse for a life. After all, no one forced you to come to this blog to post your vitriol. You did that on your own. And you keep coming back for more don't you? You are are the "pathetic little bitch." Nice Christian attitude there. Very telling indeed.
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"The old testament didn’t work because God gave the people free will, and the people fucked it up, and instead of sending everyone to hell, he invented a more failsafe (sic) version for us."
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Oh brother... You don't get it do you? If God has the following attributes: omnipotence, omniscience,benevolence, transcendence, then why does he need to have a "relationship" with us?
Let me break it down for you.
omnipotent |ämˈnipətənt|
adjective
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
• having ultimate power and influence : an omnipotent sovereign.
omniscient |ämˈni sh ənt|
adjective
knowing everything : the story is told by an omniscient narrator.
benevolent |bəˈnevələnt|
adjective
well meaning and kindly : a benevolent smile.
• (of an organization) serving a charitable rather than a profit-making purpose : a benevolent fund.
transcendent |tranˈsendənt|
adjective
beyond or above the range of normal or merely physical human experience : the search for a transcendent level of knowledge.
• surpassing the ordinary; exceptional : the conductor was described as a “transcendent genius.”
• (of God) existing apart from and not subject to the limitations of the material universe. Often contrasted with immanent .
If god fits these definitions, If he is willing to let millions starve, and refuses to do anything about it, he is not benevolent, if he can't do anything about it, he is not omnipotent.
If he is all knowing, then he should have seen that humans would "fuck up" the old covenant. And created the new one in the first place.
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"It’s almost unfortunate I won’t be able to enjoy watching you burn in hell tattoo, you’re biased, ignorant, foolish, and incapable of thinking, oh wait, I just described the average atheist."
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That's quite a statement. You're not biased? You are the one believing in a text written during the bronze age, not me. I would call that foolish. Incapable of thinking? This one takes
Cont...the cake. You are the one who's written things like this:
"about slavery and women, I'll answer that later, because I don't know yet."
(Something you still haven't addressed)
Aren't you capable of deciding for yourself whether or not slavery and ill treatment of women and childeren is wrong?
You are a social retard that has very little knowledge of his own religion and obviously little outside of that. Stop before you make a better fool of yourself. Unless you have something to too discuss in a rational and civil way, move along. Save the insults for someone else, let's say like your mother....
"There's evil in this world because of Satan. Satan was originally an angel, which is why he has so much power. But he turned on God, and was thrown out of heaven, which is why he's being a nuisance on earth. This must sound like a fairy tale to you, maybe that's because Satan's fucking with you, it's unwise to not consider that possibility."
That's because it is a fucking fairy tale! Listen to yourself! If god threw Satan out of heaven, then why is he in cahoots with him by sending his "children" to this evil bastard, when they misbehave?
Seems to me that a benevolent god wouldn't need to punish anyone, especially by sending them to his enemy!
truth speaker said:
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’t know exactly how long the NT took, it was close to a hundred years, because people take time to write, and Jesus told revealed the new covenant before he went back to heaven, so there was no hurry really. It was in greek maybe because greek was a widely spoken language at that time.
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How about you do a little study on your own religion here buddy. It might enlighten you.
l “truth Speaker” I am dreadfully sorry I was totally mistaken I really thought you were capable of a discussion but I know see you are not. Not only that you have no manners. You come uninvited to a person’s virtual home and are downright bloody rude. How would you like some3 one to go to your private space and defecate on your floor? This is what you are doing here. You are gaining no respect for yourself and proving to us all our opinion of the average christian. With your obvious ignorance of your imaginary friend and total rejection of modern knowledge.
If you bothered to research you can easily find the word hell is only an archaic spelling of hole.
With apology to the Vamp for the profanity
Your god is a sadistic twisted bastard
The holy ghost is a cunt
And jesus was a cocksucker
Not because I think they exist, purely because it will fuck you off.
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