I banned Ridor from my blog once. 
Hmmmm Patrick. I think that means Ridor wins. 
I'm assuming you yourself have never banned anyone DL.
But let's please allow for the possibility that people get banned not because they're right or the other person can't take it, but because the ban-ee may have been acting like an asshole.
I debated you in the Ace of Spades comment thread that got you axed. That wasn't the reason you were banned.
You were trolling hard core =)
Oh Chad - Who's not an asshole on the web? Please. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I've only banned the following:
1) People who banned me.
2) Spammers.
Otherwise - None. And see if you can find one. You won't. And trust me - almost all of my commenters have made very offensive comments at one time or another and I love them for that.
If a post is really over the line, I will delete that one comment and e-mail the commenter about why I removed it.
Robbie - Why don't you find the post and let the commenters decide? I think they'd clearly side with me.
Calling someone an anti-gay bigot after they use terms like fudgepacker, homo, and faggot does not a "troll" make.
Sorry.
Besides - I've often found that anyone who calls someone a "troll" simply means that they don't have the intellectual capacity to debate the other person so they resort to name-calling.
If there ever was a self-loathing, closeted gay guy - it's Ace.
So let's say someone constantly comments on my site by posting nothing but name-calling and vitriol. The debate isn't being furthered at all, and I'm not going to sit there and delete each of their meaningless posts one by one. So I ban that person.
I'm in the wrong because I don't want to bother with someone who brings nothing to the table?
That person "wins" because they argue at a 5th grade level?
C'mon.... There are some people out there that get banned for legitimate reasons. I'm sorry, but you have to allow for that.
I'm still looking for the thread that got you banned, but the comments in this one aren't exactly intellectual debate =)
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/071416.php
Hmmmm Patrick. I think that means Ridor wins
Your logic is as air tight as your statistics.
Downtown Lad, I've had some people email me, requesting that I ban you (and no, it's not Jeff). But I tell them to buzz off. Even the really asinine, frustrating ones, like "Teddy Piggy" (who really has terrible manners) aren't banned from Conjecturer.
I got into a huge argument over banning commenters with Bill from INDC. Needless to say, I think I won the argument:
http://www.conjecturer.com/weblo...ndex.php?
p=1437
Here you are trolling the hell out of Alarming News:
http://www.alarmingnews.com/arch...ves/
002855.html
I can't find the thread on Ace that actually got you banned. He may have scrubbed whatever you said just before he did it. However, just going through various archives and comments of different sites, you've been very, very antagonistic in the places you've been banned.
This isn't "They just couldn't take my measured, reasoned debate, so they banned me." You gave as good as you got when it comes to language and inflammatory ad hominems. It seems, eventually, they got tired of listening to you and gave you the axe.
I think you're rewriting history a lil bit here, guy. Either that, or you don't realize how antagonistic you were being.
DL, I got banned by two: FagOrbit and FagPatriot.
Because I made fun of Bruce Carroll (he's so eww!) and he once accused me of stalking. In fact, he wrote that he "called" the cops on me and that I was following him around -- at that time, I had no idea who he is nor knew where he lived. I fought back on this subject, he clamped me off. But in fact, since I moved to a new place and reserved the new IP address, I can just do it all over again. Or I can go to the library and fire off on every terminal -- making them trying to block EVERYWHERE ELSE.
Patrick, did not realize you blocked me in the first place. But know what? I care less. It implied that you're a sore loser.
Chad, you're bitter queen. Get the fuck out of kitchen like DL said.
Robbie, your points are not good enough.
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As for FagOrbit, Michael Demmons is one big bitter queen -- that's why his ex dumped him. LOL.
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DL - Am I to assume that words like fag, faggot, and other gay slurs are A-OK as long as the person saying them is on your side?
Chad - Who said fag, and faggot are ok? They are slurs. If Ridor is using them, he is trying to slur the other person. Sometimes his slurs are justified sometimes they are not. I happen to be a big fan of Gayorbit and Michael Demmons myself. Ridor is not. So what? I'm certainly not going to ban him because I disagree with him. Ridor makes my comments session vastly more interesting and fun. I highly doubt Patrick would post here if he didn't have Ridor to pick a fight with.
Robbie - I've read the Alarming News thread. I don't see anything wrong with what I've said. But again - people who have very little faith in their own opinions - yeah I can see how they'd be afraid to argue with me. Like I said - if they can't stand the fire....
Let's face it - if you're arguing politics sometimes things can get a little heated. People take themselves so seriously. They need to get a life.
Ridor - I welcome Chad here like everyone else.
Chad - I don't see many people commenting on your site. People don't like to read comments sections if they are boring. But if you let people fight with each other - they keep coming back. And even with all the vitriolic comments, you end up with an interesting discussion in between.
Unless you want your comments section to be full of people who parrot each other's opinions.
Then you'll end up with a boring site like Ace of Spades.
Here's how the comments section on Ace of Spades works.
1) Bush is awesome!!!
2) No - Bush is God!!!
3) Democrats suck ass!
4) No Democrats are fudgepackers!
5) Bush Rules!
Boring.
When is a slur justified? And who determines whether it's justified or not?
I'm just trying to understand what I see to be a double standard. You berate some people (such as those on Ace's site) when they use gay slurs, yet are appear to give others such as Ridor a pass because, well... sometimes the slur is "justified".
By berating people on Ace's site for the use of the word "fag", I'm just expressing my point of view. People are perfectly willing to argue the counterpoint that it was justified.
If you think Ridor's use of the word "fag" is wrong, then feel free to argue the point with him.
This is Ace's policy: People are free to use the word "fag", "fudgepacker", "homo", etc. with reckless abandon. He NEVER bans those people (and I don't think he should). But if you object to the use of those words, then you are banned from his site. That's a messed up double-standard if you ask me, and speaks a lot to Ace's closeted self-hatred.
I don't ban people for using those words, but if I feel they are being used in an anti-gay manner, then I am going to call that person an anti-gay bigot. What's wrong with that? Since Ridor is gay, I don't think those words are being used in an anti-gay manner. They are just being used in an insulting manner.
Good for you for exposing them .
Eh, I think you can be a confrontational prick sometimes, but I actually enjoy watching it.
Every blog needs their troll, to keep them honest. Mine is this guy O'dell that I used to work with.
Exactly my point. It doesn't matter to you that the word was said. Only that it was used in a pre-conceived anti-gay way.
Using slurs is defined as "To talk about disparagingly or insultingly."
So you're saying it's possible to use a slur like "fag" and it can be either an anti-gay remark or just a little insulting, depending on the sexuality of the person saying it?
A slur is a slur. "Fag" and "Faggot" are are derogatory terms used to insult gay people, regardless of who says it.
But when people you don't like say it, they're anti-gay. When Ridor says it, he's just being insulting in a gay-friendly type of way.
Ok, Ok. I admit it. I'm a confrontational prick.
Chad - You make a valid point. So if you want to call Ridor anti-gay, feel free. I certainly won't ban you for it!!!!
I highly doubt Ridor is anti-gay. He is anti-me though. And while I'm not sure exactly what I did to offend him besides date a friend of his and have opinions and beliefs that differ from his own, he has that right.
I'm just waiting for the day where he can debate me without resorting to the dismissive name calling.
Chad, I dare you to do that, you faggot prick.
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You dated a friend of his?????
Ridor - I think we need to tone down the insults (just a little....)
The only blog that I know of that I have been banned from was also been a conservative blog (thread: Safety for Dummies) and it was because I was intellectually kicking the owners ass in an argument about same sex marriage. He accused me of "lies, innuendo, and hate" yet when I asked him what my lie was and where I expressed hate I got no response.
Thank you Ridor for proving my point. And yes DL, I did. Obviously not knowing that in doing so, I was inviting this lovely human being into my life.
Had I but known....
The worst I had was Free Republic. Someone literally asked "Are you gay?". I was banned within two minutes of replying "yes".
I hope the guy was hot at least.
DL- It's not a fear of debate on their parts. That's unsubstantiated ego to believe it. It's simply a matter of personalities that don't get on particularly well. I allow friends into my home who have vastly different beliefs than I do. We can debate. However, the second it reaches the point where it's unpleasant, unproductive, and irritating, that's the end of their visits. If they come a knockin' and I immediately react "Oh Christ, I'm really just tired of dealing with this bs," I'm not going to let them in.
This is why I don't go over to DU to debate. I know I won't get on with the people there, that I'm begging for an argument that would rapidly devolve into invective. I am very hostile to their viewpoints and disposition, and they're hostile to mine. Why waste my time and theirs' by seeking out trouble when the ending is a foregone conclusion? It wouldn't be terribly mature.
As far as fag, I'd never put up with that kind of language from my friends. It's not amusing or productive to debate. You, DL, of all people - who is so sensitive to the implications and effects of that language - should be one of the most aggressive in discouraging its use.
Sure, we gay men use it among ourselves jokingly in an attempt to defuse it of its stigma, to rob it of its power. Ridor's using it out of pure malice, with an abusive and disparaging intent, infusing that word with the very hate we claim to abhor.
Letting it go with an indulgent smile when that kind of awful blackness is directed at another homosexual is really, really off, IMO.
He was. A really good guy too. And even though our views on most things were polar opposites, I don't regret any time spent with him.
Even had I known before hand that the unwanted baggage of Ridor would come with the package, I still would've dated him.
Ridor doesn't use those terms with his friends. He uses them to insult and to offend his enemies.
That's why I don't take offense when he uses those words. Because his aim is to insult people and they are having the intended effect. The person is free to insult Ridor back all they want. Honestly - those back and forth usually don't last more than a few comments anyway.
I don't abhor these words much anyway. But if someone uses them to malign ALL gay people, and not just one individual, then I'll call them an anti-gay bigot. And trust me, they get way more offended by being called a bigot than I do in being called a fag. I have pretty thick skin.
As for the sites I've mentioned - when is the last time they've banned someone for bad behavior whom they actually AGREED with politcally? I say never. Which proves my point in that people use banning as a way of silencing those they disagree with. And they'll use whatever minor point they can to do so. Someone like Ace does simply not have the intellectual capacity to debate someone of my intelligence.
Ridor might offend and insult once in a while (ok - a lot). But he also adds a great amount to the intellectual debate on many occasions. And I don't care if I disagree with him on 80% of the issues. He's a deaf, gay person that brings a vastly different perspective to the table - that I can't offer myself.
So you're only an anti-gay bigot if you malign ALL gay people.
If you malign one or two gay people, you get a pass from DL.
Got it.
So a straight guy who hurls gay slurs at a guy walking out of XL, is just fine with you. Not a bigot at all. After all, it's just one gay guy, not the entire homosexual population he's talking to.
I guess the two guys that beat up a friend of mine from high school a couple weeks ago as he was leaving Monster weren't bigots either. I mean, they only broke his jaw and right eye socket.
Chad - I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.
If I'm debating with someone and they're getting pissed at me, I'm much less offended if they call me a fag, then if they are to make sweeping anti-gay statements about every gay person. Like I said, I have a thick skin. And I'm happy to return the taunt by calling them an anti-gay bigot. Now how is that giving them a pass?
That's exactly what I did on Ace of Spades, and it is what got me banned. And I was responding to people who were maligning ALL gay people. But the guy who said that gays are pedophiles is still there by the way.
Now you can try to extrapolate that to condoning gay bashing, but you would be mistaken.
Nobody is quicker to attack an anti-gay bigot than me.
I'm asking how one is an anti-gay bigot only if they smear ALL gays.
Yet Ridor uses the same terminology they do to attack just one person, and you give him an wink and a smile.
Are they not a bigot if they direct their attack at you because you happen to have "thick skin"?
I don't think they are anti-gay bigots ONLY if they attack all gays. But it's people who make broad sweeping statements, that are DEFINITELY anti-gay bigots.
Others might just be pissed at the person, and they resort to personal smears. So if someone calls me a fag, that doesn't necessarilly make them an anti-gay bigot. They just might hate me in particular, and had I not been gay, they would have called me some other smear (kike perhaps...).
And since I know Ridor is gay, I know very well that he just dislikes that person, and not the gay community at large. So I'm not bothered by that.
It's no different than a black person using the N* word. When they use it, it might be offensive, but it doesn't make them racist.
Chad, I dare you to do that, you faggot prick.
Ridor, you're a horrible person. What a miserable life you must have. To be so dark and dead and hateful must weigh horribly on your psyche. You're not "misunderstood" or "unappreciated" or "getting revenge on all the meanies who ever hurt you." I do not understand why DL, who apparently hates name calling, allows you the freedom to use his blog to spew your venom. (The smiley-faced warning in this comment thread notwithstanding.)
DL, maybe you can answer. Why do you let Ridor get away with being such an insufferable jerk? How is anyone supposed to have any sort of conversation here when Ridor pops in to offer nothing substantive to the discussion? He steps in and flings his shit like a monkey. He is personally offensive to me. It would be one thing is he was merely disagreeing and debating. However, he doesn't do that. He childishly calls people names, makes assumptions about the sort of people they are, their life experiences, and beliefs. When someone disagrees with him or challenges him he allows the boiling cauldron of self-pity, anger, and hatred that he nurses and feeds on to overflow into your comments. Yet, you encourage him. Why?
This blog would be so boring without him.
But I'll also add that it would be boring without Patrick as well!
What does that say about your blog, DL?
Good to see you have standards though. Fucked up though they may be.
But Patrick - to be honest - I have removed some comments that Ridor has entered that were over the line. You can ask him.
The one above by him was close, but I think it's important context for this particular thread.
But I don't care if someone has one or two offensive posts if they have eight or nine good ones.
Boring? Look, he can be "interesting" without being an asshole, so why not rein him in? Set some standards of behavior. Honestly, he takes all the fun out of visiting your blog; mostly because he doesn't even insert intelligent comments in among assholery.
I don't like to censor people. Unless they've banned me of course, then I censor away.
But Ridor - Patrick makes a valid point. Maybe we should hold off on the name calling for a while.
Patrick, you little tw -- okay, I'll tone it down if you tone down your bullshit rhetoric about how good Xians and Conservatives are to this country.
DL, it is true that I was horrified beyond repulsion that my good friend whom I flew to Las Vegas and Vermont with was dating Chad. In fact, when Chris showed me the pic of this Chad -- I leaped off the chair and said, "You DID NOT!!"
I think what really pissed me off the most is that people like ND30, Chad and Patrick allowed FagPatriot to spew some false stories about me and when I attempted to defend myself, FagPatriot deleted my comments and blocked me.
FagPatriot apparently is allowed to speak many untrue stories. That's why I disliked him with contempt.
Patrick, you're very boring. When I stand up and bash back at your illogic comments, you are so quick to assume that I'm bitter, angry and full of hate. It is hysterical. If you bother to email me once ina while like DL did, you'll see that I'm not that bad.
I think what helped the most is that I was able to clarify things to DL in private. He knew where I stand -- when I say "fag" to gay guys, it is more of provoking them to react.
I thrive on shock values. Looking at my grandmother who is also Deaf, she attempted to educate hearing people what to do with Deaf people -- she was patient 'til her death. What did it gets her in return? Nothing.
So fuck it all. I preferred the different approach -- by attacking up front and bash in your face. if you cannot handle it, like DL said, get the hell out of kitchen.
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Good post Ridor. But I don't see why Patrick is not allowed to stand up for Christians and conservatives. He doesn't have to tone it done. You can disagree with him and tell him why you think he's wrong, but I think all he wants is a straightforward discussion rather than name-calling.
If you're going to Christian bash (and hey, I admit, I've done it too) then they should be allowed to Christian praise.
Ridor - I'm still at a loss here. You blame me and others for "allowing" Bruce to badmouth you. I can't speak for Patrick or ND30, but:
A.) If I was blogging at the time (which I doubt I was) or even reading GayPatriot, I didn't see anything about you.
B.) Not knowing you OR Bruce, how would I know who was the one lying?
C.) Even if I had known you, why would it be my job to come to your defense?
You've proven time and again that you're fully capable of standing up for yourself.
Personally, I think you need to figure out a way to get some closure on this issue with GayPatriot. It manages to work itself into every "conversation" I have ever seen from you. If you want to hate him, hate him.
But for the love... move on.
Please.
As for your "shock therapy", if that's your MO, great. But don't expect people to respond to it the way you want them to. You would've had a much better chance getting me to change my opinions and/or views had you taken a more civilized route.
(Ya' know... one that doesn't involve wishing HIV on me or telling me to go suck a diseased cock in the park.)
DL, the truth is that I do enjoy reading Patrick's postings. I do. Like Jeff told me, "Some people are so funny and the best part is that they do not think they said things so funny!"
Chad, blaming is wrong word -- actually, ND30 and Patrick were there, you was not there. But anyone with common sense would read a blog -- if they liked it, they read archives -- somewhere down the road, it was noted that Bruce attacked me and nobody defended me. When I lashed back at the lies he produced, people backed him. That was huge turn off.
The whole point is that there is no dignity in the blogosphere where one knew one is wrong, but they ignored it nevertheless. I do not forget offensive things that he did -- people who praised FagPatriot and FagOrbit turned me off big time.
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I'll admit that I did not care being called "inferior", "stupid" and "less intelligent" simply because I am from Texas -- on your blog. But I never considered banning. This forum is for opinions and one is welcome to have any opinion. Just because I don't agree with it should not matter. If I can't be open-minded enough to allow another opinion, I might as well become a Christian.
Good topic. Hell, look at all the comments. Keep it up DL.
ND30 and Patrick were there
I have no idea what you are talking about. However, I do recall a comment on ND30's blog in which you stated that he was ugly, which was a mean thing to do.
Ridor - Even if I had the time to go back and scour the archives at GP, let's not forget that I didn't even know you until a few months ago. Even if I had come across the post about you, I wouldn't have known who this Ridor was that they were banning.
And honestly, I've never "praised" GP. I read the site because I share their views. I'm a conservative. I will comment on the site when I feel I have something to add. That doesn't constitute praise. I'm certainly not praising DL by reading and posting comments here. I'm only here to see what goes through the mind of a self-proclaimed libertarian and to throw in my two cents when I feel it necessary.
The only person I've openly praised, whether through posts on my blogs, or emails to other bloggers, was Robbie - solely because I liked his writing style.
And because Robbie posts awesome pics of hot guys.
Although Bentblog wins hands down in that category.
Yup - And Dave/Higher Powered has slammed me on his blog when I pissed him off.
As is his right I might add. More power to him.
I don't know. The Cutie Pie Posts are borderline porn.
... Speaking of which.
You think just because you have 54 damn comments on this post that you can slack off and not post anything new today? Foiler!
Ha ha. I'm posting now.
Patrick, you said that I was cruel and mean for saying that ND30 is ugly.
Boo hoo, I'm out of shape. Many gay conservatives made fun of my appearances when I nailed on their points. One even said, "you re deaf! Why am I even talking to you?! I cannot hear you!"
Was that cruel and nasty? It is.
I reserve the right to fire back and say what I think of your appearances. If you knew me in person, I rarely do that unless I was offended.
And yes, ND30 is so ewwww!
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Was that cruel and nasty?
Yes. VERY cruel and nasty. Not necessary. Hurtful. I figure we gay guys have enough shit to get over that we don't need to make things more difficult for each other.
I promise you would have nothing bad to say about my appearance.
I dont get the last sentence. Care to elaborate?
I agreed with you that it was not necessary and that it was hurtful but it happened to me not only once but several times especially in the blogosphere.
And when I waited for someone to drop in and say that it's not nice. There was none.
It was a cue for me to fire back.
C'est la vie.
DL, I'll be in New York this weekend to pay respect for my friend's death -- she died waiting for the insurance to be approved before she could undergo the tests to find what is wrong with her.
Whatever happened to the concept of hospital being a hospital to help people?
Now these days, they required cash or you die.
And my friend died. That is American capitalism.
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I should mention that it was 'hearie American capitalism', bastards. Why do you think I dont trust hearies? Just look at Sarah.
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Did they ever find out exactly what happened?
Yes, they found out it was embolism caused by a clot in her leg -- it took them TWO weeks NOT to find it. I find it absurd.
She had to wait for the insurance to be approved then search, then ruled out then transferred to another hospital then searched ... boom, she died. How nice is that?
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Oh! Look Downtown Lad, Ace of Spades is reading Tammy Bruces new book "The New American Revolution" - how utterly homophobic of him!
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