Don't know about the relocation or the career move, but let me give you some advice on the subject of women. My old grandpappy gave me two pearls of wisdom that I have carried with me through life. The first nugget was "A fat woman's got a pussy, but a skinny woman's ALL pussy!". The second, he told me, to ALWAYS remember in my dealings with the fairer sex. "Remember three little words", old grandpappy said, "and they'll never get you down. "Cunt are inferior." Now let me go back and do a silent but deadly by the old bag's face.
"Danny has a plan"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
hahahaha. I saw that too. So far it seems rather rumsfeld-ian. We are officially in the era of disjointed incrementalism.
On draft night we need to compare how Minnesota and the Celtics end up, realizing that if we like what happened to the TWolves better than what happened to us, it's our own damn fault. Or should I say Coc's and Scalaburine's.
There's some argument over on Celticsblog about big white stiffs. Heck, I see one every morning when I wake up and take a leak.
hahahaha. I've got to go beat my Scalabrine.
Iverson? Is this some kind of fucking joke?
Iverson would be an upgrade over our current PG. In fact, I see us getting Iverson, Webber, KG and keeping Pierce. Oh wait. No I don't.
Dr, where's the relocation to? Some place warm that doesn't rain everyday?
yeah, it was sucky weekend. I had Lynch-ian nightmares that my car was submerged in water while I was forced to eat fine pastries served by dog-skinned dwarf-monsters... anyway, I may be switching coasts, but it's all still in the negotiating phase.
I like Iverson, obviously, he's one of the top 50 ever, but him and Pierce on the same team is tough to imagine. Also, isn't Wyc obsessed with acquiring docile "good citizens" who won't scare away the delicate white Boston fanbase?
The new mocks that have Morrison going #1 are interesting, particularly if the maybe/maybe not Atlanta promise to S.Williams is discounted. That pretty much leaves us fucked, picking from M. Williams, O'Bryant and pick du jour Ronnie Brewer. #6, of course, which would could have had, would allow us a chance at Gay OR Barganini, OR Roy. Well done Doc, well done...
I agree with you, Doctor. Everyone seems to be fine with pick #7, but the fact is the #6 pick was there for the tanking. All this talk about who might slide would be moot, and I think we'd be in better position if we wanted to make a deal. I hope I'm wrong, but I thing by winning that last game we will get tittyfucked.
Does each draftnik put out 10 mock drafts of varous combinations so they can say "look I was right..."
ha! yeah, it seems that way. Now Ford is saying we're going to pick Cedric Simmons.
So it looks like the Atlanta promise to Sheldon Williams is actually a trade w/Houston where Atlanta picks Roy and ships him up to Houston for (CelticsDoom all-name 1st team-er) Luther Head and the #8 pick. Thus, no sliders, if this is true. I find it amazingly apropos that we're holding the 7th pick in a six deep draft. Fucking incredible.
Can't wait to see what's behind door #2.
Door number two = Scalabrine/Raef/Wally/Dickau.
I think it's even better that people heralded the Wally/Ricky trade yet both teams ended up with same damn record (a shitty one at that). It's kind of like re-arranging deck chairs on the titanic.
Iverson on the other hand gives us a unique dynamic. He has developed himself into quite the passer, which would give Pierce his share of shots. They'd put up big numbers, but likely wouldn't play much defense, and may not co-exist well. It essentially would be a better version of Ricky Davis. However, it gets us more wins. Still draft bound? Yes. Sells more tickets? Yes.
You can't really go wrong trading away any of our veterans. The only legit shot to win a championship is to keep the young core together and go for it in three or four years. Sort of like the Pistons. Pierce and any available veterans won't do it. Not now, not ever. Unless he goes to another team for less dough (see Gary Payton), he ain't wearing a ring.
I agree, but an AI trade has got to include at very least Gerald Green, if not West and/or Perk. Those are the three young players I would vote as untradeable at this point.
this is really fucking weird. I just find it hard to believe that Philly would move AI for Wally. There must be other teams or maybe the whole thing isn't true...
plus, the idea of Coc coaching AI is insane. This is a guy who couldn't handle Mark Blount.
The funniest thing I've read all year, from the Celtics official site -"Therefore, it is necessary that these women not only be fit, glamorous and excellent dancers, but also intelligent and well rounded so that they can exemplify the class and dignity of the Boston Celtics when interacting with fans in the community."
My wife's well rounded, all right... like the fucking planet Jupiter.
You know, even a West/Szczbrk trade for AI isn't too bad. AI more than makes up for West's shooting and passing, an Wally's points. His contract is shorter, and it will draw more fans. I am on board with this thing.
Although I still support trading Paul for Paul. The older SG for the younger PG. Yet that's not really a likely scenario.
yeah, no way NO/KC parts with CP.
I don't like the idea of an Iverson trade, just because I don't see how he and Pierce could co-exist. They're among the top ten ball-hogs in the game, and I think it would just get ugly quick. A KG for AJ/GG/this year's pick, next year's pick and other stuff would be tempting, but I wonder if that's really the best McHale could get for him. Of those other all-stars listed as Danny targets, my head just spins. We don't need an all-star to make Pierce feel less embarassed about being a Celtic, we need a good point guard, a good coach, and time. The grip that this dude (Pierce) has on the franchise via Wyc's crush on him is ridiculous.
I never got that either, Pierce is good, but what has he really done on his own?
I realize that one guy can't win you a championship, but LeBron got his team DEEP into the playoffs. One more win against Motown and who knows what might have happened. Now it gets tricky, Wade did wonders with the Heat, but the rest of the cast needs some credit too. Kobe willed the Lakers in (as that pains me to say), etc...
Pierce isn't in that class. Regardless of what the stats say, the placement doesn't lie. One guy can get you into the playoffs, he just isn't currently on the Celtics roster. If we can't trade for him, I wouldn't give up Green or Jefferson. Keep them, let them develop and play with a cohesive 7 man core. That's what Detroit does and it works for them...
Think about the East next year. The Cavs will be as good if not better. Detroit will work a bit harder. Miami isn't going to get weaker. The Bucs could be real scary, Chicago is going to be stronger, Toronto will get more wins and the Knicks HAVE to improve. Indy could go either way, NJ surprised me this year - so who knows. The reality is there just aren't enough wins to go around. If you aren't going to really take control of a game like Kobe or LeBron, than you can't win it alone. Pierce doesn't have enough to do it.
yeah exactly, and it's a perfect year to get bad in because the draft is deep and like you say, a few teams are on the rise. Pierce is okay, but not a true franchise or impact player. If you sell the farm for KG and team them up, even I would admit they might have a decent shot at being in the top 4 teams in the east. But you still need a strong willed point guard and more all-around toughness to get over the top.
To make a quick point that I will probably beat to death in the coming weeks: Chicago has no veterans in their lineup. They are a playoff team comprised primarily of lottery picks. While they are still far from contending for the title, they are most definitely on the upswing and have to be considered the team in best shape to be good three years from now. That is the model that I wish the Celtics would embrace. Like you say about the Pistons, a 7 deep cohesive team concept, and in this case, all raised together under the same roof in the NBA. After three or four years of developing your core from LOTTERY picks (not late first rounders), then you can legitimately present yourself as "a player away."
so Danny is theoretically willing to trade #7 and Dickau for Telfair, but not #7 for Duhon and #16. That's fucking nuts. And what about the "veteran all-stars"? Fucking Wally Szczerbiak is a veteran all-star too Danny! I'm getting a fucking headache reading all this shit.
I'm all for letting young guys play next year and having a record that gets us a low draft pick, but somehow Coc and Scalaburine would fuck that up.
They brough in Wally to 'space the floor for Paul' now they're trying to dump him because he's got bad wheels and bring in a guy that uses up over 70% of a teams possesions.
Ainge is all over the place.
Dealing Green and Jefferson for Iverson could be an Isiah Thomas like disaster.
thanks for putting it so well Willie, I couldn't agree more. I am really fucking aghast. I mean, it makes no sense. Iverson and Pierce could not co-exist. They both need the ball all the time to be effective. Also, Iverson will be making $21 million when he's 34 years old. And seriously, the Doc factor. He couldn't handle Ricky Davis, how can he manage a guy who Larry Brown could barely control? Wasn't this all about character and chemistry and all that shit? WTF?!!!
Also, PO and I are hearing from slightly unreliable sources that it might not include Wally, and that it might be Green/AJ/#7 and a future pick with Raef. And like we get #13 this year. And then they move Wally for something else, I guess, is the reasoning. If this is the case (which it very well may NOT be), hate to say it, but it's going to happen. But I have to think Philly wants an NBA ready scorer to go with the deal, so in that case it must be Wally. This is fucked up beyond belief that we're even talking about it, but after Antoine II, nothing should surprise us.
Don't forget Vin Baker, Scalaburine, Dickau, et. al. In fact, based on the Scalaburine model, pick the guy with the littlest titties.
Shane Battier's available, supposedly. That's a player I'd trade for. Wally for Battier and flip the picks if you have to.
How fucking apoplectic are we all going to be if Roy slides to us and we trade him to Philly? I really think if the Iverson trade happens that Ainge is gone before the season. Everything seems to point to this being a cheesy Wyc idea.
Definitely an ownership idea. Ticket sales are WAY down and they might be looking at a loss. If they trade for Iverson they'd pack the joint even if they were just over .500.
I don't think Ainge and Doc will ever work again in the NBA unless it's paired up with Ed Breen.
yeah, absolutely. Danny is an infinite punchline and in a just society would be asked to commit ritual suicide to atone for the past three years. The only question now is how long little Wyc will play basketball owner before he gets tired of it, and then sells the team to some other consortium of trustfunders and diletantes.
I'm going to try to be near a computer tonight for some immediate reaction to the draft pick, but if not, hopefully there'll be something up tomorrow early.
Ainge is on FSN, he just referred to Telfair as a "veteran," saying that he's a "veteran like we've been trying to aquire."
I like Telfair ALOT! His upside is huge and he is a serious upgrade over West (who I've never liked). The kid can't score that well, but his hops are tremendous. Couple that with him being 20 and one of the brightest spots on the point guard horizon and we have a serious contender for the future!
Whoohooo!!! Raef is gone!!!
Seriously, are the Blazers the worst organization in the history of sports or what? They took a crippled Raef for a million years and let go of one of their young and watchable players. What were they thinking? They could have got that #7 pick for Telfair and not needed to grab the big white stiff in the process. Gosh they are a bunch of bumbling idiots over there, destined to suck for a long long time still to come.
Gotta disagree RickyD. They got the best player in the draft and a decent young big man (sorry, "big"). I'm writing something lengthier on it now, but I think this deal will haunt us. I like getting rid of Raef, if only because it'll force Coc not to play him, and now maybe whatever players we have left after the Iverson deal will get a chance to play. Overall though, I feel sick. I think we're heading for some very bad times as an organization. Unless Telfair turns into Chris Paul, we're in deep shit.
I agree, Doctor Chestnutt, and last night the battle ax paid for Ainge's mistakes. I made here a Dutch oven she'll never forget.
I see your point, but we wouldn't have got the big man anyway. It looked like it was Roy for us, I don't really know what he brings that we don't have. Telfair is definite upgrade over Dan "I hurt my" Dickau, and Raef is so fragile. Ratliff's deal is shorter, and that will let us resign guys like Gerald Green (who I still think can be a superstar).
The one glaring problem I still see is coaching. We have a VERY young team, and Telfair gets us younger. They need playing time, hard coaching and direction. I fear that Doc can't give it to them. We need a coach that is better suited to groom these players into champions, not Shawn Kemps.
At this stage it could go either way. With 2-3 years of learning and playing, a unit led by Telfair, with Green, Jefferson, West, Perk, Gomes, whomever we get for Pierce, and our superstar Brian Scalabrine, could seriously contend with the elite teams. If these kids get shipped around, don't get the proper coaching, learning and leadership than they are all going to be junk and this team (the Ainge vision) fails. We are either three years away from a multiyear championship run or from the first overall pick in the draft.
I guess the way I see it is that Tony Allen sucks, so why not replace him with Foye or Roy? You know, increase yr talent level slowly and find the players that will help you in a more organic way. With Telfair, we're still not going to compete, and although I value your assesment of him very much, I still think he's at best 50/50. As for getting Rondo, we basically wasted a #1 in the deepest draft ever (next year) because Coc couldn't coach Marcus Banks, who Rondo won't even be as "good" as.
Also, these moves only make sense if there's an Iverson trade, and that alone should be very depressing. Acquiring Iverson means the end of developing our players. How can Green develop (assuming we don't trade him) on a team where Pierce and AI take 60 shots a game? Also, AI plays like EVERY minute of the game. Anyone playing behind him (Telfair, West, Rondo, whichever is still there) isn't even going to play.
The bottom line to me is that Rondo is Orien Greene with better pedigree, Telfair is Banks with better vision but just as selfish and unable to defend. A backcourt of Brandon R.O.Y or Foye and Marcus Williams could legitmately develop into a starting tandem on a winning team. I cannot imagine the players we've aquired will ever be able to make the same claim.
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